Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Guy Incognito


scorecard by GUY INCOGNITO
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JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
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111
VIKTOR POSTOL
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117

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Guy Incognito's picture

Viktor Postol dominated the start and finish, but Ramirez got the hometown decision. Disgraceful robbery.

Champion97's picture

Posting here to avoid clogging the Ramirez vs Postol fight page.

Champion97: I didn't say you weren't stupid

Also Champion97 in the very same comment: you idiot

And I have already made numerous boxing analyses on here. You even replied to some of them.'

What should Joshua's game plan be against Pulev do you think?

Guy Incognito's picture

I don't think Kubrat Pulev has much of a chance. He barely beat Hughie Fury, and he isn't getting much younger. Anthony Joshua should win fairly convincingly, and he needs to as well, so that he can prove he has recovered from his fights with Ruiz Jr. If Joshua wants to win earlier on, he should try to use quick jabs like he did against Ruiz Jr in their second meeting. But Joshua needs to remember that Pulev still has a decent jab of his own. He also has fast hands and good stamina. Pulev's awkward style could do damage against Joshua if he lets the Bulgarian get too close. Andy Ruiz Jr. gave him the same problems. So he should fight Pulev in a relatively similar manner to how he fought Ruiz Jr. in the rematch. That was brilliant boxing from AJ, albeit a bit boring for the more bloodthirsty fans. He showed that he has improved his accuracy, movement and stamina. But I think he should try connecting more against Pulev, and use his jab to set up more powerful shots. Joshua is perfectly capable of scoring a knockout here, but he might need to take time to adjust to Pulev's style.

Champion97's picture

Fair play, I expected much less than that, and I can't say that's a bad break down.

I don't think Pulev will let Joshua find the opening for the right hand like Ruiz did, and I think he'll struggle to land that shot clean early even if he uses the jab to try to set it up. Good point about Pulev's counter jab and awkwardness, he doesn't look good when you watch him fight, but he's effective, makes the opponent look bad.

Joshua's problem against Ruiz was underestimating Ruiz's recovery, he got reckless because he thought Ruiz was going, Pulev is nowhere near as dangerous on the inside, nowhere near as good an overall offensive fighter, can't say he isn't capable of hurting Joshua, but he doesn't have to be as cautious against Pulev. I disagree that the game plan should be similar because Ruiz and Pulev have very different styles, I agree he should use the jab, but for a different purpose to the Ruiz fight, against Ruiz, the jab was to set up the right hand, and keep Ruiz on the outside, but against Pulev, he should use the jab to keep Pulev occupied, stop him getting into a rhythm, because if Joshua is busy and fast with the jab, and he's accurate with it, that takes more out of Pulev than him, Pulev hs a solid counter jab, hard enough to hurt Joshua I suppose, but Joshua should use feints, be unpredictable, he'll have the better reflexes, but Pulev is patient, is a veteran, timing beats speed, and the battle of the jabs will be interesting.

If the shot is there, he should take the opening, but I think he'll struggle with Pulev technically, and will take time before he lands the right hand. Joshua has to be patient when it comes to the right hand, because if he gets frustrated, Pulev can telegraph his power shots, make him miss, and that will take more out of Joshua than Pulev. I think Joshua should be heavier than against Ruiz because he won't need to move as much, and he should try to stop Pulev out hustling him, but he should be light enough that he can out work Pulev.

If Joshua lands the short right uppercut which was the beginning of the end for Klitschko, he knocks Pulev out cold, it's a great shot, he couldn't throw it oftne against Ruiz, but if he set get out of a clinch, just create enough distance to get the shot off, and land it when Pulev doesn't see it coming, Pulev is done, but even if Pulev is prepared for that shot, it will be interesting to see if Joshua can get his shots off and punch out of clinches when Pulev tries to smother his work. Joshua should go to the body at close range, he's not the best body puncher in the division, but he did good body work on the inside against Whyte.

Povetkin vs Whyte II is an interesting fight, what are your thoughts on that?

Guy Incognito's picture

It is hard to see what way Povetkin vs Whyte II goes. Povetkin nearly got knocked out last time, but as his fight with Price taught us, Povetkin likes returning the favour, just like Andy Ruiz Jr. I think Whyte will try to bully the smaller Povetkin like he did against Joseph Parker. But Povetkin could try knocking him out later on. Either Whyte wins a late decision, or Povetkin wins a late stoppage. I think a Whyte decision victory is more likely. This is one of those fights where no result would surprise me.

Champion97's picture

Yes, because we don't know what the KO took out of Whyte, if the end of this year is too soon, and if Povetkin can adapt to Whyte's adjustments, because Whyte will be wary of the shot that knocked him out.

There's common ground between the two of them in that they were both hurt, the opponent underestimated how fast they would recover, and they turned the tables, they are both short fighters who know how to make being short a problem for a taller opponent, especially Povetkin, it's an advantage to abnormally tall or short in boxing, because it makes you hard to prepare for, and Povetkin used his height to land at an angle which Whyte couldn't see it coming from, and Ruiz's left hook that hurt Joshua was thrown from below where he could see it coming.

I think that's a bad tactic, yes he's bigger and stronger than Povetkin, and if he could push Povetkin onto the back foot, he stops Povetkin implementing his game plan, but it's a very high risk strategy, because if Whyte does that, he makes himself more of a target, Povetkin is too experienced to just get pushed back, he makes adjustments with the feet, uses his offensive versatility not to let the opponent back him up.

The first time, I said the game plan for Whyte should be busy and fast with the jab, don't look for hard or perfectly timed jabs, don't throw the right hand often in the first half, throw it behind the jab when the target is there, be varied with the jab, aim for the forehead and the chin, so it's harder for Povetkin to get into a rhythm of slipping it. I said Whyte should use his feet, and change direction, doesn't have to be fast on his feet, just mobile, and if Whyte could do that, make Povetkin miss, hit him with clean jabs in high volume, make him drain his own legs by having to cut the distance because Whyte uses his movement, then Povetkin is bound to tire in the second half of the fight, and when he takes a step back, that's when Whyte should put more weight behind the right hand, follow it up with the left hook if he hurts Povetkin.

I don't think Whyte's game plan for the rematch should be much different, because he was doing so well, in the first 4 rounds, it was 1 big mistake he made, but I don't think he had a bad game plan overall.

I think awareness is key for Whyte, Povetkin is slow, has to be conservative with what he has in the tank, because he's old, so it isn't a case of Whyte knowing what Povetkin was doing but being physically unable to negate what Povetkin was doing, Povetkin's experience, being a step ahead, was what won him the first fight, he set Whyte up, and Whyte wasn't aware Povetkin was throwing the uppercut, Whyte could have got off the ropes, his jab is a big problem for Povetkin, but the set up from Povetkin was brilliant, the problem for Whyte being static is that he's in a position to be set up, he has to stay off the ropes, keep using his jab, not let Povetkin cut the distance, stay out of the pocket.

Povetkin winning a decision would surprise me, they can knock each other out, Whyte can out box Povetkin on the jab, but I think at Povetkin's age, with Whyte being as far ahead as he was the first time, and with it only being 1 mistake, I don't see Povetkin winning a decision.

Best discussion we've had I think you'll agree, always good to talk boxing. I'll ask another question, I look forward to seeing your response, but no rush.

What are your thoughts on Usyk vs Chisora?

Guy Incognito's picture

Another interesting matchup. Usyk is a talented fighter, but I still think he should have remained down at cruiserweight. He will probably drop back down eventually. I also like Chisora, who has only been beaten convincingly by top-level fighters like Tyson Fury, Vitali Klitschko, David Haye and Kubrat Pulev. He was robbed against Helenius, and his fights with Agit Kabayel and Dillian Whyte were very close. Chisora was impressive in his fight against David Price, but Usyk was not too impressive against Chazz Witherspoon. You could argue that it was just a tune-up fight for Usyk, but I am still not convinced that he can compete too well against top heavyweights. Chisora does not exactly have a height advantage against Usyk, despite being an actual heavyweight, but he is naturally heavier and stronger than Usyk. I don't think Usyk will be able to knock him out, and the most likely result is a narrow points victory for Chisora. But I could be wrong. I do not know as much about these two fighters.

Champion97's picture

I disagree he should have stayed at cruiser, and that he'll drop back down, I reckon he'll bulk up to 215, it would be hard to make 200 again. The reasons I disagree he should have stayed at cruiser are because Usyk is a big cruiserweight, smaller fighters have done well at heavyweight, Holyfield and Frazier are the best examples, but also because it was a risk worth taking, it's a chance to be a 2 weight champion, build a better legacy. There are much bigger fights at heavy for Usyk than cruiser, that's for sure.

I disagree he wasn't impressive because he lost a maximum of 1 round, it was his first significant fight at heavyweight, he got more dominant as the fight went on. Usyk has a lot to prove at heavyweight, but I don't see a reason to think he won't do well at heavyweight.

I don't know if you've heard of the WSB (World Series of Boxing). WSB in an international boxing tournament, they are 5 round fights, fighters get paid, but WSB aren't technically professional fights, basically semi-professional, the allow amateur fighters to make money while still competing as amateurs. Usyk had Heavyweight WSB fights, and won them all, so although he's relatively inexperienced at heavyweight, he isn't as inexperienced as he seems.

Size definitely favours Chisora not only because of his size but because he's a career heavyweight, has been 12 rounds at heavyweight many times, Usyk hasn't been 8 at heavyweight.

Provided Chisora isn't shot, Usyk is unlikely to hurt him with a single shot to the chin, but I think he will break Chisora down with accumulation, Chisora will be easy for Usyk to hit, and Usyk although he won't be able to throw quite as many shots as he did at cruiserweight, he will still have the far higher output than Chisora.

I think Chisora will give Usyk problems by using his strength, throwing shots to head and body, applying consistent pressure, and if he lands clean, he can hurt Usyk, but although his head movement is good, he will struggle to defend against Usyk, Usyk will still have fast feet if he hasn't bulked up to fast, I think Usyk will make Chisora miss, by using lateral movement and making Chisora miss, and Chisora will take clean combinations, so I think the fight will take more out of Chisora than Usyk. It's worth noting that because Usyk is the better technical fighter, he can nick rounds when the pace has dropped, but Chisora has to keep forcing the fight.

I think Usyk will get a late stoppage, it wouldn't surprise me if it went the distance, but I'd be very surprised if Chisora beat Usyk.

Guy Incognito's picture

It is hard to see what way Povetkin vs Whyte II goes. Povetkin nearly got knocked out last time, but as his fight with Price taught us, Povetkin likes returning the favour, just like Andy Ruiz Jr. I think Whyte will try to bully the smaller Povetkin like he did against Joseph Parker. But Povetkin could try knocking him out later on. Either Whyte wins a late decision, or Povetkin wins a late stoppage. I think a Whyte decision victory is more likely. This is one of those fights where no result would surprise me.