Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Josh Taylor

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Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Josh Taylor
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Date: 
Saturday, May 22, 2021
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
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Official Judging
Dave Moretti 112 - 114
Tim Cheatham 112 - 114
Steve Weisfeld 112 - 114

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Averaged Fan Card:

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Jose Carlos Ramirez
                                                                    
9.15
9.17
9.98
9.43
9.33
8
7.98
9
9.64
9.27
9.88
9.90
Josh Taylor
                                                                    
9.84
9.86
9.01
9.56
9.70
10
10
10
9.39
9.74
9.11
9.09


Fan Cards: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Josh Taylor


scorecard by ONLY1
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
9
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
114


scorecard by POWERPUNCHER999
Round
1
2
3
4
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9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
10
10
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
114


scorecard by AWAB22
Round
1
2
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4
5
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7
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9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117


scorecard by CAMMYM123
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
116


scorecard by TUXTUCIS
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
116


scorecard by MOEBALBAGHE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
10
10
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by PAPADIOSPULOS
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
9
109
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
10
117


scorecard by PRECISE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
10
10
10
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
115


scorecard by JAMEYRILEY1
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
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12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
9
10
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
115


scorecard by MUSHAVR96
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
10
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
114


scorecard by RAPID
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115


scorecard by AMATEURPEDIGREE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
10
10
9
8
8
9
9
10
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
114


scorecard by ZUTE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
9
10
9
8
8
9
10
10
9
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
9
115


scorecard by YTT
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
10
10
10
9
112
JOSH TAYLOR
9
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
114


scorecard by MRCHICKEN
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
109
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
10
9
9
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by ABURIUS
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by ALLYBLAACK
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
116


scorecard by MAGIC MAN
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by NF82
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
7
9
9
9
10
10
108
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117


scorecard by GOOSU
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by ARJ GUY
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by WILLY MAGNIN
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
10
10
10
113
JOSH TAYLOR
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
113


scorecard by BEAUNUITMEM
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
9
9
9
10
108
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
118


scorecard by MACCHIADEAN
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
10
9
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
9
116


scorecard by ZAC.RJ
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
10
10
9
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
116


scorecard by MONAGFAM
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
114


scorecard by TOMMY_GUN04
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by SONNY
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
116


scorecard by DEANISBLIND
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
9
9
9
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
116


scorecard by THEUNDEFEATED
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
10
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
115


scorecard by MINIMAXBOXING
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
116


scorecard by MBUCK
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
10
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115


scorecard by ADAMJO260
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
116


scorecard by JPRADO218
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
110
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
116


scorecard by CHTHONIC_ALARIC
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
9
10
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
115


scorecard by JAKAJAKA
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115


scorecard by GOLD
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
10
9
9
8
8
9
9
9
10
9
109
JOSH TAYLOR
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
117


scorecard by TREY813
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
10
8
8
9
10
9
9
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
10
10
9
115


scorecard by AJ KNIGHT
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
10
8
8
9
10
10
10
10
113
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
113


scorecard by VC1088
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
10
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
114


scorecard by CJKELLY
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
114


scorecard by FELIPE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
10
10
10
9
9
8
8
9
10
10
10
10
113
JOSH TAYLOR
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
113


scorecard by METALHEAD123
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
10
10
10
8
8
9
10
10
10
10
114
JOSH TAYLOR
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by LEO MASTER
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115


scorecard by WILLIAMBOXING
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
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9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
10
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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9
10
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12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
10
9
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
111
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115


scorecard by JONTAM23
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
9
9
10
10
109
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117


scorecard by CHRIS M95
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
10
10
9
10
8
8
9
10
9
10
10
112
JOSH TAYLOR
10
9
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
114


scorecard by JAROD KILLIAN
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JOSE CARLOS RAMIREZ
9
9
10
9
9
8
8
9
9
9
9
9
107
JOSH TAYLOR
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
119


Comments

Jarod Killian's picture

Jose Carlos Ramirez MD

Champion97's picture

Prediction.

Ramirez just edged Postol in his last fight, Taylor beat a younger Postol, and he has definitely improved since. Taylor hasn't been a full round since late 2019, Ramirez did 12 rounds in July, that might be a factor. I don't see why Taylor, after unifying and winning the WBSS, went to an inexperienced trainer, and I think with Garcia's experience, Ramirez will have better tactics. Taylor has a slight edge in power, strength, and has a slightly better chin, I don't think Ramirez can hurt Taylor with a single shot to the head, but Ramirez's output is far higher. Both are varied, Taylor is more selective, but Ramirez throws double and even triple lefts and rights, has more of a variety of combinations. Taylor has the faster, cleaner jab, but Ramirez's jab is harder because of how he throws it, and I think it sets up power shots better than Taylor's jab.

I think styles favour Ramirez, the Zepeda and Postol fights proved Ramirez struggles with movement, can be out boxed, I think Taylor's movement itself is better than any of Ramirez's other opponents', but he isn't offensively better off the back foot than Zepeda or Postol, Ramirez definitely fights better off the back foot than Baranchyk, and I think he fights better off the back foot than Prograis based on the Orozco fight, Taylor uses his size, is technical, backs his opponent up when he's at his best, and if he takes damage as Ramirez backs up, alters his tactics by backing up himself, that favours Ramirez, because Taylor doesn't fight anywhere near as well off the back foot as on the front foot. I think Taylor can push Ramirez back and out fight him on the inside, but it's as he's cutting the distance that Taylor might struggle, because Ramirez can move back and let his hands go in high volume before Taylor can close the gap.

I think Taylor will look to pick Ramirez off at long range in the early rounds, but will claim centre ring, will make adjustments with his feet, and Ramirez will fall short, I think he'll struggle to time Ramirez in the first couple of rounds because of the inactivity and Ramirez's movement, but I think Taylor will still edge the early rounds with clean shots on the outside. I don't think Taylor will try to box on the back foot, I think he'll try to take the momentum, force the inside fight in the mid rounds, but at mid range, as Ramirez backs up, he will throw jab combinations, do good work to head and body, will be varied, will do damage, but Taylor will have a solid guard, which will take something from Ramirez's offence, Taylor will close the gap, and at close range, Taylor will overpower Ramirez, get clean shots off to head and body, will use his footwork to position his shots. I think the fight will mostly be in the pocket for the last 6-8 rounds, it will be a case of who can implement their game plan for more of the fight, but it will be very close, both will take advantage when the tempo drops at different times, because Ramirez can throw varied combinations at mid range when he can take a step back, and Taylor can make Ramirez fall short by backing up, and if Taylor can force Ramirez to back up enough that the fight is at long range, Taylor can point pick on the outside.

I think Ramirez is underrated, Taylor is the favourite, but he shouldn't be a heavy favourite, I think this is a 50/50 fight, I could see either winning a decision, I could see Taylor knocking Ramirez out with one shot if he can set up and execute it, and I could see either getting a body shot KO or accumulation stoppage, I'll be surprised if if either wins a wide decision. My prediction is a draw.

Josh Taylor UD.

Great fight. Taylor might be very rusty because he basically hasn't fought in over a year and a half (I don't really count the Khangsong fight), I still back him to win by decision though. The whole card also looks interesting with four fights all at 140lbs

Champion97's picture

Ramirez did very well to come back as strong as he did from both knock downs, the set up for the first knock down was great from Taylor, he stepped back and got the distance, and landed the counter left hand to the chin off the back foot, as Ramirez was coming in, the timing and accuracy was perfect, but Ramirez didn't let Taylor build any momentum off it, and got the better of the rest of the round. The second was a heavy knock down, he wasn't ready for the shot at all, I don't think he'd recovered in round 8, and Taylor's finishing was the only reason not to be impressed by him, but Ramirez recovered in round 9, Taylor wasn't gassed, and I thought Ramirez still definitely got the better of the late rounds. Taylor's timing and accuracy were great, Ramirez wasn't easy to time, was on the balls of his feet, was moving his head, and he had a good guard, he out worked Taylor at times, but Taylor was able to time the counter left hand, and land it clean, through a small gap in Ramirez's guard. Ramirez did a great job of stopping Taylor getting into a rhythm and boxing on the outside, he cut off the ring better than I've seen in the past, but Taylor never seemed mentally fazed by Ramirez's pressure, Ramirez's left hook to the body was a hard, accurate shot, and Taylor took it very well. I think Bayless did a poor job in round 7, he gave Ramirez too long after the knock down, but he mislead Ramirez, gave him the impression he was calling a break, although Ramirez didn't respond well to Taylor's dirty fighting, which is surprising given he's an experienced professional.

Anyone who had this a draw or for Ramirez is on crack

Metalhead123's picture

I guess everyone has at least one wack card every now and again (scored it 114-112 Ramirez), I'm just grateful that someone won. The last thing I wanted was for the fight to end in a draw. I was convinced it was going to happen before they announced the decision. I just know that if they had to run it back because of a draw, boxing politics would come, interfere and maybe strip a title or two for not fighting who the belting organizations want them to fight and it probably wouldn't be for the undisputed title anymore.

beaunuitmem's picture

If Taylor only won that fight by 2 rounds, it is the most one-sided 2 round win in history. Ramirez got schooled, Prograis would do the same to him because he's clearly not in that same league.
20 second count in the 7th and the heart of a lion got him through to the end.

Agreed. 114-112 is disgraceful, that means the judges think it would have been a draw if Taylor hadn't gotten those knockdowns. At least the judges got the right man as the winner

beaunuitmem's picture

Just proves that the robbery was on if he didnt get the knock downs. They should do the Crawford fight in a neutral country if it ever happens.

I don't know if you are including all of us amateur scorers in the "disgraceful" category if we scored it 114-112. While that was indeed my score, I will be the first to admit that I am no expert.

Hindsight is 20/20 and even if they shouldn't you don't know how much those knockdowns influenced future scoring (officially, JR took 4 of 5 or 3 of 5 rounds on all scorecards after the 7th) or how the fighters approached it. Maybe one sees Ramirez forcing the action while another sees Taylor effectively keeping his opponent at bay and tagging him as soon as he is within range. I don't love the hit and clutch game, so perhaps I missed some of the nuance to Taylor's work and would judge in favor of Ramirez in closer rounds?

It is interesting that officially the judges only agreed on 6 rounds, two of those being the 6th and 7th where the knockdowns occurred (1st, 6th, 7th, and 8th for Taylor, and the 9th and 11th for Ramirez). It was just one of those fights that could see some big variations round by round. Perhaps it is best that there were some knockdowns (I thought it could have been over in the 7th) to render a definitive decision.

Chris M95's picture

make that 7 man, all 3 judges had rd 3 for Ramirez as well but point taken

Good catch! So they reached a consensus on 4 rounds (2 of those being 10-8) for Taylor and 3 for Ramirez.

beaunuitmem's picture

If you thought Taylor was fighting "hit & clutch" you missed more than nuance.

It is possible. I thought he won and was surprised I had it as close as I did. I bet a rewatching could get another round or two to Taylor. That said Taylor's style wasn't particularly appealing to me. I don't think that consciously made me score different. I was just trying to mention how I could get to 114-112 as well.

Nah, my "disgraceful" comment was directed at the 3 professional judges; having said that I still strongly disagree with people having it as close as 114-112, but hey boxing is subjective so we're all entitled to our own opinion. I should have clarified that what I specifically found disgraceful was how ALL 3 judges found 6 rounds for Ramirez. If only one of them had it that close then that's fine, but the fact that all three judges were just one round away from scoring what was a clear Taylor win (in my humble opinion) a draw sits wrongly with me.

The rounds that I could see Ramirez winning are rounds 3, 4, 9, 11, 12, even if he gets all of those, it's still 115-111 Taylor. I just don't agree with the idea that Taylor would have been denied a win on any of the 3 judges' scorecards if he hadn't scored those two knockdowns.

I almost fell off my chair when I saw a 33% controversy rating before my card went in, and I thought I was kind to Ramirez.

Great performance from Taylor. In terms of skill he was definitely a level above Ramirez, he walked him on to some huge shots, masterclass in feigning and drawing your opponent in. That said, Ramirez (and Taylor for that matter) was in exceptional condition to be able to recover from those knockdowns, in particular the second which was very heavy. Around about the 3rd/4th Ramirez dug some cracking body shots in but Taylor is as tough as they come.

Taylor's the whole package. Probably hovering just outside or around the top 5 lb for lb conversation imo. He got the skill, the power, the speed, the ring IQ, the conditioning and the guts.

Crawford will probably be a step too far if he manages to get him though.

beaunuitmem's picture

Will be super interesting to see. Somebody else said it but I agree that I'd like to see him have one or 2 to settle at 147 before fighting Crawford.

Jarod Killian's picture

against the likes of a Gor Yeritsyan, Alexander Besputin, Harold Calderon, Conor Benn or Custio Clayton maybe?

beaunuitmem's picture

I'm yet to see Yeritsyan and Calderon in action but I think Besputin and Clayton would be great fights. Avenesyan maybe?

Jarod Killian's picture

yeah Avanesyan would be a good opponent too. I think Crawford will be too much for Taylor but we'll see.

beaunuitmem's picture

Agreed but if he's given the best preparation for it, it could be a fight for the ages.

Scorecards are a funny thing. For example (forgive any math errors in my part), you gave Taylor 10 rounds and are one of six (of 43) that gave Taylor 9 rounds or more. Most (26 of 43) gave Taylor 7 or 8 rounds while I fell in the group (7 of 43) that gave him 6. This isnt to say anyone is right/wrong, but just changing 1 or 2 rounds on my end (I am looking specifically at you Round #1) can make it look much different.

Case in point, for the Canello-Callum Smith fight, you are one of a handful that only gave Canelo 9 rounds or less. Your scorecard shows that Canelo won by quite a bit, but is still two to three rounds less than most of the scorecards here and a score that officially faced some derision ( https://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/judges-scorecards-once-again-cause-... )

There is nothing wrong with that, but, again, it just shows what a couple rounds can do. Take this one , if I change two rounds, it could be a 116-110 card for Taylor that may be more palatable for you.

beaunuitmem's picture

I had no argument with any of what you said apart from the hit and clutch thing. Accept your point on scorecards and I don't know why the variance is so big here as it looked like a clear one to me (116-110 if I'm giving Ramirez everything and Taylor nothing) but it is there. My only grievance was with "hit and clutch".

It may have been an unfair statement, but not intended to make it sound like Taylor shouldn't have won or that he simply grabbed his way to victory. I see a lot more infighting like this especially with some European fighters. As I think about it, I feel it is more of a throwback style and maybe I can grow to appreciate it more.

Thanks for the banter and replies!

beaunuitmem's picture

Fair play, I'm guilty more than most for exaggerating to emphasize a point.

There are a bunch of cards that are way too wide here imo

The bigger problem than wide scores is that nearly a third of the scores here are for a draw or Ramirez winning

Chris M95's picture

Kenny Bayless takes a 3.7/5 rating for me for his performance in this fight largely due to the grounds of complaints Team Ramirez and his fans can legit make over both KDs, however going through time arguments Taylor fans and backers are making over both KDs calls leads them to look even more out of place than Wilder stans did in late 2018 from my vantage point and with lesser ground of merit so I'd have to throw those arguments right out

if i'm allowed to have a complaint of Bayless in the first KD is this "farthest neutral corner" sometimes and some in more recent times the refs tend to have all of their attention taken up by a recovering fighter from a KD and and may overlook where his opponent in similar instances should be,

was real impressive from the master from Edinbrugh, tough loss for Ramirez but he can always come back, i was also real impressed by the corner advice from Ben Davidson like i've never been before

Jarod Killian's picture

I must say this is the first performance by Taylor I was truly impressed. Mind you I've only seen a few of his fights but against Prograis I thought it was close but Prograis did enough to win that one. vs Baranchyk again thought it was close and the 2 KDs got the nod for Taylor otherwise I would've had that a draw. vs Apinung Intheconference yeah he blew him out of the water but really it's not the kind of opponent to write home about. Here against Ramirez I thought he pretty much dominated him and this is coming from someone who picked Ramirez to win.