Saul Alvarez vs Billy Joe Saunders

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Saul Alvarez vs Billy Joe Saunders
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Saturday, May 8, 2021
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Saul Alvarez
                                                                    
Billy Joe Saunders
                                                                    


Fan Cards: Saul Alvarez vs Billy Joe Saunders


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SAUL ALVAREZ
BILLY JOE SAUNDERS


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SAUL ALVAREZ
BILLY JOE SAUNDERS


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Jarod Killian's picture

Saul Alvarez TKO9

Champion97's picture

Prediction.

Saunders has less strength and power than all Canelo's opponents since 2016. Saunders has exceptional talent, great timing, footwork, can box going forwards or backwards, can fight on the inside, but he doesn't live the life, has poor stamina, and his low output has always been overlooked in the UK. A lot of people think Saunders's style is wrong for Canelo, I disagree, Canelo is known for struggling with movement, but he deals with movement a lot better now than in the past, no fighter cuts off the ring and traps an opponent on the ropes as well as Canelo, and Saunders's feet seem slower at 168. I think for the first time in Saunders's career, he is the less talented fighter, doesn't have the better reflexes or timing, he might be better in those departments than almost all Canelo's opponents, which makes it interesting, I could see Canelo needing to be busier mentally than he's been since Jacobs or Golovkin, but I don't think Saunders has a shot to win.

I think the first 4 rounds will be technical and negative, Saunders's reflexes will be sharp, he will use his feet, and throw some fast combinations, but Canelo will slip virtually everything he throws, will react to everything he does, won't be frustrated or rush in, he will adjust his position when Saunders tries to set himself, Canelo will be a step ahead, Saunders won't anticipate which shot Canelo is about to throw. I think Canelo will take a round or 2 to cut off the ring, but he will cut off the ring slightly more in each round in rounds 2-4, and when Saunders is on the ropes, is when Canelo will tee off with a combination. I think after 6 rounds, Saunders will likely be behind, will be tiring, won't have taken a lot of shots, but the accuracy of Canelo's body shots will have taken a toll. I think Canelo will be aggressive in rounds 7 and 8, Saunders will be tiring mentally as well as physically, will make more mistakes, Canelo will walk him down, do more and more damage to the body, Saunders will land some good shots himself in the pocket, but they will bounce off Canelo's head, and Canelo will stop him with accumulation.

I think Canelo stops Saunders late.

Jarod Killian's picture

I seriously might bet again on Canelo for this one. Mind you I wouldn’t be as certain as to bet on the specific outcome (Canelo KO) like I did with Yildirim but I might bet on a Canelo win seems like easy money just not as easy as Yildirim. There’s no way BJS beats Canelo and while I’m picking Canelo to stop him on the 9th I could actually see this going the way of the judges were Canelo gets a lopsided UD.

Jarod Killian's picture

I'm in at -750

Jarod Killian's picture

I can also wager on over/under 10.5 rounds. I don’t know about this one sounds too risky. I might have to ponder this one thru and come back to it maybe later. I got till next Saturday.

What did you put on the Yildrim fight? £100 and get a £101 return?

Jarod Killian's picture

I bet 1 bitcoin on the Yildrim fight and got 0.0833 bitcoin return.

I'm a little surprised both predictions so far have a Canelo KO. I think Canelo wins the fight reasonably comfortably but I expect BJS to go the 12 rounds. It might be close and competitive rounds for the first half of the fight but when BJS slows down I expect Canelo's flashy combinations to start landing. Bill's a crafty operator though and knows how to look after himself. It may be the case that he ends up in survival mode but should go the 12.

Also worth pointing out that BJS strikes me as the kind of fighter that needs a big name to motivate him. It doesn't get any better than this so he should be prepared.

I'm thinking Canelo UD around the 117-111 116-112 territory.

beaunuitmem's picture

I have to admit to a little bit of bias here but people aren't counting that Billy Joe can actually punch. Just because he doesn't sit down on his shots, doesn't mean he can't. Decked Andy Lee who was a hard man and when his back was against the wall against Cocores, he just took him out. He's not really had proper camps either, blows up to cruiser or more in between fights. His raw talent is comparable with Canelo's and it's up for debate who is the more talented. It's also visible that he can't get up for fights because he knows he's so much better than the oponents, especially so against Akavov. Which leads me on to the fact he is the only one with an 0 to protect; fair enough, could be counted lucky against akavov and Eubank but Canelo's lost 4 times in my mind (twice by an old man that wasn't even a mover). Doesn't stop him being great but this is a tight fight 60-40 Canelo because he's been more active and always has at least one judge in the pocket.

Champion97's picture

I respect your honesty about the bias.

I strongly disagree personally, full credit to you if you're right. Lee was durable, had good recovery and always had the right mentally when he was dropped, but he did not have a good chin, Coceres's size was likely a factor, his survival skill as well, so I don't take much from that. I'd say Saunders's power is 4/10, he has enough power to hurt his opponent under the right circumstances, but he doesn't hit hard. Talent in of itself only gets fighters so far, Saunders is similar to Broner in my opinion, he's unbeaten, but he hasn't fought an opponent as good as any fighter who's beat Broner. You make a good point that he'll be at his best in this fight, so we can expect the Saunders who fought Lemieux and Lee, not the Saunders who fought Akavov and Coceres, but I considered that when I wrote my prediction. Saunders doesn't have Canelo's talent in all likelihood, and in my opinion, Saunders's undoing will be Canelo beating him at his own fight, he's never had to deal with being the lesser counter puncher, not having the better reflexes, and not having the better ring IQ, this is the first time he's fought a more talented fighter than himself as far as I know. We also have to consider that not living the life, blowing up between fights costs fighters, that's not only an explanation for his poor performances, it's directly related to this fight. I think he was drained from a tough camp against Akavov, started camp heavy, didn't have enough time, didn't have the right people around him, but I agree he's had that problem in other fights. That's always a slippery slope when it comes to altering records, yes, Canelo has had favourable scoring in the past, but fighting a Golovkin who's only a couple of years into gradual decline, and not losing, even if it's close, is very impressive, do you not think a 2018 Golovkin is a level above Saunders? Look at the difference in resume between Canelo and Saunders, look at their fights in 2019 and 2020, Coceres and a 38 year old Murray, and Kovalev and Smith, are the difference in their form, given how similarly those fights went down. Can you venture one single bad card for Canelo since 2017? From 2012-17, the scoring was terrible for Canelo, but no robberies, the numbers were well off, but there was been no more since Byrd's 118-110, has there?

beaunuitmem's picture

I agree (to an extent) with a lot of what you say but I think Joe's reflexes are better than Canelos. Ring IQ is highly debatable and the only reason I don't land with Joe is because of quality of opposition.
With regards to the Golovkin fight, I think Joe could have been just as competitive as Canelo was, if not more so just because of style. They'd both beat him easy now.
With regards to scorecards, since Adelaide Byrd, I'd say Kovalev was on route to getting robbed but he was very dominant in the rest so hard to say.
CV's a no contest and that's where the doubt lies. This opinion rests heavily on a Joe we've only seen glimpses of and I'm banking on him to do it for 12 against a great. I understand that.

Champion97's picture

Canelo beat Golovkin, both fights were close, so you must think Saunders good enough to beat a 2017 or 18 Golovkin, that's quite the claim. I think Saunders's style is worse for Golovkin than it is for Canelo, but that's not enough, and I don't think Golovkin vs Saunders would have been close, I think Golovkin vs Saunders, now, would be 50/50.

The judges were very fair in that fight, if you look at most unofficial cards, they range between 6-4 each way, so Kovalev wasn't on his way to getting robbed. Jacobs legitimately won rounds, Smith might have done, so Canelo wasn't too dominant for those fights to be telling in terms of scoring, and they got the rounds they deserved.

beaunuitmem's picture

If Billy Joe is as good as I think he is (proved right or wrong on Saturday), I think he would have had a good chance of beating 2017-2018 Golovkin. I'm basing that on the eye test of a fighter that used camp for weight loss (apart from Lemiuex possibly), against inferior opposition and also the way that he's spoken of by almost everybody that's worked with him but in reality that's all there is to go on so it's whether you believe or not.

Champion97's picture

That is a good point, everyone who's sparred him speaks highly of him, I don't read much into it personally because of what I've seen from him in the ring, but that's worth considering. I definitely think Saunders is overrated in the UK because his low output is overlooked, the Lee fight was close, Saunders boxed well, but that fight was even outside the knock downs, I think it was an overrated performance for that reason, throwing enough shots is important.

We'll find out how good Saunders is on Saturday, I wouldn't be surprised if he went the distance, but I'd be surprised if he won 3 of 12 rounds.

Haven't been this excited for a fight in a very long time. I've given it a lot of thought recently, and call me crazy but I think Saunders pulls off the upset and outboxes Canelo over 12 rounds to win a decision (optimistically assuming fair judges which isn't a given). He's a motivation fighter like Tyson Fury, in the fights where he's the clear favourite and more talented fighter he doesn't take camp seriously and puts in a subpar performance, but when he's in a true fight where he's not expected to win (Lemieux, Lee) he turns up. There's no bigger motivation for him than the p4p #1 who he's been wanting to fight for years. He was offered the Canelo fight during lockdown last year and turned it down because he claims he wanted to fully prepare for it, and I believe him, he looks to be in the best shape of his career, he's now had a year to think about and prepare for this fight which he knew would be inevitable.

His style is the trickiest style for Canelo at 160/168, there's no knocking Canelo out, even GGG couldn't do that, the way to beat him is to outmaneuver and outbox him and I believe Saunders has the skillset which makes him the likeliest candidate to be able to do that (even though Canelo has improved since the Lara fight).

Fully prepared to end up with egg on my face if Canelo wipes Saunders out in a couple of rounds or dominates him to a wide decision but I think Saunders is being hugely underestimated here, and at the very least it will be a close, competitive fight.

Champion97's picture

There's definitely some validity in fighters being a fighters who fights to the level of his opponent, Rosario proves that, but Saunders's lack of discipline is still a factor. I disagree on that, Charlo's style is the hardest for Canelo, a fighter who is reliant on movement, doesn't have the worst style for as good a ring cutter and body puncher as Canelo, does he? The reason I say Charlo has the worst style for Canelo is because he comes forward behind a solid jab, Canelo isn't as comfortable on the back foot even if he can adapt to it, leading with power shots and trying to fight Canelo in the pocket, like Liam and Angulo, isn't what I mean, but pushing him back behind the jab, like Golovkin did in the first fight, is the the worst style for Canelo in my opinion. No such thing as a bad prediction, we'll see, I expect Saunders to make Canelo think in the early rounds.