Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Julio Ceja
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Champion97
Tue, 2019-05-14 16:48
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Julio Ceja
Prediction,
Rigondeaux has the talent to be a great fighter, his defence is up there with Mayweather, Whitiker, but he hasn't been able to make the most of his career, his career never really took off, only big fights he was in were the Donaire win, and the Lomachencko fight. Rigondeaux proved how good he was against Donaire, but against Lomachencko, he moved up two weights, fought a great fighter who was in his prime, was getting easily beaten, couldn't use his reach well, and he quit, because he didn't believe he could win. I thought Rigondeaux would retire after the Lomachencko defeat, but he came back, got a first round KO in January. I saw Rigondeaux's last fight, first fight with Ronnie Shields I believe, and he seemed to be more aggressive than he has been before, didn't mind taking a couple of shots to land more of his own and do more damage early, he fought with urgency, and he got the early finish. At 38, Rigondeaux is well past his best, very old, doesn't have a lot of miles, but he is still very old, so he can't repeat his performance against Donaire, but he is extremely skilful, and he is not in the strongest division.
This is a step up from Rigondeaux's last opponent, but Ceja lost to Hugo Ruiz, Jamie McDonnell, was stopped in his last fight against Franklin Manzanilla, he doesn't have a good chin, Ceja, and he doesn't have the skills of Rigondeaux. Ceja is a puncher, Rigondeaux has been down 4 times in his career, he doesn't have a good chin either, so Ceja can hurt Rigondeaux, but Rigondeaux can hurt Ceja as well, and hurt him more easily because he can hit Ceja much more easily than vice verse, take him apart by hitting him clean from body to head.
Ceja is 26, a young fighter, and he is experienced, so he has the age advantage without being inexperienced. If Ceja and Rigondeaux trade shots, it is a close fight, because both can be hurt, both can punch, so by that logic, you have to give Ceja a shot, but if Rigondeaux does everything right, doesn't do what he did in his last fight, boxes, has respect for Ceja's power, makes it technical, this will be a very one sided fight because of the vast difference in technical skill.
I think this will be an entertaining fight for 4 rounds, there will be the possibility that Rigondeaux gets knocked out, or maybe he gets Ceja out of there early, but if as the rounds go on, and Rigondeaux gets his boxing together, it will be harder for Ceja to get close enough to let the shots go, and Rigondeaux will pick him apart, beat him up, will have broken him down, and he'll stop him maybe on his stool.
I think Rigondeaux stops Ceja in the mid rounds.
petieroach
Sun, 2019-06-23 18:01
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Re: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Julio Ceja
disgusting stoppage, robbed this kid of a great performance. The round had 10 seconds left and ceja was showing enough to not stop the fight on that. This ref continuously was making the fight all about him
Very good inside fight all things considered, rigo doesn't look like he has much left though
Champion97
Mon, 2019-06-24 05:28
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Haven't seen the fight, but Russell Mora is a poor referee, that we know, and he should not be refereeing fights.
Gold
Mon, 2019-06-24 07:02
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Wait until you see Charlo vs. Cota which is a lot worse. This was a bad stoppage by Mora because it was too early but Ceja was probably going to get stopped regardless. Cota was totally finished and Nady basically made him continue to get laid out. Nady is a terrible ref as well, and the NSAC had no problem with Robert Byrd refereeing tonight. Too much nepotism with these commissions allowing old and/or bad referees. I believe the BBBoC makes officials retire after 65? It would be great if other commissions adopted that.
Champion97
Mon, 2019-06-24 07:02
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I saw the highlights, he gave him far too much encouragement to continue withoutmgiving him that independence that a referee has to give a fighter, to know they really want to continue, and although he's the experienced referee and we are not, the proof is in the pudding, because Cota got brutally knocked out cold straight after. I don't know, but I think we have our fair share of bad referees over here, not many good ones in my opinion, at least you guys have good referees, Drakulich is useless (most clueless person in the arena for Rigondeaux vs Flores), Joseph Cooper is corrupt, should have been forced to fund Prichard Colon's healthcare, but Jack Reiss, Tony Weeks, Mark Nelson, Michael Griffin, all great referees in my opinion.
I saw some of the highlights of this fight, and I noticed Rigondeaux was fighting a bit of a one handed fight, do you think he might have hurt his right hand?, I didn't see the finish.
Gold
Mon, 2019-06-24 08:58
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There are definitely some good ones, but the problem is that its a position where a lot of the time if they are doing well, they aren't noticeable at all.
Maybe, but he has never thrown a lot of punches with his lead hand. Even at his best, he would just use the jab to probe, disrupt, and measure his opponents.
I saw that Hughie Fury vs. Sam Peter is scheduled for the Khan vs. Goyat undercard? What a strange card, Povetkin fighting a nobody, Prince Patel, and now this.
Champion97
Wed, 2019-06-26 01:00
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Yes, I remember Froch vs Groves, between the two fights, it was all about the probably premature stoppage, people were talking about Howard Foster more than anything else (he was a very, very unpopular man, had to be be surrounded by security on his way out of the building, people went to his house, tried to involve his family, death threats, etc), and the referee was a concern for the rematch, they appointed Charlie Fitch, and when they were discussing what they thought of him as a referee (this is the Sky crew), they had no opinion, didn't remember anything about him from the fights then seen with him as the referee, but they agreed that if you don't remember the referee, that's a good sign, it makes sense, a referee should not be remembered, because almost the only time your attention goes to the referee is when he makes a mistake.
That's a good fight for Hughie Fury, good name, a fight he should win by stoppage, should be an easy one for him as long as he doesn't get caught with a very slow, single hayemaker, early, but there is probably some pressure on him to make a statement. Prince Patel is so arrogant and mouthy you almost think he's paid to be disrespectful, you are not someone who hesitates to be candid and brutally honest, if someone isn't good, you'll say so, but Barry Jones, maybe wasn't a good world level fighter (depends on how you define that), there was no need for Prince Patel to insult him, because he over achieved, tried his best against Freitas, and is now one of the if not the best analyst in the UK. In terms of how he is as a fighter, based on what I know, I doubt Patel is anything special, if you look at who he has faced, I know being a world champion 112 is easier than in the heavier divisions, but I think Dalakian, Edwards, Tanaka would all beat Patel.
Gold
Wed, 2019-06-26 06:00
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Fury's management is terrible, this isn't a bad fight from a profile perspective but he should be fighting at a European level at least. He should box Peter easily who was finished in 2011. Patel very likely plays it up, I wasn't following him from the beginning but he has had a very strange career arc. Why did he have all of those fights in Hungary of all places?
Champion97
Wed, 2019-06-26 10:36
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I agree, very inconsistent, from Parker, down to British level against Sexton, to Pulev, down to fighting a shot Peter. I don't know, I have never seen him fight, and I agree on him fighting in Hungary, there is a reason he has a big mouth, has the antics to be well known but is not well known, yes he's a flyweight, but I agree, he has had a strange career, been badly managed.
Looking forward to Andrade vs Sulecki, I think Andrade will stop Sulecki, will be interesting to see if I'm right or wrong, but I think so because I think he's an underrated puncher, and Sulecki can be hurt, lacks survival skill.
Champion97
Mon, 2019-06-24 07:05
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Also, Robert Byrd (and this isn't a joke), must have hearing difficulties if he didn't hear the bell, it was as loud as any bell I've heard in boxing, they kept ringing, were on the verge of getting in the ring, and Briedis admitting he heard the bell proves what a scumbag he is, but also makes you question why Robert Byrd didn't hear it.
Gold
Mon, 2019-06-24 09:00
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Apparently, people said the bell wasn't as loud in person as it was on the broadcast which makes some sense, but the referee is also a lot closer to the bell than fans in the crowd. If the fight was in a neutral country I assume it would be changed to a no contest, but there's no way it's going to happen in Briedis's own country. I hope the WBO reinstates Glowacki as the champion and Dorticos beats Briedis in the final.
Champion97
Tue, 2019-06-25 15:17
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I agree that makes sense, but if that's the explanation for Byrd, why did Briedis hear the bell and not Byrd? And Glowacki seemed to hear it, then again, it seemed strange that Glowacki's corner would stand there and let him take an illegal beating, so I wonder if they heard it. Everyone is rooting for Dorticos, but it's a pick'em. It's a shame Briedis's place in the final is tainted, because there were a lot of questions about why he was so terrible against Gevor, it was hard to predict the Glowakci fight, and it is hard to predict the Dorticos fight for the same reason, because Briedis illegally won the fight before those questions could be answered.
Gold
Tue, 2019-06-25 15:41
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Yeah, I agree, Byrd is too old and should be retired. Regarding Glowacki's corner, that is probably easier to say in hindsight rather than in the moment. That is a good point about the Gevor fight (and the fight he had before that), and I don't think the Glowacki fight fully answered them. Hopefully, the Dorticos vs. Briedis fight is fought fairly in a neutral country.
goosu
Mon, 2019-06-24 03:20
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Rigo in a phone booth fight? Strange, it looks like it was exciting from the highlights. Mad I missed it.
goosu
Mon, 2019-06-24 03:20
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Rigo in a phone booth fight? Strange, it looks like it was exciting from the highlights. Mad I missed it.
Champion97
Sun, 2020-01-05 16:38
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Referees don't get much worse than Russell Mora in my opinion, deducts 1 point from both fighters, cancels out the punishment for both fighters, not deducting from both fighters with the same purpose as the referee in Ward vs Rodriguez, Mora is a clown, was second guessing himself, didn't know what he was doing, and he failed to see if a lot of those shots were legal or not. That was a very premature stoppage in my opinion, the round was over, there isn't a safer time to let a fighter continue, the knockdown was fairly heavy, clean, but the back of Ceja's head didn't hit the canvas or anything, he got up, he was responsive enough, didn't look so badly hurt he couldn't continue, he was almost certainly up in the fight, Ceja, that was a very soft stoppage, and if I were Ceja, I would be after that rematch no doubt, because he did not lose that fight decisively.
This was a great fight, Ceja did great, tried his best, I think he was definitely ahead after 7 rounds, I had him ahead by a very long way, I can definitely see how it could have been closer, rounds 4 and 5 were not easy to score, but I think Ceja was clearly ahead, he out worked Rigondeaux, and overall, after 6 rounds, might have done more damage, he hurt Rigondeaux at least twice in the fight, he had a high output which Rigondeaux couldn't match, and his variety was great, Rigondeaux was still trying to be smart to some degree, landed good body shots, but Ceja did good body work himself, and more of it, volume, round after round, in variety, at close range, is exactly how to beat an outstanding amateur like Rigondeaux, who is best in a chess match, does just enough, makes it about defence, and Ceja did what he needed to do, I don't know how he would have recovered had the referee not stopped it, but he was ahead in a fight nobody gave him a chance to win.
I don't know why Rigondeaux is trying to change his style, maybe he is trying to be more entertaining, trying to prove he is tough after quitting against Lomachencko, but he got hurt in this fight, took a fair amount of damage, he got the win, his defence improved marginally after 6 rounds, but he was better fighter when he boxed the way he used to, not more entertaining, but that Rigondeaux was a harder man to beat.