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Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Fan Cards: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook


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scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
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Comments

Well this should be a more legit fight then Alvarez-Can (I know can has hand speed and skills that won the first few rounds, but that chin was guaranteed 2 not hold up, plus can is chickening out of any tough welterweights to protect his padded legacy) . Odd how things happen when two ducks "canGolovking happen. Well, Brook has more of a frame to contend with some middleweights, but he hasn't ever faced a big time puncher like this before, and frankly Brook is pretty much a 1 hit wonder with a few other wins over guys who are just o., I think it would be great if Gennady could outbox Brook from bell to bell. Show all of us that his boxing skills are underrated or nitpicked way too much.

albertocastany's picture

I hate how two of the most avoided fighters in their divisions are cornered into facing each other in an uneven match. No other fighters are willing to put their records and potential revenues on the line against them, and that just proves what a risk factor they represent.

Talking strictly about boxing, GGG will crush the Special K. Brook is a really great textbook boxer, who will exploit all of his advantages to the maximum. Kell will try to set a distance and jab away his way around the ring. However, Golovkin is extremly profcient at caging opponents, added to the fact that Kell's jab won't be as solid against a middleweight than against a Welterweight. 8 rounds before Kell's lights go out.

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

I think boxing fans who are dissatisfied with this fight need to understand how lucky they are to be able to watch fantastic boxing fights like this, and how they should be appreciating this great sport. Gennady Golovkin may be avoided in the middleweight division to an extent, some issues are more complicated than people realise, and this is certainly the case with Golovkin and his work, one thing is for sure, and that is that Gennady Golovkin struggles to get fights against decent opposition. Kell Brook deserves so much respect for moving up two weight categories to fight Golovkin, very few people are expecting much from him in this fight, it's a win win situation in my opinion, if he was to pull off the upset, then this would be absolutely massive for his career, and what a fantastic night for British boxing that would be.

I think Kell Brook is better than Saul Alvarez, and this fight will be slightly closer than Golovkin vs Alvarez would be, I think it will go the distance, I think Golovkin will box seemingly out of his character, I think Kell Brook will shock everybody with his performance, and manage to take Gennady Golovkin 12 complete rounds, Brook is extremely durable, his chin is solid, he's very athletic, his stamina in fantastic, he's a warrior if ever there was one, and interestingly, more than people realise, he's a dangerous puncher, Golovkin is not only human, but intelligent and sensible, so he will not want to walk into something from Kell, which is why I think Golovkin will aim to win the first few rounds with predominantly the jab. If Kell Brook hasn't been exaggerating much (because I think he has been exaggerating) and he's strong, energetic and comfortable at 160, then we have a very interesting fight to watch, and if this is the case, I'm very confident that the fight will go the distance. I think advantages aside, Golovkin is one of the best in the world, and I don't think Kell will win this fight, and I think it will be a one sided affair, I think Kell might take some gambles in the late rounds, maybe making the last quarter a lot closer than the first three quarters, maybe even winning a round or two. My prediction for this fight is for Gennady Golovkin to win by unanimous decision and a wide one, I can see it being a master class from Golovkin against a very underrated opponent who I believe will do himself and his fans proud, I can't wait for this fight.

I think sooner or later, boxing fans are going to have to face the fact, Saul Alvarez is unlikely to ever fight Golovkin, and if the fight does happen one day, it won't be for a long time, that's the way it is, calling Alvarez unkind names, and belittling a former and potential world champion's achievements won't change anything, so to all the boxing fans who still aren't satisfied, I suggest you stop complaining, grow up, stop holding grudges against famous boxers, stop slating this is very worthwhile and very fascinating fight, and enjoy the sport, or, the other option is always available, go and watch a different sport.

Acerbitas's picture

Well Champ this time we will disagree. I think this fight is actually worse than Khan-Alvarez. In that case Khan only had to move up 8 pounds compared to Brook moving up basically an entire stone for this fight which is ridiculous. He is a big welterweight and insists it will be easy but how come he has stayed at 147 ? This confuses me which leads me to believe that he is most comfortable at 147 as he is at the peak of his abilities where his skills and punching power are really at their optimum capabilities.

Not only is he moving up a stone, he is moving up to face pound for pound one of the top 5 fighters in the world with a granite chin, huge power and a fantastic variety of boxing skills. For me this is a big payday fight for both but since Brook only got a majority decision over Shawn Porter and some people thinking it was a close fight that could have went the other way makes me thing that someone who is a much bigger and better fighter than Porter will really destroy Brook.

Golovkin holds a height and reach advantage of an inch or two. Truthfully I don't see anyway Kell Brook makes it out of that ring on his feet. Golovkin has true KO power and Brook wont be able to handle it. If he faces a good Golovkin its over in 3 rounds and GGG should not wait around and let Brook outbox him because it will only taint his reputation. As a Golovkin fan this only serves as a lose-lose fight. I am a very salty individual.

Champion97's picture

First of all, thanks so much for taking the time to read my pre fight analysis, I put a lot of thought into my writing even though (obviously) I'm not a professional journalist or anything like that, and it is really encouraging when people show interest in what I write.

It's good to disagree when talking about boxing, as long as we can always keep the discussion civilized, which I know we can. I think we can meet each other half way here and safely say that for Alvarez vs Khan, and Golovkin vs Brook, the weight situation wasn't and isn't ideal. Now this is interesting, that's very true, I find it interesting that Golovkin's promoter offered Brook the option of a catch weight clause, but Brook turned it down, now, if the weight situation was what mathematics suggested it was, then do you believe Dominic Ingle would have let Kell turn down that option?, because I definitely don't, the mind of a trainer is very different to that of a fighter, their job is to keep their fighter (who should be like their son in a sense) safe and healthy, I don't believe Ingle would have let Kell make any definitively unwise decisions. Abel Sanchez recently said he believes Kell will out weigh Golovkin at the weigh in, that will be interesting. That's a very good question, I have stated this before, and I will state it again, Kell has been dreadfully under challenged recently, so much that he has been fighting unknown and uninterested opponents, I'm confident Kell could dominate Kevin Bizier with many major issues, so for all we know, he could have been absolutely drained in that fight, and making welterweight could be a much bigger issue than we realise, we never know what goes on behind closed doors, one should keep reminding themselves of that when analysing a situation like this. It's no secret that Kell has been struggling to make the weight for a while now, and he was planning to compete at 154 before he was offered the Golovkin fight (in relation to Khan vs Alvarez, this expresses that fight being less wise than this one, because I highly doubt Khan was struggling to make the weight, especially seeing as he plans to move straight back down to 147), so I don't think the weight situation is what it appears to people who haven't really done their research, I believe Kell will make middleweight comfortably, not many people do, but that will make being right an even better realisation on September 10, unless of course, I'm wrong. I think Kell is exaggerating when he says his natural weight is 160, because although I think he can make middleweight, I think it would have been ideal for him to have moved up to the 154 lb division between Gavin and Bizier at the very least, he could have secured a fight against a far better opponent, and in a more appropriate weight category, and I suppose one can't really answer your question as to why a natural 160 lb fighter has spent half a career competing in the 147 division. Rightly or wrongly, there are many different reasons why fighters choose to box in a certain weight category. In relation to your opinion that this fight is foolish in comparison to Alvarez vs Khan, it would be wise not to forget that throughout a career, a fighter is likely to naturally move up a division or two, without pushing the boundaries, Khan started his professional career at lightweight, Kell started his career at welterweight, he's a naturally bigger man, do you see what I'm getting at?, this is very significant. I'm well aware that it is common for boxers to fight at many more than 2-3 different weights throughout their career, but I think jumping up in weight should stop, and decision regarding weight should be up to 2-3 people, the fighter and the strength and conditioning coach, trainer also (if not same person as previous), promoters, should have no say, fans, certainly should have no say, I think it's inevitable that weight changes are always going to become less rare, becomes the amount of divisions increases, meaning some if not all become smaller, and as time goes on, athletes are becoming better athletes, and they're developing more. I think when Alvarez vs Khan happened, it was particularly foolish, because of how deviously Alvarez takes advantage of the weight situation in this sport, whereas Golokvin is your average middleweight in terms of weight, by the way I don't approve of Saul Alvarez boxing at light middleweight, at all.

He is, which doesn't make the fight a bad idea, it increases the element of a challenge, it's interesting, because Kell Brook may well have been the best welterweight on the planet when he was at 147, he was certainly in the top 5, he also possesses those three attributes in a very impressive way. This fight is far more than a big payday, when you think about the mindset of any boxer, they will always grab a big opportunity like this with both hands, and it isn't really about money. That's true but the fact is, he won, and it was valid, although it could have gone either way, and anybody who says otherwise is incorrect. Shawn Porter is also one of the best in his division, forget 'could have gone the other way' a fighter does well against Shawn Porter, very impressive, you beat Shawn Porter, incredible achievement, Kell boxed beautifully against Porter, and proved to be able to utilise his skills at that level like very few believed he could. If we assess Porter vs Brook, we discover that Porter was never able to hurt Brook, his tactics were physical, and he was far more successful than given credit for, but he never hurt Kell. I do think Brook will lose, and it will be one sided, but I believe he can withstand the power of Golovkin, he has a solid chin, and let's not forget, he is a massive puncher, Golovkin will be wary of his power. So you believe that just because Golovkin is bigger and has more skills that he will definitely be destroyed?, I think you know it's never that simple, if he can handle a certain challenge, then why can't he handle something even more challenging?, there's no reason why he necessarily can't, and let's not forget that Kell is far more experienced, far more mature, bigger, stronger and more skilled all round now than when he fought Porter. One wouldn't be wise to write Kell Brook off, I believe when fight night approaches, and both guys comfortably make the weight, the topic won't be discussed any more, and all the real fans will enjoy the fight, while the fans I criticised in my original post will not be satisfied no matter what happens.

Oh I do, I believe he can withstand a lot of punishment from Golovkin, I believe the fight will be very tentative, and at long range, weight aside, I think Brook is better than Alvarez, and gives Golovkin a tougher, closer fight, I think Golvokin will win 10-12 rounds, and it will be a boxing lesson, but I believe because of Kell's power and technical skills, he's a challenge for Golovkin. Golovkin has never boxed anybody as good as Kell Brook in my opinion, and it isn't really close. Brook may not have the power of David Lemieux, but he's far more technically skilled, and he can punch himself, I think he has the power to hurt Golovkin, when Golovkin doesn't want to get hit, he very rarely gets hit, I'm not a fan of his tactic of taking his own durability for granted, walking through punches of not so heavy handed fighters, that's just about the only thing I don't like about GGG. I think Brook is more durable than any opponent of GGG so far, of course I could be wrong, but he's definitely up there, I think the weight will be either a minor and manageable issue or not an issue at all, and let's not forget that because of his skills and the threat he will pose to Golovkin, by round 3, he's not going to have taken a lot of punches, then again, one punch can change a fight, and anybody can be knocked out, but these are just facts, there's no particular reason why that's what's going to happen in this case. That's your opinion, but you don't know that for a fact, I think something that should be considered is how much of toughness, recuperation and durability is about fitness, naturally Kell Brook doesn't have a vulnerable chin, so he has a granite chin, no commitment issues, a proud fighting heart (there really is no quit in him, as he proved in the Carson Jones fight), and his conditioning is fantastic, with all these facts, you see why I believe Kell can handle the power of GGG to an extent, and I don't believe he will take enough punches for Golovkin's offence to take too much of a physical toll, although I do think he'll be under the cosh in the mid to late rounds. Golovkin won't do that, I can't tell you that for nothing, he won't let Kell land, he wouldn't tactically patronise a champion like Kell Brook. The fact that people are calling it that shows immaturity and lack of knowledge amongst fans, I bet Golovkin asks himself why he even bothers, if he looks good against Kell Brook, a comfortable 160 lb Kell Brook, then this is very impressive, the real fans, who know what they're tailing about, whether you agree with me, or think the fight will be over fairly early, understand why this is a worthwhile fight.

Acerbitas's picture

Yes, we definitely can agree the situation is not a good sign. That is interesting and I did not now that a catchweight is offered but how much would it be at ? I personally feel that Kell Brook is overconfident (which he probably is) and thought he had the ability to go the extra distance and prove himself better than Amir Khan by going up more weight and against a better opponent. If he goes 6 or above rounds he has a better loss than Khan, if that makes sense.

Abel Sanchez's statement I am not sure about. I seriously doubt Brook will weigh more than Golovkin unless he is going to pull a Ricky Hatton between fights (#rickyfatton4ever). Also Kell Brook is a very big welterweight but it seems like he is still comfortable enough so that he can compete professionally there with relative ease or at least enough to blast out the guys he has fought lately. He could make 154 easily I think but 160 is a different ball game and especially fighting the best 160 with no prior experience. That is serious Sugar Ray Leonard-Marvellous Marvin Hagler stuff right there.

I know fighters move up but this is on a huge and VERY RARE scale. Most fighters progress through weights moving up naturally and taking on a few tune ups before getting another world title. Moving up a stone and taking one of the very best for multiple world titles and a genuine P4P top 5 is quite different. At least to me.

The problem for me is that the opportunity is perfect for Kell Brook, big money and it is a genuine win win as you said previously. I'm a Golovkin fan and this is a lose-lose situation for me. All the credit goes out of the window for him even thought he is really taking it for 4 million dollars or whatever he is getting. Really it should not go past 3 rounds if Golovkin wants any credit to remain left in him.

I think Golovkin is going to win because he has a KO ratio of 91% if I recall which stastically makes him the biggest KO artist in middleweight champion history. Lots of talented middleweights who never went down in their careers got smoked pretty easily by Golovkin and he broke them down. David Lemieux ? Taken out with jabs and 3 left hooks in 8 rounds. Brook is at a disadvantage in weight, experience at the weight class, power, height and reach and skill.

Brook can go defensive like Martin Murray who practically ran for survival but he still got demolished and Golovkin now is a lot more refined in my opinion. Golovkin will force the action and I dont imagine Brook will keep calm under the constant pressure, he does not hit hard as Lemieux and Lemieux's power never bothered Golovkin a bit. True he has boxing skills but they are not that good to keep GGG off him in my opinion. Also according to Abel Sanchez Golovkin handled and dropped Sergey Kovalev in sparring. So not only would Brook really deal with middlweight power but more supermiddleweight/light-heavyweight power.

The thing is for me is that Kell Brook has not proved he is a 160 fighter yet and not really a 154 fighter yet so it does not seem valid. The fact is Golovkin needs to long against people in his own weight class and so does Kell Brook (Thurman etc). If Golovkin wins in the first, no credit. Wins in the 9th ? No credit. Wins a UD ? How did he let a blown up welterweight/naturally 160 go the distance ? No credit and overhyped. Loses a UD ? Not even joking if Golovkin loses he gets dropped from my p4p list and Kell Brook gets proclaimed fighter of the decade. Better than Floyd, Pacquiao, Roy Jones Jr, Pernell Whitaker, De La Hoya. All will bow to the greatest of all time, Kell Brook !

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155 was the expected arrangement, same as Alvarez vs Khan, and Golovkin would have to weigh 4-5 pounds less than he normally does, although he never has any trouble making middleweight, he does usually weigh 159 lbs plus, less than a pound below the limit, which isn't unusual I suppose. You need confidence, you need to 'know you're going to win', as long as there is realism in your self belief, it is very important to be confident. Of course it does, but I don't think Brook is interested in a pointless rivalry between himself and Amir Khan, I don't think this is personal, he isn't looking to outdo Khan's performance against Alvarez, he's looking to pull off the upset, and I wish him the best of luck.

It's not really the kind of thing you can rely on to be true, but I wouldn't rule it out, and in my experience, analysts are right, not mere fans, and if we look at how this fight is currently opinionated, it is the fans who don't seem to like the fight, I personally, don't think there's anything wrong with the sport, I think the fans having unrealistic expectations, and not appreciating the sport is the issue, I also believe a lot of Golovkin vs Alvarez related frustration is being taken out on this fight, and that isn't good. Yes, but as I said in my previous post, Kevin Bizier was terribly over matched, I don't believe he or Jo Jo Dan are good enough to even expose major weight issues, I don't believe making welterweight was an extreme struggle, but I believe the Gavin fight was the last time he comfortably made the weight, that's what I believe, not what I know, not what I strongly believe, it's an assumption really, we never know what goes on behind closed doors, but we know for a fact that the plan was to move up to 154 weeks before this fight was made, so it's been some time that welterweight hasn't been the weight in which he's most comfortable at, I believe he can make all 3, but I believe he can make middleweight more comfortably that he can make welterweight. Absolutely, it's a different division, but it isn't that unusual for fighters to be able to make two weights, and therefore, be two weight fighters, although, I suppose when you think about it, not always, but often two weight fighters don't weigh in at the top of both divisions, for example, Mayweather weighed in at 147 when he competed in that division, but he was 3-4 lbs below the weight limit when he fought Saul Alvarez at light middleweight, I think they even had a catch weight clause. I believe Kell Brook is naturally very adaptable where weight is concerned, and I believe he will make 160 lbs comfortably. Maybe, but look at how that fight turned out, one of the most popular fights of all time. Just out of interest mate, do you think an element of your dislike for this fight has been motivated by your frustration about Golovkin vs Alvarez?

It is a bold move, and a large one, but I think this kind of thing is becoming less rare, I think a lot of it is not because 'everyone else in each of their divisions are cowards and won't fight them' like the ungrateful, immature fans who don't understand the sport insist, but because the fights are very exciting, very interesting, and the weight situation is manageable, but you're right, currently, it is rare, moving up two weight divisions automatically isn't something anybody saw coming, but I don't see any problem in this scenario. They do, and hey, had Brook had had a couple of fights at light middleweight first, I would think this fight to be much more sensible, and the weight situation would be more ideal, it would have been the done thing, but through all the lack of normality in this direct welterweight to middleweight scenario, I strongly believe Kell Brook's trainer wouldn't have let Kell make the decision to move up to 160 if he believed it wasn't a good idea. Oh no don't get me wrong, your thinking logically, realistically, and sensibly, that's the done thing, but I believe some fighters are more adaptable than others in terms of weight, and I believe all fighters are more weight adaptable than the public believe, I believe on a general basis, it is good for fighters to do the done thing, and find the weight category they feel most comfortable at, and stay at that weight, so that they can reliably box at their full potential in pre weight category that's right for them, but if a fighter is offered an opportunity of the magnitude of a Golovkin fight, obviously, he'll take it, as long as he can comfortably make the weight, and obviously, he comes back down to his normal weight after the fight, I think the fact that Kell never actually competed at 154 makes the weight situation look like a bigger deal than it really is, I think Kell's planned move up to that division would have been overdue.

But as I explained, it shouldn't be, because fans out there need to start appreciating him for all his skills, but more importantly, they need to realise that he could well be in for the biggest challenge of his career so far against Kell Brook, I'm not saying they have to agree with what I believe about the weigh situation, but they need to consider that possibility, and if Golovkin doesn't stop easily and early, this will prove that Brook was a challenge after all, but a 12 round master class is very impressive against a champion like Kell Brook, more impressive than anything he's achieved so far in his career, if it's a lose - lose situation, then it's because of inconsiderate fans who are too lazy to build up justified, educated opinions in the sport. But again, the credit will not go out the window from people who know what they're talking about, and to say that not stopping Kell Brook in 3 rounds is grounds for criticism is just ridiculous, again, this shows lack of knowledge and immaturity amongst fans. There isn't much else I can say, just that the real fans out there (millions of them fortunately) will appreciate that this could be the toughest fight of Golovkin's career so far (the only way it won't be will be if the weight situation doesn't work well for Brook at all), and will give him credit for looking good against Brook.

Yes, the facts don't fib, and I'm not disputing that he is the biggest puncher in the middleweight division, but that doesn't confirm Kell Brook's knock out fate. It's really not like that, he broke Lemieux down, yes, and stopped him in round 8, but he was able to fully physically commit with all his shots, it was the amount of punches that physically took him out of that fight if I recall rightly. Yes, but don't underestimate the durability of Kell Brook, I think he might be more durable than Gennady Golovkin.

OK, so if we revisit that fight, the plan for Murray was to sustain lateral movement, keep on the balls of his feet, sustain a high punch out put, and this worked well to an extent, he had a lot of success, and maybe even won a round or two, but the plan for Golovkin was to make Murray do all the work on the early stages, and slow down his movement, Murray was never a threat to Golovkin in terms of power, which is why Golovkin was willing to take so many punches from him. That's an area where we disagree big time, as Brook proved against Porter, he's great at handling pressure fighters, he's fantastic at ctahing guys in the counter, when there on their way in, and he carries a pot of power, I highly doubt Golovkin will use the the expected tactics for this fight. No, but if you're fighting a guy who can hurt you, you're fighting a guy that can hurt you, it doesn't always matter about levels, I believe Brook can hurt Golovkin, to a lesser extent than Lemieux, but that doesn't matter, it won't stop Golvokin from trying to avoid his power, I would like to point out that because of the fantastic defence of Golovkin when he fought Lemieux, the Frenchman was rarely able to hit him, and when he did, he was never really able to get that leverage on his shots which he has when he lands square on, his work was rushed whenever he had success, for what it's worth, Golovkin probably did feel his power. It's not quite like that, I don't think it will be a case of Golovkin over exerting himself by forcing the pace, trying to overwhelm Brook, and Brook negating his attacks with counters that force him back, I think Golovkin will try to won the fight in a technical way, and keep a large amount of distance between himself and Kell, I think there will be not so much in the early rounds because Kell is very technically skilled, but I think Golovkin will comfortably out box him consistently. We shouldn't underestimate the power or strength of Kell Brook, let's not forget, he rooted to be stronger than Shawn Porter, now, to beat Shawn Porter is one incredible thing, but to be stronger than him, is extremely impressive, I think Porter has been far physically stronger than every other opponent. But it's sparring isn't it?, do I need to say any more?

I think what you mean is that it doesn't seem reliable, and it's possibly even genuinely foolish. Do you mean, he'll get no credit from you?, or do you mean he'll get no credit from the public in general?, either way, that's humerus, it's so ridiculous that it's humerus, why does poor old Gennady even bother?, this is an example of how it's not the sport that's out of order but the fans, so many of them nowadays, honestly, they don't know they're born. You know your my friend, but come on, Golovkin has already proved himself to be one of the best on the planet, of he was to lose, then hats off to Kell Brook, and Golovkin's reputation shouldn't be dented, obviously it would be, but not to that extent, I hope.

I think when analysing any boxing fight, one has to break it down properly, and consider a lot of possibilities, as well as taking every viewpoint seriously, because of the weight situation in this this fight, it carries somewhat a wild card, it isn't a very reliable situation, how a bold weight related alteration will pan out is quite unpredictable, we never know what goes on behind closed doors, and we don't know how adaptable certain fighters are in terms of weight, we also don't know (in some situations) whether even fighters who have been at only one weight throughout their career are really boxing at the right weight category. In conclusion, I will of course consider the possibility that the gamble Kell Brook is taking with the weight will go wrong for him, and this in itself will cause a significantly high disadvantage, a serious issue, and therefore, he will lose badly. I think there are a couple of very different ways of of looking at this, I think your opinion is based partly on instinct perhaps, but also on seemingly reliable logic, and what is generally likely to be wise and unwise in boxing, and that's great, I'm more than willing to meet you halfway and for those reasons, accept that you might well turn out to be right, but I'm basing my opinion on the circumstances relating to this fight in particular, and my experience in following the sport, and having learned how complicated, and unpredictable it can turn out to be. Nobody deeply knows what is going to happen in this fight, that's part of what makes it so exciting, but we can believe, and it's interesting to fins out whether we're right or wrong. I understand your reasoning for your opinions on this fight, the only thing I've seen you write that I really don't like is something that I don't think your serious about, and that is of the fight goes the way I think it will, that you will discredit Golovkin, and personally rate him lower than before this fight, when really, you should credit Golovkin for impressive get against an on form Kell Brook, whether he knocks him out, or beats him by decision, what I'm really saying is that you're entitled to your own opinion at the moment, because nothing has been proven either way, but the deal is that if and when Brook gives Golovkin more problems than any previous opponent, you can't say it is is automatically Golovkin bad and not Brook good, you have to at the very least consider the possibility that Golovkin won't be proven to be inferior to the fighter you believed him to be, and really Kell will impress big time.

albertocastany's picture

DAFUQ!!!!!!!!! FIGHT SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN STOPPED! Maybe Kell was in trouble at the moment of the stoppage....but he was able to defend himself. If I was Brook I would fire my Coach before leaving the ring. As a figter you need a corner that will protect you, but you also need to know they trust on your skills.

Tasteless victory for GGG...a shame.

Acerbitas's picture

To be fair Golovkin broke his eye socket and Brook admitted that he was seeing 3 or 4 Triple G's in the ring. He was soon going to be blind in a fight he wasn't going to win.

Champion97's picture

Don't be silly, he wasn't able to defend himself, it was clear that for the whole 1-2 minutes of round 5 he participated in, he was bothered because of the eye injury, that's a psychological thing as well as a physical thing, but more to the point, you must be mad if you think any responsible trainer would have let him continue. Then you'd be an idiot, that was a brave decision from Ingle, and the right one, he saved his fighters career, had he followed your advice, Brook could well have a permanently damaged eye. Interesting you talk about trust, because trainers need to be trusted more often.

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The only thing that's a shame is the serious eye injury, because it meant Kell couldn't display his full potential, but it's good that his career hasn't been ruined, because Dominic Ingle did the right thing, I can't wait to see him compete at 154, maybe he should fight an opponent of the calibre of Willie Nelson next, then maybe step up to an opponent like Vanes Martirosyan, then maybe a world title shot, I'd like to see him fighting for a world title in 2017. Not that that would be possible had all the selfish, immature fans who slate the stoppage in an aggressive way gotten their way.