The Super Fight: Marvin Hagler vs. Sugar Ray Leonard Scorecard by vock42


scorecard by VOCK42
Round
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2
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MARVIN HAGLER
9
9
9
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10
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
116
RAY LEONARD
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
9
113

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Wow. Two of Marvin Hagler's rounds weren't even scored and you sir, you had him winning by 21 points. Let's just take a moment two let that sink in. Two rounds (20 or 18 points) weren't even scored for Hagler and you had him winning by 21 points. I can't believe it. I didn't even think I read it correctly but 78 points. A Seven and an Eight after 12 rounds after one of the greatest fights of all time and one of the pinnacles of each man's career. 78 and 21. Let me see if I could at least understand the argument here. How did you decide the difference between a six round, a seven round, and an invisible round (2 and 3). I'm just curious. I really am. I also read a couple of your comments and please Vock turn down the language volume a bit. It's a bit rude if you get me.

Now for something completely unrelated to boxing......
What do you call a cow trying to jump over a barbed wire fence?

Utter Destruction!

Now tell me that is not the funniest joke you've heard this week.

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You know I hope this person takes you asking them to be a real judge more seriously than me, can you believe this scorer, according to vock, Sugar Ray Leonard is a 'fucking coward' and he clear lost to Hagler, apparently that second fight against Duran wasn't impressive even though he was schooling him so well his opponent felt quitting was better than continuing. About the scores vock just likes to mock the sport, I'm not sure how on earth that is fun but let's let vock be vock. If you go to vock's scorecard on De La Hoya vs Trinidad you see when I explained to this guy how boxing works, I mean if vock is going to insult boxing legends the fans obviously won't like it. Completely agree about Mayweather vs Pacquiao.

It is what it is. I can't make him do anything that he doesn't want to. People will also believe in whatever they want to be no matter what anyone tells them. I just can't understand what these kinds of scorecards are supposed to prove.

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'It is what it is', well said like a true American,

I can't understand it either, I don't think he is really that interested in the sport and he just doesn't like Sugar Ray for some silly reason and listing ridiculous scores shows his own dislike op for him, I don't know what makes him think anyone really cares but what can we do.

BTW, do you think Amir Khan can beat Floyd Mayweather?, it would be good to see a rematch with Pacquiao but it is unlikely.

Most definitely! I think as long as Khan can use his speed and quickness he should be able to win. I don't really even think the fight would be that close. But I do think Khan would have to be slightly protective of his chin. Mayweather doesn't have knockout power but its still not something that you want to mess with. I'll go with a 116-112 decision for Khan.

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I have to disagree, I think that not just the foot speed but the skilful feet of Floyd would make it hard to for Khan, he would give Floyd a tough fight, win a few rounds but I think Khan would freeze and he would suddenly realise that all his ideas that he has come up with with Virgil don't work, I think Mayweather would drag him into a battle of the counter punches. I think Floyd could shake him, probably drop him but he couldn't stop him, he doesn't have the 1 punch knockout power or the engine. Khan vs Mayweather is a fight that can be disputed either way, I think Keith Thurman would give Floyd the toughest fight.

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That's hilarious, it's also really funny because I read the joke and because of my British accent utter didn't sound like udder and I didn't really get it but I thought about and now I do.

It's the best one I got, but thanks Johnny do you have any jokes. Its kind of funny now that I think of it because you said that Mayweather would beat Khan and I said Khan would beat Mayweather. Its funny because aren't you the British one here? I just think its funny because me being an American had Khan winning. Its cool though I guess it just goes to show how un-biased we are. I do whole heartedly respect your opinion of the fight and I can easily picture it going as you said. It's just a shame with Pacquiao's surgery and I just read that some people are trying to sue him for not telling anyone about the injury. This happens all the time though, and while it does taint the outlook of the fight, I still find it unfair to Pacquiao. I think if anything it proved how tough he is and how even with one arm, he could still have probably beat at least half the great welterweight in the division. The injured shoulder thing makes me at least respect him even more and I hope he still has at least one good fight left in him.

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I have never really been one for thinking of jokes, that doesn't mean for a second that I don't like to make people laugh, I used to do impressions of my teachers and make everyone almost die from laughter, including the teachers. I have plenty of offensive jokes that some would laugh at but I don't find them too funny myself and I don't think you would either, I think you are probably the eye on the ring joke telling king, do you do impressions?,

Yeah man I know, to be honest I used to think Khan but one of my boxing trainers managed to convince me otherwise, I told that vock yesterday when I was telling what's what that Khan vs Mayweather is such an interesting fight that is so hard to predict, I just think that it would be a fight with hardly any punches because they are both trying to find openings, I keep changing my mind, I think Floyd would go for the KO but no way would he get it. What I notice about Mayweather and why he has had it so successful over the years is because Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo were all very good fighters but when you train for a Mayweather you should fill your head with tactics just as much as boost up your physical attributes and all I saw these guys do was train like they did before but extra hard, you can run as fast as you can an lift what you like but it won't make it harder for Mayweather to figure you out, I think Robert Garcia and Freddie Roach worked much more on the tactical side of things with Maidana and Pacquiao.

Lastly are you still saying Alvarez this weekend inside 1 round?, I can't believe Andre Ward is fighting Paul Smith, Paul won't win but he can go over to the states and put in all the effort he has in him and maybe win a round or even 2. What do you think about Cotto vs Geale, Cotto certainly wins, I just keep changing my mind about how. A fight that I think must happen is a featherweight contest, Nicolas Walters vs Vasyl Lomachenko.

Nah my voice is pretty deep and I've tried but for the life of me I can't get it higher or lower. Personally I love offensive jokes too but I think for those you really need to be face to face in telling them, its just not the same reading it over the computer screen.
The Khan fight can go either way and I would honestly like the chances of Lara and Brook. I think in two years the Charlo bros. will be the kings of boxing and I would like their chances if they only had a little more experience.
I did see your message that you sent Vock. I swear next time someone makes me made I want to shout 'Good day sir!' just to sound British. But either way I thought it was well thought out and while we all go to far with angry comments sometimes, I feel like the only way to get better about it is for someone to tell us what we are doing wrong. Usually people will keep doing things (or typing mean things) until someone tells them to stop. That's exactly what we are doing.
Personally I'm just glad to see that Ward is fighting someone breathing and with a pulse. It's been what a year and a half now. Paul's a good fighter with a lot of heart but his chances aren't very good. Personally I would really like to see Cotto fight GGG but Geale is a good boxer who put on some decent work against him. As for Walters vs Lomachenko agghhh... I'll get back to you on that one.
By the way how's your boxing and life in general going champ? Haven't talked non-boxing stuff to you in a while.

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Well that doesn't matter, we all have things we are good at. I will have disagree with you on that one, against Mayweather Lara would try, be successful with his reach, timing and pin point accuracy in the early rounds but when Mayweather came on strong by using his smaller, faster frame to successfully hit the body mainly but also the head Lara would get frustrated and disappear from the fight as he has done in the past, Brook vs Khan is still a great, very wanted fight over here and I would give Khan a slight edge, then again if Kell connects with a KO shot and keeps it on him it could be all over, I think Kell would be just a little bit out boxed by Mayweather overall despite giving him a tough and a close fight, the footwork of Floyd would be a problem. The Charlo brothers could well be the kings of boxing in a couple of years.

Thanks man, it didn't take any rehearsing, I just made it up as I went along, at one point I thought I could get into trouble but I suppose there is plenty of proof that he has been insulting towards other scorers on this site, I was annoyed when I wrote it but I looked back and I couldn't help but laugh, I was a little harsh possibly but I just had enough of all that crap he kept writing, He is probably our age, just less mature and I noticed his grammar is awful. I thought it we be funny to say something like that at the end of the message, I actually think my long comment did the trick because he hasn't written anything like that since. I don't know what made him think he understood boxing and he just would not let that May vs Pac round 7 thing go. I also sent him 1 more, a much shorter one, he sent Christian a message criticising his scoring on Hagler vs Leonard so I sent him one doing the same thing on his Kovolev vs Hopkins scorecard. If you want to see just look on Christian's scorecard on Hagler vs Leonard and then his on Krusher vs Alien.

Paul Smith will be over the moon about getting the Ward fight, I think he will make a good account if himself as a tough fighter who always gives it everything, I can see him not only going the distance but also winning a round or two. Ward is a great fighter, I think he looked great in schooling Carl Froch and an underrated Edwin Rodriguez. I think Cotto would beat Golovkin, Cotto has much more experience, with Pacquiao's career coming to an end I think Freddie Roach can put more time in for Cotto, Cotto is very athletic, very sensible, has a very high work rate, can score a knockdown but never gets carried away, is very hard to hit now and has a lot of power, he also has a lot of heart and stamina, Golovkin is a beast who is probably stronger than Cotto, more powerful but to be honest I thought he gassed after 6 rounds against Martin Murray and this is why Murray had more success in round 7, Golovkin has poor defence, Murray wasn't really missing much, just being hit with the only effective shots and being out landed and out worked because of the relentless pressure of GGG. I think Cotto beats him.

My life in general is Ok, you remember I had that calf injury?, well I recovered, went back to the gym and one week later I felt as weak as water, my parents said rest up but you know that if you are in a sport like boxing resting is not something you want to do when you have just come back from an injury so I went back for the next 2 weeks before the doctor told me I have glandular fever and to take at least 8 weeks out, he said 'what's up mate most people would love a chance to be lazy for 8 weeks', my dad laughed and said 'not this kid, this is going to torture him', which it did which is why it is great that I'm better now, I'm taking a couple of weeks to get some strength back at home before going back to the gym, 200 sit ups and 50 press ups is what I'm doing at the moment besides boxing endless shadow rounds, what is great is that I know someone who used to be a boxer who helps with boxing and he said last week that my head movement was very good which is great because that was always my weakness, my left hook is coming on. I'm also going for 9 mile runs regularly, trying and getting close to beating my time of 55 minutes. It has been a while and I'm happy to tell you that I am in a play called 'in fog and falling snow', I have also been asked to write a scene in a new play that a mate of mine is writing, I know you are into writing as well. I have got a new job as well. How's your life at the moment?, I'm assuming your still becoming more of a beast in the ring.

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If you want something to laugh at bro then go to YouTube and search o fortuna misheard lyrics, another video I think you will find funny is a video called the racist horse.

it was a reach decision but that's what sometimes happens.