Robert Guerrero vs. David Emanuel Peralta Scorecard by mike25


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Based on this performance, where do you think Robert Guerrero goes from here?

That's tough to say. I'm not really sure where he goes from here.

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It's always difficult when a fighter is in this position, I think at first glance, one is likely to advise him to retire, but when we consider the fact that he's still young (I believe 34, although I suppose he's been in a lot of wars, which could have taken a lot out of him), when we consider the fact that in recent years, he lost wide to Mayweather (he didn't really look any worse than Alvarez or Pacquiao in my opinion), and Keith Thurman, well he may well be the best welterweight on the planet, if one of the biggest punching and likely all round best welterweight in the world can't stop you, then you haven't got a lot to worry about, plus, the way he was able to withstand the punishment from Thurman in that ninth round, and then come back in the tenth like that, such fitness. Against Danny Garcia, well that was a close fight, whichever way you look at it, and he came quite close to winning that fight, Kamegai is a fighter who rises to the occasion, so losing 3-4 rounds in a highly competitive fight like that isn't unimpressive in my opinion, the Martinez fight, that could have been an off night, and Peralta, well we don't know what he's made of, I think Gurrero should continue with his career.

For me, whatever decision he makes with his career is ok with me. If he retires, I fully understand it, he's been in lots of wars and took a lot of punishment so I won't be upset if he retires. If he wants to continue his career, more power to him. If he feels he can still fight then have at it. If he decides to return, he should fight Chris Algeri or a Peralta rematch. Those are 2 good options if he decides to return.

Anthony Joshua is returning December 10th. With Klitschko out with an injury, who do you want to see him fight?

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I agree 100%. Those are two great options for him, and so is Ruslan Provodnikov in my opinion, and I think he deserves the Peralta rematch, because it was a split decision.

Well, I was never convinced that fight was going to happen, it wasn't very realistic in my opinion, I was happy to be proven wrong, but a fight of that magnitude, was always going to be very hard to make. First of all, Haye's obsession with Anthony Joshua is starting to irritate me now, he won't stop talking about his career, he's not his trainer, he's not his sparring partner, he's not even his pal, it's ridiculous, telling everybody the Klitschko fight was on and that it would be an easy fight was so stupid, and now, he's insisting Eric Molina is next for Anthony Joshua, and not David Price, granted, Eric Molina isn't the worst opponent in the world, but he's nowhere a big enough step up from Breazeale for Anthony Joshua, I hope it is more typical Hayefaker BS, because obviously Joshsua vs Price is far more worthwhile, that's a great fight, it is far more realistic than Joshua vs Klitschko ever was, I think the element of risk in that fight for both is huge, two massive punchers, two counter punchers, two guys with a good amateur background, two guys who both can be hurt, they don't have absolute granite chins, it is a great fight in my opinion. My answer to your very good question is, David Price, or maybe an opponent of likely challenge of Johann Duaphas, which would be slightly less of a risk in my opinion, if Joshua vs Price happens, I think Joshua wins, if Price catches Joshua with a shot he doesn't see coming, where and when he's vulnerable, than I think Joshua could go, but vise verse, I just think the differences are maybe experience for Price, and a slight height and reach advantage, but Joshua, you just think he has more in the tank, that jab, that weapon which is growing as he works his way up to real world level, the reflexes, the stamina, maybe the slightly better chinned and more durable, you see why Joshua would be the heavy favourite, and I would predict him to knock Price out, then again, Price is a risk, I think the fight would be great for Joshua, it would be such a great way for him to learn, being in there with a genuinely challenging opponent, a real risk, a big puncher, an experienced opponent, a guy who has mixed it at a fairly high level, a man who was a good enough amateur to have the beating of Tyson Fury, it would be a massive test for Joshua, I'd love to see that fight this year.

I forgot about Provodnikov. He's another good option. Also did you watch Eggingtion vs gavin? It was a great fight and I was happy to see Eggingtion get the win.

I thought the fight was going to happen it was a matter of when for me. Eddie Hearn kept saying it was close so I was confident it was going to be made. I didn't really know about Haye talking about Joshua a lot but that is a bit wierd. I did see the tweet of him saying the fight was on. Then later I saw a fan tweet at Eddie Hearn to confirm Haye's statements and he said no and that it was almost done. That was misleading by Haye. I would rather see Joshua vs price than against Molina. Or even Bryant Jennings. It's definetly a realistic option for Joshua to fight price. Price is a risk for Joshua, but I think he can knock him out.

Also, I heard that degale vs Jack and Thurman vs Garcia is official for next year. What's your thoughts on that."?

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He is, and he's in a similar position to Guerrero now, he's achieved great things in the ring, when one someone says his name, your mind drifts back to that battle against Bradley, that absolutely has to be a good thing. No I was in London all day Saturday and I still haven't had a chance to see the fight yet, but I'm also very happy for Sam Eggington, he's improving massively, it's so great to see him bounce back from and learn from that defeat to Bradley Skeete, he's very young, having turned pro at 19 (my age now), he has the chance to have a long career, I wonder how far he can go in the sport of boxing.

Well most people did, why not?, well, to me it just seemed a little bit out there and farfetched, I think mentioning it as an option was a mistake, I think that rarely works well, for example, Mayweather vs Pacquiao, when the negotiations were getting further, and the public was experiencing this, what happened, the fight was sabotaged, in 2015, it went from being a fight that we would all love to see, but probably won't ever happen, to a fight that is definitely happening, bang!, confirmed. I think Joshua vs Klitschko was always going to be hard to make. I'm sure Hearn is gutted about the fight not getting made, but he probably knows he shouldn't have put all his eggs in one basket, and he was overly ambitious, but hey, we all make mistakes, and Eddie Hearn is a fantastic promoter. Tell me about it, he hogs the spotlight, and MUST be the star attraction at all times, and I guess because Joshua is so well known, it's a good topic for him to use to get himself something to droan on about, I think Joshua knocks Haye out in two rounds. Well the thing is, it is likely they can knock each other out, we don't know how Price is physically or mentally, we don't know how big a risk he is, because we don't know what the illegal yet still heavy defeats have taken out of him, we don't know whether or not he's actually improved, his fitness is great, he's very athletic, for a heavyweight, his hand speed is impressive, and he's a massive puncher, these are 4 attributes I feel Joshua has in a more impressive way than Price does, but hey, I could be wrong, I would love to see how Joshua would fare against David Price, what as test. I think the Molina fight is unproductive, because I think his level of ability is too similar to Breazeale, to fight anyone who isn't leaps and bounds ahead of Breazeale would be ludicoris.

Brillaint!, can't wait for Jack vs Degale, and even better, Thurman vs Garcia!, respect to Danny Garcia for fighting Keith Thurman, on a less positive note, a lot the fans out there are not happy out the fight because it's a great fight between two great champions, they are glad it is happening because they want to see Danny Garcia take a beating, I hope Garcia does really well, and if and when Golovkin vs Alvarez happens, I hope Alvarez does really well, hopefully that would kick them out of the fanbase of this great sport. I think the sport needs great unification fights like this, I can't wait.

That's true, they both look like they are in the same position. Why not fight each other. I was very happy for Eggingtion when he beat Gavin. I wanted him to win but I thought Gavin was going to win. I'm happy I was wrong. I'm glad Eggingtion was able to bounce back from the Skeete loss. Wonder where Frankie Gavin will go from there?

I always fall for the trap. When a promoter or fighter says they will fight the fight everyone wants, I always jump to conclusion and think the fight will happen. It's very misleading to do that. I like Eddie Hearn. He seems like a guy who loves the attention, and genuinely cares for his fighters. I like that he does interviews with his fighters, and puts on big fight cards on skysports. I think Joshua beats Haye but not in 2 rounds. Maybe later in the fight in my opinion. I hope Joshua and Price fight. I remember Price was saying he knocked Joshua out a long time ago and it will be interesting to see how both of them progressed since then. I predict a Joshua knockout. I really don't want to see Joshua fight Molina. I agree with you it is unproductive and I don't feel the need for that fight to happen. It's just pointless and I will be disappointed if that fight is made.

I can't wait either. Those are both great fights. Who are you rooting for in those two? I'm rooting for Thurman and Jack. That doesn't mean I won't be upset if they lose I just like Thurman and Jack better than Garcia and Degale. I hope they both do well in their fights.

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It wasn't an easy fight to predict, because it's outcome was always going to depend on so much. It's very hard to say, the Eggington rematch is a good idea, but I think he'd lose again, I've believed for a long time now that he's one of the most overrated fighters in this country, I remember when he was unbeaten, he said the only guys out there who could beat him were Mayweather and Pacquiao, he specifically said he'd beat Maidana and Porter, I'd seen him fight, and not been impressed, he's struggled against British title level opposition, and been in trouble against poor opponents, I was never a fan, and when he fought Bundu, and lost, I was proved right.

I don't blame you, it isn't just hear say when a promoter says something is going to happen, it is very convincing. Absolutely, I think he's friends with all his fighters, I think that from watching him on YouTube, in IFL interviews. The fight probably won't happen. Yeah well, it doesn't surprise me, like I say, both can be hurt, both can find themselves in trouble relatively easily, but both are great warriors, and great athletes, which makes the fight very exciting. It would be really annoying, because these years of a fighters career, they're valuable, it really irritates me to see prime time frittered away.

Me too, and yes, agsin, we are in total agreement, it will be interesting to see whether Garcia rises to the occasion, and shows us his best, because if he hasn't shown us what has to be far less than his best, he's in real trouble, I do believe he's a much better fighter than we've seen evidence of him being, and I think he'll give Thurman a much harder fight than Guerrero or Bundu, but I still don't think he will win, and I also don't think he'll do as well as Shawn Porter. Degale vs Jack is a real 50/50 fight, I think George Groves and Callum Smith both beat both, to me that just shows what a great, competitive division 168 is at the moment.

I think the rematch will go the same way as last time. I heard a lot about Gavins amateur career and said a lot of good things. That's probably why he's overrated. It showed he wasn't world level when he got beat by Bundu and flattened by Brook. It also shows that gap in skill between britsh and world level skill. Brook is definitely a world class fighter.

Yeah. I always fall for it because promoters have the more information than the regular boxing fan. It gives me confidence that a fight will happen and I always forget to think that sometimes promoters do that to promote a fight. The Price fight should happen sometime soon.

It will be interesting to see if he can pull off the upset. He was able to pull it off against Matthyse or Khan. I would like to see how he does against who I think is the best welterweight in the world right now. I really want to see Jack vs Degale as well. Should be interesting. Not sure if groves would beat both of them. I felt if he were to get a rematch from the 2, Jack and Degale would win.

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I think so too. That's pretty much what the situation was, and I think Frank Warren massively exaggerated what had been proven, which didn't help, I thought it was ridiculous when Francis Warren said, 'I think Frankie Gavin beats Amir Khan all day long', after Gavin had just beaten Bradley Pryce, I believe the score was 99-92, against a man who's record is now 38-20, he's never been near a world title, it just seemed like warren was basing his strange opinion on that performance, and the other names on he record, Sacky Shikukutu, Jason Welborn, Curtis Woodhouse (he beat by SD), David Barnes (most dull fight I have ever seen, no motivation on either side), there was no win on his record which convinced me he was able to compete at the top. Brook is far more than just world class.

That is understandable. I like the fight, but Bryant Jennings is a good opponent as well, I wouldn't be disappointed if that fight was to be made.

Me too, it's very exciting, this really is it now, Garcia has to be on form, otherwise he will lose badly, hopefully, he will rise to the occasion, be at his best, and make it a competitive, interesting, exciting fight. Well, you are definitely in the vast majority there, if anyone is getting out numbered, it is without any doubt, me, but I'm not just saying it to stand out from the crowd, or to make it more interesting, I genuinely believe Groves beats them both, and he could be the best 168 fighter out there now, he's definitely up there, he's more than capable of winning a world title.

Even though Gavin might of had a great amateur career, that always doesn't translate to the pros. I can't believe that he said that Gavin would beat Khan. In my opinion, there's no way that Gavin would beat Khan.What does beating a guy like Bradley price prove? If he beat a guy like Kell Brook then that statement would be believable.

It looks like Anthony Joshua is fighting Eric Molina in december. It's a disappointing fight but I guess it's a step up from Breazele.

He has to be on his best to win this fight. If he doesn't get lazy or anything he can make it a competitive. I think that whoever wins Degale vs Jack will be the best at super middleweight, but I still put Smith and Groves in my top 5. Not to forget Gilberto Ramirez, he deserves to be mentioned in the top 5 super middleweights.

What do you think of Bernard Hopkins retiring after fighting in December?

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Barely, I must confess, I'm disappointed, what a load of rubbish.

Absolutely, it is a very competitive division, I hope Golovkin is healthy and physically comfortable at 168 after he's fought (and probably beaten) Danny Jacobs and Billy Joe Saunders.

Ridiculous, the man is 51 years old, he should not be fighting at all, I have an opinion that no boxer over 45 should be allowed to fight, that is just a personal opinion, but I will argue that it is ridiculous for any 51 year old man to be fighting, I understand he considers himself 'special', and if he really is special enough for this final fight to work out well, then great for him, but for goodness sake, what kind of a message does that send out?, I hope Hopkins loses, I hope he gets stopped, most of all, (this goes without saying) I hope he is in good health after the fight, but the reason I want him to lose is because I don't want the public to believe that it is safe for a 51 year old man to be fighting in the ring, and if he loses badly, and just looks really poor, this will help the lesson that I hope this fight will teach us, I just hope that Hopkins is kept safe, because as we've learned this year in particular, it is a dangerous sport.

How do you think Golovkin does at 168 after he's done at middleweight.

Very true that is a good point but I see it differently. I think that he can fight later since he started his career late. He was still able to beat a prime Felix Trinidad and Dela Hoya in his 40's. I think 50 should be the cutoff for when fighters should retire if anything. I do agree he's 51 and shouldn't be fighting though. He's accomplished so much in the sport and I think it's time to hang it up. Hopefully, this is his last fight. I want to see him go out with a win, that would be great.

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I think he beats everyone at 168, I think George Groves would be a challenge, but I think with his magnitude of educated pressure, with his method, with his ultimate power, Golovkin would break him down, overwhelm him, and find the late stoppage, I think Degale would be another challenge, though I think he'd give him different kinds of problems, and Badou Jack, Fedor Chudonov, Gilberto Ramirez, the list goes on, Golovkin vs Smith, that would be an incredible fight, I think in a good couple of years, when Smith improves, is more mature, even more power, and more experience, he gives Golovkin the hardest night at 168. Look at that, 6 opponents at 168 who everyone would love to see face Golovkin, at 160, let's be honest, there are 2, that isn't including Saul Alvarez, or Chris Eubank Jr, who has been so disappointing this year.

Yes, that is true, but that only means so much, and in my opinion, that doesn't need to come into it when we're talking about a man fighting in his late forties. Yes, he was, and that just shows, the point you made about age in boxing, sometimes, being more about how long you've been fighting and just what it's taken out of you rather than just how old you are, but I don't think it's enough of a factor in the health and ability or inability to fight safely of a champion. We've been saying that for a long time though haven't we? I understand why you want to see him win, but I want to see him lose, because although he's a a great champion, a great sportsman, we all like him, and we want to see him do well, if he wins, what kind of message does that send out?, that it's alright for a 51 year old man to be fighting at this level, I don't think that is good for boxing, I hope he loses, but comes out the fight 100% safe and well, which I think he will do.

I would like to see Golovkin against Groves or any of those other big names at 168. His pressure/ability to cut off the ring is a very underrated tool of Golovkin. Most people that don't like him say that all he has is power, and I think that is ridiculous. Yes he has crazy power but his ability to cut off the ring is an underrated tool. It is very useful if you are fighting a fighter that uses a lot of movement. When do you think Golovkin moves up to 168? By the way, I think Chudinov is a very underrated fighter. I liked how he fought in the second sturm fight, it's unfortunate that he didn't get the decision.

I think this should be his last fight but I want to see him go out on top. I think he's going to lose. I really hope Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr retire soon.

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Absolutely, it's not just that he's so strong, it's how he uses it, educated, hardcore pressure. There's no way most people say that, idiots out there come in big numbers, but it depends where you look, big number, small percentage, the again, there seems those out there who really think that, it should be common knowledge that he is far more than just a puncher, he's a phenomenal boxer, I thought his beautiful performance which started off predominantly the jab, against Lemiuex, would wake these guys up, but obviously not. Yes, because you can use that against then, push them back, be the ring general, keep the fight on your terms, make them do all the work, drain them, that's what Saul Alvarez tried to do against Miguel Cotto, it worked to an extent. I don't know, whenever he feels it necessary, I think a year from now would be a likely time, then again, if Jermall Charlo moves up to 160, that fight could be made, what a fight! Me too, he's very underrated, well, that's putting it mildly, he got robbed blind, he won that fight by at leads four rounds, I had him winning by six, it wasn't even close.

Me too, do you understand why I want to see him lose?

Yeah the way he uses it is a huge part of his gameplan. I see some people say that about Golovkin and it is ridiculous. They say he's all power and it's all nonsense. His power helps him out a good bit but he can box well. He did a great job against Lemieux. His jab was great in the fight and he broke him down round by round. A lot of people from what I heard people were saying this is going to be a competitive fight and it wasn't and those same people called Lemieux a bum. I heard after Jermall Charlo fights Williams, he'll move up to middleweight. I like the move and he could do well there. Also I heard Chudinov is replacing Arthur Abraham to fight Martin Murray. If that is true I would pick Chudinov to win.

I see why you want him to lose.

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It's through lack of willingness to learn, not a lack of intelligence, but a lack of observance perhaps, it's not such a serious issue when it is just casual fans who don't take their own knowledge seriously, but when people in the boxing world, fans who claim to have heads full of knowledge, and boxing writers insinuate that Golovkin is just a puncher, it is awful. His power is an extreme attribute, but, it's one of many, he's a phenomenal ll Round boxer, not just his amateur record but his amateur achievements back this up, and his amateur background isn't the only evidence of his technical ability. It was always going to be interesting to see him against Lemiuex, because Golovkin had never faced a puncher of that level, well, not publicly anyway, and with the immense power of Lemiuex, we knew Golovkin could punch, and we knew he was durable, but we didn't know just how durable, and nobody knew just how good an all round boxer he was, Lemiuex may not be the best technician in the world, but he's so dangerous, and so durable, he's also great at using his power in the right way, a great pressure fighter, a good counter puncher, well, decent, but it was more a question of whether Golovkin could make it a certain kind of fight, and once he'd done so, could he out box Lemiuex in style, and that jab, that was brilliant, the way he made the fight all about the jab in the early rounds, that was very impressive by any standards. Golovkin is known for taking a lot of punches, he takes a lot of punches on purpose in a sense (which is something I highly criticise him for), but against Lemiuex, he was very rarely hit, and when he was caught, he was able to ride and manage the shots, he was never caught 'flush' you my say, he gave the Frenchman absolutely no free shots, at all. The just shows, those buffoons aren't worth a second of your time, they don't want to be impressed, and they never really allow themselves to be. To those who were knowledgeable, Golovkin vs Lemiuex was (in theory) a bit of a battle between two big punchers and one great technical fighter, we knew they could both bang, but we knew Golovkin was extremely likely to be able to outbox Lemiuex, but not vise verse, and we knew Lemiuex had to make it his kind of fight, he couldn't allow Golovkin to find any kind of rhythm, and if he had been able to make the most of his power, the we wondered whether or not he had the power to trouble Golovkin, we knew that if Golovkin was able to make it technical throughout, he was going to win, he was the heavy favourite, but Oscar De La Hoya predicted Lemiuex to win by stoppage in 5 rounds, it was a very interesting fight, and in my opinion, a master class from Gennady Golovkin. I know, absolutely, obviously, at 160, there Golovkin, who I think Charlo is good enough to challenge, there's Billy Joe Saunders, Danny Jacobs, and Andy Lee's still around, I think he got nowhere near enough credit for his great performance against Billy Joe Saunders, he lost, but he made it a very close fight in my opinion, I still think Golovkin vs Lee would be a great fight, not the most popular, but a fantastic, interesting fight. I want to see Chris Eubank Jr step up in class soon, and hopefully, see him lose, obviously his father is so intelligent, he won't let his son take on any challenges, but soon, they are going to have to remind themselves of the fact that in this game, at this level, you have to take risks.

He is facing Chudinov, and I think Fedor would have the beating of him, but he's facing his brother (at least I think they're brothers), he's not facing Fedor (I'm assuming you know he's the Chudinov who beat Sturm twice), he's facing Dmitry Chudinov, a good fighter, at a certain level, he was undefeated going into the Chris Eubank fight, but he lost quite badly, I gave him a couple of rounds, and boy oh boy he withstood some punishment, I remember being unimpressed with the referee's decision to let it go on until the last round, I would have liked it to have been stopped in round 9 at the latest, I remember Eubank unloading his most deadly combinations on Chudinov, and the Russian keeping coming forward, I remember him gesturing to the crowd, as if to say 'oh come on my what have I got to do to get this guy outta here?', that was the same night Fury beat Christian Hammer, who just beat Erkan Teper. I think Martin should get the win over Chudinov.

I would be happy for him if he won, to be fair.

I think it can be a cas of extremism to. These guys hate Golovkin so much that they refuse to believe anything good about him or have an open mind. Like he's more than a puncher. His extensive amateur background should prove that. I was always interested in seeing Lemieux vs Golovkin. Lemieux is always a threat due to his power. It's just that Golovkin is on a much higher level then Lemieux and made it look easy. You were right he didn't give up any free punches against Golovkin because he knew he has a lot of power and is threat if you mess up. I hear a lot of people say Golovkin takes to many punches but after the Lemieux fights, they didn't say a thing about him taking no punches. Lemieux is not the type of opponent to take lightly. That prediction of Dela Hoya was ridiculous in hindsight. He didn't land many clean punches on Golovkin that night and didn't win any rounds. I really want to see how Charlo stacks up at 160. I think that he can have a good campaign at 160. When do you think Eubank will get in the ring soon? I know he was injuried but it can't be that serious.

Ok he's fighting dimitry chudinov. I thought he was in a different weight class than murray. I thought it would be Fedor because I knew they were at the same weight class.I think Murray would beat Dmitry but would lose to Fedor.

Also it's offical that Joshua is fighting Molina. The only good thing is that Whyte vs Chisora is on the undercard. Possibly Luis Ortiz to. I find it wierd because he's fighting Scott soon and they put Ortiz on the Joshua vs Molina fight poster.

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I think that's true as well, and that leads to unrealism, and exaggeration. That's just another example, they like to make something out of nothing, they like negativity, if there is an opportunity for destructive criticism, of there is an opportunity for praise, they're not bothered. I don't know actually, I always struggle to criticise any prediction, because anything is possible, and to be fair to De La Hoya, with a puncher of that magnitude, and someone who's durability is questionable as to how he deals with shots he doesn't see coming, and an opponent who isn't used to not having everything hsi own way, you can see the puncher is a risk at the very least, Lemiuex causing the upset was unlikely, very unlikely, but not so very unlikely that it would have been impossible for to have won without there being a serious factor, those kind of upsets, well that would be upsets like Rod Salka beating Danny Garcia, or Dominic Wade beating Golovkin. No he didn't, it wasn't a mismatch in my opinion, but there was a large gulf in class, it was evident. He didn't I win a round, although he did quite well in the mid rounds, there was at least one round when Golovkin only just won it decisively, and the pressure of Lemiuex really got to him. It's not a convenient division to be in, because you've either got to fight somebody who you beat, but don't get a great deal of credit for fighting, and rightly so in all fairness, or you can be great but still lose to underrated fighters like Saunders and Jacobs, I think Charlo would do well at 160 even so, because he's a great fighter, and if he was comfortable at the weight, why not? I have no idea, when his 'tennis elbow' heals, I'm with Frank Warren on that one, 'new balls please!', haha, what a nasty, horrible, man, throwing jibes at a warrior with far more guts than him, and taking a digs at him for being pulled out a fight against one of the most dangerous fighters of the world at the same time as having a broken eye socket, I think he gets beaten by Saunders and Jacobs.

I agree, I can't wait to see Chudinov in the ring again, he's 29, but he's a young 29, and he seems to have a lot to give to the sport of boxing.

I don't have anything against Anthony Joshua, but I'm starting to lose respect for him, now, 2.-3 fights ago, Eric Molina wouldn't have been a bad opponent for him, a lot of experience, been in there with Deontay Wilder, went 9 rounds with the champ, not a bad fighter, knows winning a lot better than he knows losing, not the kind of guy a puncher wants to over exert themselves against, and it is easy for a puncher to do that against him, but now, when he and his team are talking about the really big fights, and he's a world champion, he needs to be stepping up, and fighting the all round better opponents, he's getting credit for being a world champion, when he's defending against unworthy opponents, you have to feel for the Furys, after they won the real world heavyweight championship, and didn't get anywhere near enough credit from the general public, I don't understand why Joshua and Hearn took the Molina fight when they could have taken the Bryant Jennings fight, or even better the David Price fight, if we compare Joshua to a couple of the other heavyweights, take Joseph Parker for example?, who's the favourite to win Joshua vs Parker? (if it is to happen), who has more 'hype' surrounding them?, Joshua this year fighting two genuinely poor opponents, one absolutely woeful, and another badly over matched opponent, and Parker has fought 4 times already this year, two of his opponents being Carlos Takam and Alexander Dimitrenko, the other two opponents he fought are probably of a similar level to Martin and Breazeale, I really want to see Joshua vs Parker, I know who I'll be rooting for. I think he's just possibly fighting in what is a bit of a 'warm up fight' perhaps, I much preferred the idea of Ortiz vs Takam to Ortiz vs Scott, the biggest difference is, Takam is far more limey to be able to withstand Ortiz's power for a lot longer. Takam vs Duaphas is a great fight.

Sorry for the late response, I was busy all day yestarday. I hate all the negativity in the boxing community. I noticed this more in boxing than other sports. I think as fans of this sport we have to appreciate the fighters that put a lot of hard work in everyday and risk their lives when they enter the ring. They don't have to like all the fighters, but at least respect the risk these fighters take everyday. I meant to say that it was a huge gap in class and he made it look like a mismatch. Golovkins jab was great in that fight. I think if Charlo moves up, he would lose to Saunders, Golovkin and Jacobs. I think he can do well against other opponents at middleweight. You are right, you can still be a good fighter and lose to top fighters. I would like to see Charlo vs Eubank or Quillin at middleweight. Those are 2 options I like. I hope that Eubank Jr comes back soon, he's a very entertaining fighter. I do want to see him step up in competition soon maybe in 1 or 2 fights. Fight someone like Andy Lee or a rematch with Saunders.

I'm a big Anthony Joshua fan. He's my favorite current fighter at the moment, but I want to see him fight better opponents. I will give Anthony Joshua this though. I think Eric Molina that is a step up from Dominic Breazele. I feel that Eric Molina will give him a tougher fight then Breazele. Although I'm disappointed he chose Molina I think he can give Joshua some problems. He has enough power to. I believe that Fury didn't get enough credit for winning the heavyweight belts. They said it was a fluke and everything and then they turn around and praise Joshua like he's the greatest for winning a title. I don't understand it. I want to see Johua vs Parker so bad. I'll definetly be rooting for Joshua in that one.

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I've already typed up a reply, but unfortunately I lost my content before I could submit. You were nice enough to acknowledge your reply was late, I'm very sorry mine is buddy.

No worries, busy time at work?, if so then you're doing what I need to be doing, I'm trying to find work at the moment.

It's not good, I think maybe one of the reasons why you see this in boxing relative to other sports, is the fact that the fights are very negotiable, fans are let down often, fights don't happen often, well, you know, fighters don't fight often is what I mean to say, I think people have unrealistic expectations, I think the fact that fights are built up so much individually, and because fights are something where you need to savour the event, and not take what you can see for granted, people want what they can't have, and when a schedule is so unpredictable, there is going to be disappointment, and when people can't appreciate the great fights which they do get to see, they're jot going to enjoy the sport, I think these are all reasons why there is so much negativity in the sport of boxing. Another reason for all this ungrateful talk from boxing fans, is the fact that in a sport like baseball or basketball, it is pretty much inevitable, that the fans are all watching it purely because they enjoy the sport, but with boxing, a lot of fans watch it to relieve anger, or maybe just because they take an interest in anything violent. Boxing is such a great sport, that the negativity is defeated in my opinion. A lot of people don't care about that, they don't really care of somebody they don't like or care about dies. That's exactly what needs to be the key to being a real, mature boxing fan who helps the sport. I know, and I agree, me not agreeing it was a mismatch was just me being picky with words, mismatch or not quite that, it was very, very one sided when it lasted, and Golovkin made it one sided with the weapon of the jab, and that should have convinced everybody he 'could box'. I don't know, maybe, it's very difficult to say, right now, you might think predominantly experience would be the biggest factor in either of those fights, but Charlo is improving not rapidly but not to gradually either in my opinion, he showed he could box against Trout, and won that fight decisively, we always knew he was a big puncher. I think people shouldn't forget what a great victory any kind of win over Austin Trout is, with the exception of that torrid night against Erislandy Lara, when he wasn't himself, come on, what a threat he could be to anybody, he beat Cotto, very comfortably please, looked great that night, and he could have gotten that decision over Saul Alvarez, he would join Floyd Mayweather in being the only guy to have beaten Canelo, I thought he was great in that fight, I think he beats Lara in a rematch, and hey, a Canelo rematch, I don't think that's a bad idea, not at all. I think it would be very interesting to see Charlo at 160, I just think, if he doesn't get to fight Jacobs, Golovkin, Saunders, what is there out there for him?, some decent fights, but nothing spectacular, I wonder of if Jermell is also planning to move up to 160. I wonder how Quillin will prosper under the instructions of Virgil Hunter, I think that's a great trainer choice for him. Eubank's problem is, he's so nasty, and he doesn't deliver at the level he should be delivering at this stage, he talks the talk, but he doesn't wall the walk, a bit like Rigondeaux, he's so horrible, and disrespectful, and he doesn't make the fans want to see him fight, because of the level of opposition he faces, when this happens, the fans will understandably forget about him, now, Joshua is like this to an extent, in that he is not making the effort to fight opponents who are up to optimum, bit he doesn't paint himself as some kind of villain, so he can get away with it. I think Andy Lee and Billy Joe Saunders both beat him, Saunders quite comfortably. That's interesting, I would have seen where you were coming from there a year or so ago, but why not step up now?, at this stage of his career, although, the other middleweight at this level have stepped right up to the top, why shouldn't he?, since losing to Saunders, he's fought Tony Jeter and Tom Doran, two fights of 5-6, which were a complete waste of time, now, if he had fought stronger opposition on those nights, then there would be no doubt about the right option being a big fight like the Saunders rematch, next

That surprises me a lot, obviously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and favourites are 100% subjective, there's no right answer, there's no wrong answer, but Joshua would have to achieve a lot more and show a lot more champion's class to be a favourite of mine. Of course you do, he should do just that, but I'll tell you the reason why him fighting below optimum opponents is so stupid in my eyes, for goodness sake, will he be ready for Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Wilder by the beginning of 2017?, no, still no!, had he defended his title against Duaphas, Jennings, or Takam, or any opponent of that level in June, lost some rounds, struggled, learned, developed, grown in maturity, and now signed to fight David Price, or Dillian Whyte again, and come through, then I believe yes, he would be at the very least ready for the big names in the division by 2017, but you see, he hasn't proven himself at a respectable level, which is what separates him from Fury, Parker, and Wilder, what I'm saying is, I'm annoyed at the time wasting more than anything else, he won't learn from beating Breazeale and Molina, it's unproductive, I'm not having a dig at him, I'm annoyed on his behalf in a sense, although he isn't blameless, he could have fought Jennings or Price, but he chose to fight Molina, that's not right. I understand why you think that, because of the experience, the potential unpredictability, the victory over Adamek, but I don't agree, he may be marginally better than Breazeale, but that's not enough, and I don't think he's step up from Breazeale, I will happily commend you of you're right, because I won't claim to able to determine the events of the future, but I don't think he'll give Joshua any problems at all, I think he my give Joshua a very slightly tougher fight than Breazeale, but barely, I think he will have more success, but get stopped earlier, I think maybe round 5, possibly earlier, I really hope Hearn and Joshua didn't come up with some Eubank-Saunders/Quigg-Frampton/Pacquiao-Mayweather like idea that they beat a guy who Deontay Wilder has already beaten, but beat him better, to convince fans they are better than he is, that is fine as an added bonus and something to take into account when questioning a winner, but to take a fight purely on that basis, is petty, time wasting, and a way of praying on fans' gullibility. Breazeale had a big KO ratio, Joshua has faced a lot of fairly big punchers in his career, but it's one thing to face an opponent with a lot of power, and another thing entirely to fight someone who knows how to use their power. That's crazy in the eyes of anyone who understands boxing, but to the fans who follow boxing for all the wrong reasons, it's a different world. Joshua hasn't really won the world title, I like him, I think he has the potential to, if he does, I'll be very happy for him, but he hasn't done it yet. I'll be rooting for Parker on that one, no doubt in my mind about that, I'll tell you what though, because you're a pal, I'll be happy if Joshua beats Parker. I have little against Joshua, it's not that I don't think he's right up there with the best already, because I do, it isn't that I don't think he's worthy of a bucketful of respect for his achievements, because I do, I just think he should be proving what he's really made of, and just how good he really is, and for crying out loud, that means stepping up, he could put Martin, Breazeale and Molina away in 3 consecutive weeks and I don't think that would teach us anything. I really hope Joshua competes in a challenging fight soon, and thrives, because he's very talented, and it would be a shame of he became an example of wanted talent, there's still plenty of time though, and I don't think that will happen, only time will tell.