Paul Williams vs. Erislandy Lara Scorecard by glassjoe


scorecard by GLASSJOE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
PAUL WILLIAMS
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
108
ERISLANDY LARA
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
120

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I'll be the first to do it but I honestly don't think Williams won a round. Throughout the entire fight Williams was caught and beaten by monstrous left hands. The only rounds I almost gave Williams were 4 and 5 but I didn't for 2 reason. In the last few seconds of round 4 I was about to give Williams the edge, but in the lest few seconds he got nailed again by the left and was hurt. Sure Williams controlled the action in 5 but he couldn't do anything at all with it and still was getting tagged unlike Lara who was blocking and making him miss all night long. After round 8 Williams was finished and Lara caught his second wind and kept coming and nailing him with shot after shot. By the time round 12 hit Williams knew he was finished and tried to make an offense but he was so tired and beaten that he couldn't do anything. Williams knew he lost and so did his trainers. Otherwise they wouldn't have told him he needed to talk Lara out. Absolute robbery and in my opinion even worse than Canelo. At least in Canelo you could make a case of him winning 115-113. In this you can't and those judges shouldn't have been suspended but terminated.

There is a rumor though of Lara defending against James Kirkland later this year and if he does I hope its judged fairly. Or Lara just knocks him out. Or maybe Kirkland wins I don't care as long as it's fair.

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I'm actually quite surprised that you didn't give Williams a round, I respect your judgement Alex and I'm not arguing with you but I disagree that this fight was a robbery. If you saw my scorecard you will see that I didn't score the fight for Williams I scored for Lara but by a much thinner margin. What you should remember is that Lara didn't do very much at all in some of the middle rounds, I thought that Lara was very tired by about round 3 and he did so well in that last round. I personally believe that it was within Lara's capability to win this fight clearly but he just didn't do enough if what he could do. How spectacularly Lara boxed in the first round just shows what a bit more pre fight fitness training could have done for him in this fight. Interesting that you didn't give Williams round 5. I thought that was a pretty clear round for him, mind you I can totally understand you giving every other round to Lara. I personally disagree that this fight is a robbery. I suppose boxing scoring would be quite boring if everyone agreed about every fight.

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Come to think of it I did see this fight a while ago, I definatley said that case that Lara throw enough punches to win could be made, I might have said it was a draw. In that case I do agree it was a robbery. But it's more likely I said that Lara bossed out 5 rounds but there are like 6 rounds that Lara is capable of taking but he is just standing there for most of the rounds. I thought Lara looked great in spots but he wasn't busy enough. If he had upped his work rate then I bet you wouldn't have even considered giving him rounds 4 or 5.

One other point I will make is one that I think you will agree with. Lara looked half Williams's size. That makes it much harder for him but he should gone to the body more, that would have tired out Williams even more. Lara is a much better boxer than Paul Williams I think we can both agree. What Williams didn't do to win is a case of couldn't whereas for Lara it was a case of didn't.

I re-watched rounds 4 and 5 to be sure and I still stand by not giving them to Williams. Williams was winning round 4 at first until he ate some big left hands at the end of the round. Quite simply the left hand is the story of the fight and Lara's left hand did more damage than any of William's shots. In round 5 Williams got hit with some big shots early and the rest of the round not much really happened as they were both hitting each other at close range, but never did I feel as though Williams atoned for what happened early in the rounds.

I personally think Lara is an extremely underrated boxer and I believe that he fought better in the Canelo fight than he did in the Williams, mainly for two reasons. One is because he had more movement and two he looked less tired as the fight progressed. I believe Williams in this fight didn't show much boxing ability in the sense that he never once made in any adjustments to protect himself, especially since in the fight prior to this he got knocked out by Sergio Martinez and everyone was shown the blueprint of how to beat him. Williams however never made any changes to his boxing style. That's just how I look at it though and believe me I fully respect your opinion.

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Lara is definitely underrated, I think we both agree, I just think that nobody has seen him box as well as he could which is so frustrating. I think that we both scored this fight fairly, we favour different styles, I favoured activity but if I didn't care about clean punches landed then I would have give Lara about 3 rounds or maybe less, that would not be a fair score, if you didn't care about activity at all then you would have given him every round without considering giving Williams any, I personally like that active style of fighting.

I know what you are going to say, "any idiot can throw punches that miss and it is only the landed punches that can be at all impressive", In my opinion, if one fighter walks into the ring, throws 20 punches and lands 2 of them with all his other punches hitting nothing that is different to having your opponent on the ropes with his guard up hitting his arms and gloves in an aggressive way, using some to split the guard, not landing the majority but setting up clean punches, do you know what I mean by that?

When I watched the fight I was never under the impression that Williams was too much for Lara at any point of the fight, I was just thinking "what the hell is Lara doing? He just needs to up his activity because right now he is not putting enough work in.

If I'm not mistaken you prefer accuracy whereas I prefer activity, provided the punches aren't all hitting thin air, I have scored many fights in the past based on good accuracy though, to be honest I think that it should only be a case of activity or accuracy if the fighters land the same amount of punches or at least a very similar amount, I think the 3 most important departments in the ring to determine who won the round should be the superior landed count, who landed with the more telling punches (which could mean more forceful and hard but also more eye catching, accurate and worthy of more credit) and who was more effective, also if one fighter lands say 18 punches with a lot of snap on them and his opponent lands 25 with less power then it becomes a case of quantity or quality, I'm assuming you prefer quality, I prefer quantity, I know Lara landed with the more punches with a lot of power in every round, I just personally felt that Williams's activity kept Lara quiet in some of the mid rounds.

I've seen Sergio Martinez KO Paul Williams and I thought it was mint, I believe that Sergio Martinez should probably retire, I think he has nothing to prove, he could be the biggest warrior around in boxing today. Cotto vs Golovkin who wins? I believe Cotto would narrowly outpoint Golovkin.