EYE ON THE RING YOU SCORE THE FIGHTS

Sat, 2020-08-29 21:09

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

Knew there was no way Postol would get the decision even if he could have got it, good tactical fight but Ramirez was frustrating. Couldn't close distance well and cut the ring off consistently. Hopefully, Taylor vs. Ramirez is next if Taylor gets past Khongsong but I'd be confident in picking Taylor to beat Ramirez between this and the Zepeda fights. Postol should get another chance versus someone at PBC, he made a good account of himself here. Andre Ward did an awful job commenting this fight, talking about the "story of the fight" type of stuff, means nothing for who is actually winning rounds. He also did the classic thing awful judges do and had Ramirez way too far up in the beginning so he packed rounds for Postol in at the end to make his card close.

Thu, 2020-09-03 02:56

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

Toothbrush, check, shaving kit, check, Postol's late rounds, check.

I didn't watch on ESPN, so I didn't hear the commentary, but I was surprised how many people gave round 11 to Postol, and I thought more people would have given him the last round, they might have been influenced by the commentary.

Fri, 2020-09-04 04:03

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

Haha, well you did yourself a favor by not watching the ESPN version, the commentary was bad as I mentioned. I believe boxingscene had 11 for Ramirez and 12 for Postol as well. I don't know if you were paying attention to the swing rounds but I thought the range of scores could be from 115-113 Postol to 116-112 Ramirez, so I wasn't mad at any of the official scorecards but I knew Postol wouldn't get the win. What did you think about the range of scores?

Fri, 2020-09-04 06:25

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

Rounds 1, 4, 9, 12 definitely could have gone either way, I don't know about 3 and 10, round 9 was the one I especially struggled to score. I think they both won less than 5 clear rounds, and at least 4 rounds could have gone either way, it's not that I think 116-112 for Ramirez was definitely based on bias, certainly not incompetence, it's just that it's a fairly wide card in a very close fight.

I think when a judge is neutral, gives fighters credit for different styles, he's unlikely to give every swing round to one fighter, I believe that in a fight with razor right rounds like round 9 in this fight, if you've edged one fighter in 2/2 or 3/3 of those rounds, you should give the round to the fighter you haven't already given the benefit of the doubt to, I'm not talking about giving a fighter a round he lost because he tried or deserves ore rounds because of sheer effort, I'm not talking about sympathy rounds, I'm talking about rounds you can't find a good reason to split, the rounds judges give to the champion because they can't find any other reason not to score it 10/10. I think we have different opinions on how common swing rounds are, I definitely think there were more than 3 swing rounds in this fight.

Sat, 2020-09-05 05:20

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

I couldn't see scoring it 116-112 either, but I think it is a legitimate scorecard even if it doesn't represent the fight. I would have to watch the fight again, not saying there are only three swing rounds but people should not score wide outside of that for the reason you outlined below.

I agree, I think we have had this discussion before, theoretically, a card could be 120-108 and all of the rounds and the fight were close but went to one fighter. I don't know what I said before but I don't think that is a good way to score, what you are saying makes sense in terms of the scores representing what actually happens in the fight.

What do you think of the fights this weekend? Seems poor in my opinion but I like to watch Ugas and I think Nelson vs. Ware could be well matched.

NF82

Sat, 2020-09-05 06:01

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

I don't agree with you two on that scoce doesn't have to represent the whole fight boxing scoring it's rd by rd that's the rules

Sat, 2020-09-05 09:38

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorec1ard by Gold

I'll try to be clearer on what I mean. I don't mean losing a round but making it close, I mean when a judge struggles to score the round, and looks for a reason not to score it even, and in that case, give the round to the fighter you scored the other swing rounds against, I think that's a better reason than giving the round to the champion.

For example, I'd already given Postol rounds 1 and 4, I thought those were the 2 swing rounds in the first 8, I'd have given round 9 to Postol if he'd nicked it, however narrowly, but the round was 50/50 in here, and I struggled to score it, so instead of scoring it even, I gave it to Ramirez, not because he'd been competitive in general, but because the two swing rounds I gave Postol could just as easily have gone his way, and I think if anything, this makes the scorecard align with the round by round system.

We can agree to disagree, but do you see where I'm coming from?

Sat, 2020-09-05 11:44

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

Something we should establish when it comes to the scoring discussion is the difference between narrow rounds and rounds you look for a reason to score, because those are very different scenarios.

I agree, not a great weekend of boxing, but it's not a bad month. I agree, good step up for Nelson from his first 15 opponents, do you think Ware is a tougher test than Kilic?. I think Ramos will be competitive, won't get schooled for 2 rounds like Barrionuevo, but I think he'll get stopped, Ugas does damage to head and body, is a complete fighter.

Edit
I confused Kilic with another fighter, I know he beat Ware comfortably, I watched the fight. I think it's unlikely Ware will give Nelson more problems than Kilic, but it's still a step up from all his other opponents.

Sat, 2020-09-05 14:46

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

Yeah, I agree, different scenarios.

The Charlo's PPV is great, very excited about that one. Yeah, I think Ware is below Kilic but like you said, better than the rest and it is a decent matchup in terms of level. I hope Ugas shows urgency and tries to get him out of there, I think it is possible he plays with him over twelve rounds but I predicted a late KO/TKO for PCOM and that's what I think will happen. I don't know how Ugas made 140, he looks really filled out at 147.

Sun, 2020-09-06 02:26

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

So am I, struggling to make a prediction for both the Charlo fights. I think it will depend on what Ramos does, if Ramos tries to be clever, or is gun shy, I think Ugas schools him, but I think Ramos will take risks, force the fight, and that's why I think Ugas stops him, because he'll take a lot of punishment as he tries to attack. I thought the same thing when I looked on BoxRec the other day, he's definitely big at 147, I didn't know he'd fought at 140, but he seems to be the stronger fighter when he fights at 147, Porter struggled to back him up.

Sun, 2020-09-06 05:50

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

I have a feeling Jermell will beat Rosario clearly, I think Jermall vs. Derevyanchenko is a really close fight, but I think I'll favor Jermall being able to keep him off and negate Derevyanchenko's work rate. As you said I think it does depend on Ramos as well. Did you catch the clip of Bam Rodriguez from last night's card? I had heard of him before but I don't think I've watched him, seems like someone to look out for at 108.

SalTnutZ1

Sun, 2020-09-06 06:50

Re: Jose Carlos Ramirez vs Viktor Postol Scorecard by Gold

He’s good, little brother of Joshua Franco. Good output, footwork, looks to have good power. I’d like to see him against one more contender level guy before pushing for a title though.

Sun, 2020-09-06 09:23