James Degale vs Caleb Truax Scorecard by mike25


scorecard by MIKE25
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JAMES DEGALE
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CALEB TRUAX
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So what did you make of the fight?
End for Degale? Rematch? How much did Truax impress you with the win?

I liked the fight. I think he should rematch Truax if he wins, if he loses he should definitely retire. Truax impressed me a lot with the win, he was able to bully Degale most of the rounds and landed a lot of good punches. Going in I expected this to be a tuneup fight for Degale, and Truax didn't come to just be a tuneup, he exceeded that at least in this fight.

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I wonder if maybe he wanted it more, I think he was certainly in a better place mentally. Yeah I think it's a mistake to consider an opponent a tune up or warm up, it is the way certain opponent are looked at, some call them banana skin fights which champions have, they overlook the opponent, because they're other inexperienced and struggled in victory at a low level, or they have been beaten a few times, when the fight actually comes, it is a different story. A bit like what happened with Kovalev against Chilemba, Saunders against Akavov, where it nearly goes wrong for the champion, and of course, as we saw with Degale vs Truax, it can actually backfire.

Some champions are so dedicated, so determined, they wouldn't overlook Connor McGregor, haha, but seriously, Linares won't train easy for Gesta, Crawford didn't train easy for Molina.

I think he was more motivated. Truax was talking about hearing them lay out Degales 2018 plans and that motivated him to beat him. That's the problem with tuneups, you can't overlook them and I would imagine that it would be easy to at times.

Exactly, some champions take every challenger serious, even a guy like Mcgregor who is easily beatable they wouldn't over look.

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Maybe a good way of explaining my take on it, is that it is like climbing everest, or a mountain under half the size, if you train to walk up everest, you climb it, you'll make it to the top, you train for a mountain half the size, and think about it from that angle, when you climb it, it could go wrong. Pacquiao vs Horn might have been a bit like that, Horn actually called it, "Pacquiao mountain", but if you're Pacquiao, besides not realising your own decline, if you've beaten Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Ricky Hatton will come in the past and we're once considered the biggest threat to Floyd Mayweather Jr, why would you doubt your chances against Jeff Horn?, and more to the point, why go the extra 100 miles to be the best you can be for the fight? The difference between the two ways of thinking (a champion training as hard as Pacquiao did for Horn, and as hard as Horn did for Pacquiao) is bugger than it seems. It's very easy, life is short, boxers know they risk their lives, they want to make the most of the time they have with their families. I remember when Vitali Klitschko fought Odlanier Solis (on the same day, I saw a car fly off the road and land upside down), it went on for only one round, Klitschko was furious a the time, I wondered why, but now I see, it was because he had trained at 100%, and for what? To beat a guy he could have beaten with much less hard work, more time with his family, also, a lot of time, it isn't the fights which really, really take it out of fighters, it is the camps, that's what I learned from listening to Tony Bellew talk.

A lot of it is also because they enjoy it, they are perfectionists, they get obsessed with correcting the smallest of mistakes and flaws, and also, it is disrespectful to an opponent, the opposite of a testament to your sportsmanship, if you do what Broner did before the Malignaggi fight.

That's a good analogy to be honest. I would put Pacquiao vs Horn in that same category as Degale vs Truax. Not a lot of people were picking Horn to beat Pacquiao, including me. I really think Pacquiao trained hard and took Horn seriously, I think it was more of him being on a serious decline. I noticed it in the Vargas fight, after like the 6th or so round he took over. He looked really declined but was still good enough to beat Jesse Vargas, and I thought that would be the case against Horn. That would be frustrating, training all that time to fight that would end quickly. I think that's why Mayweather carried Mcgregor, I think he thought that it would waste his time and the fans done if he washed him in one round, so he let it go on for a bit. Another thing on that fight is people brag about how Mcgregor landed more punches then Cotto or Pacquiao, the thing was Mayweather (rightfully so) viewed Pacquiao and Cotto as threats so fought him different then Mcgregor. If Mayweather fought Mcgregor like he did Pacquiao Mcgregor wouldn't of landed 20 punches. Sorry for that rant I just thought of that the other day.

That's good to do. It makes you a better fighter, and it doesn't make you content, and think you are already perfect.

What do you think of Lawrence Okolie vs Isaac Chamberlain? I like the idea of two prospects going at it. It's cool in the U.K. you see plenty of top prospects fight, Like Joshua vs Whyte, Fury vs Chisora, Groves vs Degale and so on.

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Joseph Parker, Horn and his team, and the odd Australian here and there, I think that's it. You might be right, I do think Pacquiao has always trained consistently hard, so it wasn't o often a case of training particularly hard for an opponent or not do, but still, you are probably right about him taking Horn seriously maybe a bad example from me.

I think he wanted to give the fans a money's worth, I don't think he really trained hard for McGregor, he didn't want to be at his best, McGregor is a bum, I just think Floyd got frustrated because he remembered how fit he felt at 29, couldn't believe how low he McGregor'gas tank was, couldn't believe how little power and how incapable of translating it, McGregor was, he overestimated McGregor I think, a lot of people thought Malignaggi said McGregor wasn't all that because he was bitter, but in fact, he told the truth. I rant on that all the time, McGregor didn't land any genuine punches, anything he did land, bounced off Mayweather's face, and most were blocked, I don't think many people realise how easy the fight was for Mayweather.

It is the fighters who really want to be great, who are perfectionists, they put in the extra hours, they are extra hard on themselves. Mayweather often talked about how much of a perfectionist he was when training for a fight.

Great fight, but I could not care less, whether Okolie is going round to Chamberlain's for tea tomorrow, or Okolie is planning on robbing Chamberlain's house as revenge for him throwing a brick through his window, I have no interest in hearing them hurl insults at each other, all I'm interested, is the fight, but as for the fight, I think it is a great, competitive rivalry, a great match up. Yeah, great rivalries, all of them.

How do you think Horn would do against Crawford?

I didn't know Parker picked Horn over Pacquiao. I think it was more of Pacquiao declining then overlooking his opponent that made him lose to Horn. I think Degale vs Truax was a good example of overlooking an opponent.

That to. I heard stories of him spending time at his nightclub rather then train, and he didn't do much sparring during the Mcgregor camp. The fact that Mayweather carried him showed how bad of a boxer Mcgregor really was. I had people tell me I only picked Mayweather to beat him to sound like I know everything and that I never gave Mcgregor a shot. Turns out I was right the whole time, that was the easiest fight of his career, and the funny thing is he could've made it way easier and still win. I honestly believed it was insulting that people gave a fighter that never boxed before a shot when all time greats in the sport could'nt.

Mayweather talks about not wanting to fight, and not liking it I think he secretly does. He's always training even now.

I like the fight. I didn't know there was such hatred between the 2. I'm definitely rooting for Okolie in this fight since I've watched him since his debut. I think it's cool to watch a fighter from the very start and see how their careers progress. I think Okolie will stop Chamberlain late. Hopefully Okolie gets his revenge in the ring instead of out of it.

I think it will be a one sided beatdown by Crawford. I believe Crawford is levels above Horn. What do you think.

Garcia is fighting Rios and Thurman is fighting Vargas, what do you think of those fights?

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He didn't want to be good for the fight, McGregor sucks, I'm 99% sure I'd kill him in a long distance race, I can throw more punches than him, I'm 0-0, I've probably got better technique than him too, that's what people should have learned before the fight, sparring, work in the gym, it keeps you sharp, the difference it makes to you as a boxer, is positive, but only fighting is real experience, nothing beats it, is is the same for everyone, I can do all the workouts, shadow boxing I want, until I fight, I've done nothing, like McGregor, in boxing, he's nothing. I almost broke my hand on a wall the other day when I read what Steve Bunce said, "McGregor gave Mayweather a boxing lesson", interesting, Tony Bellew, a guy who has actually been there, seen it, done it, unlike fat boy Stevie, said what everyone else who knows boxing said, Bellew's words, "McGregor'punching was horrendous, Mayweather could have stopped him in one round", and he's a McGregor fan, in terms of being a UFC fan that is, being a fan of McGregor as a boxer is like being a fan of me as a mathematician, I suck at Maths.

No no haha, none of that stuff really happened, as far as I know LOL, I was just making my point, I was sort of using metaphors, expressing my disinterest in the trash talk, but interest in the fight. To be honest, I'm leaning towards Chamberlain, I do not mind who wins.

Well for a start I think Horn will gain more respect, more recognition, more glory on defeat to Crawford than in any of his wins. The weight could be a small factor, Crawford was a huge lightweight, he was at 140 for a long time, but still.

Horn is relentless, light on his feet, he can punch, he's awkward, he can really fight on the inside, great lateral movement, he has the heart, stamina, but Crawford I think is simply on another level, his precision, timing, defence, use of his power, it sets him apart. I think Horn could give him a lot of problems for 4 rounds, maybe even build a lead, a but like Gamboa, but I see the tools, talent, adaptability of Crawford pushing him through, taking over by round 6. I think Horn would be competitive, even when behind, but I think it would be a painful night for the current WBO champ, and Crawford would stop him, maybe in 11 rounds.

I don't think the latter is confirmed, but still yeah great fights, especially Garcia vs Rios. I'm surprised Thurman is fighting Vargas in his next fight, I expected him to take it slightly easier than that, but credit to him for keeping his consistency in tough competition. I think Rios could pull off the upset, does he want it more than Garcia, could be a really key question. What are your thoughts?

His stamina is terrible, I noticed that in his ufc fighting days. People don't realize that there's more to boxing then to throw a punch and to knock your opponent. There's strategy involved, if your first plan doesn't work you find a plan b and so on. With Mcgregor making his pro debut, he wouldn't have the experience to find a plan b or anything too complex, and I think people should've known that. Expereince is very important in boxing, and in sport in general. The more you're around the more you pick up as you go along. If Mayweather really wanted to, he could've stopped Mcgregor in one round and honestly I think he should have just to show how much of a mismatch it was, but I understand you have to put a show on for the fans.

Ok, haha that's good. I like the rivalry, but I'm more interested in the fight. I want Okolie to win but won't be upset if Chamberlain.

I agree on that.

Oh yeah for sure, those are great attributes to have. I think that Crawford is a level above and will adapt to whatever Horn tries to do. I think it'll be one sided but Horn might catch Crawford and have a solid moment in the fight. I think it'll be a 7th round stoppage for Crawford.

It's a good return fight for Garcia. I like the fight because it's not too tough for Garcia, and it's a chance for Rios to try to regain a buzz.

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He refuses to run, I'm sorry but I can't respect a boxer who doesn't run unless they have good reason not to and have a good substitute, but if they do not have the dedication it requires, then in boxing, 'they suck'. McGregor doesn't actually have a pot of power, that is what's funny. It's everything, just like anything else, nothing beats experience. He couldn't do it though, it was a terrible fight.

I usually hope the less well known fighter with less hype, a smaller name wins personally, I just think it is good for the sport in terms of broadening fans' perspective on current fighters in boxing, but that's just me. I don't mind that much, but with more thinking, I think Okolie will win, I give Chamberlain a good shot if it goes past 4 though.

I would be very interested in seeing that fight, I hope it happens.

I'm not sure about that, I think Rios is underrated, he might want this more than Garcia, if so, we could be an upset. Rios is training like an athlete, getting up early every morning, living the hard life, doing everything right, will Garcia be the same after the Thurman fight? One thing I'll say, is that if Rios wins, Garcia vs Porter is ruined. Do you think he beats him wide? , stops him?

When athletes can't physically do an exercise they'll find a substitute. Boxing is a sport where if you aren't dedicated it will cost you a lot. Mcgregors power was really interesting to evaluate. In UFC, he has pretty good power, then in boxing he really didn't have any. I actually enjoyed the fight more then I thought I would, I loved the finish by Mayweather, and I loved rubbing it in when he won to Mcgregor fans. I know it seems rude but they were real dickheads in the leadup to the fight and it felt great being able to rub it in.

That's a good way of putting it, I sometimes do that to. For me I'm going with Okolie because I've watched his career the whole way so far, and it's cool to root for a fight you been watching since their debut. I do like Chamberlain though and will be happy if he wins. I think a rematch would be cool when they are more polished pros.

I hope so to. I hope we get to see Crawford in high profile fights at 147.

I think Garcia might have more tools to beat Rios. But I mean, you could be right we don't know how the Thurman loss effected Garcia. It could be a learning fight and improve a lot or he could've lost a lot of motivation from it.

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I don't know anything about UFC, but my understanding is that it is nowhere near as competitive as boxing, there aren't as many levels, and it requires less experience, skills, not saying it is Street fighting, just what I gather from the small amount I do know. Ultimately, you my hit hard in UFC, but in boxing, you have to translate the power you have in the right way, and that is extremely hard, it takes years to develop that ability. Yeah but that's just about seeing McGregor get beaten, I get that, but it was a joke of a fight, and I think it should never have happened, I regret buying it. Haha, pal, if that makes you a bad guy, I should be behind bars, no you should enjoy gloating when McGregor fans have been spouting their nonsense.

I don't know, just difference of opinion I think really. Yeah yeah sure if everything goes well in their careers.

Well the Horn fight makes sense for him, because even though he beat Pacquiao, and he is undefeated, there are flaws, things to capitalise on, we are talking about Crawford here, so yeah I think that I'd a great option for Crawford, not a 50/50 fight, not a very hard fight, he'd collect a belt, but his opponent isn't a bum, he could push him, bring out the best in him.

I'll say this much, Rios, wants to win! Then again, Rios was a world champion at 135, I still question what kind of an athlete he is at 147. Rios is a phenomenal inside fighter, he fights with his face, his physique is deceiving, he might look like a fat kid, but his work rate is very high, sustains that high pace for a long time, his variety is great, he has a shot against Garcia, but it is a very big ask, I don't think he has what it takes to b at the best Danny Garcia, in all honesty.

There's some skills in UFC that are very hard to learn. Like wrestling, it's hard to learn a sport like it. I enjoy ufc but it's second to boxing. The thing about boxing is that there is more that goes into a punch then just throwing one, there's technique that goes in to throwing a punch.

That's true.

I think the Horn fight is a good first fight for Crawford at 147. He fights for a belt, and it's not a really tough fight. He's not a bum, but I'm saying he's not a top dog like a Thurman or Spence.

He does have a high work rate, I wonder how Garcia will handle it. Physique doesn't mean as much as people think in my opinion. Tyson Fury is the best example of that. I give him a good shot against Garcia, but I think Rios comes up short.

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I can really discuss UFC, you know more about it than me, anything you say, I'll take your word for it. Turning over a shot properly, twisting it, throwing it in a way which keeps you mobile, without throwing an arm punch, it is not easy I'll say.

I think I rate Horn slightly higher than you do, but we have similar predictions for the Crawford fight.

Thurman said recently, that Garcia couldn't beat Porter over 12, he doesn't have the output, and that could be a factor in this fight. That's right. I agree, but we'll see, I think Rios could win for a number of reasons, he has a great chin, Garcia doesn't have the same power at 147, Rios is relentless, in your face throughout, unless you are able to do what Pacquiao, Bradley did, and make it about movement, but Garcia has slow feet, he can fight, he can box, absolutely, he is a counter puncher, and a bit of a dog in the trenches, just like Rios, but he isn't a boxer mover, and we saw Peterson, Thurman made his head around explode with frustration in that regard. Honestly, I think against a well prepared, conditioned 'Bam Bam', he won't gas so easily, you are heavy footed, how can it not be a really hard fight?

It's a sport I enjoy, but it's nowhere near boxing for me. But yeah, throwing a punch in boxing isn't as easy as one thinks.

I think so to. It's not I think Horn is bad, just that Crawford is too high of level for Horn.

That could be a factor. The thing is with me Rios, has been more motivated and in better shape then he was in the Bradley fight, and he can give most fighters a tough fight. And I don't think Garcia has good movement like Pacquaio used to have, and bradley. So Rios won't be troubled all night by that, this is a more winnable fight for Rios then people think, but I expect Garcia to get a pretty impressive win. No cherry pick for Garcia whatsoever.

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I know, and I agree, but the gap, in in my opinion, is narrower than in yours, it will be interesting to see the fight, assuming it happens.

He'll need to be adaptable, he's a counter puncher, he's talented, he's experienced, and I think he'll edge this one, but it is a risky fight. Rios is the underdog, but no more an underdog than Truax as against Degale, Ali against Cotto.

Selby vs Warrington who you got?

I would like to see this fight happen.

Garcia shouldn't underestimate Rios in this fight. He is an underdog but not any worse then Truax or Degale.

I got Lee Selby, what about you?

Also what do you think of Usyk vs Bredis?

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I'd consider it highly likely.

Yeah I think Selby too, I do not think he is as good as a lot of the British media say he is, but he is still a slick, skilful fighter who can box. I think Warrington has been made to look better than he is, the venue of the fight is terrible, I'll tell you robberies, sports injustices, they happen at Ellend Road, that dump!!

I think Giant Lomachenko has more overall skill, talent, and I think he has adapted to professional boxing very well, but Breidis may be the second best in the division. You?

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I'd consider it highly likely.

Yeah I think Selby too, I do not think he is as good as a lot of the British media say he is, but he is still a slick, skilful fighter who can box. I think Warrington has been made to look better than he is, the venue of the fight is terrible, I'll tell you robberies, sports injustices, they happen at Ellend Road, that dump!!

I think Giant Lomachenko has more overall skill, talent, and I think he has adapted to professional boxing very well, but Breidis may be the second best in the division. You?

I think so to. Arum is anxious to put Horn in there with Crawford, and I'm thinking Horn is the more realistic fight.

I haven't seen a ton of Selby, but the work I have seen of him is pretty good, I knew he got off the canvas to beat Eric Hunter. Hopefully, whoever wins is the right one and not a robbery.

I agree with all with what you said. Usyk has more skill and talent. I think either Gassiev or Bredis is second best at crusierweight though. My preditction is Usyk by decision around 117-111 to 118-110.