Sat, 2018-10-06 07:58
In 2003 Garcia was fighting at a national junior level, so he was 16 at the time, and everywhere I've seen says he started as an amateur at 14.
Just because you don't understand the US amateur boxing scene doesn't make it true. He beat Mikey and Danny Garcia as an amateur, there are only a finite amount of spots on international traveling teams for each country and the US has the most amount of amateurs competing for that number of spots.
Beat a variety of regional titlists, a world title challenger and a former world champion in Barrios before fighting Salido. You said he fought nobody before Salido, Barrios is not a nobody.
Because of stuff like Fury punching himself, his style basically being a one-off in Heavyweight history, etc. Fury was such an underdog versus Klitschko because Klitschko was making the 19th defense of his IBF title lol.
Exactly, he never faced anyone before Thompson, and when he did go up to gatekeeper level he got sparked.
Tue, 2019-01-01 07:02
Sat, 2018-10-06 12:23
http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/mikey-garcia No need to make stuff up, and I couldn't care less what Fat Dan has to say, he's irrelevant to this conversation. Maybe instead I should listen to the cheerleaders on Sky Sports? If I did, I'd think Bellew has a chance to outbox Usyk, which I don't even think Bellew would say.
As I said, it is much harder to make the Olympics in the US, would you say someone like Badou Jack is a good amateur just because he represented Gambia in the Olympics and likely didn't have to do anything to get that spot? Almost every good US champion never fought outside the US as an amateur.
Mikey was moving up as a prospect, that's what you expect good prospects to do, go from beating regional titlists to world title challengers to former world champions. So what else do you want? Him to win world titles before winning world titles? Crolla was not a prospect before he fought Perez, he was just a domestic level fighter, he had already had a lot of issues on a domestic level. If Barros was not a good world level fighter, then Perez and Barroso are legitimate bums.
People simply didn't believe his style would work at a world level, and he obviously was not at his best when he fought Jennings and Fury, but he still beat Jennings wide, won at least eight rounds. Old man Wlad was still good enough to go life and death with Joshua. Fury beat Chisora before 2014 who gave Vitali the hardest fight of his championship reign, so no need to exaggerate.
I really hate this line of reasoning with Price. If it wouldn't have been Thompson, it would have been someone else. Someone else using steroids doesn't give Price terrible defense, terrible stamina and a terrible chin. Those are his own negative attributes and why he has never been a world level fighter. We didn't have any reason to believe he was a world level fighter either, and it is better to assume he isn't good until proven otherwise.
Sat, 2018-10-06 13:52
He was 14 in his first amateur bout, turned pro at 18, four-year amateur career. Don't see how I'm a liar.
They are extremely biased, that's why everyone they have on is British to promote British Matchroom fighters. Once a world champion, and now he is a cheerleader, they aren't mutually exclusive.
It's not even about levels. If someone is a good amateur they will be more likely to be a good pro than someone who is not, but that doesn't mean a bad amateur can't be a good professional.
Browne got floored multiple times, arguably lost, arguably should have been DQ'd, can't get in the ring for a title fight because of his out of the ring problems. If they are better than Barros list off who they've beat.
He struggled relative to his usual level, for any other champion winning eight rounds or more is not struggling. Fury won 9 rounds or more, how'd he look like trash? Don't know why you'd bother to dispute that Chisora did better than anyone else during Vitali's second championship run. Vitali essentially didn't lose a round during that championship run and Chisora gave him his hardest fight. Fury beat Chisora twice, so that's not true.
If Yafai and Browne are good, lets see them get in the ring and prove it. For Whyte, lets see him beat a world level opponent without knocking them down with a headbutt.
Just excuses for Price, his chin gets exposed because of his trash stamina and defense. He's a glass cannon. Just making irrelevant arguments because you know you are wrong.
If you can't have the discussions without getting mad about them, why respond?
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