Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao Scorecard by TalesFromTheCrypt


scorecard by TALESFROMTHECRYPT
Round
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2
3
4
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6
7
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10
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Total
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
10
9
9
9
10
9
10
9
9
9
10
9
112
MANNY PACQUIAO
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
116

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Acerbitas's picture

Why did you think Pacquaio won ? Most (myself included) thought Mayweather won but I would be interested to hear your take.

TalesFromTheCrypt's picture

I feel the cards were stacked against Manny from the beginning. From the biased announce team, to the bogus punch stats, and ridiculous scorecards. I've watched this fight 4 times (3 in regular speed and one in slow motion). Floyd was getting a blow job by the announce team, and I believe was credited for "ring generalship" for the slow pace of the fight. Both fighters reputations played heavily into the fight. I believe if Manny all but killed Floyd, than he would not receive any credit for rounds. It wasn't going to be enough in the eyes of the judges if Manny outboxed Floyd. Manny had to beat the shit out of Floyd to win a round. I believe Manny definitely outlanded Floyd and I don't believe the punch stats for one second. Punch stats are subjective, guesstimates at best in my eyes, and should be taken 24 hours after a fight with several experts viewing in real time and slow motion. Compubox numbers for this fight was an absolute joke. They claimed Floyd landed 34%- there is no way, no way in hell he landed that accurately.

Anyway, back to my thoughts on the fight... I didn't see Floyd land any significant punches in the fight at all. When he did land, they were "tapping" jabs. I don't recall any power punches landed by Floyd either. He usually resorts to potshotting him opponents as of late but he wasn't even landing that. He doesn't even attempt to throw combinations anymore and wasn't in this fight either. It looked to me like Floyd fought a scared fight. The funny thing is, I believe if he took it to Manny he would've won the fight with Manny's shoulder injury. Floyd looked scared to me to engage. I believe Manny did not get credit for the defensive wizardry he displayed against Floyd in this fight. I know he wasn't landing a great percentage himself, but he did make Floyd miss more than he missed himself. If I had to guess the percentage Floyd was landing, it must've been around 10-12 percent.

A lot of the rounds were close rounds. I thought Manny obviously gave away 2 rounds where he looked like absolute shit, which were rounds 1 and 5. Rounds 2-4 I thought he outlanded Floyd and landed the more effective punches. Some of his punches actually pushed Floyd back. He was countering beautifully all night long and slipping Floyd all night. Manny definitely outworked him rounds 6, 8-10, and 12. I just couldn't believe the announce team. They never gave Manny a fair shake. Overall I thought Manny looked shit offensively, but Floyd was just clearly worse to me. Manny was also the better defensive fighter in this fight, as I don't recall Floyd landing any significant punches, rallies, or significant power punches. Manny worked the body, and was able to swarm Floyd several times during the fight and land some punches a la Maidana in the Mayweather/Maidana fights. Floyd was a little excessive in the holding, I felt like the ref should have stepped in more and been shown his authority.

All in all, at first viewing I had it 7-5 Manny, the next times I had it 8-4. First viewing I thought it was boring, but the viewings after that I was able to appreciate the masterful defensive showing Manny displayed that night. Floyd never hurt Manny ONCE in the fight but I believe Manny hurt Floyd a few times.

TalesFromTheCrypt's picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6tkjRHJcuY&list=PLFMDItk4fZoM5B8QagzPkO...

You should check out this guys breakdown of the fight on YouTube. He's slowed down the fight and counted the punches for each fighter during the fight. Very interesting videos of the fight.

Champion97's picture

I very much admire your willingness to justify your scorecard rationally and I think it is great that you stand by your opinion, respect to you.

A couple of things I will say in favour of your scorecard are one, that you are right, Manny hurt Floyd in round 4, but Floyd never once did anything to make Manny pay physically, he never bothered him with anything, at all, and two, although it was clear that Manny was the much naturally smaller fighter, it was also clear he was the physically stronger of the two, and he pushed Floyd back, but the problem was that he was doing it with missed punches, and getting tagged on the way in by counter punches from Mayweather.

Do you buy the whole shoulder injury theory? I do, I thought Manny seemed a little off in round 1 he as you said 'looked like shit', I wouldn't blame nerves, I would blame a shoulder injury.

Ultimately, just because your scorecard is different to other judges like mine and Acerbitas's this doesn't make you an inferior judge, and we would never try to convince you to change your score, but I'm sure you know this and don't need me to explain it to you, your scoring for this particular fight is very different to ours, not better, not worse, just different, but I honestly think that this is what makes boxing so interesting.

Acerbitas's picture

I have watched precise presenter before, he is very biased towards Pacquaio and gave him a few punches that didn't land. Also did he not cut out some of Floyd's landed punches ? I have to disagree I thought Floyd did win convincingly nevertheless I respect your opinion and you make an interesting case. I agree that Floyd was getting a blow job from the announcing team and that the cards were stacked against Pacquiao.

^well said Yoda.
I watched the fight in slow motion, and if you are capable, I suggest you count for yourself instead of trusing those bias videos. My count had Mayweather at roughly 120ish to Pacquiaos 85or 90 tops. the other thing that I noticed is a majority of Pacquiao's punches did not land well. Vintage Mayweather. He makes you look bad. Mayweather landed alot of nice (not hard) but nice punces at the side or top of manny's head and the precise presenter didn't count them for whatever reason. Those were shots that Manny clearly reacted to. Alot of Manny's shots were barely landing. Some lunging shots on floyds shoulders or his stomach even. It's interesting to watch. To me honestly watching it in slow motion proved how Mayweather deserved the nod more then anything else.

One thing to take into account is the three judges WERE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANNOUNCING TEAM. That is a no sh*t statement. The judges were watching it live. As far as the pace of the fight, I think it was just a mistake that Roach and Manny's team made. They studied mayweather and knew that Mayweather's two biggest strenghts are speed and counterpunching (better then JMM). they wanted to slow it down and let manny's more powerful boxing approach win the fight. I found myself saying out loud "what is he waiting for??!!" Even though I am not particualry fond of manny (in terms that I believe he is overrated in some ways) I was fine if he won this fight because Floyd is not my favorite boxer in terms of quality of his fights and watching him get knocked out would of been amusing.

I think you have to look at what both fighters are doing when judging a fight. Alot of the really hard core Manny fans were salivating whenever Manny looked good and forgot that Floyd fought a pretty clean, well paced, mistake free fight. Not the best floyd I have seen by a mile but I think it was a better fight then alot of his other recent ones in terms of him being assertive. I think Lampley and Bernstein were pleasantly surprised and they have watched both fighters long enough to give us a fair shake. Jones Jr. was kind of the guy Pac fans were really annoyed by, Roy has never been that high on Manny and did a lot of "I told you so" or "this is why he is losing" kind of stuff. They knew manny was up against a lot and I think Manny didn't really go balls to the wall to try to win like he should have and could have. It was an example of a slightly inferior opponent just fighting to try and keep it close and see if the jduges give it to him. What's kind of head scratching about it is Floyd has never been known for much punching power, so why was manny so afraid to fuck floyd up? Was he worried about getting hit hard or maybe just counterpunched really bad, idk? Miguel Cotto went after floyd with really hard punches, in the process fell behind on the score card but he didn't respect Floyd as much as Manny did, Oscar didn't, Maidana didn't. It was not what I was expecting to see.

Champion97's picture
TalesFromTheCrypt's picture

For me, I didn't see Floyd landing at all really. In the youtube video the guy actually didn't count a lot of Pacquiao punches and actually scored punches for Floyd that I didn't see land to remove the bias from his scoring. The maker was obviously a Pac fan, I'm not disputing that, but I didn't see Floyd land anything significant. Again, I didn't see him landing combinations the way Manny did. I'm fine with your score... I guess we just didn't see the fight the same way. What I saw was a strong defensive effort by both men. What won the fight for Manny in my eyes was that his defense was much better and he actually hurt Floyd several times throughout the fight.

TalesFromTheCrypt's picture

To say the fighters cannot hear the announcers that's wrong... Roy Jones himself has said that fighters can hear exactly what the announcers are saying because when he fought he could hear them loud and clear. Judges are sitting ringside, so if the fighters can hear them so can the judges.

TalesFromTheCrypt's picture

Here's video evidence of Floyd talking to the announcers ringside during one of his fights.

https://youtu.be/SaXwwpKIoi4

RJJ has said himself he can hear everything the announcers say during his fights. Remember the announcers have to speak loud and clear when speaking into their microphones so that the viewing audience at home can hear them over the crowds.

this is all bull crap man. You have to score fights practically and not give Manny every AND conceivable and inconceivable benefit of the doubt. I think Manny did less then mayweather without question. He did barely anything in some of the rounds you gave him and your response is always going to be "oh what did mayweather do..." look up what a punch means while you are at itnothing in some of the rounds you gave him and I didn't see many great combinations from pacquiao in that video. just barely clipping mayweather most of the time. Swinging at air and gettin potshotted to the point where you are just ignoring it. Announcers do not impact the judges. there is evidence of Floyd Mayweather Sr. saying in the corner before the 11th. round "man,floyd mayweather losing, really?" Jr. said "AM I LOSING?" he didn't know the exact scores of every round like you are saying. and once again, the annoucners have not effect on the three judges scorecards... compubox and announcers are gravy in boxing, the potatoe is what really happened.

TalesFromTheCrypt's picture

I have looked over your May/Pac card. I see you gave Mayweather round 8. This round Manny is clearly outlanding his with clean shots. Your comments earlier about Mayweather landing more than 120? Please show me a round where he actually lands 10. I'm posting videos of the rounds in slow motion. The user who posted this video has time stamped each of the landed punches. Take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JTD2qiLU2Q

You also gave Floyd Mayweather round 9 with his "tapping" jab and not to Manny who again was landing the cleaner punches:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBswyjCIpfY

And you also gave round 12 to Mayweather who only landed 2 punches in round 12, a round where Manny landed more than double Mayweather:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55QpK39EuU

You claimed you counted Mayweather landing roughly about 120 punches on Pacquiao. Please show me proof of him landing more than 70.

Champion97's picture

Finally someone else sees that Manny won that last round, Mayweather did nothing.

Champion97's picture

Very interesting you mentioned that (Floyd being told he was losing and that he was ' fighting scared') if it was after round 10, then it was smart from Floyd Mayweather Sr and it worked, I thought Floyd had his best round of the fight in round 11, and that round really sealed Manny's fate, although I will say one thing, Pacquiao doesn't respect Mayweather, and I doubt respect had anything to do with Manny not letting his hands go when he was expected to.