Firepower: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto Scorecard by mike25


scorecard by MIKE25
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MIGUEL COTTO
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What did you think of this performance from Manny Pacquiao?, I thought it was awesome, one of his best.

I think this is Pacquiaos best performance to. He looked unstoppable this fight.

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In all honesty, I don't know which I believe was his best performance, but in my opinion, his most recent performance is up there, I thought he was more impressive against Bradley in there third fight than he's been in years (I believe Bradley has improved massively since joining forces with Teddy Atlas), it's so interesting, because his physical attributes certainly aren't what they used to be, but he's improved in other areas.

I was really impressed by his perfomance against Bradley the third time. I still think he had his best fight against cotto though. Did you watch the Mosley fight last night? I didn't see it but I think its time for him to retire.

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You had to be really, given the improvement in Bradley, I thought it was a one sided fight in all honesty, I think Pacquiao's reputation will be further enhanced by Bradley's success in the future, I think Bradley is absolutely brilliant, and he will have plenty of opportunities to prove it, I would like to see him fight a decent, respectable, world class opponent next, maybe a Chaves rematch, maybe Chris Algieri, maybe Mike Alvarado, or maybe another opponent of that calibre, if he impresses as I believe he would, then maybe he could receive the opportunity to fight the winner of Brook vs Vargas, Brook vs Bradley has always been a possibility, and a great idea for both of them, and as for Vargas, well, Vargas would surely jump at the chance to have a rematch with Bradley, surely.

To be completely honest, I agree, just about, but it's not an easy opinion to decide on, and I don't have much confidence in that, given the fact that there are many of Pacquiao's well known great performances which I haven't seen, I will watch them, when I get the chance, one I'm particularly interested in analysing, is Pacquiao vs Barrera II, have you seen that fight?

That sounds like a good ideal plan for bradley. Fight some respectable fighters then in maybe a year or two fight Brook or Vargas.

For right now I would say it's against cotto but that could change. I haven't seen some of his other fights and they couldv'e been better than Cotto. I saw the first fight of Pacquiao and Barerra and I still have to see the second one.

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Yeah I think so, it would be a terrible mistake for anybody to underestimate Bradley based on his decisive, comfortable defeat to Pacquaio, and I hope for his future opponents' sake, they don't make that mistake.

With Pacquiao, there are tow different ways of looking at it, are you more impressed by his performances in his youthful days, when he showed us that speed, stamina, drive, hunger, power (generated from speed, leanness and volume), explosiveness, or are you more impressed by him in his later years, when more mature, more experienced, stronger, still possessing his physical attributes from when he was younger, but boxing more intelligent fights, I need to watch and analyse more of his earlier victories before making judgement. On a different, but not unrelated topic, I believe, I don't know (obviously), but I believe that during his long, dramatic, fascinating career, Manny Pacquiao was a user of performance enhancing drugs, it upsets me to have that very strong suspicion, but that's what I believe, I'd love to be proved wrong one day, I really would.

I was really impressed by his career by the later stages but was still a good fighter when he was younger. He really improved on mistakes he made when he was younger. I noticed he was more reckless when he was younger and getting hit more. He showed that he was able to do the things he was good at before like power and speed but not as recklessly. He showed more intelligence and maturity in the later years. I really hope he wasn't using performance enhancers during his career but no one really knows I guess. The power was always there for him but it is a little suspicious to be getting knocked out by lesser fighters then beating the best fighters in the world. On the subject of performance enhancers, what do you think of Lucian Bute's recent faied drug test?

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Absolutely, and people should appreciate that more in my opinion, fans should learn to develop interest in more aspects of the sport. Absolutely, which is great, learning, and not learning too late. I think his early defeats (so early they were often discounted) were due to circumstances, and his inexperience.

Nobody knows, however, there are many out there who believe they know, they have a lot of anger towards Manny Pacquiao, these people are naive, and there is unfortunate amount of them all over the world. I have high hopes that one day, either Manny Pacquiao will definitively be proven to have been innocent, and to have had extremely unfortunate and compromising situations framing him for a selfish, cowardly, immoral crime, or he will be officially and definitively be proven to have been guilty, and at least that way, closure on the matter will be provided.

I think it's very simple, Bute decided to make the cowardly move of consuming an illegal substance, I believe there was no concern of being caught, I think he believed he had disguised the crime intelligently, but he did not anticipate the random post fight drugs test, I'm unsure of whether he knew about the drug test condition prior to the fight, but believed the substance would have left his system by the time he was to be tested, or he wasn't prepared for the test, my assumption is the first of those two situations.

It's over Mike, my friend, we're both winners, it's a draw, shall we say you're the WBA, WBC, and IBF boxing prediction champion of the world?, and me, I'm the WBO, and the ring prediction champ?, haha.

That's the good part of boxing to see progress in fighters.

I don't like it when people are so quick to jump to a conclusion to accuse someone of steroids or anything. Thats a serious thing to accuse something of. I hope to get some closure on the whole Manny Pacquiao steroid scandal to.

That's what I think to. He probably thought that he was in the clear and probably got the drugs out of his system after a few weeks after the fight. There shouldn't be any excuses though because he chose to use drugs in the first place.

Haha congrats on the success on the competition and best of luck to you in June.

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Neither do I, it is always important (when analysing a situation) to consider all possibilities, and leave the option for a plausible and reasonable explanation open, which many haven't been and aren't doing with the Manny Pacquiao (and the possibility that he's was an unclean athlete) situation. I hope so too, I'm hopeful that we will one day.

To me, I find myself stuck between a rock and a hard place when thinking about the reasons why I believe Manny Pacquiao is guilty, because some can say there's no other explanation for some of these puzzles, and I need to be realistic, but at the same time, it should be clear to everyone, that I can not say I'm certain Manny Pacquiao was guilty, and I can't say 'Manny was on PEDs or something similar' as if it's a fact like some (too many) do, so what am I or anybody else supposed to say?, it's a difficult situation, but obviously I have to say, although I have no idea what they could be, there could possibly be an explanation for each of these incriminating situations. I'm no scientist, but from what I've heard, once the human body has completed growth, it has completed growth, and once a fully grown adult is just that, the size of their bones will not increase nor decrease (unless perhaps old age causes a small decrease in height), it is an observation of mine, and to be honest, a clear occurrence, that from when Pacquiao was in his mind twenties, to today, his skull capacity has increased, his facial structure has changed, there's no getting away from that. I have heard that a rare side affect of excessive steroid using, is increase in skull capacity, I've never heard of it occurring for any other reason, in fact, I've been told that there is absolutely no other way this can happen, and some would make humour of me for even suggesting that there could be a reasonable explanation.

Manny Pacquiao has an interesting but (from where I'm standing) suspicious version of events regarding the situation with his alleged injury that was declared to have occurred prior to the fight, he says he suffered an injury (a torn rotator cuff to be specific) in training weeks before the fight, it seemed to heal quickly, Pacquiao and Roach agreed that he 'just wouldn't use my right arm too much in training', he says that himself and his team asked for an injection from a doctor 'not steroids, just pain relief', 'but, we got sabotaged', he says they denied his request to receive a pain killing injection, and because of that, they had no option, he makes a joke and says one person from his camp simply insisted that the fight must still take place, he explains that he 'would have won easy' had he not had the problem of the injury during the fight. There were many things that Manny Pacquiao did not specify when he was asked about his alleged injury, he didn't mention the fact that he asked for not just any pain killing drug, he asked for toradol. Cortisone is a standard, legal substance, is is unlikely that any professional athlete on the planet hasn't heard of it, there are no major side effects, and none of the very minor, predictable side effects could create any temporary change in the physical challenges which your body can overcome (I may ask a local doctor for a shot of it in future if I'm ever injured and have a running event scheduled), the purpose of cortisone is pain relief, and nothing else, there couldn't possibly be any other reason for consuming it. Toradol is not a well known substance, it isn't commonly used, like cortisone, it is an injection, and it relives a person from pain, I highly doubt it is as effective as cortisone though. Like cortisone, toradol carries various minor side effects, but toradol carries more, and unlike cortisone, toradol carries a couple of side effects which could/would unfairly enhance an athlete's performance if taken soon enough before hand, I believe it has a psychological affect, I believe it can give a person an aggressive instinct (it probably prevents them from feeling emotions that they feel when clean, such as nervousness), toradol also causes strong numbness and loss of feeling in certain parts of the body (I'm unsure of which, what it depends on if it depends on anything, how much of the body it causes numbness in, or for how long this consists), obviously if a boxer entered the ring against an innocent, genuine, clean opponent, with this advantage, it would not be fair, because one boxer has to work around the likely distress and discomfort that the successful offence of his opponent can result in, whilst his opponent contains a substance which prevents him from this. Why on earth did Manny Pacquiao ask a doctor for toradol?, I don't think that's an unreasonable question, again, I'm not point blank accusing Pacquiao of the crime in question, I'm simply asking a question, a question that may never receive the answer that should join it. Obviously, no doctor would prescribe an athlete with toradol, for obvious reasons, and as should have been expected by Manny Pacquiao, he didn't get his wish, he didn't ask for cortisone after the rejection, it isn't uncommon for boxers to consume a shot of cortisone when carrying an injury, it is the done thing, unless the injury is too severe to be solved by the commonly used medicine, but toradol, any doctor would be puzzled by that being requested, Pacquiao could possibly have been the first boxer ever to have asked for it. I struggle to understand what the explanation could possibly be, but there must be one, if Pacquiao is innocent, which (as we know) he might be.

Thanks, good luck to you too, I will create the vault, and a new leader board tomorrow.

Did you see Mosley vs Avanesyan?

I'm more weary of the Shoulder injury thing than the whole steroid thing. I just think there was a lot of dishonesty and different stories coming from everyone. Like Manny, Freddie Roach and Bob Arum have different stories of how the injury came about. One was saying that he hurt it back in 09 or something, another said he hurt it during training, and Manny said he hurt it during the Mayweather fight. He also didn't say he had an injury during that questionnaire they had before the fight. I also do not know why he did't ask for the cortisone shot after he was denied the toradol shot. I've never heard of a fighter or any athlete ask for a toradol shot before.

I haven't seen the fight yet but I hear that Mosley lost. I think at this stage of his career he needs to retire. I noticed he slurs when he speaks now and that's just not good. He had a great career but I think that he needs to hang it up.

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I think so too, something I find interesting is the reaction from Freddie Roach, he doesn't seem eager to make a rematch, he seems open to the idea, but he seemed genuinely confused whilst trying to give Pacquiao the right advice during the fight, but more to point, he doesn't seem to want make a meal of the alleged injury, which surprises me a lot, I would have thought a trainer as stubborn, as confident in his intelligence (which he applies to his working relationship with Manny Pacquiao), as enthusiastic as Freddie Roach would be trying his absolute hardest to convince everybody that the shoulder injury was a large factor in Manny's defeat, also, if we look back at cases of injured boxers, during fights, we see their trainers trying to talk the pain away, well, talk their fighters through the pain, give them as much verbal motivation as possible, for example, Tim Bradley sustained a foot injury during his first fight against Pacquiao, and to quote Joel Diaz "forget about your foot, come on Tim, do you want this?, no pain, no pain", between rounds of Mayweather vs Pacquiao, I didn't see any signs of Freddie Roach trying to help Manny work around the pain, I didn't see or heer any references or mention to any kind of injury, this isn't very telling, and it isn't hard evidence given the fact that we didn't see half of Pacquiao's time between rounds, but it creates some suspicion from me.

It is very confusing, and also, not convincing. My theory is that Manny Pacquiao never sustained an injury, and the whole scandal was all about merely plan B for team Pacquiao not to lose face, I believe that after all these years, these of years Floyd Mayweather has been deemed a coward, he has been accused of avoiding a fight against Pacquiao through fear, and disbelief that he would come out victrious in the event that the fight was to take, place, but I believe all along, it has been over one simple little condition from team Mayweather, random drug tests, I believe Pacquaio had the power and the privellage (that he didn't by any means deserve) to turn down random drug tests, but this wasn't the case against Mayweather, and for over 5 years, the deal was from Mayweather 'random drug tests involved, then lets fight, refuse this condition to be in the deal, forget it', I think eventually, Manny Pacquiao agreed to accept random frugs tests, and of course, the fight was confirmed surpisingly quickly, ther weren't months of negotiations, it went from being unikely to ever happen, to being officially confirmed in a very short space of time, which I always found interesting, I believe he agreed to the random drug tests for two reasons,the first one being becausein 2014, Mayweather did not look like the boxing legend he was, nobody (Pacquiao included) reaslised how phenominal a boxer Marcos Maidana was, and his two fairly close, very competeitve, and difficult (for Floyd) fights were put down to Mayweather's assumed major decline, and the other reason being that Pacquiao had a plan, toradol, granted, it's not steroids, and it wouldn't help in the way steroids would, but they would still give him advantages which would increase his chances of winning the fight, he thought that he could receive toradol from a doctor, not to negate the pain of a non existent injury, because that's like washing your crockery after taking them out of the dishwasher, but to give him the advantages he was aiming for, because from his point of view, toradol is a pain relief injection just like cortisone, and if specified in his request, there's no reason why a doctor would give it to him (although that's flimsy logic in my opinion, I don't imagine he had high expectations, given that there are at least three reasons why no doctor would give a a training athlete toradol), I think this was the only drug out there which he could consume from a doctor which would enhance his performance against Mayweather, you can't pass a drug test without having all your consumed substances (if any) permitted by a doctor, so this was his only possible way of getting any kind of substance in his body, and the event that the doctor was rash and stupid enough to give Mannh the drug, he obviously planned to explain to the drug test examiner that he had been given toradol by a doctor, and he would have passed the test, but after the request was denied, he had to resort to plan B, which was to go through with the fight, try his best, and just to save his reputation from too much metaphorical bruising, make the excuse of the injury, but to make himself seem like a humble athlete, and a man who's gracious in defeat, he probably planned to be asked about the alleged injury, rather than bringing up the excuse himself. From where I'm standing, Manny Pacquiao made a very bad mistake in his cunning plan, obviously, after his request for toradol was turned down, why didn't he ask for cortisone to cover his tracks?, because a fighter that has an injury getting turned down on the request for toradol, and then asks for cortisone as another option is far more convincing than a fighter asking for only toradol and then giving up, yes the first is still a bit shifty, but it's not nowhere near as suspicion raising as the latter of those two.

My theory is just that, a theory, and I don't know anything for sure.

I think so too, I don't think his return to the ring was a bad idea, but it is important he knows where his boundaries lie, and what his limitations are, he had a great career, a fighter in his forties onwards can stay in good physical condition, and stay active, without fighting.

The whole Mayweather fight was disappointing from Pacquiao. From his performance to his actions post fight. It was embarrassing. First he said he won the fight and then all the shoulder injury stuff. Freddie Roach knows deep down that a Mayweather rematch is going to go the same way. I remember Joel Diaz telling Bradley to fight through the pain, never saw it for Pacquiao though. Through the Mayweather fight I never had the thought in my mind that he was hurt at all.

I definitely agree with you about why he brought up the injury. For 5 years Pacquiao had people believing he could beat Mayweather and that Mayweather was a coward for not taking the fight and he came up short. That probably bothered him so he came up with something to make it look like he didn't let his fans down. I mean I like Manny but it's hard to defend things like this.

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I'm really glad it happened, I was genuinely unconvinced that it would ever take place, but Manny Pacquiao really disappointed me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, the fans (his fans) lodging a lawsuit against him was very telling. I didn't either, bemused?, yes, lost?, yes, out of his depth?, yes, nullified?, yes, injured?, or in any significant amount of physical distress?, not at all.

Just out of interest?, and I respect your opinion (whatever you believe), but do you believe my theory is accurate?, and if not, where do you think I'm incorrect? Of course, we may never know for sure, and I would love my strong belief in Manny's guilt to be proved false one day.

Same, I'm glad it happened to. It was good for their legacies for fighting each other.

I think your theories are pretty accurate. We can't really say for a fact that he did or didn't take steroids for right now. That's the most fair way of looking at it. And your theories of the shoulder injury is very accurate as well.

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We can't know for sure, I really hope one day, we will be definitively informed as to whether or not Pacquiao is guilty of committing the crimes I accuse him of. I have high hopes that one day some opinions will become facts, and others will become incorrect, I really hope my opinion is proven to be wrong one day.

Thanks, but what I meant was, do you actually believe he was a user of performance enhancing drugs?, do you believe he was a clean athlete?, or do you have no idea one way or the other?

I have no idea one way or another. I hope he's innocent though.

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I hope so too buddy, my heart says he's innocent, my head says he's guilty.

By chance are you watching Vargas vs Salido this weekend?

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I might do, it's in the prediction vault, which I've started but not finished yet. Do you have any scorecards for fights that you can't score on here?

It should be a good fight. I have some scorecards but I want to wait until they get added.

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Yes. Oh right, fair enough.

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Computer decided to double my comment.

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By the way, have you seen the PCOTM leader board recently?, me and you are joint top, do you have a prediction for tonight's fight?, it's the last fight of the month (that's in the prediction vault).

Aren't Tony Bellew and Callum Smith fighting tonight? But that's great about the leaderboards.

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I wasn't aware that Callum Smith was fighting tonight, if you're right about his participation in tonight's bill on SkySports that is. Tony Bellew is fighting Ilunga Makabu for the vacant IBF cruiserweight world title tonight, that's the main event, can't wait.

It said on his boxrec page that he was fighting today and it was on the undercard of the Bellew fight.

It said on his boxrec page that he was fighting today and it was on the undercard of the Bellew fight.

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Oh well in that case you're right, it's probably just a low key bout, merely to keep active, which is a very good thing, I can't wait to see him step up even higher in class, he's got serious talent, he's a great, humble sportsman outside of the ring, I would love to see him dominate the super middleweight division one day, I'm almost certain he'll be a world champion within his next 3 fights, I believe he's the best in the division already, there isn't a single undeserving or even slightly overrated super middleweight champion out there in my opinion, and they're all a challenge for anybody, but I believe Smith has the bearing of them all, something I find so fascinating is the advantage he has over many other world class contenders, he has three older brothers, (one of which is a very intelligent, knowledgeable pundit), two of the three have narrowly lost out on a win over world champions (because the Pedraza fight was very close, and you could make a case for Paul Smith beating Abraham the first time), Liam is a current world champion, so as I'm sure you can imagine, the advice he's getting and the support, (behind closed doors) could not be better, because both Paul and Stephen know when p's the right time for him to fight for a world title, they know the mistakes to implore him not to make, they know how to give him the guidance he can benefit from, which is a great thing.

It was an 8 rounder for some reason, and he fought someone named Cesar Hernan Reynoso and won by 6th round stoppage. I really liked his fight against Mohoumadi. I would like to see him step up in competition as well. It would be interesting to see how it plays out. A fight with George Groves would be a good match to see next if Groves wins his next fight. The fact that he has the other brothers helps him a lot. It will help them learn from each others mistakes.

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An 8 round fight was probably the most sensible option, and the fight going 6 is good, it's great to get the rounds in, I think the point of the fight was just to get the win (which is always a good idea), and stay active. Paul and Stephen Smith also fought and won on the bill. I'm really happy for Tony Bellew, I predicted him to lose, he made me eat my words, and I'm glad to have to eat them, he beat a genuine potential world champion in Makabu, and made a massive statement as well accomplishing his dream.

When you put it that way it sounds sensible. I was confused because I thought he had the European title and championship fights go 12 rounds. Also that's great for Bellew on winning the world title.

What's your thoughts on the possibility of Errol Spence vs Leonard Bundu?

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I'm certainly not against the idea, I like Errol Spence, I believe he has great talent, has the potential to become a super champion one day (even in the most competitive of weight divisions). It is clear to me that Errol Spence is improving rapidly, and he is benefiting from experience efficiently. Spence is at that stage of his career when he is stepping up in class, to the extent that his opponents become fighters who have beaten world class contenders, and have lost few fights, and (with the exception of unfortunate verdicts, and defeats which are so early we can discount them) have lost only to the those who are arguably the best on the planet, Chris Algieri is an example, having defeated Ruslan Provodnikov, and having lost only to Manny Pacquiao and Amir Khan, this was a massive step up from opposition of the calibre of Alejandro Barrera, Phil Lo Greco and Chris Van Heerden, and what a fantastic performance that was from Spence, not only being the first to stop Chris Algieri, but doing it clinically, professionally, explosively, and boxing very well up until that point, winning every round, and making every round one sided, the step up seemed to bring out a far better boxer in him than we had seen during any of his past fights, although, those who confidently rate him more highly than Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter and Kell Brook should acknowledge the fact that all this 'hype' as many people like to say, is based on one fight, and Errol Spence still has a lot to prove. In my opinion, Lanark Bundu is a slight step down in opposition, rather than a step up, I don't believe there is a gulf in overall boxing ability between Algieri and Bundu, but I believe Algieri is the better of the two, however, Leonard Bundu is not only a sizeable step up from Lo Greco, Van Heerden and Barrera, and still good enough that a victory over him would be a considerable statement, but despite lacking terribly in certain technical areas, and commonly showing a lot of major flaws and very costly susceptibilities, I'm extremely impressed by his physical attributes, his stamina is impeccable, it was clear to me that he possessed a vast physical strength superiority over Keith Thurman when they fought, and he is extremely durable (his conditioning is to thank for that as well as and more than simply his toughness et cetera). I believe Bundu can test Spence's adaptability, and I believe he can provide him with valuable experience. I think Errol Spence will be very glad to be fighting Bundu, I know he has directed criticism towards Keith Thurman, predominantly regarding the calibre of opposition Keith has so far competed against, perhaps he was hypocritical, but I think he wants Thurman supporters to believe that, I don't think he is trying to create an unlikeable, villainous image of himself, but I think he wants to create tension, and possibly a publicity based, maybe exaggerated grudge between Thurman and himself, it is clear to me that an outspoken, evidently confident, slightly arrogant guy like Thurman would be his target, in the eyes of Errol Spence, this could be a great opportunity, if he could stop Leonard Bundu, he'd be achieving what Keith Thurman didn't manage to achieve, and obviously, although it wouldn't mean as much as the fans would probably think, it would be an enormous statement, and it could contribute towards the interest amongst fans and analysts in Thurman vs Spence, Floyd Mayweather Jr has already expressed his desire to promote it.

I think all being well the fight will happen, because of the fact that the opponent is Leonard Bundu, Errol Spence will be eager to take the fight (he is likely to see beating Thurman in a little non official common opponent contest as getting one over on Thurman), and Leonard Bundu, at world level, has nothing to lose, but so much to gain, so I'd be shocked if he turned down the opportunity, other than an injury based issue, I see no reason whatsoever why the fight wouldn't be to take place, hopefully there are no unexpected problems that could potentially jeopardize the fight, and if so, it will be so interesting.

Yeah, I think it's not a bad idea. The improvement in Errol Spence is showing a lot and is making good progress. Bundu is a good step up from the opponents he's been fighting. Bundu might not be better than Algeri but it's a step in the right direction. I agree with you, Spence still has a lot to prove but he got all the potential to a great champion. He shouldn't be rated above Thurman,Porter, or Brook just yet. If he can stop Bundu, this would be a big statement. This will show that he did something that Keith Thurman will do and be the first one to stop him. Great oppurtunity for Spence. Then if he wins, he'll get the title shot with Kell Brook. I heard something that Brook might move up to super welterweight after this year. I really hope this isn't true. I think that Brook still needs to accomplish more at the welterweight division before he moves up. And the fight with Spence will definitely be a good step up in opponents for the both of them.

I hope this fight happens. I think that Spence will gladly take this fight to show he can put up a better performance against him than Thurman did. Bundu has a great oppurtunity fighting Spence. He has no pressure on him and can gain a lot by beating Bundu hypothetically.

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If competing in the light middleweight division is the healthiest option for Kell Brook, the most worthwhile for him, and the weight in which he is most comfortable, then moving up in weight is wise, there are some great potential fights for him up there as well, Charlo (Jermall and/or Jermell), Andrade, I know Frank Warren is very eager to promote Kell Brook vs Liam Smith. I don't think there could possibly be any unwise reason for Kell Brook making a change in weight, you could suggest that possibly, Kell Brook has grown inpatient with the IBF's under challenging, time wasting mandatory match ups and wants to make the most of his precious years, craving challenges, but he has a fight lined up for the later stages of this summer against Jessie Vargas, who is WBO welterweight world champion, and even if Leonard Bundu was to cause the upset against Errol Spence, he is much more of a challenge than Ionut Dan and Kevin Bizier, Frankie Gavin was also less of a challenge in my opinion, so his potential future at welterweight will definitely become more worthwhile.

If he can get better fights at light middleweight that would be great. I just think he can still reach his full potential at welterweight. I think he has great skills but I want to see how he does in arguably the best in division in boxing right now. I think that he should fight Vargas then if he beats him fight the Spence Vs Bundu winner then possibly move up to light middleweight. It's a shame how underchallenged Kell Brook is.

What do you think of Canelo possibly fighting Liam Smith?

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I agree, I also believe he can, some fighters can reach their full potential at two weights, Kell Brook may become one of them, but although there hasn't been any evident problem with him fighting at welterweight, although we have no way of knowing what goes on behind closed doors, so for all we know, he has been struggling to make the weight, and if that is the case, then he is likely to accomplish more at light middleweight, for the simple reason that it is the weight category he's most healthy and comfortable at, and when the welterweight division is clearly more competitive, what other reason would he have for considering a change in weight?, I know you are easily intelligent and knowledgeable enough not to go there with the whole 'he's running scared' malarkey. Speaking from a fans point of view, that makes total sense, because you want to see certain fights, you may even have your heart set on a couple, but realistically, if making welterweight is an issue now, it is likely to esculate in the future, and the big fights we want to see may turn out to be not that, because if Kell Brook is fighting opponents like Porter, Thurman, Spence, Bradley with a disadvantage like competing at the wrong weight, then I guarantee the fights will disappoint, and think on the bright side, the welterweight division would still have Spence, Porter, Bradley, Khan, and Thurman, and there are also great fights up at light middleweight for Kell Brook, wouldn't it be awesome to see him against either of the Charlos?, Andrade, Trout is still very much in the mix, especially after that fantastic performance against Jermall Charlo, Erislandy Lara, Vanes Martirosyan, Liam Smith are also possible opponents, I don't even think this set of potential fights is any less intriguing than those at welterweight to be honest, and like I say, the best Kell Brook there can be will come out when he is fighting at the weight he should be fighting at, which may be light middleweight.

I don't think there's any need for that, not if fighting at welterweight doesn't feel like the healthiest option any more, it would be great to see that fight (Brook vs Spence), but we have to think about what is best for these athletes, of course, there is a possibility that he will decide against moving up in weight, maybe he can make more money at welterweight (although unless the difference is very large, I don't think extra funds should be chosen over the healthier, safer option of two scenarios), maybe he is comfortable at welterweight after all and he just feels like he might struggle in the future or for circumstantial reasons he struggled to make the weight on one occasion in the past, we can't really know at this current point in time, only time will tell. It is, just like Gennady Golovkin, Sergey Kovalev (less so but under challenged nevertheless), and I fear Anthony Joshua will be under challenged in the future, as we've said many times in the past, his next opponent is very poor, and although most believe he will last 2-3 rounds, I believe the fight won't last 1.

I think, for a start, Alvarez moving down in weight is ridiculous, I don't like his disrespect towards the weight categories on boxing, by the way, when he says he doesn't feel he has an advantage over other middleweights, he's lying through his teeth, it's as simple as that. To me it is an insult to the sport for Alvarez to move down in weight, it isn't hard to work out why his plan is what it is, he feels he can unhealthily drain his body to the limit, cutting a few more pounds than he commonly does to make middleweight, he's probably right, I think he could probably burn himself down to 150 (give or take a couple of lbs either way), as you know, once he has weighed in at this weight, there are no restrictions, and although he won't be as heavy as he is when he fights at middleweight (because he is starting his rehydration and build up in weight from a lower stage in weight), he will still have a large weight advantage when in the ring, the reason why it is not a good idea in my opinion is because he has been making a special effort to make middleweight, and it has clearly been a struggle, I think he is just creating unnecessary advantages for himself, and I don't condone that at all. Once he is fighting at light middleweight (which I believe he will be), I think he will fight at approximately 165 lbs (because I believe the rumour that he weighs at 175 lbs for his fights at middleweight is exaggerated, and his fight night weight is probably something more like 168-170), a fight against Liam Smith is a good idea, you can see why Liam Smith wants the fight, he's still growing and maturing, but he's approaching his prime years, seeming to improve in every fight, and boy is Alvarez a challenge, I think the fight is unfair, but I still think Smith can give Alvarez a lot of problems. I believe Alvarez should fight at super middleweight.

Agreed. That is true and a very good reason to move up to light middleweight. If he's killing himself just to make welterweight, a move up to light middleweight would be a good move. That's a great point about him fighting those guys with a disadvantage. Then there will always be questions like What if he was at his healthy weight how he could've done against them. There are plently of good fighters at light middleweight. Do you think at light middleweight he'll get the fights we would want to see like Jermall or Jermell Charlo, Erislandy Lara, Vanes Maritosyan, or Liam Smith?

On Anthony Joshua, I thought that Joseph Parker is fighting to be his mandatory. I'm not sure if that's a valid statement, but that's something that I heard. I really hope he doesnt't become an underchallenged fighter in his next fights. He's my favorite fighter right and I don't want to see him waste his potential fighting guys he shouldn't.

On the Canelo vs Liam Smith fight I like and hate the idea. The reason I don't like the idea is because I don't like Canelo fighting at that weight and should be fighting at the middleweight or super middleweight division. The reason I like it is because it's a step up for Liam Smith.

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Absolutely, I think the most accessible match up is a potential fight against Liam Smith, Frank Warren is really pushing for that fight, the only thing that could get in the way would be if any disagreements between Warren and Hearn became too personal, because it doesn't take a lot of observance to see that they don't get along, at all. Realistically, if he does move up in weight, the childish, immature fans out there (just as boxingnews24 have done as I expected) are bound to call Kell Brook a 'pussy', and a 'coward', and insist that he 'is running scared from Errol Spence', I believe the timing could be very inconvenient for Kell Brook, and the situation of having to miss out on a fight against Errol Spence would not be his fault, the IBF would be to blame to the extent that they have made him look like he is only willing to compete in mismatches against very over challenged mandatory challengers at 147, but him possibly moving up in weight at the time the Spence fight looms is merely unfortunate timing for him, I believe Jermall Charlo is the best light middleweight on the planet, his performance against Austin Trout was exceptional, and Austin Trout impressed me more in that fight than he ever has in the past, to me, it was a more impressive achievement for Charlo than Lara beating Trout or Alvarez beating Trout, he was poor against Lara in my opinion, and I thought he looked better than ever before against Charlo, I think he's improved.

He is, and that is fantastic news, I think that will be great experience for both, I think Joshua will win, but it will be an extremely hard fight, I believe it may go the distance, can't wait to see that fight, but I'm concerned about the future for Anthony Joshua, I don't see any reason why he won't have years wasted, and in a the heavyweight division, which isn't as competitive as many others, it will be easier for him to be under challenged, although, whatever happens, it is great that he is fighting Joseph Parker, Parker is young, still has a lot to learn, is inexperienced, but very talented, and improving at an impressive rate, Joshua should't take him lightly, going from fighting Domonic Breazeale to fighting Joseph Parker isn't a step up in class, it's a leap up in class, I still feel Joshua vs Breazeale is a waste of time, and quite frankly, a sham. It won't be his decision, but I really hope not too.

I think right now, the Canelo fight is slightly too early for Liam Smith, and I think a step up in class for him doesn't yet have to mean a Canelo fight, but I think even now, he would give a very good account of himself, give Alvarez a hard night, sooner or later, I think the fight is a good idea, and Liam Smith genuinely believes he's ready for Alvarez, I don't believe it's a case of him being badly out of his depth, and he's in massive trouble if he fights Canelo, I don't think he would be out classed right now and the only way he could make the fight interesting would be if the fight was a held up a by couple of years, I just think he would benefit from getting a few solid victories under his belt, against a raised level of opposition, and maybe wait 1-2 years before pushing for a fight against Saul Alvarez, that's my opinion, and it could easily be argued against, I'm sure Liam Smith himself would say different, and feels he could have the beating of Alvarez right now, every day of the week.