Fight Of The Century: Joe Frazier vs. Muhammad Ali I Scorecard by glassjoe


scorecard by GLASSJOE
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JOE FRAZIER
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142
MUHAMMAD ALI
10
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9
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142

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It's not bad judgement. This fight was a fight that the scoring depended on what boxing style you preferred. If you prefer the more aggressive style then yes this fight belongs to frazier. If you prefer ali's style of hand speed and calculated punches then it goes to Ali. In the end it was a close fight that I can see going to either man. I feel like I should mention that Joe Frazier is also overrated because after Ali his resume gets pretty thin as his best wins came from Oscar Bonovondida and Jerry Querry. Two solid fighters but definitely not elite level competition. Also not to mention his embarrassing loss to George Foreman, its safe to say that he doesn't rank as highly as other heavyweights.

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I know that some people prefer hand speed and calculated punches, I myself have scored wins for fighters based on speed and accurate punches but if you watch it carefully then you see in the later rounds it's just Ali doing nothing but getting cut down like a big tree by Frazier on the ropes, no matter how accurate you are you have to be at least fairly busy, Ali was very inactive after the first few rounds. If this fight was close then both men would feel that they had won the fight and would've both raised their arms but Ali looked really pissed off because he knew that he had lost unquestionably, Frazier looked not just as if he felt he had won but also as if he knew he had won, also Frazier was just as much of a warrior as Ali, I say this because in the 'thrilla in manila' at the end of round 14 Frazier was so battered that if he had gone out for the last round then he may well have died but he still wanted to carry on even though he was fully blind and behind on the scorecards, he never gave up but Ali was different, he quit, well he said he wanted to quit, I 'my not sure the rumour that he really would have quit is true. You must agree that if a trainer stops a fight and the other fighter quits then the fighter who doesn't win should not lose by RTD, its disgraceful, I think that if Ali had won a TD then that would have been fair enough because he was ahead on the scorecards, I'm not buying him quitting when he only had 3 minutes left after he had shown all that heart for 14 rounds, that raises the point that he had shown a world of heart for 14 hard rounds.

Ali wanting to quit on his stool is nothing but a lie against Ali. When Ali said “if id taken the punches he took in there, i’d have quit long before he did”. I believe in that quote Ali was speaking figuratively to express his admiration for Frazier’s courage. Angelo Dundee even made a comment about this saying and this is his exact words “so how can they make a statement like that, Ali didn’t say a word in the corner after the 14th”. “I said you’ve got him baby you’ve got him and that was it”. If it (the supposed comment about cutting the gloves off) exists, fine, but it didn’t exist, it didn’t happen. If Fraziers corner wouldn't have thrown in the towel Frazier would have become nothing but target practice and would have been destroyed just like he was in his two fights with Foreman. I should also say that Ali is really just as much of a warrior as Frazier ever was. What about when he broke his jaw early in the fight against Ken Norton? What about when he was getting decimated by Larry Holmes but he wouldn't give up until Dundee threw in the towel himself? What about when Ali was getting clobbered by Earnie Shavers and yet still managed to earn the unanimous decision? How about when Ali continued his career even though he was being urged to retire because his kidneys were falling apart had vocal stutters and trembling hands. Say and believe whatever you want to say and believe, but Muhammad Ali was a warrior if there ever was one.

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If Muhammad Ali had fought lennox Lewis then Lewis would definitely have won. Agreed?

There is no real definitive answer to that question and a lot of it has to do with which Muhammad Ali we are talking about. I believe that the prime 1966 Muhammad Ali would be something far beyond anything Lewis had ever handled before he was by far quicker, more durable, and more talented than anything Lewis has ever handled before. I believe in a 12 round bout Ali would win the Unanimous Decision by a good 5 points or so. A 1974 Muhammad Ali would be the more exciting of the two matches. I imagine Lewis's jab would probably give Ali a fair deal of trouble, but Ali being the clever fighter that he is would find openings and expose Lewis at times and eventually shut his eyes. This bout would go the distance for sure as I can't recall a time when Lewis stopped a guy after 8 rounds, and this version of Ali wasn't known for knockouts. The decision would be close and a hard fight to score with the judging going either way.

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You seem to know a lot about Muhammad Ali which isn't unexpected seeing as he is still very well known. If I'm not mistaken the fight that made Ali famous was his win over Sonny Liston, interestingly Liston out landed him and he was past his prime. I know that he fought Henry Cooper and Archie Moore before Liston but he cheated against Cooper the first time and that victory should have been wiped of. I won't deny that Ali is an all time great but what do you really know about Lennox lewis? You must admit that 30% of Ali's reputation came from him using his big mouth, he acted very unsportsmanlike towards Joe Frazier and then got beat fair and square. I won't start talking about your controversial scorecard for the fight of the century but I doubt you would have scored that fight a draw if you had never heard of either of them.

Have you seen Lennox Lewis KO Hasim Rahman? It's such a sick KO, Rahman turned out to be nothing but a deluded, disrespectful thug in the end and Lewis showed him what's what. You don't need me to tell you about who Mike Tyson is and looking what happened when he faced the lion. Even though Lewis only beat VITALI Klitschko on cuts I gave him 2 of the first 6 rounds and he was really coming on the 6th, I believe he would have won properly. Vitali Klitschko a boxing legend, I have written his name in capitals to express the fact that it is him Lewis beat and not that unfair, unsportsmanlike brother of his, say what you like Wladimir Klitschko is the biggest liar and the biggest fake in heavyweight division. Alexander Povetkin is better than Wladimir Klitschko who had his elbows in his back for the entire fight, leaning isn't boxing it's just wasting everyone's time and robbing everyone of a great fight. I'm really confident Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder would both beat Wladimir Klitschko. Lennox Lewis owned Riddick Bowe in the olympics by stopping him in 2 rounds, Riddick Bowe verbally abused Lewis when they were pros, I wonder why he refused to fight him? My money is on it being because he knew he would lose again. Lewis put on such a sensational performance against Frank Bruno, Bruno could knock pretty much anybody out when he fought Lewis which is when he was in the peak of his career, they both showed real grit and toughness in that bout but there could only be one winner and that was Lewis on that night. Lewis looked real good in beating Donavon Ruddock. One of my favourite fights is Lewis vs Mercer. Lewis was robbed against Holyfield, I thought that it was almost a shutout for Lennox, Lennox won the rematch even though that fight was more competitive. Lennox evenged both of his only 2 defeats in style. Don't you just love the way Lennox gets better as the fight goes on? He was in trouble in the first round against Shannon Briggs but then came back and looked great in winning that fight. When lewis was getting old he had 3 missions which were avenge his lucky punch defeat to Rahman and he delivered, KO Mike Tyson and he delivered and beat Vitali Klitschko, he delivered.

Lewis never declined, Lewis would smash the Ali that fought Holmes inside of 3 gruesome rounds, if Lewis fought Ali in his peak then I think he would make an idiot out of Ali, he would fight smart, Lewis has the stamina to box well for 15 rounds, that is something many boxers his size couldn't do, he never throws just one punch, he always throws punches in bunches, he has good footwork, he really can bang, just ask Mike Tyson or Andrew Golota. Despite not having a great chin Lewis has no toughness issues whatsoever as he showed against Bruno, Mercer and Klitschko. I really think Lewis would be too much for any Muhammad Ali, I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I feel very confident about the point that I have made.