Wed, 2018-03-28 09:40
I don't see how Wilder wins round 4, but to be fair to you, at least one of the judges gave him the round.
Wed, 2018-03-28 12:45
I'll re-watch and give you my breakdown of it. I remember having 2 and 4 very close in my first viewing, where I watched without really trying to judge it. In my re-watch, I saw a lot of pressing and action from Ortiz, but the stronger, cleaner counters were being landed by Wilder, IMO. For me, if all things are equal, the challenger has to clearly win for me to give him the super close rounds. But, I will re-watch that round again and try to explain what I saw, and maybe I rethink after watching it and give to Ortiz. The one scoring decision I saw some make that I won't is giving the 10-8 round to Ortiz when he failed to drop Wilder. If you don't put the man down, I'm not going to score it like you did.
Wed, 2018-03-28 13:42
So re-watching. Here is my breakdown as to why I had Wilder edging Ortiz in R4. For the first 1:30 of the round, Wilder landed all of the significant shots, with Ortiz landing virtually nothing. Wilder was the only one throwing, and seemed to land every shot he wanted. I think this first half was so slanted, but people tend to favor back of the round action. From 1:30-:45, Ortiz lands a few strong blows, but eats a few to do so. Ortiz edges this part of the round, but failed to follow up on the clean shots he landed, while also allowing Wilder to score on jabs. Some of the power shots scored for Ortiz in this portion were very clean, others were grazing shots. The last :45 seconds involved a lot of Ortiz stalking, and a couple punches, but nothing of significance in my eyes. Overall, I think the majority of the big shots were landed early, and by Wilder. Ortiz controlled the ring, landed some nice shots at times, and was the one moving forward, but was the less accurate puncher and didn't do enough, in my eyes, to wipe out the complete inaction he showed during the first half of the round. Wilder may have even outlanded Ortiz in the round. If not, it was damn near even, and he did so while throwing the more controlled shots. I don't see how so many thought it was a blowout round for Ortiz. Close, but I think Wilder edged it out.
Thu, 2018-03-29 15:32
Champion. That explanation make sense/seem logical concerning how I judged R4? Feel free to give me your thought/critiques. I am obviously a fan of certain of fighters, but also try to avoid skewing how I judge due to this.
Thu, 2018-03-29 22:07
I don't know, to be honest, I didn't expect you to go to so much trouble, you don't have to explain yourself to me, just your opinion, and afterall, it doesn't matter what I saw in the fight, because thisnis your scorecard, not mine, and at least one judge (maybe two) gave Wilder the round, and ultimately, it is only one round, but in terms of the whole fight, I thought Ortiz was up in the fight, you thought Wilder was up in the fight, well all the judges agree with you, not me. We don't disagree on everything, and most importantly, I don't think Ortiz won a 10-8 in round 7, and I see you didn't either.
Fri, 2018-03-30 09:32
For sure. I was just curious as to your take on the round. It was a tough one for me. I know I don't have to explain myself, just enjoy giving and receiving insight, in the hopes to improve my eye. I could certainly see how people would have had it even, or 1 round up for Ortiz though. I see you didn't 10-8 either in R7. I just saw so many do that, skewing the score toward Ortiz even heavier, and that way of scoring has never made much sense to me.
Mon, 2018-04-02 12:35
I get the point of giving that round to Ortiz by two points, it was more than a case of one guy winning a round, and not only did he hurt him, he was close to the stoppage, he landed I think was it 10-15 massive punches when he battered a reeling Wilder?
On the other hand, it is never, ever mandatory to score a round 10-8 without a knockdown or point deduction, some people (me included) never score rounds 10-8 without a KD or PD, just like a fighter losing a round but for a knockdown can win it 10-9 rather than 10-8, but that is never mandatory. Also, by my reckoning, a 10-8 round, if you score one, should be the occasional rounds which is 3 minutes of dominance from one fighter, like round 9 of Broner vs Maidana, but with Wilder vs Ortiz, at what point in the round did Ortiz land that first shot?, was it 2:15?, so that's 45 long seconds of dominance from Ortiz, even if he did nearly stop Wilder, he could not put the guy down, but that's only a quarter of the duration of the round, so even if I was a 10-8 round scorer, I wouldn't give that round to Ortiz 10-8.
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