Deontay Wilder vs. Gerald Washington Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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DEONTAY WILDER
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GERALD WASHINGTON
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What did you think of Wilders performance?

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I thought it was a good performance, not great, not his best, but Washington was an underrated opponent in my opinion. I think round four could have gone either way, I was a bit off my game when I scored round one, and might have missed some of it, but I think it was a close round, maybe it could have been even, maybe it was that close I don't know, Washington definitely won the next two. I think people should consider that being behind on the scorecards, doesn't negate the fact that a guy wins, because, if in some mad world where that was the case, a fighter might as well be 3-5 rounds down after 7, and just give up, it is a 12 round fight, it is something to look at, it is something you can criticise, to a degree, but being behind on the scorecards does not erase the achievement of the knockout, and it doesn't lose the winner much credit, a little bit, but not much. The good thing about a fighter coming back from being behind on the scorecards, is that it does give the runner up a lot to be proud of, but it barely gives the winner to be proud of, you see what I mean?

I thought he struggled until the 4th round. He started to open up more and land some good shots but not enough to win him the round for me. Being behind on the scorecards doesn't mean you're a bad fighter. Deontay was down in everyones eyes and he came back and ended the fight. It shows that you know what to do when behind. Reminds me a lot of Carl Froch's wins against George Groves and Jermain Taylor. I also think it has to do with power. Wilders power bailed him out of the fight in my opinion. It shows a lot of character to get a win when visually down on the scorecards. I see what you mean.

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I'm scoring Peterson vs Diaz now, I can't find Broner vs Granados, or Peterson vs Avanesyan.

I looked upp the 2 fights and it looks like they all got removed on dailymotion.

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From Dailymotion or from YouTube to Dailymotion?

I searched Broner vs granados on daily motion and clicked on it and it said it was removed.

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Dang it! Yeah I say 'dang' now haha, it does sound as good without the American accent.

Yeah haha. Are you staying up for Thurman Garcia?

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Should be yeah, I'm not watching Haye ve Bellew, could you give me round by round uodats if you watch it?

Yeah I will try to. Or we can talk about it after I post my card, but I might be busy until Garcia Thurman comes on. I'll stil talk about it regardless. Why aren't you watching it?

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Awesome, I'll need coffee, and press ups, haha. I don't want to see that skumbag win, and everyone seems to think he will. We could talk about it, but I won't watch it if Haye wins, I definitely think Haye is still overrated, and Parker, Widler, Joshua, Ortiz all knock him out.

Ok, I understand where you're coming from. If you don't like a fighter you don't have to watch. Yeah, I think Haye will win to and in devastating fashion. I don't think Haye is as good as his Crusierweight days. I think they all knock him out to. Do you give Bellew any chance? As the fight comes closer I'm starting to think it's a mismatch

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What do you define as a mismatch?, over inside 3 rounds, every minute of every round is very one sided, so far from competitive that the two shouldn't really be in the same ring?, that's a mismatch in my book, but some people would argue I'm just picking at the words there. I do give Bellew a chance, I'll be really happy for Bellew if he wins, and for Haye, oh well,he can come back, great fighter, Nah, Suck it bitch, Lie There, defeted, Loser!, Get up p**** I dare you!

Sorry about that Mike, I just don't like David Haye, issues holding grudges against nasty people is something I need to sort out, immature, but man, the thought of Haye sparked out on the canvas, is a good thought, but, I would NOT like to see any human being seriously injured, I hope he walks out the arena, physically ok, but humilated, and exposed as the Hayefaker, if the piece of shit wins, ah, we were all expecting it, who cares?

I feel it is a mismatch because in my opinion Haye has every advantage over Bellew. Strength, Skill, speed, better Chin, experience at Heavyweight. I know that Haye was stopped early in his career against Carl Thompson, but that was a while ago and that he doesn't get knocked down as much as Bellew. Bellew got stopped by Stevenson at a lighter weight and was knocked down in the fight he won the cruiserweight title, and I don't feel he can take Haye's power for very long. Haye probably punches harder than Stevenson and Makabu. Hopefully Bellew can pull off the upset. I love a good underdog story and his will be a perfect one if he can pull it ofF. Would you say Bellew is a huge underdog? Also if Haye loses he should just retire.

That's fine. You don't have to like every fighter and I feel the same way kind of about Antonio Margarito. I don't really like him for mocking Freddie roach and threatning Pacquiao, and cheating against Cotto. I hope Haye fights Joshua, I didn't like how Haye said he would knock him out after Bellew to ruin Hearns matchroom boxing. I think Joshua knocks him out easily. So you will get your wish if he fights any big name heavyweight.

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Bellew has a better chin, and is far more druable, I believe he has amateur experience, a better jab, and has the far better stamina of the two, what's Haye done for the last 5 years?, knock out a couple of numpties that's what, he gasses out far easily than Bellew, who, well, haha, fat kid and Haye is a super athlete, well Hayefaker needing to sit down for a rest flr the last 6 rounds against Klitschko, gassing after two rounds against Thompson, and Bellew doing what he did against Brudov, Cleverly, and every other one of his late wins, begs to differ. I think Bellew has the better skills. That also means Bellew can adapt and work arpund it like Haye can't, when Bellew gets dropped, he comes nack and stops his opponent, when Haye does, he's done, well maybe I'm biased because hayefaker did get uo kff the deck to stop Mormeck, and Bellew got stopped by Stevenson.....

I'd rather not talk about Haye vs Bellew if it's all the same with you bud, to me, I'm a better man than David Haye, doesn't mean I could beat him in the ring, you're a better man than David Haye, doesn't mean you could beat him in the ring, Tony Bellew is a better man than David Haye, so what if he doesn't neat him in the ring?

Hopefully. Are you a big fan of Joseph Parker?, I can see him giving Hughie Fury a boxing lesson.

Ok we don't have to talk about Haye if you want. To your credit Haye hasn't done much in the last five years. Hopefully it's all good with you. I just think we have a different opinion on the issue. There are far more other fights and fighters we can talk about.

I'm a big fan of Joseph Parker. I think that he is very underrated and I expect him t beat Hughie Fury.

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I havs issues with acceepting that people do use words like 'retard', and I can't teach them why they can't say that, and I can't stop them, that's the main probelm I have with enjoying discussing this fight.

I think if he wins, and impresses, Wilder vs Parker is almost as good as Wilder vs Joshua, what a fight, I think it could well happen, maybe early in 2018, or maybe even later this year, who knows.

I thought this was interesting,

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtu...

That's totally fine.

I agree. I think that Wilders fighting stiverne again in the summer and hopefully they fight at the end of the year. Out of those 3 I don't mind who fights who, all great fights.

That's very interesting. That's probably why he lasted as long as he did in the pros. He probably kept his body in great shape staying away from everything. Reminds me a lot of Tom Brady's diet.
He's a big American athlete if you didn't know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwwJ0DJ0Z4M Their diets are pretty similar.

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Thanks man. Who you think wins Egginton vs Malignaggi?

I don't like that fight, not at all, Stiverne has done nothing since, aort from getting up off the deck to beat Derric Rossey, I mean Wilder nas had five fights since, he's done well lver double the rounds since, maybe even three times as many, I'm against Wilder vs Stiverne, Wilder vs Ruiz is a much better fight in my opinion, Wilder vs Takam, Wilder vs Whyte, Wilder vs Chisora, there are many, many other options for Wilder.

Interesting stuff, I didn't know who he was until I saw this.

This is unrelated to boxing, but I've started running again and it feels great, I think I will run a half marathon in June, all being well, I'll aim to finish inside 100 minutes.

Yeah no problem. I think Eggington wins. He has the momentum and looked great in the Gavin fight.

Same. He already beat him pretty convincingly and it wasn't like Porter Thurman where the fans were demanding a rematch. I never watched their first fight but it looks like Wilder won a comfortable decision. All those fights you mentioned are way better. I would love to see him fight Ruiz or Whyte next. It doesn't look like Wilder vs Parker is happening until later 2017 because of Parker fighting Hughie in April.

I've always liked Hopkins. He was one of the first fighters I watched fights of. He seems like a great guy out of the ring and plays the villian in the ring and there's nothing wrong with that.

That's great I could never run maraathons. I used to run for basketball practice and hated it.

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I'm going with Malignaggi, but I think it's a 50/50 fight.

Well I'd definitely settle for that, that would be awesome, if it happens at all, that's great.

If I remember rightly your sports are basketball and baseball.

Should be a good fight.

Yeah out of any of those fights I won't care who fights who first as long as I get to see Wilder vs Joshua.

I used to play basketball, I just watch baseball.

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Would you come over here for Wilder vs Joshua if it happened in the UK?

Cool, I might take up basketball, and also rowing.

I would really consider it. I think I would have to not get floor seats but that's fine. The crowd there will be crazy.

Basketball is fun. Have you ever considering following like baseball or american football?

One fight I can't wait for is Joshua Klitschko. That will be a great night of boxing.

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I think you'd have a great night.

No I haven't to be honest, I don't think they are my kind of sports, I'm more into long, difficult, technically simple sports like long distance running.

Oh I can't wait either, I like Anthony Joshua, I think he is a bit like Canelo Alvarez in that it is easy to see why many fighters are envious, he doesn't give anyone any reason to dislike him, he either domiantes and impresses big time with emphatic victories over limited opposition, or he beats high level opposition, but they are very well managed, and some fans can perceive that as them robbing them of the fights they want to see.

I think Joshua will knock Klitschko out, I think he is already number two on the planet, I don't think he'll ever be as good as Deontay Wilder, but Wilder is the best heavyweight on the planet in my opinion, I think common opponents, 80-90% of the time, would suggest Joshua is better than Wilder, but I still think Wilder is number one, I think Joshua's best win of this era will be Klitschko, Ortiz, and Parker, if he fights those three.

I know I said I wouldn't talk about the fight, but Anthony Joshua joins me and every other fan who isn't fooled by DH, in wanting to see Bellew destroy him, it would save him a job. Paulie Malignaggi gives Bellew a shot at winning if it goes past six rounds, I have a feeling he might be able to pull it off, my hopes aren't really raised, but man, how awesome would that be?!

Want to score Bellew Chilemba 1 with me? I'll have my card up soon.

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I might score it soon, but I think I'll finish Peterson vs Diaz first, I got it 10-9 Peterson so far.

I'm just curious, is Thurman Garcia on sky or boxnation?

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Not certain, I'm going to assume boxnation.

I think I would to. I love the atmosphere at the 02. Like Brook vs Golovkin, the atmosphere was awesome and that's something I would like to be a part of.

I like Joshua a lot to. He's a good person and has a very entertaining style. They both have promoters that really are interested with their careers. I think that Joshua is the future of the heavyweight division and bring popularity back in boxing. I don't see how people can hate him or Alvarez. These guys are bringing popularity to boxing and that is always a positive.

I think he will knock out Klitschko to. I hope he does and Klitschko ends up ok. I told you that if Joshua and Wilder fight that Joshua will win, but that can always change. If Joshua looks bad or vulnerable in the Klitschko fight then I might change it. I think he's better than Wilder in my opinion. I think he also beats Parker and Ortiz. I would like to see Joshua work on footwork a litte and defense.

That's fine. I heard that to that AJ is rooting for Bellew to win. I think him and Haye don't like each other. I give him some shot because I was watching a Haye interview and he was more focused on going to the night club rather than the press conferences. It looks like he might not be taking it serious. Also he said he was injured a little and might have that is a built in excuse if he loses. It would be great if Bellew can get the stoppage or just get an impressive win. I would love to see it. It would be like Muhammad Ali when he fought George Foreman. Everyone says that Foreman was going to kill Ali and Ali knocked foreman instead so anything is possible

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Yeah, well, each to our own, I would love to go to the MGM Grand, or any lf the great arenas in the US.

Well a lot of it is jealousy, and a lot of it is frustration at them following helpful asvice to do what is right for them rather thena taking sometimes unnecessary risks just to conform to these fans' idea of entertainment. The health and safety of the atheltes is of paramount importance. I agree, I think he's good at dictating range, he is good at closing down opponents, and disallowing them from using their weapons, but he would be wise to prepare for an opponent who could sustain a high work rate.

They don't, because Haye is jealous, and has shown Joshua he's an idiot.

I'm not listening to any of that stuff, and I don't believe it, he's just trying to play mind games. Bellew shouldn't he written off, even if the best Haue shows up, especially if it goes past 6 rounds. I think Wilder vs Joshua is a lot more like Aoi vs Foreman. We need to see Wilder vs Joshua one day! Is that your number one fight?

I have Peterson down 56-58 against Felix Diaz so far.

Same, I've been thinking about going there sometime soon.

Yeah, it looks like Joshua can't stand Haye. To get Joshua to say I don't give a shit about him says a lot.

I'll see it come fight night. We'll really see how his preperation for this is. I think he might be underestimating Bellew and that can help Bellew out. You can't write Bellew out because he is a power puncher and they always have a chance. Wilder vs Joshua is the number one fight I want to see. I think they are the 2 best in the heavyweight division and have a lot of popularity so it will be huge.

You like the fight so far?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FkBvi9gpJU This is an in depth video someone made on why Garcia vs Thurman. I want to hear your thoughts on it. I want Thurman to win but I'm picking Garcia.

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It's one of many things. Man I hope Bellew knocks him out.

I think he might be underestimating Bellew's heart and durability. I think Haye is overestimating himself. No, and you also can't write off a relentless warrior who has to knocked out cold to be stopped.

Yeah it's an interesting one, I have it 76-76 now.

I don't usually watch people with YouTube channels on boxing, and I just watched a couple of minutes of this video, I heard him saying 'Garcia can hit Thurman to the body, slow him down', 'it is easy to underestimate Danny Garcia', etc, my thoughts on it really are that it's a video by someone who is taking all the reasons why Garcia could win, but someone could just as easily do the same for Thurman.

I'm going with Thurman, but Garcia is too easily underestimated, and should not written off, I think this whole 'Thurman is weak to the body' malarkey, should be ignored, if Garcia wins this fight, it's not because Thurman can't take a body shot.

I think Thurman wins this fight, 114-113, 115-112, 115-112. I don't want to see either lose, I hope there isn't a clash of or anything like that to ruin the fight, my only wish is that they botn do really well, and do the best they can.

Same here it will be a huge upset.

I think he's underestimating Bellews ability to, and overestimating himself to. It takes a lot for Bellew to be stopped.

Yeah, I don't either. He's the only one I watch. I think everyone else is bias. I agree he said about the body attack, that's pretty standard anyway. If you go to the body you will eventually tire your opponent and Thurman is very capable of that as anyone else is. You can really make a case for either fighters. Just out of curiousity, I looked at a lot of prediction videos and a lot of people are split.

I'm going with Garcia for a couple reasons. One he thrives at being the underdog and won fights that people said he would get knocked out in. Another being that he is very patient and has good timing. I also see the case for Thurman to. He's the stronger of the 2 and the better boxer of the two. I just feel that Danny always finds a way to win. I might change my prediction another time before they step in the ring, but I don't know.

I don't know how I'll predict the scorecards will be because it is so unpredictable. Hopefully nothing screws this fight up and that it lives up to the hype.

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So which round do you predict Haye to stop Bellew in?

Yes, and when he's caught, when he's fatuigued, when he's pushed to the absolute limit, you think Haye can dig deep like Bellew?, I highly doubt it, he isn't the warrior in this fight, I think Bellew might out box David Haye, he has a great jab when he let's it into the equation, he was a great amateur, he won ABAs, he can box on the back foot, his feet are faster than Haye's, come on Tony! Anybody who likes David Haye as a person, is either an idiot, or uninformed.

Well, I don't think he's any different to any other boxing YouTuber, watch his videos if you find them entertaining, but I'll definitely stick to watching videos of Paulie Malignaggi, Robert Garcia, Bernard Hopkins, Mikey Garcia, Keith Thurman, giving their insight, real experts. To me, all he was doing was doing was telling us what we already know, and hinting that he's just another one of these mislead fans who gullible and naive enough to say 'Garcia goes to the body, Thurman was hurt to the bidy against Collazo and Porter, he must be weak to the body'. Exactly, but we shouldn't get carried away, because if this tactic was that simple to put into practice, then every fighter out there would do it.

Well it depends on what kind of prediction videos your looking at, are you talking about Youtube channels like the one we saw earlier?, because that means nothing, or are you talking about predictions from boxers, trainers, ex boxers? because these are the people to learn from. Your rightm predictions are split, Thruman, as the more established welterweight and because of the suggestion from the Guerrero fights, and Garcias questionable wins, is much the favourite, but many think Garcia will win, for a start, Jessie Vargas, Mikey Garcia, Abel Sanchez, look,

These are predictions worth taking into account, from people who know what they're talking about,

http://www.boxingscene.com/danny-garcia-vs-keith-thurman-predictions-by-...

It is up to you, but in general, I would stay away from Youtube channels like this,

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtu...

It's just bored people with too much free time.

That's true, like Tony Bellew, for whatever reason, being challanged, and being in a fight people expect him to lose, brings the best out of him. He does, but Thurman made a couple of points about that, and one of them, was that early in the Guerrero fight, he wasn't really able to time him early, nkt until Guerrero slowed down, Harvia has great timing, but he has to a lot of adapting, I believe Thurman's timing is better.

I think the 'Danny finds a way to win' case, works against him, but also with him, he's in against another undefeated fighter, who has only ever not knocked out or beaten widely one opponent, Porter, who I believe, is better than anyone Garcia has ever faced, that line, ti me suggests, that finding a way, is a way of coming through adversity, sort of, on the other hand, it raises the point, that some fighters can look great, but when in trouble, won't have enough to dig deep, and come through it, Garcia certainly, is not one of those fighters, is Thurman as good at pulling something out of the bag when a fight is going away from him?, I believe so, because of what he was able to do against Porter, winning the last two rounds, and probably winning the fight.

Fifth round.

Does Haye have bad fatigue issues? I haven't seen any of his fights in a while. I did see his last two but they were against overmatched competition and lasted 3 rounds total. I haven't seen his fights where he goes far into fights in a while. Bellew is a warrior and I think he has what it takes to win. I hope Tony gets the upset. I don't like David Haye as a person only as a fighter. He's also not anywhere near my top 10 favorites of all time.

True. Did you see I added the undercard fights to?

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So which round do you predict Haye to stop Bellew in?

Yes, and when he's caught, when he's fatuigued, when he's pushed to the absolute limit, you think Haye can dig deep like Bellew?, I highly doubt it, he isn't the warrior in this fight, I think Bellew might out box David Haye, he has a great jab when he let's it into the equation, he was a great amateur, he won ABAs, he can box on the back foot, his feet are faster than Haye's, come on Tony! Anybody who likes David Haye as a person, is either an idiot, or uninformed.

Well, I don't think he's any different to any other boxing YouTuber, watch his videos if you find them entertaining, but I'll definitely stick to watching videos of Paulie Malignaggi, Robert Garcia, Bernard Hopkins, Mikey Garcia, Keith Thurman, giving their insight, real experts. To me, all he was doing was doing was telling us what we already know, and hinting that he's just another one of these mislead fans who gullible and naive enough to say 'Garcia goes to the body, Thurman was hurt to the bidy against Collazo and Porter, he must be weak to the body'. Exactly, but we shouldn't get carried away, because if this tactic was that simple to put into practice, then every fighter out there would do it.

Well it depends on what kind of prediction videos your looking at, are you talking about Youtube channels like the one we saw earlier?, because that means nothing, or are you talking about predictions from boxers, trainers, ex boxers? because these are the people to learn from. Your rightm predictions are split, Thruman, as the more established welterweight and because of the suggestion from the Guerrero fights, and Garcias questionable wins, is much the favourite, but many think Garcia will win, for a start, Jessie Vargas, Mikey Garcia, Abel Sanchez, look,

These are predictions worth taking into account, from people who know what they're talking about,

http://www.boxingscene.com/danny-garcia-vs-keith-thurman-predictions-by-...

It is up to you, but in general, I would stay away from Youtube channels like this,

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtu...

It's just bored people with too much free time.

That's true, like Tony Bellew, for whatever reason, being challanged, and being in a fight people expect him to lose, brings the best out of him. He does, but Thurman made a couple of points about that, and one of them, was that early in the Guerrero fight, he wasn't really able to time him early, nkt until Guerrero slowed down, Harvia has great timing, but he has to a lot of adapting, I believe Thurman's timing is better.

I think the 'Danny finds a way to win' case, works against him, but also with him, he's in against another undefeated fighter, who has only ever not knocked out or beaten widely one opponent, Porter, who I believe, is better than anyone Garcia has ever faced, that line, ti me suggests, that finding a way, is a way of coming through adversity, sort of, on the other hand, it raises the point, that some fighters can look great, but when in trouble, won't have enough to dig deep, and come through it, Garcia certainly, is not one of those fighters, is Thurman as good at pulling something out of the bag when a fight is going away from him?, I believe so, because of what he was able to do against Porter, winning the last two rounds, and probably winning the fight.

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Fair enough.

Yes, very much, he was gassing against Chisora, and he gassed against Thompson in round one or maybe two, he was knackered for the last half of the granny paced fight against Klitschko, sitting on the canvas for rests more times, than, I can't be bothered to think of a simile, but yes. Exactly, why is it only Spencer Fearon and Paulie Malignaggi that have acknowledged this? weight disadvantage is a massive disadvantage, but so is inactivity. He's my least favourite, I don't even like him as a fighter, this isn't really relevant to Bellew, but, short heavyweights, Evander Holyfield, he beat Riddick Bowe, he could work around height and reach, Joe Frazier, he beat Muhammad Ali, he could work around height and reach, David Haye, watch his fight gainst Klitschko, it showed us, he can't work around height and reach, this is related to Joshua vs Haye, and, to a lesser extent (for stylistic reasons), Wilder vs Haye.

No, but that's good.

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Fair enough.

Yes, very much, he was gassing against Chisora, and he gassed against Thompson in round one or maybe two, he was knackered for the last half of the granny paced fight against Klitschko, sitting on the canvas for rests more times, than, I can't be bothered to think of a simile, but yes. Exactly, why is it only Spencer Fearon and Paulie Malignaggi that have acknowledged this? weight disadvantage is a massive disadvantage, but so is inactivity. He's my least favourite, I don't even like him as a fighter, this isn't really relevant to Bellew, but, short heavyweights, Evander Holyfield, he beat Riddick Bowe, he could work around height and reach, Joe Frazier, he beat Muhammad Ali, he could work around height and reach, David Haye, watch his fight gainst Klitschko, it showed us, he can't work around height and reach, this is related to Joshua vs Haye, and, to a lesser extent (for stylistic reasons), Wilder vs Haye.

No, but that's good.

I don't hav boxnation but I think Broner Granados was on there and see if there's video on demand and they should have the fight on there.

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Thanks, I also now know that Thurman vs Garcia is going to be on boxnation.

Fifth round stoppage.

Yeah, it all depends what you like. Some hate them and some like them. I'm picky about what youtubers I go to for boxing. I go to him because he is a member of boxing media, has good info, and entertaining.

I was looking at all sorts of prediction video. I watched one of Jeff Mayweather interviewing fighters around the gym asking who they would pick, I watch indivual fighter or trainers make predictions, pretty much anybody. I like hearing different perspectives on who they think will win and sometimes can effect my prediction to. I don't listen to anyone bias as in I wouldn't listen to Winky Wrights ( even though he's one of my favorites) prediction because he trains with Thurman and will obviously pick him, but I would listen to his predictions on other fights, and the same to someone who lives by Garcia or is in his camp because they will say Garcia will win. I also don't listen to predictions made out of emotion. Like someone might not like Mayweather and they will pick anyone who fights him to win just because they hate him.

I never watched that guy before.

That's true. If you look in the Guerrero fight, he struggled for a lot of the fight and he slowed down. I think Thurman won't slow down as much as Guerrero will. Also in the Peterson fight he was getting beat up in the later rounds in the fight and basically won the early rounds because Peterson wasn't doing much. I think if Peterson actually boxed better in the beginning he could've easily beat Garcia. Thurman is very good at adjusting and can pull it off. This is a hard fight for me to predict to be honest.

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My opinion is that they should all be left well alone, I do categorise and generalise them, and for those have learned a lot from real experts, want to discuss boxing, feel they are knowledgeable, setting up a YouTube channel isn't the answer.

That's great! It's always good to take potential and likely bias into consideration.

Good, don't, that's what I', saying, YouTube channels like that are fruitless in my opinion, and have no constructivism.

It is a very hard fight to predict, I really struggled with my prediction, but I believe Thurman will win, and it will be slightly easier than the Porter fight.

Something I fomd interesting is this obsession people have (probably related to this body punching runour, which is probably worth 5%of the attention it' sbeen given) with Thurman slowing down late, and Garcia doing that to him, Thurman won every round against relentless, strong, athletic, durable Bundu, won the last two rounds against Porter, Garcis lost the last round in a big way against Peterson and Herrera, and admitted he lost the last round against Guerrero as well, I'm not trying to argue aginst the fact that Garcia is a massive threat to Thurman, or even really arguing against the case that he wins (when making this point, because my prediction is Thurman winning), it's just an interesting point, I believe, I think it will be the mid roumds when Garcia could take over, I mean, if Bundu got a share of a round against Thurman, it was round 8, Porter hurt Thurman, in round 8, Collazo hurt Thurman in round 5, my point is, I think Garcia will do better in the middle rounds than peopel realise, and Thurman is capable of doing more in the late rounds, than people realise.

I agree to some extent. I think some of the youtubers complain more than actually talk boxing. They just sit and complain about the politics of boxing. I think setting up a youtube channel can be positive because you can make money doing what you like, but it's very hard.

I always sort that stuff out and don't factor bias opinions in my predictions. I don't listen to those people at all.

This is a hard fight to predict. That's when you know it's a good fight. I hope Thurman wins as well.

That's a very good point. Porter attacked Thurman to the body and was still able to win rounds in the later stage. It's those later stages where the body punches take a toll and drain your energy and those were the rounds that Thurman round. If I remember correctly I had Porter winning round 10 and Thurman 11 and 12. Also against Collazo, he was hurt to the body, and was able to get Collazo out of there. Also look at the Guerrero fight. Garcia struggled with Guerrero and Thurman had pretty easy work for him. People don't realize that.

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Basically, any boxing YouTuber who isn't promoting some kind of channel interviews with people who really know the sport, 99% of the time, are the fans we have criticised many times, they have never wanted to learn, they have never learned, they don't really know boxing.

I believe you, and that's great, not making the mistake I did, which is why you understand the sport, more than I did when I'd be following boxing for as long as you have now.

I don't necessarily hope Thurman wins, I hope they both do great, I don't mind who wins.

People don't take the time to think about it.

Do you think Egginton vs Malignaggi will go the distance? I think it will, and I also think Paulie will prove too skilful and experienced for Eggington.

There's some good and bad youtubers. Like fighthype is good, ifl tv,seconds out and so on. I say some of them are knowledgeable and some are bias. I think if you go on twitter and instagram you get those immature people who refuse to learn. I see it more on those sites then youtube. I hear it all on twitter and instagram. From Brook vs GGG being fixed to Lomachenko being overrated.

I like both but I like Thurman a little better.

I think Malinaggi vs Eggington goes the distance. Paulie is good but I think Eggington got this. I'm neutral for this fight but I think Eggington will win.

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I agree with all that, but the common difference is, the YouTube channels worth following are ones with videos of interviews with people who know boxing, almost all of the others, are a load of rubbish.

Fair enough, I guess for you, it is good because if Thurman wins, the guy who you wanted to win, won, amd of Garcia wins, hey, you called it, and you believed in the underdog.

I think Malignaggi is a slight favourite, but Eggington was a bit if an underdog against Gavin, and he pulled that off, so let's not write him off, you could be right, he's a decent pressure fighter, he can punch, he has a lot of physical attributes, we don't really know what Malignaggi has left, I'm still going with Paulie on remaining athleticism, experience, skills.

We keep talking about it, sk say if your tire of the topic, but Wilder vs Joshua, I've been thinking about the fight, and I think Wilder would get up off the deck to win, maybe twice, and I think he would take numerous knock downs for him to stop Joshua, I think than in the minutes where there is more technique involved, Joshua would out box Wilder for the majority of the time, I think he would ne ahead on the scorecards, and then Wilder wins, maybe in round 8 or 9. I hope they fight next year, there isn't enough demand for the fight in my opinion.

Yeah it's better having channels that know what they are talking about.

That's a good way of putting it.

I can see that. I just think Eggington will win because he is coming off a good win and what you said about what Paulie Malinaggi is a big factor. I'm not sure what he has left. He did have a good win against Bracero but I'm not sure if he will have anything left.

It's fine I like talking about the fight. I can see that scenario happening to. I just feel that Joshua will get the ko. He's the better boxer in my opinion. One question I have about both is their chins. We seen Joshua hurt against Whyte, but I'm not sure how Wilder will react when hurt. I personally think this is the second biggest fight to be made behind Canelo vs Golovkin.

I hear Thurman Garcia has no rematch clause. Interesting.

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We'll see, there are questions surrounding both fighters, but I think depends mkre on Malignaggi.

I think Wilder has a better chin. It might even be bigger than that fight. I really hope we get to see Golovkin vs Alvarez, who would you root for in that fight?, I know you think Canelo would win, I would be neutral, I like both, I like the way Golovkin conducts himself outisde of the ring, and I love Canelo Alvarez's story of how he got to where he is.

Yeah, not sure why.

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