Demetrius Andrade vs Jack Culcay Scorecard by mike25


scorecard by MIKE25
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DEMETRIUS ANDRADE
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117
JACK CULCAY
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111

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Hey pal, was it you who added Golovkin vs Jacobs?

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What did you make of Cuadras's performance?

Good but he slowed a bit near the end.

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I think the same, what a start from Wangek!

Yeah I know. I was shocked to see Gonzalez go down. Fight of year so far

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Yes, I've got Gonzalez ahead at five.

I have it a draw. This is a gruesome fight. How hasn't Gonzalez passed out?

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It's not over yet though is it?

It's not I'm worried about gonzalezs health seriously. He looks bad. And I have him losing.

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Ok, I'll respond in more detail when I'v finished watching, because I'm only on round 8, I'v egot Gonzalez up 67-64.

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Very sad for Gonzalez, I thought he did enough to win, but you can't argue with a couple lf rounds either way, why are you worried about his health?, I mean is there a particular reason or is it only the beating we just saw him take?

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It's close at the moment, Jacobs is doing well!

Jacobs did great. What did you think?

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I thought Jacobs nicked it by a round, I know Boxing Knowledge (who is a more experienced judge than me) has it 115-112, which is fair enough, it could have gone either way, it would have been nice to have seen a split decision there, but you know, that's that, the judges gave Jacibs 5-6 rounds, that's reasonable, Jacobs boxed beautifully, and out boxed Golovkin for a large portion of that fight, and for a lot of a lot rounds, but Golovkin with that power, that accuracy, that leverage when he landed, he came on in the last couple of rounds, but even then he wasn't dominant, Jacobs's defence and upper body movement was fantastic, I think the body shots deterred Golovkin, and it was a masterclass performance from him win or lose, but Gennady Golovkin is something special, and he provailed tonight, he came through adversity, and I applaud him for that, I think we can safely say, Jacobs is the second best middleweight on the planet right now, until Charlo possibly overtakes him, people questioned Jacobs's ability to take a punch, well, you know, we said before the fight that that shouldn't be assumed to be the case, he has done 12 rounds with Gennady Golovkin, he should be monumentally proud of himself.

I thought it could've went either way. I thought Golovkin had edge in power and Jacobs boxed better. I hear some people say robbery. I just think that it's an overreaction and it's the emotional part. Golovkin showed some things in this fight. He can take a good punch from a full middleweight that probably outweighed him and can fight to a decision. Do you think there will be a rematch, and what's next for both? I did see some weakness from Golovkin. Fighting guys with speed gives him problems.

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It could have done, it is a fact, but because of the knockdown, a draw becomes a win for Golovkin, some of the best analysts in the Uk sckred the fight just like I did. I think that's just people not thinking about Golovkin's ability to punch with velocity, but that's tthe public for you, they aren't doing an exam, they're watching a fight, some idiot on this site just made a comment to all the people who thought Jacobs won, and I wasn't shy to tell him what was what, morons aside, and people, who like you said, were emotional, in all truthfulness, the validity ranges in between 115-112 Golovkin and 114-113 Jacobs, I really wish it had been a split decision.

Well that's tricky to say, I mean now that we've seen Golovkin struggle and get pushed close, the way Alvarez was against Lara and Trout, people out there realise Golovkin isn't some kind of unhuman force who is a different species to Canelo Alvarez, they are two great champions who can both really be pushed by great fighters like Danny Jacobs. I think Golovkin vs Jacobs II, I mean, why on earth not?, it was a great fight, it was extremely close, Jacobs won at least 5 rounds, against all the odds, he desreves that opportunity, I mean assuming the Canelo Alvarez fight doesn't happen, what else is there for GGG, Lemiuex again?, not my favourite fight in the world I must say, I think the rematch against Jacobs would be his whole year, one thing is for sure, being under challanged was not a problem for Golovkin tonight, I think the Jacobs rematch, the Charlo fight after that if he gets a couple of notable wins at 160 to continue his journey of improvement, and of course, Alvarez.

I think speed was a big problem for GGG, but the overall skill, upper body movement, but to be able to move, defend, whilst having a degree of comtrol over distance was what made Jacobs so successful.

Yeah, the knockdown play a big part in the fight. I also thought Golovkins hard punching was a factor. When he connected, he was effective. I think people are saying that Jacobs got robbed are the ones saying that because they don't like Golovkin and wanted to see him lose. They had their mind made up before it even started. I wish it would've been split decision to. It would've shown that the fight really could've went either way.

This is the fight that made Golovkin seem human to some people. A lot of fans said that he is this monster with crazy power and knocks everyone out, and he didn't knock Jacobs out. Getting a decision that could've went for the other guy is a part of boxing. Almost every fighter in boxing has at least one, Mayweather, Pacquaio, Ali, Ward, and so on. I heard they might make a fight between Saunders and Golovkin in Kazakhstan. That's a possibilty, but it might not be best for Saunders at the moment. If that doesn't happen I say rematch Jacobs. I would pick Jacobs to win rematch. I say wait a little for Charlo. Wait until he's adjusted to the weight class then fight him.

I think it was to.

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Yes definitely. I don't know man, I can tell you, that fights can seem different to how they really are when you aren't really thinking logically, and the way it seemed like Jacobs was the kne who was boxing out of skin, and Golovkin, winning the round or losing it, it seemed like he was doing less than expected, these are just a couple of reasons why some think Jacobs was robbed. Well I know it could have done.

Yeah well surprise is bound to be a thing here, but we know full well that Golovkin is very much human, haha, and all we did was underestimate Jacobs, let's process this shall we for a second, I mean, Martin Murray had done the best against Golovkin before this fight, he had won 1-2 rounds and been stopped in 11 rounds, second, I think Brook, but one could argue Stevens and Rosado came next, whatever, these guys were streets behind against GGG when they got stopped inside 9 rounds, Jacobs, went the distance, and won 5-7 rounds, I mean, it is just phenomenal, the man has done himself proud. I've not seen any opinions like that, I see people holding grudges against Jacobs more than GGG, but we should stop talking abput this topic, because I don't know about you but it makes me cross, morons should be ignored, let's focus on the good fans. Interestingly, I don't blame those casual but normal, reasonable fams who thought either man was robbed, they know they are not professional judges, and they don't try to make themselves out to be, but my point here is, that these fans, I believe, might think Jacobs was robbed and believe they are being fair, and vise verse, I mean, one can see Jacobs missing, and fail to appreciate what he does land clean, and forget that Golovkin isn't being active enough, others might see Jacobs out landing his opponent (because I thini Jacobs did out land Golovkin in 9 of those rounds, 8, minimum, I'm not suggesting he won that many rounds, obviously, but for that department, I think so), but fail to notice the power, accuracy and superiority of Golovkins punches, at the same time as possibly not noticing Golovkin being able to take a lot of the force off Jacobs punches too, he couldn't do this anything like he did with Stevens or Lemiuex, but look at the comparison, I mean tbose guys couldn't touch him, and lost every round.

That's a very good point, and whether or not GGG gives Jacobs the rematch, will tell us a lot about him, will he do a Danny Garcia?, and avoid Jacobs, and put him on a lower level than he deserves?, or will he do a Floyd Mayweather?, and give the man the rematch he deserves like Mayweather did woth Castillo. I'm not interested in that fight, I'm not impressed by Saunders, and I don't think he compares to Jacobs (I bet Chris Eubank Jr is glad he didn't take him on after beating O'Sullivan), Saunders wants to fight Saunders, of course he does, he has the belt, and if the fight happens, great for GGG, but the Jacobs rematch is far better.

That's interesting, I see that, but in my opinion, Golovkin a good man who never makes excuses, but I believe he may have had a little bit of an off night last night, part of the reason I wanted Jacobs to get the decision was that I felt it was his only chance, I cpuld be wrong though, but I think Golovkim beats him decisively in a rematch. Yeah well it depedns on Golovkin too doesn't it, it's just another great option, but obviously that wouldn't be next for GGG, I think the only reason why the Saunders fight is worth talking about, is because he has the WBO belt, belts aside, Jacobs II and Charlo are the only bog fights for GGG at 160, maybe the only fights.

Agreed. For these big fights, sometimes I get excited and miss some things and don't score properly. I felt like that to. Jacobs fought a fight that we don't normally see him fight. For Golovkin, I agree with you he did less than expected. I thought he could've done more.

I know he's human. I was talking about other people. People were making crazy comparisons and stuff like that. We should focus on the good and reasonable fans instead of the morons. The good fans know the truth. That the fight could've went either way and that the right man won. There's a point we have to realize not everyone's an expert and we have to take an opinion case by case. It depends on what these guys like. The people who thought Jacobs won favored his boxing and clean punching. The people who favored Golovkin liked his accuracy and effectiveness of shots.

That's true. He never had a decision and a close one and we don't know if he's willing to give a rematch. I think he will but I could be wrong. The Jacobs rematch is better, but I think Saunders is more likely probably. Angel Garcia went off on the judges again.

Golovkin is a good man I agree. I don't know if it was an off night. I just think he could've done more and Jacobs neutralized him to an extent. I feel Jacobs can pull it off in the rematch. Jacobs proved he's the second best middleweight last night.

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And there is nothing wrong with that, on this site, only Boxing Knowledge is in a position where he is on that level where people look to his score for the correct answer, we are not professional judges, I mean, one day, maybe we could be where BK is at with boxing scoring now, but for us it is just a hobby, we are good at it, but I don't think I'll ever be a professional judge, I mean, I'll say, if you were an accountant and a professional judge, you'd have one busy brain!

One thing we have to remember is how good Jacobs's movement was, he made Golovkin hit thin air many, many times, and he really frustrated him, I mean, Golovkin isn't going to be lazy, so if he doesn't throw enough punches, then there is definitely a reason for that, just like with Danny Garcia, it was about working out how to find the opportunity to let his hands go, rather than just merely throwing punches, because otherwise you're asking a guy to get himself countered.

I yeah I know, but those people aren't worth your time. Yes, so let's do that, I think the key there is a good social life, you seem like the kind of guy who has a lot of friends, which is a good thing, and the relevance this has is that the kinds of good fans, are not the kind of people who comment of on YouTube, and on the Internet, you see much more bad than good, it is hard not to tet frustrated, but out in the real world, even though not that many people follow boxing, that is where you can discuss boxing with other fans who can appreciate the sport, I mean, I'm not saying you can't meet other real fans through the Internet, but I'm saying, the people who sit on their asses all day, behind a screen, are the ones who don't appreciate the sport.

That's true, but only within the bounds of legitimacy.

This interesting, many experts do it, even Paulie Malignaggi, but I don't like it when people overuse the word 'effective' in boxing, the definition of effective, is so,ething that works well, I'm not doubting that you know that, but if we think about that, in a fight this close, who was more effective is not a question with a straight, conclusive answer. Golovkin and Jacobs both achieved clean punching, you could sum it up in lames terms and say, Jacobs lamded more, Golovkin landed better, like Alvarez vs Trout, random example, Morales vs Barrera I, another random example, Trout landed more, Alvarez landed better, Morales landed more, Barrera landed better. For Jacobs, with was his ability to overwhelm Golovkin, to negate his worok, to land with good volume, to deterr GGG with body shots, and to success on a hit and don't get hit basis, for Golovkin, it was his ability to overpower Jacobs, time the power shots, land with force, establish that leverage of being able to land with accuracy and power when being able negate this from his opponent who he tries to stop from working under his pressure.

The only thing that tells me it's more likely is that Golovkin wants all the belts 'it's his dream', I mean, it was a great, clkse fight, Gennady is a reasonable man, Jacobs is easy going and would work on GGG's terms, Saunders, well, tick tock, what's he done since losing to Akavov?, and boy does he need to impress, I don't think he wants to fight Golovkin, he's admitted he's not as good as Golovkin, Frank Warren is a fish eyed pr*** who won't try to make the fight, I mean, I think Saunders should stripped, and GGG vs Jacobs II should be for the WBO title anyway, I mean, Saunders isn't a big punching statemnet maker who os an exciting opponent, he's barely beaten a decent Andy Lee and hyped up, overrated Eubank Jr, and that's it, Jacobs again, is far better ofr Golovkin that Saunders, if they could fight for the belt, then GGG could get all the belts, and not waste his time fighting someone who isn't interested, but rather give the opportunity to a deserving athlete like Jacobs.

I saw that.

Like I said earlier in the comment, I don't agree with that, I think it might have been an off night, it is 50/50, the rematch would tell us, maybe, but whatever, Jacobs boxed beautifully.

Yeah, he's a good scorer. There are people out there who don't know what they are talking about. You have to know who you are talking about. I think it's ridiculous. I said it once and I'll say it again. Close fights aren't robberies, and after every close fight that's a big event, tons of fans say that. I'm not talking about you but others in general.

He did make Golovkin miss a lot and confused him to. I think that Golovkin was trying not to get reckless because he was wary of the punches coming and that's why he was hesitant at times. That and confusion by Jacobs's movement.

Your'e right. You see a lot of negativity on youtube and the internet. I think that has a lot to do with that on the internet you are anonymous and don't suffer any real consequences. That opens the floodgates to a lot of negativity. There have been positives from the internet to. I met some good people nearby that are reasonable about boxing.

Many people have different definitions of effective. That's true and the examples you showed proved that. It really depends on what you favor. With Jacobs negating Golovkins work that made his punching effective to.

I'm just going off things I heard that he could fight Saunders in June. It's not the right move for Saunders but I think it will happen next possibly. I think Jacobs can happen again to. It could be all talk honestly. I think Saunders should be stripped to. He's holding the belt hostage. I think he believes that he won't win so he will hold on to it for as long as he can. Maybe they can strip Saunders and have Golovkin and Jacobs can fight for all the belts in the rematch. I think that's a way better idea than having Golovkin fight Saunders. Like you said Jacobs is more deserving.

I'm done with Angel man. He made himself look like a clown honestly. He screams robbery than gets mad when people say that Herrera and Peterson beat him.

You could be right.

I'm re watching the fight again once it comes out on hbo on demand.

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What I was saying was actually about the opposite thing, but that's true all the same, I was actually saying that to me, it is great to have that reminder sometimes, that this is just a hobby, and we don't need to always put pressure on our minds. That is always going to happen, I mean, I can't blame casual fans for calliung disputable decisions robberies. Yeah I don't recall stooping to that level for years, not even when I was in denial about Mayweather beating Maidana.

I take my hat off to Golovkin for being able to adapt, he was ablw to work around Jacobs defence and awkwardness, he didn't throw a lot of punches, he didn't out land Jacobs, but he was able to throw when it was important, and he was able to land with the intended power and accuracy, that is a champions level of skill, I think the body shots from Jacobs worked very well, and physically deterred Golovkin, that could be one of many ingredients to victory for Canelo. In a sense, I'm glad Golovkin won, I'm just gutted for Jacobs, I wish there could have been two winners.

I'm not sure, maybe, but there are reactions from people, the problem is, they come in large groups. Yeah well just like we said, they are out there, but there aren't many websites like this, nd there is far more bad than good in the YouTube comments section, and the general places like that on the Internet which you look.

One thing I will say about something which I think is terrible, and so misleading in this country for boxing, is betting, now, correct if I'm wrong, but I gather that in the US, gambling is gambling, it's very fun for those who do it, and win, and it is a big thing, but it is what it is, and people understand that it shouldn't be used to determine liklihood from the opinions it those who are trying to win money without knowing about whatever the topic is.

It infuriated me when everyone in the world was fooled and had the wool pulled over their eyes by David Haye, and all insisted Haye vs Bellew was a mismatch, well Dereck Chisora thought Bellew would win, Malignaggi didn't even make a prediction, and said he'd go with Bellew if it goes past six rounds, Johnny Nelson said it was very close, even Adam Smith (who was biased towards Haye), Spencer Fearon, Carl Froch, none of these guys even predicted Haye with confidence, no, the reason why Bellew was such a massiv underdog, was because of fucking bookies odds, some moron in a snappy suit who enjoys conning people of their money for a living gets to stand there and give his opinion on a big fight, because he is in charge of some gambling business, I mean, odds, bookies, they don't know boxing, but more importantly, gambling, amounts of people who gamble for one particular side, should not be used as likelihood as to whether or not something will happen, and to finalise this, it wasn't any of the actual experts who were saying it was a mismatch, it was primarily just the idiots, and nearer towards the end, it was guys like you, who are probably easily convinced, and were looking in the wrong places for opinions to consider, because it was all British, the experts who gave their opinion, were Brits, so had I sent you a video of all the experts, with their predictions, amd explanations, believe me, mismatch, would not have crossed your mind, what I'm saying is, people who gamble, probably whilts deinking and scoffing nuts and crisps, and think they boxing, were able to inluence people, and convince people more than the real experts who were possibly boxers once, and that is very wrong.

You met people nearby in person? That's great, I hate Facebook, Twitter etc, I think I'm all for social media, well, if we lose the media, my I am very much a people person, but my mobile, is a telephone.

One if correct. At this level of 'close', it does depend on what you believe deserves mkre credit. My point here, was that for the harder, possibly cleaner puncher, effective is the wrong word.

Oh yeah I know that's fine, it's not the right move for anybody, the longer he spends out of the ring, the worse it will be, I would rather see Canelo vs Saunders, Canelo should ask, when Saunders is down "pretty good for a shitbag eh?", that way, GGG vs Alvarez, as a unification for all the belts! I know that won't happen yet because of the Chavez fight, but I think it is possible for the future, and it is also good to see the nicer guy shutting up someone with a big mouth, and man, Frank Warren would be shown what's what there.

It's not worth your time, I know you used to like him, but something I've learned about boxing and life in general, is that if you like someone for being out spoken, vile, rude, and enjoy it as entertainment, a bit like the charcater of Adrien Broner, that's encouraging bad behaviour in the adult world, and by all means, it makes us laugh, by all means, it can be helpful from a buiness perspective, but eventually, they will let you down, and their intentions are not good, I'm not saying they are bad people, and hey, I'm sure Angel Garcia is a lovely fella when he's with his family, he must dote on his granddaughter, and like you expressed, Broner isn't a bad guy outside of the sport, but as far as condoning their behaviour, they should be discouraged.

I'm just trying to be honest, and fair, had Jacobs won 3/12 rounds, he would have done far, far better than anybody else, had he done what I thought he would do, and win 2-4/11 rounds, get dropped twice, and get stopped in the last round, he would have done better than even Brook and Murray.

You might think Jacobs won with a second watch, you might think Golovkin won 115-112, it's that kind of fight, I think 7/12 of those rounds could have gone either way, I think rounds 4, 5, and 12 were definitely Golovkin's, and 6 and 10 were definitely Jacobs's, that shows one that the fight could have gone either way.