Danny Garcia vs. Robert Guerrero Scorecard by Champion97


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ROBERT GUERRERO
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Nice card champ. For some reason I was forbidden from the website and ive been trying since November, it keeps doing it to me and I don't know why. Anyways nice to see you are still on here, how you doing man?

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Thanks so much mate, great to see you back on here, I'm doing good, I'm just about to apply for a Marathon, how you doing?

I'm doing good thank you. Good to see that you are doing a marathon and I wish you the best of luck. How do you think the boxing has been since I have been gone, here I'll summarise some key fights and upcoming events. Whyte vs Joshua: Very enjoyable fight, Whyte deserves respect for his performance but talks far too much. Jones vs Maccarinelli: Why isn't Roy giving it up, worse of all, he's fighting a fan for $100,000 which is worthless for a pro boxer. Lee vs Saunders: GET IN BILLY JOE, good slugfest, I didn't think Lee deserved a card, however it doesn't really make a difference. Haye vs De Mori: Didn't Haye look good, easy victory. Garcia vs Guerrero: Closer than people anticipated it would be, Guerrero's best performance for some time. Kovalev vs Pascal: Wow. Groves vs Di Luisa: Easy for Groves, good confidence boosts. Wilder vs Spzilka: I expected a close contest, WIlder is a average boxer if it wasm't for his KO ability, nice KO by Wilder .It seems as such a 4 way deal has been confirmed for Wade/Golovkin/Khan/Alvarez with the 2 winners facing off. Bold move for Amir. This is a massive fight so even if he loses this he is still in contention for Brook. Joshua vs Martin : The hype train on Joshua is annoying here. Whyte got in some attack vs Joshua and people said "Oh Joshua needs to improve here" however, albeit Martin won his title in bad conditions, against a world champion, he "Will win in a round", Joshua has potential, but Eddie Hearn is investing his life savings in Joshua, so it's a huge risk. Also **** matchroom for the Brook fight, who in the hell is the guy he is fighting. No disrespect to him, but Brook should be fighting more household names. Finally, what do you think Tyson Fury's surprise opponent news is, personally I say Hughie vs Wilder, Hughie loses and Tyson gets a fight. Fancy scoring anytime soon and as I have said, nice to be back on here! Thanks for the welcome back btw Champ

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Thanks mate, I'm aiming to finish inside 3 and half hours, things have been great. Joshua vs Whyte was a great, competitive fight, I do think Joshua is a classes above him, and the only reason it wasn't easy is because Joshua wasn't fighting Whyte for money or his career, it was personal, Whyte was the bully, and he knocked the bully out, I thought the commentary from Nick Halling was shocking 'Joshua is in big trouble' he was in minor trouble and going through a mini crisis, he was buzzed, but not in a lot of trouble, and not really suffering, he was fine after about 5 seconds, 'I know Anthony Joshua wanted rounds but I, sure he didn't want them like this', he certainly did, he wanted somebody who could challenge him. Haye looked like he can beat a boxer who isn't in the top 100 in his division, and like he is a paper champion with no class whatsoever. Garcia vs Guerrero was cool, either fighter could have been given the verdict, but I thought 116-112 was a bit wide, and it would have been nice to have seen a split decision, Guerrero deserves a rematch, but he knows he won't get it, Herrera and Peterson didn't have much luck, Garcia looked good, but I thought he would win decisively. I think Groves made a mistake by getting with this trainer, he should have gone to America and hooked up with someone Robert Garcia or John David Jackson, Groves looked good, but against a poor opponent who shouldn't have lasted 5 rounds. What a performance from both Wilder and Szpilka, the fight was awesome, that finish was great, the KO set up was well put together, Szpilka gave Wilder a lot of problems, he boxed beautifully, I think the performance from Wilder was good overall, not great, and not one of his best, but good, and I think we can make allowances, given he fact that he hadn't so much as sparred a southpaw in 3 years. I wish I could agree mate, but Amir has made a terrible mistake, what is your opinion on how that fight will play out? I think Amir will be damaged badly by Alvarez, I hope it will be a lesson to people that you do NOT mess around with weight categories in boxing. I think Joshua will get the win, but I think it will be a tough fight, I think he will stop him late, I think Eddie Hearn is right to believe in Joshua the way he does. I couldn't agree more, it is not Kell Brook's fault at all, and I'm sure he would love to be fighting fighters whom are at least what I could call good fighters at world level, but Bizier is in my opinion a class D fighter, and has nowhere near earned a shot at the world title, I don't know when the IBF are going to stop this, it is not fair on Kell Brook who is having his best years wasted, and the poor boxers who are out of their depth. I think Fury may fight Haye (and smash the Hayefaker back a into retirement), but his uncle has said today that the Klitschko rematch is happening, I hope it does.

No problem mate, good luck on breaking 3 hours 30. The reason I think Amir is making a good decision here because he has taken the risk. With Khan's shabby defense, he may get slaughtered, and likely will considering Canelo will be much bigger on the night too. I go RD 4 KO Canelo, but more people are recognising what Amir has done here. This is definitely a career choice, not short term, but a loss to Brook would put him at less regard than a loss to Canelo in my opinion. I don't mind jumping weights but 2 classes is a bit too much. The IBF is corrupt. losing recognition for the title and mandatories in my opinion. Also, with Fury Klitschko 2 , as we are opposite supporters to put to terms, so this may be biased, but I think the rematch would be a lot closer. Considering Wladimir hardly threw a punch, credit to Fury's movement. I think Wladimir will be more aggressive, which could result in a good fight or him ending up back on the floor. Im gonna score some fights later, so if you are on here tomorrow, maybe we can talk about the scorecards. Its great to be back on here talking to you champ, btw has Acerbitas been on or not, considering he had already scored pretty much every fight , and Corey too, and is there any new people on here?. What is your opinion on Pacquiao Bradley 3? And will Manny retire after the fight? Also what with Juan Manuel Marquez return too which will be this year, I think Marquez is underrated. The only full-blownn schooling he was given was Mayweather, who it is very hard to win rounds against. Margarito is also returning on March 5 but I lost my respect for him after the glove incident and what is your opinion on Luis Ortiz?, I know he has been banned for drugs twice, but the guy is an animal. Sorry the questions keep piling on, but lastly, what is your opinion on Andre Ward as a fighter and his move to Light Heavy. Thanks Champ!

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Thanks. You are right, but I think his health is what is at risk, his body naturally does not react well to being hit, and with his vulnerabilities combined with the immense power and strength of Alvarez just sums up the fact that the fight will take it's toll on him, we have to remember that it only takes one punch from Canelo, it will get easier for Alvarez as Khan gets more tired, Khan will be carrying about 8 lbs more than he is used to, and it is draining to box in this state, Khan will have to work 180 seconds per round, Canelo could win rounds by coming on strong in the last 30 seconds. I think the health of Amir is something to be concerned about, I think he will be well known for swerving Kell Brook, and he won't look better if Canelo is to lose to Gennady Golovkin, I think Khan vs Brook will lose fire. Well said, they are truly shocking, I wonder what they will do to Anthony Joshua if he beats Charles Martin. I understand, but I'm sure a champion as experienced as Klitschko did not go into the fight planning on throwing so few punches, he couldn't find the right distance, he couldn't find any real openings, when he did land, he never fazed his opponent, he could be more aggressive, but what is the point in that? He will just futiley attack a man who can easily absorb his power, and he will leave his vulnerable chin there for the catching, giving Tyson more counter punching opportunities, to me, it is up to Wladimir, if he pulls the trigger, he will get knocked out, if he chooses to box, he will get out classed, exactly, the movement of Fury will not go away if they have a rematch, it will most likely be an improved attribute and a better, more useful tool. I can't talk much tomorrow, but in general I can, I will look forward to seeing your cards, did you get my message about Bugner vs Cooper? It's great to have you back, Acerbitas has continued to be active on EOTR, and is now the only scorer to write analyses longer than me! That takes some doing, Corey is still at the top of the EOTR rankings, I think you met mike25, another good judge who is always up for a discussion on boxing. I will give Manny the edge, but Tim should nit be written off, I think he will be great in the Pacquiao fight, he is extremely underrated, he looked out standing against Brandon Rios, another underrated fighter, Rios vs Garcia is a fight I would love to see, have a guess who I would predict to win. Manny Pacquiao will probably retire after the Bradley fight. I can't see Margarito getting any big fights or causing any real fireworks, not now, Cotto vs Marquez at light middleweight is still an option, and a great opportunity for both fighters. Luis Ortiz is a great talent, I think him in the ring with Joseph Parker would be a great fight. Please, if you have 1000,000 questions then by all means fire away. I think Ward was right to move up to light heavyweight for the sake of Kovalev, but I see little other really great opportunities for him up there.

No Champ, I didn't see your message about Bugner vs Cooper what was it? Thank you for welcoming me back, this website is amazing. I have met Mike before, he is a good judge and for someone to write longer analyses than you does take some doing, props to him for that. As for Andre Ward, a dispatching of Barrera will surely land him Kovalev, how do you think that fight would end. In my opinion, Kovalev will knock out Ward or Ward will outpoint Kovalev. Gennady Golovkin for me is still not to be heavily built up. Golovkin has looked animalistic in his past fights, but his most well known opponent was Martin Murray, I have stated before that I often use mutual opponents to compare opponents, but Golovkin has none. Lemieux was beaten by Joachim Alcine, who wasn't the greatest against him, but Lemieux was even worse. Golovkin needs to face a big fighter before I can judge him, even as the World Champ he is today. What do you think about Shannon Briggs, will he ever get another world title shot, Mosley too. Will Mayweather return to get 50-0 either in your opinion

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It used to be a well known robbery, but I really don't think it was, the four judges to have scored it are myself, Acerbitas, mike25 and Champion58 (my dad), one out of four of us agrees that it was a robbery, I would love to get your take on that fight. I think the sooner Kovalev vs Ward happens the better, I think if Ward is to win, it will be over the course of the full 12 rounds, but Kovalev is not only a devastating, ruthless, destructive puncher, he is a great technical fighter, to school and out box Bernard Hopkins in such one sided fashion, that was absolutely brilliant, I don't think trying to pick Kovalev off at long range is a good idea at all, I think a tight defence on the inside, close up, bobbing and weaving, throwing all kinds of punches from all kinds of angles is the best tactical advice for anyone if they were to beat Kovalev. Golovkin is somebody I feel very sorry for, I think he is a boxing superstar, he is yet to really show us what he is capable of because (like Kell Brook) he is being under challenged, I bet you he is yawning whilst training to fight Dominic Wade, he wants to fight Miguel Cotto in particular, and has done for a while, Lemiux was a very good test for him, he is very clever, he can be hurt, so when he knows you can't hurt him, he let's you hit him so you also know you can't put any dents in him, and he fights the way he wants to, he is yet to face anyone who can really absorb his power, I think he would like to face Canelo, but is wary of Oscar De La Hoya, I wonder if he will move up to super middleweight. I agree that the opposition of Golovkin is rarely anything to write home about, but I really don't think that is his fault. Shannon Briggs is just crazy down to the ground, I was watching his video (knocking Wlad off his paddle) the other day, hilarious, he is a bit of a maniac, I would love to see him fight David Haye, I think he could hurt Klitschko, but the problem would be he would (I believe) be knocked out before he had the chance to. I think Shane Mosley deserves one more shot. No, I very much doubt it, once he beat Manny Pacquiao, my levels of respect for Floyd Mayweather just shot up, I wasn't one of those 'haters' who just would never give a champion respect, I didn't like him for a reason, but beating Pacquiao was always what he needed to do to secure his legacy, he has done that, there wasn't really any need to fight Berto, he shouldn't return and probably won't, I think nobody can beat Mayweather, but if anyone could (because of being a class A fighter with the right style) it would be Shawn Porter, do you agree with that? Speaking of Porter, his fight with Thurman is one I can't wait to see, I keep changing my mind about who is going to win, and are you still saying draw for Frampton vs Quigg?

Thanks for your views champ!, one more question, Sturm or Chudinov? I will watch Bugner vs Cooper and score it later. Shawn Porter is a very entertaining and unorthodox fighter, who would cause mayweather troubles. I have him to beat Thurman. I simply think he's better, in what im not sure, but he looks more clean as a fighter, not in terms of drugs but of consistency. I think the fact that they keep referring to the rematch in Frampton Quiqq clause means that a close decision would be a draw to give the 2nd fight an incentive. I think Quigg is the better boxer due to the fact he can finish opponents well, but never underestimate Frampton. One thing in boxing I am really annoyed with is the Cruiserweight division, it is so lackluster that Huck and Afolabi have to have a 4th fight, its like there are only 6 cruiserweights in the world. BTW champ, what are your predictions results and round, just do the ones you know or definitely have an opinion for, if decision give ud sd or md please, Sturm vs Chudinov, Huck vs Afolabi, Quigg vs Frampton, Leo Santa Cruz vs Martinez (I have never seen Santa Cruz so this will be a first), Lundy vs Crawford, Chagaev vs Browne, How well Margarito will perform vs Paez, Eubank Jr vs Blackwell, Thompson vs Ortiz, Porter vs Thurman, will Jurgan Braehmer beat Oostheuisen, Zab Judah will also return, Brook vs Bizier, Wad vs Barrera, Theophane vs Broner, Smith vs Mouhammedi, Duhaupus vs Helenius, Pacquiao vs Bradley, Martin vs Joshua, Golovkin vs Wade, Nonito Donaire vs Bedak and Khan vs Canelo. Finally, do you like Rigondeaux or not? Sorry I apologise, many many questions, Catching up to do here.

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No worries.
Chudinov, comfortably.
Cool about Bugner vs Cooper.
Yes he is, a very underrated fighter, I am having serious trouble splitting Thurman and Porter.
I agree, I would like to see Tony Bellew let into the mix at world level.

Fedor Chudinov - UD
Marco Huck - UD
Scott Quigg - TKO - 12
Leo Santa Cruz - TKO - 7
Terence Crawford - UD
Lucas Browne - TKO - 10
He will come out victorious, but not really impress anybody.
Chris Eubank Jr - TKO - 10
Luis Ortiz - KO - 9
Draw - SD
I think he will.
I think Judah will win, but it is unknowable as to how much he has left until we see him fight.
Kell Brook - TKO - 2
Andre Ward - UD
Adrien Broner - UD
Callum Smith - TKO - 5
Robert Helenius - UD
Tim Bradley - SD
Anthony Joshua - TKO - 11
Gennady Golovkin - TKO - 4
Nonito Donaire - UD
Saul Canelo Alvarez - TKO - 6
No I do not. I will not accept any apologies for a load of boxing talk!, my bread and butter! Do you agree with some or all of my predictions?

Haha, my bread and butter too. Nice predictions Champ. I agree with every single one of your predictions, I think Sturm vs Chudinov may be slightly closer as Sturm used to be a middleweight, and has a jab and speed advantage, but jabs are all that he seems to throw at the moment. He's been given victories he didn't deserve in his career and In my opinion he moved weights the wrong way, he should have been a big light middle with his fight style like De La Hoya. I don't like Rigondeaux or Lomachenko, they have the amateur boxer style still which I find boring. Explain to me how on earth Lomachenko had a title fight after 1 fight against Salido. Anyway Rigo is 36 this year and started his career way too late. Is Santa Cruz up there with Carl Frampton and Scott Quigg in your opinion, as I said I have never seen him. Bellew is a good fighter but would have a better chance if he moved back to Cruiser as Light heavy is turning competitive. It hasn't been like this since Jones, Hopkins, Tarver and other world class level fighters. I've seen highlights of Browne and Chagaev but not a full fight too, is Browne a good fighter or power puncher and is he comparable to any other heavyweight fighter. Chagaev looks like Arreola, a large heavyweight and seems to get tired easy so I go Browne too. I have a feeling Pac will be robbed to give MGM a new big star at welter of it is a close decision rather like the first fight and what happened to De La Hoya against Sturm when he was gifted the win just to fight Hopkins. Thanks for answering my questions. Terence Crawford seems to be fighting nobody's too, who is Lundy, and who was Dierry Jean. He seems protected. Finally, bearing in mind that Firy beats Klitschko, can he beat Wilder and how long will he hold the belts for. I ink he can box rings around wilder but has to watch the power punch. Thanks again Champ.

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Thanks man, but I think Chudinov can negate that jab, he is young, and still improving. I', a fan of Lomachenko, I think he is a sensational fighter, I think his fights are only boring when he fights guys who can't challenge him, and with that amateur record of 396-1, that is absolutely fantastic, and it is hard to adapt to the pro game, Rig (can't be bothered to spell his whole name) on the other hand is somebody I think has been avoiding big fights, I think he wants his skills to be appreciated, on the undercard of Cotto vs Canelo (would be cool to get your card for that fight), he was fighting someone shocking, nothing was happening, throughout the fight, Rig just refused to work hard in any rounds, just a waste, much like Odlanier Solis, Solis is the most depressing fighter in the planet in my opinion, he hasp such talent and potential to be one if the best (could have beaten Ortiz, Wilder etc, I believe), but just ate and sat his way out of the sport, I thought he looked shocking against Thompson the first time they fought, I thought he turned a corner, and in a fight I predicted him to win, he was comfortably beaten by somebody who should not have had what it takes to overcome him, what did he do? Appealed for the rematch, got it, and came in over 10 lbs heavier (fat), and lost in embarrassing fashion (quitting on stool), I think he has retired now, what a sad story. Richly, Rig says 'Frampton and Quigg are both cowards', Leo Santa Cruz is significantly better than Frampton and Quigg in my opinion, I think he is the best in his division, I'm sure you will be very impressed if you watch him fight. I think Chagaev will come in in much better condition that Arreola, but I see what you mean. I can't see Manny getting robbed, but I can see him having major problems with a ,uch improved fighter in Timothy Bradley. I have to disagree in that one, I think Henry Lundy is a very good fighter, and a very tough test for any body, I don't know whether or not his win over Richard Abril (one of my favourite fighters and one of the most underrated on the planet) was legitimate, but I still think he is a step up, and I don't think Jean is a bad fighter, but I do see what you mean mate, there are fights out there for him that don't look promising. I think Wilder vs Fury would be great, I think the fight would go long, I think we would be in round 10, Wilder is trailing let's say by 3-7 points on the cards, so not being blown out completely, but comfortably behind, or rather, Fury is comfortably ahead, I can see Wilder gambling like the true champion he is, dropping Tyson Fury, having him in a world of trouble, but cater a couple of brutal rounds, the fight ending with Fury stopping Deontay Wilder.

Thanks for all your inputs champ! Scored a couple of fights today. Lomachenko doesn't bore me and I admire that he steps up big time. That record is amazing now I can understand why he got a title fight, fair play to him. Rigo is accordingly to Bunce one of the p4p best yet avoids everyone around him and is fighting Jazza Dickens, who I don't know much about. Odlanier Solis I remember, did he fight Vitali? That is a sad story and he hasn't fought since 2014 now. Considering Luis Ortiz is 37 in March, was he a late starter or in the amateur game for a while considering he is only 20 something and 0, I know about the drug ban, but still you consider someone his age starting boxing between 1997-2002 ish. I'm looking forward to seeing Santa Cruz, how does he fight? And can you see the winner of Frampton/Quigg facing him? Chagaev is a big heavyweight however at least he can train well for fights, but Lucas Browns seems like a big KO artist. Manny vs Bradley is sure to be good. I have never seen Henry Lundy, but if it came out as if O was disrespecting him I'm sorry. I like Abril too. I liked Dierry Jean but I hated the American commentators jumping on the Crawford bandwagon, he was a good test and had bright sparks. Fury vs Wilder is surely going to happen isn't it now? By the way champ I made a forum post before, 16 years ago today. 2 fighters me and you know well. I still think the first fight was the best fight I've ever seen

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Solis did fight Vitali, but he came in out of shape as per, he wasn't having a bad round, and right at the end of the opener, something went wrong with his leg, and he went down, it went down as a KO, I think the difference between Ortiz and Solis is that Ortiz has put his issues behind him, whereas I don't see any possible way back for Solis now, did you know that he stopped David Haye in the Belfast 2004 Amateur Championships? They were scheduled to fight as professionals, but surprise surprise, Haye pulled out. Santa Cruz is initially an outside fighter, he doesn't come across as a big puncher, he is the kind of fighter who is very athletic (do the full 12 is not an issue), he always sustains a high work rate, he boxed at range, but he has proved recently that he can fight on the inside, and he can punch when the opportunity comes his way, his is a very sharp puncher, not the most heavy handed, but he can punch, he is not the physically strongest, but I think he can take a shot to say the least, he is tall for the weight, he has been calling put Carl Frampton for a long time now. I can see the winner of Frampton vs Quigg facing Leo Santa Cruz, I think all 3 want to fight the best in their division. No worries mate, Lundy is not a well known fighter, I agree that Crawford has been praised for the wrong reasons by a lot of Americans, not too much, but for the wrong reasons, I do think he is a great fighter, I want to see him fight Richard Abril, who by the way is in my opinion the best defensive fighter that ever lived, with the exception of Floyd Mayweather Jr, did you see his fight against Rios? I think Wilder vs Fury will happen eventually, but more likely to be put off until 2017, though no choice of Fury or Wilder, but the main thing is that it will happen, I like Deontay Wilder, and I think he made David Haye look like a skumbag with the amount of class he showed towards his opponent who had been knocked out and badly hurt (given that this happened just hours after Haye has swept his injured knock out victim under the carpet), but I think Fury is just too good, so what would your precise prediction be for Fury vs Klitschko 2?

My precise decision for fury Klitschko 2 would be an even scorecard with a late Fury KO. It's been proven Wlad can take a punch, so if he goes all out, I can see him nabbing a few of the later rounds, especially if Fury starts of quick. Odlanier Solis sounds like he could have been a big deal, if it wasn't for his own problems. I'm looking forward to see Santa Cruz now, he sounds like a Canelo style fighter, not often heavy punching but will make you work 3 minutes a round, although Canelo's power is becoming increasingly better. Richard Abril is a son of a gun, the guy is a great defensive fighter who should be way bigger than he is actually recognised. The fight vs Rios was daylight robbery, something I will get round to scoring soon. I don't mind Rios but his reaction annoyed the hell outta me, saying he felt like he dominated. Yes Deontay was very kind to Arttur Szpilka, and I'm sorry to say it champ, I think that punch would knockout everyone in the division, but he just doesn't show enough of that, he backs off like Ali did rather than cover up too defensively. I think that after may have a career after that fight, he looked world class. I don't mind David Haye, although he can be a rather annoying idiot at times, repetitively screaming, "I'm back" was a little unsportsmanlike considering De Mori was on Oxygen away with the fairies. That points links nicely to the leaderboard , I'm back on it and I ain't going nowhere haha. A question I would like to ask, specifically for people like Roy Jones Jr who is going out and doing terrible performances, and in the enzo fight being clean out, do you think fighters should have 5 year licenses or so and the Board can strip them. Jones needs to retire or he will end up with dementia puglistica, which is notorious in boxers who have gone overboard, although it can happen to any boxer, it's more synonymous with people fighting on for too long. By no means am I saying 44 year old world champions or people like BHop who are still great should be stripped, but someone who's best years are by far behind them, it can solve health issues and if they ha e fights left on they're contracts, they can still be payed out, so financial troubles wouldn't be affected

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I think Tyson would stop him, but I think he would be well ahead on all the cards. Santa Cruz is nowhere near as protected as Canelo, and he is the kind of guy who always wins well, on a different but not unrelated topic, I think Canelo should run 1000 miles from De La Hoya, I think Oscar is trying to create him as a pretty boy who you all love to hate, and always 'finds a way', I think he is all about reputations and money, but I think Canelo wants to be more of a caveman, I think he envies Maidana, which is why he should leave his trainer (I believe), and see if Robert Garcia would train him, you agree with that mate? I think Fury would be switched into fighting mode by that punch, but most, and I mean most as in vitally all, fighters would have been knocked out by that punch. If there is anyone I don't like in this business, it is David Haye, and like you said, he was very unsportsmanlike towards a deluded boxer who was in a bad way, I also think Haye is overrated, you agree? I agree 100%, but I don't think money has anything to do with Jones being silly by killing himself in this sport, he should lose his licence, for his own safety.

I agree with you champ, David Haye is overrated because of a fight with Klitschko, he's a cruiserweight who moved up for the big money. I think that Maidana is a fighter that everyone should fear (but I pray for him, he's not in good condition at all, very overweight, but a fighter I love to watch, God bless him) Robert Garcia would be a good coach for Canelo yes, Oscar sees money in Canelo so he's building him like a snail, slowly so that no money is to be lost on him. By the way, do you think Canelo looks like Rick Astley? At least Deontay is gracious. Boards should have control over boxers who don't recognise their own safety, so then they can counteract with this, Do you think Muhammad Ali was overrated? Ali was good during his time, but he seemed like a Klitschko style fighter, who isn't invincible

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Well said, have you seen his fight against Valuev? Maidana will be fine, he may return, he may not, but when you do what he has in his career, you have done enough to be a legend. Good eye, I can see the resemblence there. Very much so, I have always said that Ali was overrated, he lost five fights, plus, a case could be built that he lost 10, people say 'that's Ali, I'm talking about Cassius Clay', and that is a a very good point, but I' nit criticising an unwell 38 year old Ali for losing so badly to Larry Holmes, he didn't become Ali when he was past his prime, I believe he was about 30, so if people just talk about Clay, you're talking about a very short career, I know he beat Liston, but he was past his prime, I don't think Ali did anything that many other world champions have done. I don't think Ali was anything like Klitschko, Klitschko likes to look good on paper, by cheating in fights, but cheating in a very subtle way, whereas Ali was the kind of fighter who fought clean, but often had close fights against fighters that should not have given him competitive fights, let alone actual close fights, a little bit like Danny Garcia.

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If you don't mind if I cut in Champ but Ali was almost as bad as Klitschko in terms of cheating. Grabbing behind the neck is a foul and he was only warned for it but never had points deducted. We see nowadays guys do that a few times and they have 1 point taken off. Ali held behind the neck over 100 times in the second Ali vs Frazier fight but the referee was told not to deduct points apparently. Sometimes he clinches but most of the time he held illegally. He would have been disqualified in the majority of fights today. Hate to say it but it is true.

Additionally I hate it when people say Cassius Clay/ young Muhammad Ali was so much better than the 70's Ali because he wasn't that much better in my opinion. Ali from the 60's was faster and moved more but Ali from the 70's was so much smarter and tougher. Ali was done twice against Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper in the 1960's and Angelo Dundee cheated to get Ali out of being so dazed. Had a few things changed that night Henry Cooper may have stopped Cassius Clay. You never know. Just food for thought I guess.

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Of course I don't mind, it is always good to learn things from other judges, you are much more familiar with boxing history than I am. That caused a lot of fireworks amongst the fans according to my dad, I think he cut his glove, it is clever, but it is cheating, I think he would have lost as well.

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The glove gave him a few extra seconds, Dundee used smelling salts to revive Ali but smelling salts were banned in British Boxing and therefore was finitely cheating. Not Ali's fault but he likely would have lost.

Yes, the fight vs an aging Valuev was very lacklustre, that wasn't a world title quality fight, it made money because it was truly David vs Goliath. Maidana is a legend, maybe not in the eyes of the pundits and saying he is an Atg, but what he shown in the ring every fight is a true representation of him. His favourite fight of mine is Erik Morales, what a fight that was, one eyed Morales was fighting world class against him, Maidana getting the MD. I didn't mean Klitschko, I met Wilder, with the resemblance being big power punches and when he moved away from punches, he never blocked or fought back, just stood back, which makes fights look closer than they actually were. Sturm vs Chudinov on box nation rtonight, surely Sturm will retire if he loses

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Yeah, and I actually thought he lost, no complaints about the decision, but I had him pipped by a point, against an out of date lump of a champion. Maidana isn't interested in hogging approval from pundits, he knows he is worthy of all the respect in the world, and I think that is enough for him, the Morales situation was not just 'Maidana can't be much good if he can't destroy a faded champion in Morales' like people have said, but more that 'Morales just be some boxing legend of he can fight like this against a strong, tough Argentine machine like Chino Maidana', I do think Maidana was not the same fighter as he was when he hired Robert Garcia, but still, what a performance from Erik Morales, I would have liked to have seen a split decision for that fight, and also for the cards to have hit dead ends of 115-113 either way, but oh well. That makes much more sense, I can similarities between Ali and Wilder. I think that would be wise, I can see him losing, losing comfortably, but, not because he is out of date, but because he is in there with a great, rising champion in Fedor Chudinov, so are you saying Sturm wins?

I have a new fight simulator which I am going to simulate the fight on now. I think that Chudinov will win a UD, for being a far slicker opponent to Sturm. I have just simulated Joshua vs Martin with scores of 117-111, 118-110, and 119-109 in favour of Joshua, so a wide UD. They have 28,000 fighters on, so would you like me to do any fights on it to test any fighters between any class in history, (limit of 3 weight classes) If so, leave a list down below please. I might do Maidana vs Barrera too

Champion97's picture

I agree about Chudinov vs Sturm, I think Joshua will stop Martin late? Would be really cool to read a simulation between Barrera and Maidana!!

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I agree about Chudinov vs Sturm, I think Joshua will stop Martin late? Would be really cool to read a simulation between Barrera and Maidana!!

Ok I sure will, just going to do a Simulation of Sturm vs Chudinov now, This is an amazing simulator. Is Glowacki a good fighter or was it just his style that counteracted Huck's?

Acerbitas's picture

I have my own thread of computer simulations. This could be very interesting. We should compare the outcomes. My simulation had Chudinov winning by TKO in round 7.

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Round 1 - Guerrero
Round 2 - Could go either way
Round 3 - Garcia
Round 4 - Guerrero
Round 5 - Could go either way
Round 6 - Garcia
Round 7 - Garcia
Round 8 - Could go either way
Round 9 - Garcia
Round 10 - Guerrero
Round 11 - Garcia
Round 12 - Guerrero