Bradley Skeete vs Diego Ramirez Scorecard by SalTnutZ1


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
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BRADLEY SKEETE
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DIEGO RAMIREZ
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Champion97's picture

Keeping away from Gold for sake of mental health.

'I think even a washed Korobov should provide more of a fight than Monroe. I, too, would be shocked to see him go far. But I'd watch 5-7 rounds of Korobov who will come to fight, over any amount of Monroe fighting so damn negative. I can't think of a fighter I enjoy watching less than Monroe. Been hearing some rumors on the Charlos though, and their use of USADA rather than VADA raising some eyebrows. Not accusing them, but was seeing what you thought of it. Have just read/heard more about it this week, given how Monroe went out of this fight'.

I agree, because based on the Uzcategui and Lee fights, Korobov his better than Monroe by a fair bit. I agree on Monroe, against Saunders, having watched him fight, gotten an idea of his style, why box going backwards and throw singles?, terrible game plan. I think Monroe lacks power and output, Broner lacks output, Farmer lacks power, Monroe lacks both, and the only way a fighter can lack both and get away with it, is if they are Mayweather, but Monroe, few skills, but he doesn't have the ring IQ of a great fighter, and he lacks both power and output. I really hope the Charlos aren't using PEDs, I believe they missed the test, but hopefully they did on purposely avoid the test, drug use is terrible for boxing.

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Yeah, I think he is too negative, without any stand out skills. Never been a fan of Monroe. I hope you are right on them, I had just read a bit about the missed tests, and heard a few podcasters/prognosticators talk about some rumors with them. Worth keeping an eye out if nothing else. Also saw on Boxing Scene today that Oscar is going to push for Ry to stay at 135, and for him to get a title shot in 2019. I know you don't think these guys are ready yet(and for me Ry should wait until 2020), but between him and Lopez, who do you think has a better chance of winning a title, should they fight for one, in 2019, given that either would have to face the level of comp of who we spoke of previously, the likes of a Beltran, Easter, etc.?

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-135-ideal-weight-me-win-world-ti...

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Garcia is big for 130, at his age, surely he couldn't make 130 forever, so him moving up to 135 is a good idea, I think he'd adapt very quickly. Great question, Garcia has the more professional experience, Lopez has looked more dominant, has had an easier time at the level he has been fighting at. I would say Lopez, he isn't ready for a while in my opinion, but of the two of them, Garcia needs more work, and I say that based on their last two fights, Garcia won, did well, but Lopez was just able to dominate on another level, so in terms of who is more ready, I would say Lopez based on him being less occupied at the level they are both fighting at, but he is less experienced, has less of an idea of his own flaws than Garcia does, and I think people who laugh at the idea of Lopez vs Garcia, saying Garcia has no chance, are not giving Garcia a fair shake, but I still think Lopez is more prepared for a big step up, not prepared overall, just more so than Garcia, who needs time. This might mean nothing, but I do not like Lopez Sr, 'these guys are terrible fighters', talking about Garcia and I believe Haney, he should not get it into his son's head that his rivals are terrible and they can't compete with him, arrogance, complacency, dangerous in boxing, and any young fighter needs a good, honest trainer, not a yes man who doesn't prepare for challenges, that is of the way he talks in interviews is anything to go by, and if it is, he needs to step down like Garcia Sr did, because I thought Garcia Sr was a another one of these trash talking dad/trainers, but you have to respect him for being honest and telling his son to get a better trainer.

Yes, I think Darleys Perez should be next for Lopez, Garcia, maybe Perez as well, 6 months to a year later, and his next fight should be Edson Ramirez or an opponent like that. If Garcia and Lopez fight for world titles when they should in my opinion, they still fight for a world title well before they are 25, and the key in my opinion, for young fighters, is always fight an improvement on your previous opponent, a small improvement if you aren't happy with previous performances, take bigger steps if it's all too easy, you agree with that?

Overall, I don't disagree much, I'm just slightly more a believer in building, and you seem to be more of a believer in learning on the job, but you say 2019 for Lopez, 2020 for Garcia, I say 2020 for Lopez, 2021 for Garcia, so not that much difference, like with Munguia, don't 100% agree, but I still think these might for a world title fight in less than 3 years and 2 should suffice.

I actually saw the article earlier, but thanks anyway.

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I’ll lay out what I think could/should happen for each guy, from my perspective. I still think Ry has a better shot at 130, but if he has to move, he has to move, I get it. Both of these timelines are based more on how I think it could go based off current rankings and talk of their respective teams in terms of how quick they want to move them along.

For Lopez, planning on an end of 2019, beginning 2020 scenario, I think he has 2 obvious routes. As of November 2018, Lopez has a top 15 ranking in both the WBO and WBA, which makes sense, since the obvious future matchup for him would be Loma, given they are both TR fighters, but I will leave that match out of my thoughts, because I think that would be an end of 2020 fight at best for him.

In the WBO scenario, where he is ranked 14 before the Menard fight, so he could move up, I think Lopez should fight Edner Cherry on the Álvarez-Kovalev undercard. I’d then follow that up with a Rey Beltran fight in mid to late Summer, as he is also TR, former champion, and currently ranked 6 by WBO. The final fight of the year, contingent on winning those first two, would be against WBO number 1, Roman Andreev. That would set him up for Loma, or whoever the WBO champion is.

In the WBA scenario, I’d also have him fight an Edner Cherry in his first fight of the year. I’d next have him in a Summer bout against WBA number 7 Robert Easter Jr. contingent on him winning the first two, I’d pencil him in to fight for the vacant WBA Regular title against WBA number 2 Anthony Crolla. This also would position him for a bout against Loma, which I do believe has serious 2020 potential.

For Ryan Garcia, I’d also have 2 different scenarios in mind for him, targeting 2 different belts. Since he only has a couple fights at the weight, he’d have to work his way into the rankings for his title shot. These would be 6 fight plans, ending in a shot at start of 2021.

For both the IBF and WBC routes, which I think are his best bets based on both promotional ties and ease of route, I’d have hi: in the same 3 fights in 2019. First fight of the year would be Henry Lundy. His Summer bout would be against Felix Verdejo. His Fall/Winter bout would be against Romero Duno, giving him 3 gradual step ups.

For his 2020, IBF route, I’d start with a Mercito Gesta, as it is both an easy fight to make promotionally, but also the best opponent, per Box Rec, of his career. Should he make this step up, I’d then match him in Summer 2020 against Devin Haney, battle of prospects and number 10 rated in IBF. Should he win all of those, the final 2020 fight in this IBF route would be IBF number 4 Edis Tatli, likely giving him a good position for a title shot.

In his WBC scenario for 2020, I’d slate him against Javier Fortuna in the early Spring, current number 4 in the WBC. I’d then put him against promotional stablemate Jorge Linares, former champion and would a true test to see if he is title worthy/ready. I’d then put him in against Zaur Abdullaev, WBC number 3 and undefeated prospect. Should he win these, I think he’d be in position, both in terms of preparedness and ranking, to fight for the WBC title.

Thoughts?

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To be honest, I don't pay much attention to rankings, but top 15, I would say that's fair enough despite his inexperience, given the statements he just made in his last 2 fights.

Good match, step up, not too much of a step up, also, another potential opponent for Lopez might be Aik Shakhnazaryan, but I understand that in terms of location, management, Cherry is a better opponent. I don't think that's a bad plan, I just think realistically, that is going to take him 18 months more likely than a year, but I agree in terms of what the best route to take is for getting the Lomachencko shot, I'm just not convinced that's enough preparation.

Another good plan, I still think against Robert Easter, he might find himself lacking experience, might underestimate the guy who has had questionable decisions, been dropped and is easy to underestimate, but that would be a great learning fight for him. Again, agree on it being a realistic fight to make, if Lopez is matched against the right opponents to get him in a position to fight Lomachencko, I just don't think it is enough preparation, don't think it is enough experience.

Again, good matchmaking, but the only thing I think is slightly unrealistic is the time scale, and I can't see Garcia, Lopez fighting 3 times a year when they step up to Easter, Verdejo level.

That's a good learning fight for Garcia, but it would be a risky fight if he fought Gesta next, and I just think realistically, Tatli, Linares, Abdullev, to have Garcia fighting these guys next year, stepping up from the level he is fighting at now, and putting him at the top level at such a young age, no matter how good the next year is, I just don't think it's enough time, and in my opinion, there is no rush.

I think it's what I said, you are talking about scenarios where these guys don't go into big fights without having worked towards it, but what I'm saying is, they have bags of time, why not make a realistic plan, use an extra year, fight for a world title maybe still in their early twenties, in other words, those match ups you list, great match ups, but in my opinion, they should take an extra year, not fight Easter, Linares for more than a year from now, good plans, but I just think it's not enough time for the fighters to move from one fight to another, and I think when they step up to this level, and every fight is a step up, no more than 2 fights a year, no less, no more.

Mostly agree overall, I think you've made a good plan for building towards world title fights, some good match ups there.

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Also, Warrington vs Frampton this weekend should be good, you think Warrington will out work and bully Frampton to keep his title?, I see Frampton just having too many skills, being the puncher as well, he doesn't go back in straight lines like Selby. Should be a good fight

SalTnutZ1's picture

I think he has a scrappers chance. But also, wanted to change up for the competition, as I knew Frampton would be heavily picked.

Champion97's picture

I see, well he was an underdog against Selby, and he won that fight fair and square. Which you looking forward to more?, Warrington vs Frampton?, or Whyte vs Chisora II?

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Whyte Chisora I think could be an absolute war, or complete bore. With Frampton-Warrington, I think we know we’ll get action.

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I think Whyte can win a boxing match against Chisora, but for most of the fight, a brawl is even, I don't think it will be as entertaining as the first fight, because I think it will be a clear victory, I still think Whyte has the best resume in the heavyweight division other than the 3 giants, because who out of Miller, Ortiz, Pulev, Povetkin (definitely in the last 7 years), Kownacki, etc, has a win as significant as a win over Parker?, I think Whyte is deserving of the Joshua shot, but he was was wise to take this fight, it is very winnable, makes a lot of money, and holding out on a Joshua fight is not the best idea, because Joshua has a lot of options.

Who you like for Joshua next out of Pulev, Miller, Whyte?

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I’ve been hearing they may change that April date to NYC for Joshua-Miller.

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You like that fight best of all Joshua's options assuming Wilder vs Fury II is next? And do you agree on Whyte's resume being the best of the heavyweights in the 4-10 ranking?

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I mean, if he can't get the fight with Wilder or Fury, it is likely his best option if he wants to make his US mark. If it is going to be in the UK though, if Whyte wins against Chisora, that should be the fight. I can't argue against it compared to others for sure. But, I think that Ortiz is still the better, more dangerous fighter, and I'd like Parker were they to rematch, as I think he knows what he needs to change tactically, and nearly ended him at the end of last fight.

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I agree, I think it is an interesting fight, and likely to be a very entertaining fight, I think Miller is physically stronger than Joshua, which alone makes it an interesting fight because Joshua has never fought as the less physically strong fighter I don't think.

I think what you say is very fair, as long as you acknowledge the significance and merit of Whyte's win over Parker, which you just did, as being better than any wins for other fighters (outside the 3 giants), then I think it is very fair to be more in favour of Ortiz if you think Ortiz is better and would also beat Parker, because of how impressive he's been in some wins but most of all what he showed us against Wilder. I agree, I think Parker came back too soon, he was unfortunate with the head clash knockdown, but Whyte was the better fighter that night, still, Parker got up off the deck to put Whyte down, did very well. Parker is only 26, he can improve, be top 5 in the future, you agree?

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I definitely think Parker is young enough, and talented enough to come back. Next big fight he has, he just has to be more willing to let his hands go. He will always have some issues with the massive size of the 3 Kings at Heavy, but if he were more aggressive, popping in and out with his attacks to the body and head, rather than trying to fight at range, off the back foot, he is strong enough and skilled enough to be right there.

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I agree, but I also think Lennox Lewis made some great points about angles, Parker not moving back in straight lines, and there being adjustments he can make, rather than it just being about him letting shots go with more intent. I agree, I think his lack of reach is am issue for him when he tries to box at long range. I thought Tony Bellew and Carl Froch were harsh on Parker with their commentary, Parker wasn't doing a Broner, Barthelemy, wasn't disinterested, he was malled by a strong fighter who's time it was.

Teofimo Lopez is fighting Diego Magdaleno on the Alvarez vs Kovalev II undercard, that's a slight step up I think, but I don't think it's as much of a step up as both of us said would be ideal for Lopez, but if he fights 3 times in 2019 then Magdelano fight is a good one, but I don't think Magdaleno challenges Lopez. What do you think?

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I think if Magdaleno is first, they may be planning on 4 fights this year. I don’t think he is much better than Menard. He needed a little more than a guy to be hit. He needs a real, proven fighter who can challenge him, take his shots, and push the pace, to both season him, but also to test to see if he really is what his team thinks he is. If the next fight after this is against Beltran, I think that is the real next step for him.

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3 or 4 whichever, that's a busy year, but I think whether or not Lopez is doing enough, fighting Mag, depends on whether or not he fights more than twice in 2019. Definitely, I 100% agree with that, test his adaptability. Not a bad match up, I just wonder if he might be matched against someone less dangerous, but maybe not, fighters have to take risks. Do you think Perez would be a good next opponent as well?

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He’d be okay, though I think he isn’t enough of a jump, due to his age, and his last fight of real meaning being 3 years ago, and he got crushed by a Crolla. I’m also not sure who is promoting him currently, which sucks to have to constantly think about, but a part of the equation. Beltran just has the advantage of being recently removed from a title, a stablemate, so if they give him that big step up, I don’t know who else it would be.

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Crolla is not bad though, and Perez is a stepping stone, that's what Lopez needs, I say Perez because he just gave Dadashev 9 good rounds, and Lopez appears to be better than Dadashev, but at the end of the day, they are both young, unproven prospects. I like the Beltran fight.

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What's your take on Efe Ajagba?

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Big, strong, athletic kid; nothing to not like so far. Like to see him moved a little quicker(I know, it’s my MO, haha) and see how he does against guys he can’t put to sleep so quickly, or those who give him one look and run, hahaha. Once he starts making his move up to the Kevin Johnson level of opponent, I think we will see him stretched out in terms of rounds, and can see what his stamina and punch variety are all about

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100% agree, Kevin Johnson would be the perfect opponent for him.

By the way, something that occured to me, I know I disagreed on Lopez and Munguia being ushed forward so fast, but to be fair to you, Ken Shiro took tough fights against Ganigan Lopez and Pedro Guevara at a young age, struggled, but those fights were the experience he needed, could be the same for Lopez and Munguia I suppose

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That’s where my mind is. Some guys most definitely need to slowly climb the ladder, build upon their wins and develop, and other guys who operate on power, strength, athleticism, and who has some fundamentals in their build to the pros, you can let those guys go at a younger age. Too many fighters, promoters worry about protecting that 0, and don’t let their guys get into scraps, so when those big fights come and they are challenged, they can get exposed.

The Charlo card on early enough over there for you to catch it live, or will you be catching up Sunday?

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No, it isn't on live, I'll catch up on Sunday.