Badou Jack vs. James DeGale Scorecard by mike25


scorecard by MIKE25
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JAMES DEGALE
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Hey bud, did you notice you missed the last round knockdown?, just letting you know so you can correct the error. Hopefully we get to see the rematch soon!

I just fixed it. Thanks for telling me. This was a great fight and I hope the rematch is next. I feel for jack because I saw a lot of people pick degale to win and I thought jack did the better work in the fight to win it, only to get a draw. Especially in the later half I thought he won it in the later half.

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No worries bud, a great man once said, you show me someone who's 'never made a mistake', I'll show you a liar. I thought he won too.

I hope the rematch happens soon. Do you agree with the draw or do you think Jack clearly won? For me right now I think Jack clearly won.

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If you'd have asked me 12 hours ago I'd have agreed, but I think Jack should vacate his belt and move up to 175 if he feels he should be competing in the light heavyweight division, so e great fights for him up there, Ward, Kovalev, Stevenson, Beterbiev. I believe Degake has to fave some typical IBF level mandatory next, and the WBC, well I think the next mandatory there is either Callum Smith, or Anthony Dirrell. I still think Jack vs Degale II is a great idea if Jack does want to stay at 168, but it's not going to hapoen if he moves up, and I just think, why would he have been so (I don't want to say insistent), keen for the rematch to be at light heavyweight?

Haha, I'll tell you, coffee keeps you awake, but it doesn't do a lot for your concentration, the answer is I don't know. Callum Smith had it even, a lot of reliable analysts had Degale a couple up, the majority thought Jack won, and by my eyes (this is the relevancd of the orgional point) I don't know, because my perception wasn't up to my potential standard, I was still able to judge it to an extent, but I was slow, and I went along with what Adam Smith and Carl Froch were saying. Something I think we should remember is that although Floyd could be the best boxer who has ever lived, and nobody understands the sport better than him, you can be a human encyclopedia with Steven Hawking's level of intelligence, but if your biased, and this clouds your judgement, then, you know.

If you told me Adam Smith was Sheldon Cooper's long lost father, I would believe you, you see the resemblance there?

I feel that Jack won pretty comfortably. I would rather see Jack at Super Middleweight then light heavyweight based on a competitive standpoint. I personally think he's a top 3 super middleweight. I'm not sure how he is on his weight but if he's having trouble at 168 then the move to 175 is a good move. Light Heavyweight is a huge step up from super middleweight in my opinion. I would like to see the rematch at 168 rather than 175.

Yeah, Floyd knows his stuff but could be biased. By the way what do you think of Davis vs Lomachenko?

I'm not sure I will have to look.

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Well in realism, he didn't, because no matter what you're eyes tell you, if the pundits who say Degale won or could have won legitimately say just that, then they're right, but if in your eyes Jack won with no subjectivity, then you have the right yo keep that opinion, but really it can't be valid, believe it or not it doesn't really have anything yo do with your perception, I believed the same as you until the other day, but in reality, Eddie Hearn, Carl Froch, Joe Gallagher, Callum Smith all say the fight could have gone either way, and they are nowhere near the only ones, obviously, and who apart from Floyd Mayweather (his biased promoter), says it was a decisive victory? Well I'm not too sure, it's hard to say, there are more great fights at 168, but in my opinion the better fights are at 175. Yes, that's definitely something we should consider a priority. Jack vs Degale II, Stevenson vs Jack, they're all fantastic fights, all that matters in my opinion, is that Jack is competing in the division in which he is most comfortable, as we all said before the fight, Jack and Degale were evenly matched, a rematch is potentially a great idea, of course, but I don't think it will happen, and definitely not the immediate rematch, because Deagle has been ordered yo face a mandatory, if he doesn't, he could lose his title. And the more time rolls on, the more likely Jack will be to want to fight at light heavyweight, I don't think we need the rematch, Jack can be in great figyt at 175, Degale, at 168, I'd rather see Degale vs Groves.

I think that's far too soon for Davis, I feel Lomackenko is a class above, but I think Mayweather would be crazy to try to make that might. I feel Walsh beats Davis, forget Lomackenko, Walsh getting denied his opportunity must stop, and because Davis is the champion now, he should be ordered to face Walsh.

I respect the pundits and everything but I disagree as of now. I'm actually going to rewatch it and see what I think of how the fight went. Maybe I didn't catch something the first time and I'll see it the second time. As of Floyd Mayweather, I rank him in the top 3 of all time and the best of our generation, I don't agree with everything he says. He said that Kovalev beat Ward and I don't agree wven though it could've went either way, said that pacquiao vs bradley 3 a draw. I do agree on the fact that Jack has bad luck with judges. I say maybe later this year or early 2018 the rematch happens. Have Degale fight his mandatory in like may or june then have the rematch in november or december. If he feels more comfortable at 175 then he should go for it, it's just I don't know for sure how good he will do.

Yes, very soon for Davis. Floyd said he won't put him in there with Loma any time soon which is good.

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As someone who knows this scenario very well, I advise you just agree with the pundits (reliable, knowledgeable pundits), I has this discussion with Acerbitas too many times, unproductively, you're not an idiot, I know that!, and hey, why do you even need to take my advice?, you don't, but as some who thinks you have enjoyed learning about boxing, and like the thought of being right, rather than stubborn, I'm telling you that arguing that something a group of analysts (again, real analysts, forget Lederman and Merchant), or even just occasional pundits have said is invalid is valid, or something that they have said is valid is invalid, is a pointless exercise. To be honest, I think of you watch it again, with your level of knowledge but also willingness to watch out for things you may have missed befkre, you probably will come back with a scorecard a round or two closer, and say the same thing as me. I think he's number one, of any era, but there is no definitive answer here. Yes, well taht's because he has some personal dispute going on with Andre Ward, and he Pacquiao certainly didn't get along at that point, that's his personality talking, nothing yo dl with who he was as a boxer, or who he is in any aspect of the boxing world. Well it all depends on the weight situation, I don't think Degale is a big super middleweight, and I think he'll ever move up, so the only way the rematch can happen, is if Jack stays at 168, but in my opinion, we don't meed to see a rematch, because they are so closely contested, that what would happen if they fought again?, nothing different I believe, maybe one of them would get a split decision, or maybe unanimous, my point is, ans this is the same really for Barrera vs Morales, and many other wafervtgink historic or current rivalries, winner/loser, or tye result is a draw, unless there is a very known of and excuse creating factor, the fights are never going yo have a decisive result, so there will always be this argument about who won, I'm not saying the rematch shoudln't happen, I'm just saying it reduces the importance.

Of course it is, we have to question Pedraza, and not get carried away with Davis, I highly doubt that the Pedraza he beat was anything like the Pedraza we saw against Stephen Smith, I think Walsh beats Davis, comfortably, however, I praise him ofr his extremely impressive performance, and his fantastic victory.

I remember the old arguements you and him had. For Pundits, I respect most of their opinions, but there's some that I can live without. There's some that have bad biases. There was one in particular. It was on the Usyk vs Glowacki and one of the ringside commentators that was a fighter had it very close in a fight that Usyk won by a landside. There was some hometown bias. Then you got other guys like Lederman and Lampley who are biased towards certain fighters and misinform people. Then you got guys like Malinaggi and Al Bernstein who do a great job and I have a lot of respect for their opinions.

I think we saw a different Pedraza in there with Davis. I think he underestimated him and fought a different fight. He looked different against Davis than when he did against Smith.

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That is exactly why I specify the kind of pundit I'm talking about. It is biases which cause confusion and unnecessary conflict, but also lack of knowledge, and people getting jobs for the wrong reasons. Lampley and Lederman both know very little about boxing in terms of what wi s a boxer a fight. Well yes, and when they say something is definitive, they are right, when they say something isn't they are right, can they be wrong?, yes, hkw often does it happen, well let's put it this way, I've seen it happen twice in six years of following boxing.

Yes, absolutely, you can never underestimate somebody who is young, dangerous, being taught by the best, and undefeated, and you shoudkn't take anything for granted in this sport. Whether or not you think he wins, I think there ks no question that Liam Walsh deserves the shot, soon.

I think I saw a different fight then when I watched it this weekend. This fight could've gone either way.

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Good man, I respect you a lot for saying that, that's honesty, good on you!

Thanks. I feel that Degale did more to win than Jack, but if Jack would've got the decision that would've been fine to.

It looks like Jermell Charlo vs Charles Hatley is off the Broner Granados undercard. Do you know why it got pulled from the card? I was really looking forward to see it live.

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Yes, I personally feel Jack did enough tomwin the fight, a round lt wo either way, or a draw.
I'm not 100% on this, but I think it's likely, and nearly completely accurate if not completely. I think Degale and Jack each won 4 decisive rounds, and 4 could have gone either way, how about this, first of all, you tell me whether or not that's hiw you saw it, and if so, tell me which for 4, for those 3 scenarios.

That's news to me. Sorry bud, still a gret night of boxing, it should be anyway.

The first time I saw was Jack landing a lot while Degale was on the ropes and I guess that made me score the round in his favor. The second time I really saw how effective Degale was and landing very good shots. The first time watching I didnt't have the best quality of watching it. Looks like Jack is already moving up to 175 because I heard he vacated his belt.

It should be still. I'm sure they will have a replacement fight for that one. What do you think of Broner?

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There are 100 reasons why your perception could be poor without you realising it when you watch a fight live, just like me, I've kearned that over the years, that's why my advice to uiu was to let go if what your eyes and mind yold you, and accept what the experts said as the truth, it's good to see you did that, and because you did that, you know, you see the difference, I'm only hoing to mention his name once in this, but old Acs, he would have saved us both a lot of time, and made his own life a lot less depressing, had he just grown up nd done what your did yesterday. Yes I heard that too, best option and best decision in my opinion, a rematch would have been great, of course it would, but we're not in dyer need of a rematch, it's not that it 'must' happen, haha, we can live without it, like I said, I reckon it would be another fight that could go either way, it is unlikely one of them would win decisively, and this talk of demanding some kind of decisive finish which the first fight didn't give us, would not stop, I know that's not a quarter of the reaosn why we all want to see the rematch, but in terms of wanting to see it for that reason, I don't see too much point in the rematch, there are still many ither good reeasons why it was a great option, but hey, if Jack felt 175 was the best option for him weight wise, then he made the right decision by moving up, there are some great fights up there, I would likemto see him face Pascal next, maybe the winner Bute vs Alvarez, and then if he takes the WBC route, then he deserves a shot at Adonis Stevenson's title. Degale, well there are great fights out there for him, I think after he sailes past his mandatory who probably won't be able to bring anything to the fight, he could fight the winner of Dirrell vs Smith in a unification fight, he coukd alsomfight fight the winner of Groves vs Chudinov, two great options for him there, and it's not one or the other, he could fight both, which is great, so for the rematch, let's all be positive I say, and enjoy the fact that all is clearly well in the sport of boxing!

I like him, I think he is very talented I think he is a character, inside the ring and out, I thino heis personality follows him into the ring, and I believe that has worked with and against him in the past, he's a controversial person, he enjoys being arrogant. Broner has always been a massive puncher, and he has done a great job of taking his power up in weight with him, he may not be the pucnher at 147 that he is at 140, but I still think he has done well in this regard. Broner has some great skills, I've seen him improve as his career has gone on, he has sorted out a lof the things which made him struggle in some of his earloer fights, his footwork and work rate being the best two examples. Someone said something about Adrien Broner, when everyone was questioning his heart, and toughness, this person said, there is nothing wrong there, it isn't at all that he isn't tough, just not disciplined enough, I think he is disciplined now, and he is a very good fighter, I don't think he's anywhree near as good as Thurman, Crawford etc, he's not the new Floyd Mayweather, but he is a very good fighter at the top level.

I think it was a quality of the video for me that made me miss a lot of things. Not to make excuses or anything. I probably missed a lot of things in the first view. Now that Jack moved up or at least we think we did he shouldn't chase the Kovalevs, Wards, and Stevensons. If he goes for one of them off the bat he will lose. If he does what Ward did and gets adjusted to the new weight with 2 or 3 fights then go for a big fight he will have a better chance. If Ward would've fought Kovalev first then he would've lost in my opinion. Pascal is a very good option for a first fight, I also like Sullivan Barrera for Jacks first few fights at light heavyweight. By the end of the year I want to see Callum Smith fight for a title.

I like him to. He's a funny guy and doesn't go far like Haye and try to hurt people outside the ring and stuff like that. He just gets in his opponents heads just like Tyson Fury does. I feel people don't give him his credit as a fighter because of the way he acts outside the ring and that's just not fair. I'm glad there's people like you to seperate out and in ring stuff. I'm going to add some undercard fights for Broner vs Granados at some point.

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Yeah well that can be a factor, but for me it can be bias, poor attention, mental fatuigue, whatever, I don't usually score fights live. Yeah don't worry about it, I'll tell you,mut's better you think Jack won 118-108 when you saw it luve, but because of your wise attitude, you know it is wrong really, and you understand what the real outcome was based on what the real experts say, than if you say Jack clearly won, but it was close, and you do all that kids' stuff, insisting that's right based on what you saw, my point is, forget what you saw with your eyes when you watched it live, what matters is you understand how to get it right, and hey, your scorecard now, is spot on. You are exactly right there, I think he should target Stevenson, but not chase him, the difference there is, as you said, not rushing into that fight, but having a couple of fights. Yes, Barrera is a good option, I think maybe Pascal first, then maybe Barrera, or the winner if Alvarez vs Bute, I remember, Barrera saying to Pascal 'lets fight, we with need a win', maybe they could get it on, and the winner fights Jack, all great options. I think Smith vs Dirrell should take place well beforethis year is out.

Thanks man. So much of boxing is about being fair, and I do my best to help that. Ok man, I have a lot requested fights to upload, but when I'm done, let's get Floyd Mayweather's career on here shall we!

Yeah, I always listen to what the experts say minus the few that aren't very good that have biases and stuff. Sometimes when I watch a fight I will have some crazy opinion over a fight because I think I did a great job scoring and there was no way I was wrong. I remember after Porter vs Thurman the first time I thought Porter clearly won the fight. I rewatched it and saw that it could've went either way. On the topic of Thurman, I can't wait for Thurman vs Garcia. Jack shouldn't rush things at 175. Take a few winnable but tough fights then look for a big fight. I honestly think right now he can beat the winner of Bute vs Alvarez. Also which Dirrell is the champion? I haven't seen them in title fights since their losses to degale and Jack. I'm a fan of the Dirrells but I didn't know one of them was champ.

I'll add the Broner vs Granados undercard sometime soon. I think we have ony 16-17 mayweather fights to add left. I got odd fights and you got even? Also, if you look at some youtube channels, they have a lot of fights of a certain fighter and that would help us add these fights for other fighters after Mayweather.

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I'm very strong on this topic, I will emplore anybody to listen to and go along with anything a real analyst says, but at the same time, for those are in the wrong job, forget manners, I'm going to come donw on them like a ton of bricks, over here, Jeff Powell, and a few others, over where you are, Larry Merchant, Max Kellerman, Harold Lederman, Dan Rafael, Jim Lampley, and Skip Bayless, although if I'm not mistaken (you'd know better than me being a USA man), he's actually known specifically for being a joker, and is famous for his ridiculousness. That brings us to Stephen A Smith, I don't mind him, I think he's very intelligent, I think he's a showman, I think he's experienced, but two things I would criticise for, are one, when he was commentating for Pacquiao vs Vargas, he was acting like he was the most knowledgeable of the three of them, Brain Kenny is very knowledgeable, I'm a fan of his, amd Tim Bradley, come on, if Stephen A Smith thought he was going to show himself to understand the ins and outs of this great sport better than a former world champion, then he's wrong, and also, for goodness sake, leave little old Skip Bayless alone, and stop profitting from the fool's incompetence, that's what I say, qnyone can make Skip Bayless look like the idiot he is, Stephen A is wasting his time. The only reaisn why I named more poor analysts in the US is because you oit populate us by five times the amount (I believe you have around 324 million, and we have more like 64 million), percentage wise, it's probably about the same.

The Dirrels are not champions, either of them, it is likely, that Smith will face Dirrell for the vacant WBC title.

The guys you mentioned like Lampley, Kellerman,Rafael, and Skip Bayless are not very liked here in America on their opinions. They don't know what they are talking about and are huge hypocrites. It's not just in boxing but athletes in other sports don't like skip bayless. Same as Rafael, I've seen fighters call him out like Billy Joe Saunders and others. People don't mind Kellerman as much but not to many people like Merchant or Lampley. Some people think Merchant and Lampley as bias and racist. I don't know much about Brian Kenny on the boxing sides, but for other sports I follow I really don't agree with much of what he says. People in America do like Stephan Smith a lot and I agree with a lot of things he says in other sports than boxing. In America we do get good analysts then we have bad ones to. I really like Al Bernstein and Paulie Malinaggi when they commentate.

Ok, I see where you are coming from.

What did you think of Angel Garcias recent outburst at he Thurman Garcia press conference?

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Well that's good to hear, because they are bad for boxing, what they said about Kovalev vs Ward, was an absolute joke, granted, because this is a business, and some fans like it, Al Bernstein does mention it once or twice during fights, but Jim Lampley does it every single round, he is obsessed with it, it is abslute garbage, and I find it extremely annoying when idiots like the HBO crew make it look as if that is not so, it is potentially very decieving for fans, and it should stop. HBO is basically like some kind of video game in my opinion, well the boxing department anyway, it's just a few fools talking about what they think they're watching, none of them were ever taught what boxing is about or how it really works, apart from Roy Jones Jr.

Oh you know, just Angel Garcia being himself, I don't take a word of it seriously, he's very outspoken, and him and a character like Keith Thruman were always going to clash, I'm not really interested in this topic, now the fight itself, well that's another matter.

They are bad for boxing. They rarely make good points on the fights. I wish I did have showtime to watch the fights and have good commentary. Roy Jones does know what he's talking about but other than him the HBO crew isn't very good.

Haha yeah. I'm very interested to see how this fight plays out. It's on the same night as Haye vs Bellew and it should be a great night of boxing.

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People need to understand what they are about, they got their jobs because they are businessmen, well, in a sense, but they got their jobs because they have the power and official authority to sit and commentate for a fight, but it's all sudo knowledge, and they pretty much, in my opinion, kids in snappy suits sitting there giving their personal opinion and lettint take command of what should be accuracy from any commentator, they can get away with it, because HBO is HBO it's massive, boxing is a small portion of it, as you know, it has many other things which make people subscribe.

Forgot to add what do you think of the idea of Beterbiev vs Sullivan Barrera? I think it's a good step up for Beterbiev and it's a very winnable fight for him.

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What a fantastic fight that is!, and I love the sportsmanship!

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No worries of you would rather not do this, but I wonder if you would upload some fights for Boxing Knowledge, because it's a big list I have, I feel they should be uploaded because he's waited patiently for a very long time now. I can start helping you upload those early Mayweather fights, but I want finish off BK's list first, I feel it's the fairest thing to do.

Yeah I can upload the fights he wants. I just don't know where the list is. I know it would be under what fights are we missing but theres so many comments.

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I'll send you some information now, and I'll let him know you added some of his requested fights. Thanks pal!

Evander Holyfield vs Henry Tillman
Sugar Ray Robinson vs Jake Lamotta
Tony Lopez vs Dingaan Thobela
Kid Gavilan vs Chuck Davey
Willie Pep vs Sandy Saddler
Oscar Larios vs Wayne McCollough
Carlos Monzon vs Jose Napoles
Montell Griffin vs Julio Gonzalez

Ok, I'll add them tomorrow for sure.

I added all the fights. Some of them had a lot of fights but didn't know if they wanted added.

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You mean they were trilogies, I think he did want them all adding, but thanks so much for your effort, I can add the rest if you'd had enough now, it depends on whether or not you want to add more.

If it's not an issue can you add the trilogies?

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Of course man! You have shortened the list by 8 fights! You've been a massive help!

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Hey buddy, this has nothing to do with boxing, but don't you just love 'The Incredibles'?!

I haven't seen the movie in a while but I did enjoy it.

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You must have been very young as well when it was in the cinemas, I'm not sure how much earlier it was in US cinemas than over here, but anyway, I don't care how far into adulthood I grow, taht film, rocks!!

That's cool. I'm into my adult years and still like spiderman and stuff like that.

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As soon as I turned 18 I realised I'll always be a kid at heart, was it the same for you?

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If it were to happen, who wins Degale vs Groves II in your mind?

Would love to see it

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I think Groves would win quite comfortably.

I don't know who I would pick to win as of yet.

Also did you hear that Angel Garcia is banned from press conferences for the Thurman fight? They say he might not be allowed in Danny's corner come fight night? How do you think this ends?

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I really hope the fight happens at some point, I would rather see Groves fight Degale than Chudinov, but if Groves beats Chudinov, then that could be a great unification fight. I believe George Groves is the best super middleweight on the planet right now.

I heard it was a possibility, but I didn't know it was confirmed. That is fair enough, I mean there have to be consequences for making racist remarks, he's might be taking some kind of substance, but I don't want to speculate, I think he has a good heart, but his difficult personality is very controversial. I think taking him out of the press conference is a fair and reasonable punishment, however, taking a trainer and father out if possibly the biggest fight if his sons career, that's insane, and I hope it doesn't happen, for goodness sake, I don't know who thinks that's necessary!

Yeah, I remember watching and thinking Degale won a close fight. I would like to see a rematch sometime soon.

I think being banned from press related events is good, but not being allowed in corner would be a bit much. I mean Chisora threw a chair and the fight went on so I don't see why this fight shouldn't happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Angel was on drugs.

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I think Groves vs Chudinov should definitely happen, but that is a risk for Groves, Chudinov is at an age where he's constantly improving, I believe he shut Frank Buglioni out, he beat Sturm, twice, wide.

With boxing regulations, like life in general, it all depends on who deals with the situation, I don't recall Angel Garcia ever being punished before, I don't like the inconsistency of going from that, to pulling him out of the fight, if that actually happens, then it stinks!, shame on whenever suggested that ridiculous, extreme punishment. On the yopic lf Whyte vs Chisora, I would love to see the rematch, and I think it might well take place, I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling Chisora might have been unclean for rhe Whyte fight, I don't strongly believe it, it wouldn't shock me if it was definitively proven that he wasn't, but his punching power, throughout the fight, and sheer strength seemed slightly dubious. I don't like to accuse anyone of anything, I just consider everything worth considering, and in this situation, the man threw a table, he's a bit of a nutter, I wouldn't put it past him to take performance enhancing drugs.

I agree. Groves vs Chudinov should happen this year. Right now I would predict Chudinov to beat him. I feel for him when he got robbed against Sturm.

I guess we'll see what happens before the fight. I hope nothing ruins this great fight. Dan Rafaels an idiot saying this fight shouldn't be promoted by CBS anymore. Like Erik Morales or Marco Antonio Barerra punched each other at a press conference and the fight didn't get canceled. Imagine of those 2 never fought.

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Was asked to post this here bc you were trying to find the Jack-Bute fight.

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