Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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88
CARLOS TAKAM
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82

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I'm catching up on the undercards this week. What did you think of the fight?

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Cool. Great! I thought it was a great performance from Anthony Joshua, Matthew Macklin thought he was flat, Joseph Parker wasn't impressed, but I don't agree, he did great, especially given the circumstances, he had 12 days to prepare for this guy, Takam, and props to you for calling the round 10 finish, but Takam, he is very underrated, great stamina, great conditioning, great variety, moves very well, and Joshua did a great job, even early, Joshua wasn't landing, but he was dictating the pace, giving Takam no opportunities, and getting his nose bust, AJ, he handled that well, all I could say negatively at all, was that perhaps his defence, especially to the body, was lacking slightly, but that is easy for me to say, I wasn't the one being offensively targeted by Takam, and also, and this might sound harsh, might sound unethical, but at the end of the day, that horrible cut, should Joshua have targeted that more?, just think what Rigondeaux, Lomachenko, Usyk, Canelo would do to a cut like that, it isn't the boxers job to be fair, that is the referee's responsibility, and speaking of referees, Phil Edwards didn't do his job well enough, Takam shouldn't have had to look for a time out for the eye himself, the referee should have called break before the cut troubled Takam that much. I thought the stoppage was premature, it wasn't terrible, but it was definitely early, I think Takam would have got through that, maybe Joshua would have stopped him later, maybe he would have stopped him more conclusively 10 seconds later, maybe I was right in thinking it would go the distance, what has to be said for Takam, is that he took Joshua's power very well indeed, I think the cut disadvantaged him, but that is not Joshua's problem, and he boxed really well, he was a mile ahead, I might have been off with round 3, maybe not, I might watch the fight against, it was a good one, but yeah I think a shutout, that isn't quite what happened, no clear Takam rounds though, not many you could give him for his efforts, any more than 2 is narrower than fair on Joshua, but however you score it, Joshua was a very long way ahead, and he did hurt Takam in round 10, not bad considering he looked tired after 6 rounds, but that's the thing, at 28, very disciplined, trained hard, he doesn't gas, and then fade, he gasses, and then finds another bundle of energy, it is good for his stamina to keep doing these long rounds. I thought Joshua picked his offensive moments really well in this fight, he waited until Takam was at the right distance, he threw in clusters, he threw with variety, no reason to double up on punches very often, and the speed as well, people always underestimate Joshua speed wise, speed isn't timing, it isn't as valuable as timing, but is a bonus, a great bonus in the heavyweight division, when you have physical strength on your side, Tony Bellew was saying recently, that Anthony Joshua throws combinations like a middleweight, he's that fast. I think Joshua, now, at 28, 20-0, every heavyweight in history he wouldn't beat, and there aren't many of them I don't think, he would give very tough fights indeed, I'm talking about Lewis, Louis, Ali, Marciano, Foreman, Tyson, but I still think Wilder beats Joshua, that's my opinion, but one thing I think we can all agree on, is that it is a fight between probably the 2 best heavyweights in the world, and it is one of the biggest, if not the biggest fight to potentially be finalised, currently, in the sport of boxing!

I saw it yesterday, and Joshua looked great in there. Did I really call a 10 round stoppage? I thought it was around 10-12, if I called it at round 10 that's pretty impressive. Takam did better then a lot expected. He was able to land some good shots on Joshua, but not enough to hurt him. I thought Joshua seemed a little ticked off about the nose injury, or at least the headbutt. His defense wasn't horrible, but it can be better. I notice that Joshua is improving after every fight and that is a great sign. He should've targeted the cut a little more, but he was able to get the job done and that's what counts. I thought the stoppage was premature, but I'm not upset about it, because Takam was losing the fight wide, it wasn't like it was really close and Takam was in the fight. One thing we always talk about is the weight, he came in his heaviest for this fight. I thought he was going to have stamina issue but he really didn't look tired, but there's obviously a difference from the Klitschko and Takam fight. The reason for people underestimating Joshua's speed is his size I think, people think since he's huge he can't be fast and that isn't the case. He's probably the fastest heavyweight in the world right now. I won't say now what greats I think Joshua would beat because I think it is too early. I'm still picking Joshua over Wilder, but we can agree that it is a massive fight, and probably the best fight to be made at the moment. Also, how long do we have to wait before we call them an all time great?

Who do you think is next for Joshua?

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Yeah I'm sure you did. Yeah absolutely, you are right to give yourself credit for that. No, well he struggled to get leverage on his shots, Joshua was always able to control things, impose his size, strength, not his youth, merely because of how outstandingly athletic and strangley fresh a fighter Takam looked, but yeah, Joshua took those shots well still. Yeah well, it is annoying to say the least, a broken nose, I'll tell you, is very, very nasty, your eyes water, you can taste, smell the blood, you feel dizzy, it hurts like heck, not nice at all, it was unintentional, but it is too much to ask of a fighter that they have the shock of a nose injury like that, and don't react angrily. To be honest, I was looking for things to criticise him for, and struggling, what does that tell you?, he took some shots, his defence wasn't great, but most of that was just a downside to an attitude that was tactically very necessary, what I mean is, if you can hurt a guy, land some good shots, he will really struggle to hurt you, the fight, at the moment suits you, why not throw and ship the odd shot?, not, I think is being gunshy. Absolutely, I think, as long as he doesn't have too many really hard fights, get too many miles, he might come of age, improve so much he is still getting better in his thirties, one thing is for sure, all being well, in 2019, he will be much better than he is now, I highly doubt he won't be the best on the heavyweight division by then, he probably will be a top 5 fighter, I think 2019, 2020, there will be 5 fights or so, when Joshua is at the best, most successful career time, it will be a joy for his hardcore fans like you to see! Yeah, and if you don't need to, you're in control anyway, you don't have to zone in on a cut, but what I was saying was, in boxing, sometimes, to be smart, means being very, very nasty, and that is fine, this is a blood sport, but I'm glad Joshua didn't make a particular job of worsening the cut, and by all means, a but of extra spite from the broken nose, not a bad thing, but had he tried your get own back, lost control, that would have been a harsh lesson, he could have taken some big shots from Takam. It was, I'm not, those reasons though, are why a rematch isn't necessary in my opinion, bug to be fair to Takam, the last couple of shots missed, that was not a real sustained beating, heck, he was coming off one of his best rounds of the fight, he hadn't been down, he was not in a position to get stopped, and Edwards, he didn't think like you think, he was just lacking, if in doubt, stop it, but for goodness sake, as the referee, he should not have been in doubt, keep focused man, some of these referees are not good enough. I saw him tire quite a bit in rounds 6 and 7, but he found a second wind, because of his training, youth, fitness, I still think he should have been lighter, but like we said, he did great, I'm surprised Parker wasn't impressed, and Macklin, I didn't think AJ was flat, opinions I guess, but not a bad performance, and bar the broken nose, not a bad night for Joshua. That's it, but muscle doesn't really slow you down, it tires you out, and people should open their eyes, see past that assumption, it is obvious Joshua isn't slow. I'm not sure I think Parker has fast hands, I think Joshua and Parker. Wise thinking. Good question, tough to say, Wilder, he should be at that stage now, maybe he would be or a lot closer to it, had he sparked Povetkin and Ortiz before they could bottle their fights and waste his time. Joshua, an all time great, well, that saying just sounds like the past tense to me, but already, he is expected to be a future all time great, but when he is put on that high level, when his name is on that list, I would say if he beats Wilder, wins another 6 or so, world title fights, beats everyone in his way.

Maybe the winner Kabayel vs Chisora, Lucas Browne, Andriy Rudenko, maybe, I think it should be a fight against an opponent who isn't as good as Takam, nearly as good, an opponent who will go at least 6 round, 8 or more would be good, but an opponent who can throw less back at him than Takam could, but not another Breazeale, not a Whyte rematch, man, all the Whyte hype is annoying me, people think he beats Wilder!!?? Hopefully, Joshua vs Wilder happens next year, late, maybe at Wembley if this happens, then it is vital for Wilder that he gets rounds next year, because Stiverne, I don't think he is going a minute.

I would imagine that having a broken nose and having to keep on fighting after that would be annoying. That sometimes happens, when you look for something to find that a fighter is doing something wrong but can't. It shows he's improving. He is a smart fighter and learns from his mistakes. If Hearn puts him in the right fights, he will improve consistently. I agree with you on, him being better in 2 years then he is now, I think he is only getting better from here on out. It will definitely be great to see how he does in the future. About the cut, I mean he was winning big as it is, it wouldn't of made a difference to open up the cut. I agree, there should be no rematch, but the stoppage was premature and some shots near the end were missing. I didn't notice the fatigue, but I still think he should come in the ring much lighter then he did, but it didn't seem to effect him in this fight. For future fights he should come in lighter. I never realized that until I got into boxing is that muscles don't effect handspeed, but tires you out. Parker does have fast hands but Joshua might have the edge. I would like to see them to fight sometime soon. Also I think that Wilder should do the Whyte fight, he shuts everyone up and adds hype to the Joshua fight. I think if he beats Whyte like me and you think, that would get people even more interested with the Joshua fight. Honestly me and you have the most realistic opinions on the fight, a lot of people think that Wilder is scared, I don't really see it. That fight is dangerous for Whyte.

I like Lucas Browne, and maybe Rudenko, maybe Andy Ruiz or Amir Mansour. I think the next one should be a challenge but something not super hard. The only time I would be in favor of a Whyte rematch is like a Wilder Stiverne 2 situation where someone pulls out of a fight, I think Whyte would make a solid replacement. I rather see Wilder fight Whyte and end all the hype and fight Joshua later in the year. I would love to see Joshua Wilder either in the 02, Wembley, or MGM grand. I also want to see Joshua fight in the U.S.

I'm bringing this up once again but Tyson Fury is saying that he's returning. I'm not buying it until he actually steps in the ring and fights someone, right now it's just all talk.

I would imagine that having a broken nose and having to keep on fighting after that would be annoying. That sometimes happens, when you look for something to find that a fighter is doing something wrong but can't. It shows he's improving. He is a smart fighter and learns from his mistakes. If Hearn puts him in the right fights, he will improve consistently. I agree with you on, him being better in 2 years then he is now, I think he is only getting better from here on out. It will definitely be great to see how he does in the future. About the cut, I mean he was winning big as it is, it wouldn't of made a difference to open up the cut. I agree, there should be no rematch, but the stoppage was premature and some shots near the end were missing. I didn't notice the fatigue, but I still think he should come in the ring much lighter then he did, but it didn't seem to effect him in this fight. For future fights he should come in lighter. I never realized that until I got into boxing is that muscles don't effect handspeed, but tires you out. Parker does have fast hands but Joshua might have the edge. I would like to see them to fight sometime soon. Also I think that Wilder should do the Whyte fight, he shuts everyone up and adds hype to the Joshua fight. I think if he beats Whyte like me and you think, that would get people even more interested with the Joshua fight. Honestly me and you have the most realistic opinions on the fight, a lot of people think that Wilder is scared, I don't really see it. That fight is dangerous for Whyte.

I like Lucas Browne, and maybe Rudenko, maybe Andy Ruiz or Amir Mansour. I think the next one should be a challenge but something not super hard. The only time I would be in favor of a Whyte rematch is like a Wilder Stiverne 2 situation where someone pulls out of a fight, I think Whyte would make a solid replacement. I rather see Wilder fight Whyte and end all the hype and fight Joshua later in the year. I would love to see Joshua Wilder either in the 02, Wembley, or MGM grand. I also want to see Joshua fight in the U.S.

I'm bringing this up once again but Tyson Fury is saying that he's returning. I'm not buying it until he actually steps in the ring and fights someone, right now it's just all talk.

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Horrible, and the shock and everything, but, that's what boxing is like, it is rough, it can get nasty, but champions come through adversity, and that is what Joshua did, but really, this wasn't that interesting, or as much of a necessary chance for AJ to prove himself, because after he got through what he got through against Klitschko, a broken nose wasn't going to stop him. He might even fight 3 times in 2018, I'd be surprised if that actually happened, but a fight every 4 months, extra active, not too many fights, not a bad plan, especially if a couple aren't going to be really hard fights. Joshua has said he wants to fight in Africa, if he does, that would be a good fight to see, maybe there could be a big event in Africa next year, maybe Indongo making a bounce back fight, Tete, Dogboe on the bill as well?, for promotional reasons, I'm not sure constructing that night of boxing is manageable, but it would be good to see. I'd have to disagree on that, because if a cut gets hit, your worsening the damage, if Joshua had taken a ruthless, savage approach to the fight, he could have lengthened, deepened the gash, probably stopped him based on that, as a fan, I'm glad he didn't, but some would have been more impressed had he built on that damage. I think it did, I mean, he can't throw the same number of punches at 254 as he can at 240, and he will tire out at that weight, for a number of reasons, I saw fatuige in rounds 6 and 7, but he came back stronger, later in the fight. It is hardly common knowledge, I didn't learn about that scientific boxing topic until about 3 years ago. I agree. I'm not sure, Wilder is no kid in a playground, let's get that right, he doesn't have to fight Whyte, not necessarily, why not Andy Ruiz?, Kubrat Pulev?, Carlos Takam? What's the obsession with Whyte? It's stupid man, Wilder may not have fought big names, he may have had the only two great scheduled opponents spew their opportunities before facing him, but he has knocked out better fighters than Dillian Whyte, I think Duaphas would beat Whyte, so would Washington, so would Szpilka, well, had his career not been ruined by Wilder, which it was. If Whyte is that desperate to fight Wilder, go to the US, the champion's home country, what's the issue? I don't think battering Joshua's leftovers is the answer at this stage, I think if he fought Hughie Fury maybe, won that, that would add hype, or maybe Pulev, Ruiz, had Ortiz not screwed up their fight, then yes, and my point there, is that rather than bashing up a fat guy who is living off 2 good rounds against AJ, and has impressed nobody since, maybe he should step up in class, fight a guy who is better than anyone he has ever faced before, maybe a Takam or Pulev. The people who really want to see that fight are the people who won't give Wilder credit of her beats Joshua and Parker on the same night. They couldn't run a mile, do 5 push ups, let's forget those, I'm not talking about Jarrell Miller, people in the boxing world, because they can say what they like, I'm insulting the spotty faced trolls who are stuck behind a screen all day, have been for decades, and will be for the rest of their lives. You don't see it just like you don't see a flying pig, rather than just insult these idiots, I'll try to back it up with at least some evidence, Wilder has won fights with broken hands, and they question his toughness? Come on, he can be hurt, yeah yeah, he also recovers extremely well, always fights back to win, he came through hard knocks in the amateurs, he fears no fighters, he is feared!!

Maybe if he does fight 3 times in one year, he could give Whyte another whooping. Do you think Whyte trains as hard as he should?, because I don't, and do you think he is in shape when he hasn't got a fight confirmed?, because I don't, Joshua said it, "he's fat, because he doesn't train", Whyte gave Joshua a fight, our 3 rounds, after that, he did not better than Breazeale, Takam did far better than Whyte, and that is just it, Whyte lacks what Takam has, dedication, discipline, and this is why Takam was still light on his feet in round 9 against Joshua, and Whyte was tired after 1 round, done after 3, I don't think Whyte would make a solid replacement. I personally, would rather see Joseph Parker's promoter offer Whyte an opportunity, Parker gives him a whooping, maybe as a tune up, as I know you like to say, good name for a warm up fight that, but anyway, a tune up for Povetkin, assuming he wins the eliminator against Hammer, that way, Wilder fights someone better. I'm not sure what kind of live option that is at the moment, but it is certainly a long term possibility.

That's fine. My advice to you on this, is to think from the angle that actions speak louder than words, Mark De Mori had people believing he would beat David Haye, Charles Martin had people believing he would beat Anthony Joshua, Rod Salka had people believing he would beat Danny Garcia, ultimately, aside from what comes out of his mouth, what is he doing? Training every day?, losing weight? Got his licence back?, getting his licence back?, gone through a long period of time without saying he hates boxing, and doesn't want to return?, passed medical tests? Off cocaine? Eating right? These are the relevant questions.

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ive never rated joshua not a fan at all i think he is though possibly the best of a bad bunch. Hes a big strong guy wit solid shots but thats about it. hes stiff with no head movement or not much defence and has really really slow feet but most of all he gasses like fuck after a couple of rounds. He throws the same shots over and over left right left right left right, if somebody hungry comes along whos half decent they will get him out of their imo.

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I very much disagree with that, I think Hughie Fury is a masterful boxer, Joseph Parker is a ferocious, fast, dangerous pressure fighter, Wilder if phenomenal, no 'bad bunch' about it in my opinion, don't think any of them are as good as Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Bowe, Louis, Marciano, but still, great fighters Wilder and Joshua, and Parker and Fury aren't too far behind him, Miller is a monster as well, I think he is a fighter who will either dominate or get dominated, but yeah I think, now, they are the top 5, I do think there is a certain sizeable gap which separates Joshua and Wilder from the others.