Lineal champions in each division

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Lineal champions in each division

Tyson Fury
Oleksandr Usyk
Oleksandr Gvozdyk
Canelo Alvarez
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Srisaket Sor Rungvisai

There are only few in the sport...should these men also be considered the best in their weight class ?

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Not necessarily.

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Saying Fury is the lineal champion is questionable as well given he retired, but it has been said enough that it may as well be true. Using the same logic, Crawford would be the lineal champion. Pac retired lineal champion after beating Bradley for the third time, came back, lost it to Horn, who lost it to Crawford. No one would argue Crawford is the lineal WW champion though.

Given that the lineal champion is "the man who beat the man", more often than not, yes they are the best in the division.

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I think some are questionable since if you had Canelo losing the fight with G then he can't be the lineal champion. So I say
Fury
Usyk (no question)
Bivol
GGG
Lomachenko
Juan Francisco Estrada

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The lineal champion can only be established by the clear #1 and clear #2 fighting and whoever wins regardless of the perception of the scoring is the lineal champion. Gvozdyk is unquestionably the legitimate lineal Light Heavyweight champion. Stevenson was the established legitimate lineal Light Heavyweight champion. Stevenson beat the lineal champion Dawson who beat the lineal champion Hopkins who beat the lineal champion Pascal who won the vacant lineal title versus Dawson. Golovkin lost a bid for the lineal title versus Canelo. Lomachenko hasn't fought the clear #2 Lightweight Mikey Garcia so he can't be the lineal champion. Estrada is the same as Golovkin, he lost a bid for the lineal title versus Rungvisai.

Generally there isn't really a dispute over who is or isn't the lineal champion. If you want more information you can find some here: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/pastchp.htm http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

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Hey, I know this is off topic, but I’ve been mulling something over. I’ve been thinking of doing a YouTube weekly boxing show, reviewing the week or fights, and previewing the week of fights up coming, while also highlighting a classic fight a week, and a prospect to watch. It will be on the cheap side in terms of production, use of video/picture contents at first, as I’m not highly versed in video stuff, other than recording and uploading, lol. Would any of you al be interested In and would watch/listen to something like that? Plan on mentioning the site often, highlight user breakdowns(talking to you Champ), and talk about how our group saw the various fights, the controversial ones especially. I’ve been bird, and looking for something to occupy my free time/weekends, and have thought about this for awhile.

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Great idea, you could mention my breakdowns, but overall, great idea, YouTube is full of boxingn fans, there are a lot of idiots on YouTube, so YouTube boxing needs people who want to talk about boxing itself rather than trash one fighter.

What did you think of Wilder vs Fury? And was the draw fair?

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I had Fury 114-112, I could see a range from 115-111 Fury to 113-113, so not mad at it. I don’t see how you could give Wilder more than 5, as I almost gave hima 5th myself, but couldn’t score him with a win unless I was stretching. Another prominent person who scored Wilder with the win was Dan Rafael, who had it 114-112 Wilder. I actually think Wilder has a better chance in the second fight, which is against conventional wisdom I know. But, here’s why. Fury will fight that same fight next time, as that is what he does. I don’t think he’d change it up too much. I don’t know what he’d do different in the next go around. With Wilder, I think he was tight, as this was biggest fight of his life, and he pressed looking for the KO all night. He admitted gong away from the plan of working the body. He was like a hitter in baseball trying to hit a homerun. The more you look only for it, the less likely you are to get it. You have to go with the natural flow and it will come. I think Wilder has the greatest room for improvement in the second fight, by simply attacking more frequently to the body early. He knows he can drop Fury, so if he actually boxes, which he does know how to do, he just hasn’t had to a lot, the KO could come to him. I also think Wilder still beats Joshua, a small he doesn’t have the 3 biggest factors that helped Fury. He isn’t as tall, which negated a lot of Wilder using the jab to set up his power. He isn’t the mover that Fury is, both off the back foot, nor with his head movement. And, in spite of Fury being dropped twice, I still think he has the more durable chin. I don’t believe that Joshua would have gotten up from that second shot. I could be wrong on every thing I proposed, but just my take on what could happen. If I’m Fury, and believe can beat either Joshua or Wilder, I let them unify in April, take a fight with Chisora-Whyte winner, then fight the winner following unification.

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I 100% agree on that, even-Fury by 4 points. Rafael is an idiot, I don't take his scoring seriously, Nazim Richardson had Wilder edging it, Mayweather Sr, Spence had a draw, but I don't think that is a legitimate score.

Disagree on that, I think Fury is very adaptable. I think Fury could control the distance better next time without moving so much, and I think he could doa better job of taking away Wilder's jab like he did Klitschko's, Fury was coming off 2 easy wins against limited opposition after his layoff, activity isn't against him after fighting Wilder like it was before, so I definitely think Fury could make adjustments. I don't agree, I think he used his jab, was methodical, he was just focused, was made to look tight by Fury. I agree on that, there was a lack of body work, he landed a right to the body at the very start, didn't see a good 2nd body shot in the whole fight. He is very capable of knocking Fury out, Fury was almost out cold. I disagree, I still think Joshua is the best in the division, he's still 6'6, doesn't give away much height, no, definitely not, his head movement and foot movement was good in the Povetkin fight, but nothing like Fury, agree on that. Tough to say, both have great recovery, both have been dropped, hurt, neither were stopped, I think Joshua is durable, can grit it out, come back, but Fury is just something else in my opinion, it is one thing to come back from being hurt, but Fury actually gets tougher and more dangerous, Fury has always been dangerous in fights he gets hurt in. I think Joshua would have gotten up, but I don't think he would have gotten through that, not that he doesn't have the guts or the balls, because he does, but I just think whilst he'd need to get his legs back, Wilder would take him out with the next few shots. I think Joshua would stagger up from that knockdown and be out on his feet, totter around the ring, but Fury got up, took 3 or 4 killer follow ups, but recovered as Wilder punched himself out, I don't think Joshua could recover like that, and come back so well. Surely Wilder shouldn't fight in April, he took damage, he needs a good 6 months. Fury won't fight Chisora, 0.1% chance of that, they are too good mates, but if Whyte wins, I think Fury would fight him, still, is Fury really dedicated to boxing now?, because this is not the first or the second time he's whipped himself into great shape, and then got very fat, lost his dicipline. I wonder if they could scrath the April date, go with a June or July fight if Joshua vs Wilder happens.