Ricky Burns vs Julius Indongo Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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RICKY BURNS
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108
JULIUS INDONGO
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120

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What do you think of the possibility of Crawford vs indongo? If Crawford beats him he has all the belts at 140. I think it's a pretty meaningful fight.

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I think that's an interesting one. Yes, great, he's one of my favourite fighters. I think he could be the best in the world, I definitely think he is top 3, I thinj he is definitely top 5.

He's one of my favorites to. Easily in my top 5 favorites probably number 3.I like the fight a lot to. I personally feel it will be one sided for Crawford, but is still worthwhile because Crawford will have all the belts. For pound for pound he's in my top 3.

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I agree, with all of what you've just said.

Did you see the promo video where Alvarez and Chavez smash through Trump's wall?

I just wrote up my predictions for Porter vs Berto, Ward vs Kovalev, and Alvarez vs Chavez, I'll do some more tomorrow

Also, check this out, if you've seen it before, then sorry.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.youtu...

Terence Crawford another one of those fighters I don't understand the hate for.

I haven't seen it yet but I'll check it out. For the promo video.

I'll have to make some predictions as well.

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I didn't even know there was hate for him, but anyway, let's forget the morons, we know, Terence Crawford is one of the best out there, he has said before, that Andre Ward is number one, and he is number two.

So what did you think of 'buttery biscuit base'?

Did you here about Ortiz injuring his thumb?, so maybe delete the fight page for Ortiz vs Rossy.

There is but yeah just best to avoid them. We know the truth.

I thought it was funny.

I will I just didn't have the time to delete. Ortiz needs to get a big fight soon time is running out for him.

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That's it.

I do a great impression of it, especially 'that base, that base, that toasty, nutty base'.

Ok fair enough. I know, Ortiz vs Rossy wasn't going to be a cracker. When he heals, hopefully, Ortiz vs Takam can be made, or Ortiz vs Ruiz. Ortiz has a lot to prove, the clock is ticking, I don't know why on earth Ortiz vs Takam was cancelled.

Very sad to read, this is why I'm sticking to pure fitness, never going back to boxing.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.boxing...

Yeah, I wasn't thrilled about him fighting Rossy. I thought it was a waste of time to be honest. Someone like Oscar Rivas or even Dillian Whyte is a good option for him. I like him vs Takam or Ruiz to. Those are probably better options than Rivas and Whyte.

I just read that. Just awful, that's something that will keep me out of a boxing ring that's for sure. I wish him the best.

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Rossy wasn't as bad as opponent as the Harrison fight suggests, but you are right because he's still not great, and after Ortiz has already knocked Jennings out, coming off the really quite disappointing win over Scott, why fight Rossy?, not the best opponent that's for sure. Yes, especially Whyte because Rivas has had some issues I believe, and has been less active than ideal. Yes well they all would have been good options, but I think Takam is the best, sprry for repeating myself, but I'm sure you understand my frustration, Ortiz vs Takam shouldn't have been decided against after it was almost comfirmed.

So do I. In my experience, most of the tragic fights in boxing, are due to isolated circumstances, apparently, the refree should have stopped Groves vs Gutknecht, Mike Towell was suffering from bad headaches before the fight, and Gerald Mclellan, a tough chinned, cruabls fighter, was blinking and struggling to withstand a jab in sparring wearing a full faced head shield in the run up to the Benn fight, then again, I'm not sure if the same could be said for Bradley Stone, Spencer Oliver, Jason Rushton, Paul Ingle, and more to the point, in a lot of sports, offials and referees can make mistakes, they can afford this, it doesn't mean somebody will be permanently damaged or worse.

You see why I have my seemingly boring view on how relatively early boxers should retire?, I think boxers should have maximum career lengths of 15 years, age limits of 45, immediate, automatic investigations wheneger what happened to Gutknecht, Blackwell happens, not 'let's ask Robert Smith', not 'should there be an investigation?', there should be a non negotiable investigation. The referee who let Gutknecht take the beating he took, and suffer the injuries he has, along with Victor Loughlin, should lose their jobs, no second chances, this is a dangerous sport, it's life and death.

Yeah, that's how I feel to. It's a waste of time. I'm more concerned with Rivas being inactive than Whyte. Whyte I believe can find a fight easier than Rivas for some reason. There's many good options for Ortiz. I wish the Takam fight should've happened instead of Malik Scott. I just hope he can get these big fights before it's too late. It's going to be hard due to his drug past.

I heard that to that he had bad headaches and would blink his eyes more than usual during sparring. The same thing happened with Prichard Colon. His condition is slowly getting better from what I heard. For Nick Blackwell, what's the update on him after that sparring incident.

I see exactly why.There should be investigations with injuries like this. Also injuries like this is why we shouldn't call fighters pussies, even if we despise them. They put their lives on the line every time they step in the ring.

You see my new score card for the Gonzalez fight?

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That's because Whyte has possibly the best promoter on the planet, if not, second or third at the absolute worst. I don't, I don't like him, he isn't good for the sport, boxing is anhard sport, it is good that you can appreciate the difficulty of the sport, and the courage and toughness of the fighter, but I think we should also consider the fact that drugs in boxing make it a lot more dangerous, in an unnatural, unfair, unethical way, there should be no second chances, forget 'he used drugs but he's learned the error of his ways', he's a nasty man who calls heavyweight world champions 'pussys', I hope he either loses to the best, big, or doesn't fight them.

I don't know, I think he is put of the second coma now, I'm not 100%, there must be serious concern for him.

Yes I saw it, just like I saw it, Gonzalez 7-5, could have gone either way, I'm backing Gonzalez to win big in a rematch which should definitely happen in my opinion.

Easily the best promoter I feel. In terms of finding work for his fighters he's the best. Like his prospect Lawrence Okolie he was able to find him 2 fights within two weeks. One on the undercard of Burns vs Indongo, and he's fighting on the Joshua vs Klitschko card. Drugs in boxing does make it more dangerous. You can kill someone if you have, like look at Povetkin. He could've killed Duhaupas in that fight. He should not be allowed to fight in title fights again, maybe the same with Ortiz if he is still cheating. I know he is getting stricter testing now but you still never know since he has a history. In all these big fights I would root against him like against Wilder, Joshua, Parker, Klitschko and so on. By the way what do you think of Lawrence Okolie if you have heard of him?

Hopefully he will be ok.

I saw it differently the second time. I thought that Gonzalez was way more accurate than I did in the first fight.

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You could be right. That's one of many reasons. Even if he isn't, he shouldn't even eb fighting, the great big drugged up skumbag, he hides behind drugs, cries about delicate Malik Scott 'running' because wasn't quick or skilled enough to catch him, beats up bums, and calls three undefeated world champions who are clean athletes 'pussys', Cuba is full of these awful people, Rigondeaux, Lara is a nasty piece of work, and Ortiz, there is little point in talking about it, because it won't happen, but Ortiz shouldn't be fighting, and I hope he gets beaten down by Joshua, knocked spark out by Wilder, or made to look like an old man, and worked and widely out pointed, like I think he would be against Parker. I think I would have predicted Takam to have pulled off the upset had the fight gone ahead.

Don't expect it, hope for it, maybe pray for it, but don't expect it.

It could have gone either way way, I thought Gonzalez won, and I think he wins a rematch decisively.

You never know with past drug users in a sport. Once you get caught there will always be questions. Everything you do is in question if you are caught even if 100% clean after getting caught. The Malik Scott fight should've been an easy fight for Ortiz and there's no one to blame but himself, he should've been more aggressive instead of looking for a one punch knockout. I think that Joshua would've knocked Scott out easily and made the adjustments to get the knockout. I don't like his disrespectful attitude towards fighters like Joshua or Wilder, or the other fighters. You can see why Wilder won't fight him. He's already had to deal with fights being canceld do to others failed drug tests. Honestly I don't mind the cuban fighters other than Rigondeaux. Like I do like Lara despite his flaws as a fighter, I like Joel Casamayor, Rances Barthelemy and Gamboa. Honestly I don't mind Lara despite some of his trash talked. In Ortiz vs Takam I would've picked Takam.

I think he'll stop him next time.

I know you might not have either HBO or Showtime, but they both are airing Joshua vs Klitschko. That's only the third fight to have both networks putting on a fight. I feel this will be huge. Probably will break the UK pay per view record. Also do you know the UK pay per view record fight?

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And that's tough, I mean tough as in, well that's just tough, he deserves it. I agree, but I think he had less comtrol over Scott, and the fight, than that. Haha, tell you what, I don't even think Joshua would have needed to make adjustments, it would have been an easy fight for him. Oh no I wasn't segregating, being prejudice, or anything like that, I agree, with you on Gamboa, Barthelomy, etc, and also Abril, but, and like I said on Broner, you're entitled to your opinion on anybody positive or negative, but Lara is, and as a Canelo fan I'm sure you'll see what I mean, a disrespectful bully, he's nasty, like his boy Rig, Rigondeaux, Lara, Broner, AG, etc, they all talk s***, I see why either like them all, or none, that's my opinion, but that's all, that's all I have to say on that topic, and on the boxing front, Lara is a solid world champion in his own right. Really?, I must say I'm surprised.

I don't, but who knows?, I just hooe the rematch happens.

I know one of the others was Mayweather vs Pacquiao, I'll remember if an when I'm reminded, which was the other?

Ah no sorry man, I couldn't tell you, you could look it up, I'm going to make some estimations, Froch vs Groves II, Joshua vs Whyte, Frampton vs Quigg, Martin vs Joshua, final answer, the first of those four.

I agree, Joshua probably wouldn't need to make adjustments he would just knock him out. I know you weren't doing anything prejudice of that nature. I do like those guys and it's mostly due to skill in the ring. Gamboa and Barthelemy are class acts and I can respect that. For Lara, I like him, but don't agree with everything he says or does. I mean I don't mind him trash talking pre fight to get the fight, but after the fight he seemed like a sore loser. Some fights of Lara I really enjoy, like the Paul Williams fight and the Trout fight. Outside the ring, Lara seems like a nice guy. I'm not a huge fan of Rigondeaux to be honest. I respect his skills and stuff like that, but he never fights to the best of his ability and he is just disrespectful to everybody. I think he is overrated to be honest. People compare him to Floyd I just don't see it. I don't see Floyd floored by unknown fighters, or make fights more dull then they have to. I don't know, I just see a difference between Lara and Rigondeaux. Andre Ward ranked him number one pound for pound, I just don't see it.

I think it will happen. One of the sanctioning bodies ordered it so it should happen.

I think it was Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson.

I'll look to see, but I can see Joshua vs Klitschko breaking ppv records. What are people saying about the fight in the UK? Is there a lot of buzz surrounding the fight?

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At the end of the day (and I don't think either of us is having a lot of fun talking on this topic), there is no reliability in that, because you might have seen Rigondeaux being nasty, when others have seen videos of him being nice, and switcheroo for Lara, all the fighters who you don't like, you don't like for the same reason as me, they conduct themselves in bad ways, and that is bad for the sport, you don't like them because you've seen them talk shit, well I've seen Lara talk shit plenty if times, and dis Canelo many times, he's Rigondeaux's buddy, I'm slipping away from the point here, all fighters have shown themselves to be nice at times, or 99.9%, but some don't show themsleves to be nasty outside of the ring.

I see it, people like fighters who hit more than they get hit, guys who score knock outs, guys who move towards danger rather than avoid it, they see it as a sign of cowardice, through lack of understanding, when they should see itbthe same way we see it, as a sign of intelligence, that's the case for Floyd, but you said it, Rigondeaux let's opportunities which arevright there for him on a plate, slip by, I think he likes the thought if himself beating everybody, and that might include the fans, Inthink he likes that he has the power to do what he likes in the ring, I don't think he cares how he wins.

I think Mayweather vs Pacquiao is like cat and dog,

If it comes to it, and they fight, we as dog lovers are protective, but cats are boss.

You look at Pacquiao against 4 of their common oppoennts kr even just kther opponents at that level, who looks more convincing?

Dogs get more attention, more fuss, there is more buzz about them. You see what I mean?

I don't imagine a proud, big punching Thai like Rungasai would avoid the rematch, he'll fancy humself to do the job, and who could balme him?, let's give him credit too, he boxed out of his skin.

That doesn't surprise me.

Obviously, it is popular, but not as much as you might think, Ali, Tyson are very popular here, the Klitschkos aren't. There isn't that big a buzz about the fight form what I've seen, relative to Haye vs Bellew, Brook vs Spence. There should be.

I', really struggling with my prediction, it depends on so much. Don't be surprised if Klitschko wins, I was speaking with BK yesterday and he was saying how he predicts Klitschko to become a world champion again.

I think that's what Rigondeaux does he just wants to win and doesn't care how to do it. I also think he's stuck in the cuban amateur system where you can win by landing more punches and not pressing for a ko.

I get what you mean.

For my prediction, I'm still with Joshua I just don't know if it's by stoppage or decision.

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Yes absolutely, that's a good point. People shouldn't assume fighters will go all the way just based on what thay have achieved as an amateur, because it doesn't guarantee anything.

I think he'll stop Klitschko, I think he is established enough now, he has enough knowledge of how to use his power, ane can fin enough vulnerability in Klitschko to find the stoppage, but who knows?

That and amateur fighting and pro fighting are different. There's 3 rounds instead of 12 in amateurs. Also in amateurs punch stats matter more.

I hope he does. I think he has studied him and will know what to do but it's easier said then done. Klitschko has 3 losses by ko so that shows that he can be stopped. Even though it was before 2004 it is still telling because he is much older.

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Well that's the difference, in the amateurs, it is all about landing more punches, but in the pros, it is one of a few departments.

Klitschko is very good at smothering and negating the work of his opponent, he is a fighter, I mean, he didn't stop digging his heels in and trying against Fury, he has been dropped 11 times I believe, never stayed down, but to me, there are more questions I can ask about Klitschko, to which if the answer is no, then he could be in big trouble, I suppose, just the basic jab, that can win you fights, that weapon could nullify Joshua, who knows?

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Yes absolutely, that's a good point. People shouldn't assume fighters will go all the way just based on what thay have achieved as an amateur, because it doesn't guarantee anything.

I think he'll stop Klitschko, I think he is established enough now, he has enough knowledge of how to use his power, ane can fin enough vulnerability in Klitschko to find the stoppage, but who knows?

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Yes absolutely, that's a good point. People shouldn't assume fighters will go all the way just based on what thay have achieved as an amateur, because it doesn't guarantee anything.

I think he'll stop Klitschko, I think he is established enough now, he has enough knowledge of how to use his power, ane can fin enough vulnerability in Klitschko to find the stoppage, but who knows?

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Something I was right about, was that as the fight is getting closer, more and more people are favouring Klitschko, I guarantee that there are many people out there who have changed their prediction from Joshua to Klitschko.

You're right and I can see that. I'm still confident in Joshua to win, but it won't be easy.

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So am I, I think he's good enough now, I really think he'll pull this off, and get the stoppage, but I do think Klitschko will out jab him often, give him a lot problems, probably be ahead after 6 rounds. I think if Joshua hurts Klitschko, he will react surprisingly, I think he will fight fire with fire, AJs chin will be tested, and so will his all round durability, I do question how Klitschko would sustain an attac, though, I mean, against Pulev, I didn't see a single combination thrown, he's a one punch at a time kind of fighter most of the time, I think Joshua is very good at making it difficult for opponents to seize the opportunity when they have him hurt, I mean, after Whyte hurt him, just look at how inaccurate Whyte was, I believe that is something he has been working on for years, also, Klitschko is injury susceptible, this could either cause him to relent, or sustain an injury during the fight, so many questions, can't wait.

I think he is to. I think he can get the stoppage to. This is a good test for Joshua all around. How he will react to someone that will fight back, how will he deal with an opponent that is great at negating his opponents work, those are all good questions that will be answered. Now that Klitschko is coming off a long layoff and 2 years older it will be interesting to see how he will respond to Joshua's power. Do you think if Klitschko loses he will retire?

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I think depends on how he loses, if it goes 12, and it is close, but he doesn't get the nod, he might come again, if he takes a sustained beating, if he gets knocked right out, withoug injury or any disadvantage being a factor, then I think he will retire. Klitschko, in my opinion, should have retired a while ago.

I think 18 should be the minimum age for boxers to turn pro, 45 should be the limit, 60 fights should be the limit, a career length of 18 years, in my opinion, should be the limit, and ideally, in my opinion, a boxer has a career which lasts shorter, and does not have over 50 fights, people don't understand that boxers need to be saved from themselves sometimes, and need to call it a day. I think it is obvious that Jones and Toney should be retired, but Cotto, Marquez, I mean, people will argue, but I think they should be retired, as should Pacquiao. I think Pacquiao's problem, like fpr many others, is that they don't have a schedule, I suppose this is more aboit praising Mayweather than criticising Pacquiao, but, for Mayweather, it was clear, September 2015, no earlier, no later, for Pacquiao, after he beat Bradley back in April 2014, he said 'I have one year left', then he has one last fight, the third Bradley fight, and now, he has no plansto retire, boxers, should have scheduled points of retirement, you never know whennyou will slow down, but boxers should have fights possiblyin hand and never experience that in my opinion, fighters should alter their schedules if there is specific reason fto, flf example, injury, but no, I think boxers shluld know when they will retire. I'm not saying retirement should happen in boxibg too early though, I mean, I think great fighters should fight for at least 10 years, have at least 30 fights, and retire at 32 absolute minimum, and usually more, I mean, Angel Garcia saying Dany should retire, come on, ridiculous, and Haye saying he was going to retire right after the Klitschko fight, at 30.