Josh Warrington vs Mauricio Lara Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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JOSH WARRINGTON
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MAURICIO LARA
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Gold's picture

Did you see Easter Jr. vs. Ryan Martin is on the Broner undercard? It went under the radar for me, could be an interesting crossroads fight.

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Yes, but I don't understand why Martin is fighting, he was supposed to be banned until 2022, and I expect Easter to beat him fairly comfortably. Did you get my last reply on the Diaz vs Rakhimov page? We'd discussed that fight and Beterbiev, but I'd be interested to get your opinion on Gongora if you've seen him fight.

I'm hoping to watch the Showbox card tomorrow, I expect Shishkin to stop Agbeko, I was very impressed by him against Mohammedi and Ware, very underrated fighter in my opinion. Bocachica vs Reyes is a solid fight, I'm looking forward to watching that tomorrow, I don't read much into Bocachica dropping Lopez in sparring, he's fought the better opposition overall, but Reyes has been more active, I haven't seen much footage of either, but I'm slightly more impressed by Reyes than Bocachica. Have you seen much of either?

Gold's picture

I don't either, but he must have been cleared before he had those two keep busy fights as I believe all relevant athletic commissions honor the suspensions but I could be wrong about that.

I didn't see it but I will respond to it below.

I forgot about the ShoBox card, I think Shishkin has been good so far, it's just the political aspect of maneuvering him into a mandatory or vacant title position while continuing to build him. I'm not familiar with either Bocachica or Reyes so I can't say. Unfortunately, I've been more busy with real life stuff so I've not been able to follow as closely but I'm still keeping up with the major fights.

For the Smith vs. Beterbiev potential fight, I agree that it will be easier for Beterbiev to hit Smith, but I think it's also about who can grind the other down more and Smith has a decent chance of making that happen in his favor even if it isn't a large chance overall. I don't think Hart is particularly that good either, but if you watch Smith's fight versus Alvarez that may be more interesting to you. He did a better job countering and picking his spots versus Alvarez who is good technically but as I said before I thought Alvarez was below his best in that fight. I think the reason to argue Beterbiev would age faster is his recent injury issues, but that may not play out in the future.

I agree with what you are saying about the Beterbiev vs. Canelo think the strength aspect is interesting of the Beterbiev vs. Canelo matchup, I can't see Canelo being stronger and he has been the stronger fighter in a lot of his recent matchups. That was one thing Ward said about Kovalev, he is a very strong puncher but he isn't physically strong, obviously that isn't true with Beterbiev. I don't know if Beterbiev would want to and could fight the shorter and more compact Canelo on the inside for a significant amount of the fight. I also think the footwork battle would be interesting, we know Canelo's has improved but if he can dictate where the engagements are happening and make Beterbiev waste energy to try to land meaningful shots I think that takes the fight more in Canelo's favor. Very intriguing potential fight but I think it wouldn't happen until 2022 if it did happen.

I did but I wasn't watching it closely, I may have to rewatch it because I remember it being good. I think it would be good to see Gongora in a legitimate title eliminator based on that win, perhaps something like versus Ryder or someone of that level. What did you like that Gongora did?

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At least Miller is banned, until the start of next year at the earliest, Martin was the only other fighter I'd seen punished heavily enough, but Martin didn't fail 5 tests as far as I know.

Yes, and those obstacles must be even harder to overcome because of the pandemic. It should still be a good fight, and even if you don't have time to break it down and make a prediction, hopefully you'll have time to watch it, if it's as good a fight as I expect it to be.

I saw Smith's knock out of Alvarez, but I might watch that whole fight before I say anything else about Beterbiev vs Smith. One thing is for sure, and that's that time is on Smith's side, he's young, he wasn't active in 2017-19, but he was active in 2020.

I agree on the importance of the strength aspect, and I agree on Canelo's footwork, but mentally it could be draining for Canelo, because of the variety of Beterviev, he won't know which shots are coming next. I think the Saunders fight will be next for Canelo, but I could see him fighting 3 times this year, and if he does, then I have no complaints about the Yildirim fight.

Gongora is well schooled, is selective on the outside, is defensively solid, but can fight on the inside, Gongora's left uppercut is a phenomenal shot, it's the shot that dropped Akhmedov both times. I think Gongora is top 3 at 168, beats Saunders, Smith, Plant.

Gold's picture

Exactly, I'm glad Miller didn't get away with it because of not being licensed at the time. I don't know which is worse in terms of optics, Miller blowing a career payday because of a failed drug test or Martin getting destroyed and then popping.

I didn't catch the ShoBox fights because I forgot it was Wednesday (here at least) instead of Thursday. I saw that Shishkin won big on points, if you caught them were any of the fights good? They are available on Showtime streaming so I may watch them if they are good.

I think it will be draining mentally for Canelo, he has a very high ring IQ but it is a big ask. If he didn't have as high of a ring IQ as he has I don't think he would be favored or thought of as having a real chance in that fight. I think for Canelo that's why managing the range and terms of engagement is so important, because Beterbiev is a quality offensive operator.

I will have to rewatch but I would be skeptical just based off his win versus Akhmedov but he could be at that level of course, that's why I want to see him versus someone like Ryder. Do you know if he has signed with Matchroom?

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He's the most disappointing title challenger in the history of the sport, all that hype and trash talk, for nothing, we agreed to disagree on his talent, but we can agree now he won't be a challenge for a top heavyweight. In theory, Miller could do a U-turn on his career, like Fury did, but I doubt he's living the life, he's older than Fury, it will be an even longer layoff than Fury had, he isn't as talented as Fury, and Fury had the Klitschko fight, Miller doesn't have experience like that.

They weren't available in the UK, I haven't got around to watching Bocachica vs Reyes yet, but I heard it was a good fight, Farhood said he expects to see more of both in the future.

I agree with that, he doesn't have a style which makes him look like he's the most intelligent, but he has one of the highest ring IQs in boxing, he can handle himself in the pocket against a Kovalev and Beterviev, his head movement, positioning, pacing, are all great attributes. I'd be very interested to see how Canelo would deal with the variety of Beterviev, and how much pressure he applies relative to the Kovalev fight, because Beterviev has better stamina.

He signed with Matchroom last month, so there are definitely fights there for him, I could see the Ryder fight happening, makes sense for both, I don't know if a fight against Jacobs or Smith fight are realistic, but those would be good fights. I would be skeptical if that was all he had, but look at his amateur background, he beat Falcao and Gausha in the WSB, he's well schooled and skilful aside from the Akhmedov fight, I didn't think he'd transitioned well to the professionals when I watched some of his other fights, but he proved that wasn't the case against Akhmedov.

Gold's picture

It is impressive to fail to make it to the ring the way he did. I doubt Miller will stop cheating, it seems unlikely his stamina was natural given his size. He is also toxic to promoters so it will be interesting to see what he does. I also heard he owed money to J Prince who was managing him as an advance and J Prince is someone who Miller does not want to owe money to.

I don't think those fights are realistic either and I don't know anything about Ryder but there have been guys in his position who try to milk it until they get another title shot, so hopefully he would take the fight. I think Jacobs is on the way down, he's looking for money fights so Gongora should definitely want that, I doubt he would get it though. Hopefully he gets a good fight and doesn't get stuck in a purgatory on undercards. Of course as fans we want to see the best fight the best.

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I definitely agree on that, I'd have given him the benefit of the doubt before he failed a test, but in hindsight, his stamina was always suspicious for a heavyweight, especially such a big heavyweight. I wasn't aware of any debt Miller had within his own team, but he doesn't need financial trouble, it's incredible that his failed tests cost him more money than most people earn in a lifetime, what a fool. Miller signed with Top Rank before he failed the last test, do you what the situation is there?

I agree on Jacobs, he's looked poor in his last 2 fights, the Rosado fight shouldn't have been so close and he should have dealt with Chavez's size better, he made a great account of himself against Golovkin and Canelo, especially Golovkin, but I agree he's likely looking for a cash out. The Ryder fight seems the most likely, I wouldn't mind seeing that on the Canelo vs Saunders undercard if that happens mid year. I agree that's a concern, that he's a solid professional fighter who is disciplined, does his job, but the business doesn't agree with him, he isn't marketable, and he has a stagnant career, hopefully that isn't the case with Gongora, and he gets an opportunity, because once a fighter has been in a big fight and made a good account of themselves, raised their stock, they set up their future, but for Gongora, Shishkin, Tishchenko, they need that one opportunity to put themselves on the map.

Gold's picture

I think Miller just got released from Top Rank after he popped, no point in having him around. Have you seen this? https://twitter.com/lazylefty/status/1365284233044967424 If it's true Lopez should leave, Arum needs to retire and they need to get their priorities straight at Top Rank in general. It costs them relationships with fighters when he runs his mouth like that, they may have not even been in this position if the relationship wasn't already antagonistic between them. It makes it seem more likely that for whatever reason the TR brass actually believed the Lomachenko propaganda and wanted Loma to beat Teofimo as Teofimo said.

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I agree, the reason I asked was because if he was still with Top Rank, he could fight Anderson at the start of 2022, the battle of the big babies, Miller would run his mouth and hype the fight, Anderson seems a marketable prospect, but I suppose it's a moot point if he's been released.

I hadn't, thanks for the information, another indictment on Top Rank's treatment of it's fighters. Lopez should definitely leave, Arum clearly doesn't want to promote him, Robert Garcia was saying just after Crawford vs Brook that Arum's comments on Crawford were definitely not that of a promoter who will keep his fighter. You have to question if Arum has dementia, he's almost 90, I agree he should retire even if not. If Lopez leaves Top Rank, surely it takes more from Top Rank than Lopez, because 130 and 140 are better divisions for Top Rank than 135, because Garcia, Haney, Davis etc, aren't with Top Rank.

Gold's picture

Pay hasn't been an issue at TR to this point, Crawford took a gamble taking higher guaranteed purses and staying with TR. The problem is likely that the UFC can pay their fighters nothing so TR is under pressure from ESPN to produce at a certain cost and that's impossible. Like to give you some perspective Lopez is making more from the Triller PPV mandatory purse bid than a vast amount of PPV headliners in UFC history. The mid level guys in boxing make way more too. Bob is old and should retire from running the company, he seems there mentally but he's just whining and acting out. Penny wise and pound foolish.

Champion97's picture

Thanks for the insight, I'm always happy to learn more about the business aspect of boxing. I wouldn't have assumed Lopez would make more than the biggest UFC PPV headliners, thay says a lot. Arum has done well to stay in the business for as long as he has, maybe his age is a problem, but it might just be that he's outspoken enough to speak his mind and disrespect his own fighter in a post fight interview, not something you see every day, but Arum isn't easy going.

On a different but not unrelated topic, Don King promoting Stiverne is a concern, Stiverne's speech was slurred before the Wilder rematch, he's taken 3 beatings since then, Hearn and Arum might be dog eat dog businessesmen, but do you think they'd want to promote a Stiverne if it made any financial sense? It's a question worth asking, because whatever we might think about Hearn and Arum, King has a far worse track record.

Gold's picture

It's difficult to say exactly because the UFC does PPV points for their biggest stars (they get a % of the PPV sales) which isn't public info. I assume McGregor, Rousey, Lesnar, and Khabib have made more but I don't know if guys like Liddell made more or not. Other than that likely not, but the UFC has worked very hard to obscure their finances and keep their fighters from earning money. They were big on pushing the Nevada State Athletic Commission in the last year or two to stop reporting purses and they push bonuses and backroom bonuses to keep fighters on the hook hoping for more. When Dana White got involved with the UFC he was bankrolled by the Fertittas who have mob ties so it's not surprising they run it in such a degenerate way. A previous lawsuit showed they only paid 26% of their revenue to fighters which is laughable, anyone who is into business at any level knows labor is the #1 expense and it's far less than any major American sports league. Now that it is run by investors why would that change? They have to pay off loans for the company. I have never and will never pay for anything UFC-related because of how it is run. Way worse than boxing. That's also why I'm concerned about Eddie, he has been vocal about how he likes the UFC model, makes sense for him but it's terrible for the fighters. Even with how Arum is it's better he's around to diversify the competition, the more legitimate players there are the less fighters get screwed over. The problem is when they try to collude like Todd DuBoef did with DAZN to screw guys over in the Lopez situation.

I don't know, but Lou DiBella promoted Jermain Taylor after he had a major brain issue if I remember correctly. Don King is awful, I think we've talked about it before but the story about him meeting the Klitschko's is a classic.

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I wonder if they were also pushing on the NSAC not to let the fact they'd asked for the purses not to be leaked, because it makes them look bad, I can't see any good reason for the purses to be undisclosed. So the backroom bonuses are bait money? I respect that, why should you support them if you believe they're unethical? My family have a policy that we don't purchase from Amazon because of their human rights violations.

That doesn't ring a bell, but I'm sure it's quite a story. That doesn't surprise me about DiBella, wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw, he behaves like an idiot, and he's a scumbag for promoting Taylor when he already had a neurological problem. I'm concerned for Stiverne, I don't know who trains him, but King won't be prioritising his well being, that's for sure, I'm surprised more people aren't picking up on the bad signs and the fact that he continues to combine inactivity, not living the life, with a sustained beating every 18 months.

Gold's picture

I can't remember the details, but the Fertittas have a long history with the NSAC and their relationship still exists which should be a conflict of interest. I believe one of the Fertittas was the commissioner for either Tyson vs. Holyfield or the rematch, so they go back a while. The bonuses aren't necessarily bait, they are legitimately paid out in some instances, but they are used to keep name fighters from becoming too unhappy and to give up and coming fighters false hope. Grey Maynard talked about the UFC's pay, he got paid 26k to headline a title fight PPV as a challenger with a 50k bonus. The main thing the UFC does is create company men out of their top guys so there's no one to lead any labor organization. The only one who possibly could is Georges St. Pierre (who is a guy I forgot to mention as someone who has made a lot fighting in the UFC). As I was saying middle level guys in boxing make way more, like Joe Smith Jr made 200k to fight Eleider Alvarez, Jessie Vargas made something crazy like a million dollars to fight Mikey, etc. That's very good you guys don't buy from Amazon, I try to reduce what I buy from them because they are bad for us collectively. The US has a crazy convenience culture so it's even harder to break away from Amazon in the US.

There's a video of the actual incident if you care to look it up on youtube "Don King and the Klitschko Brothers", basically he brought them over to the US to try to sign them and had a big grand piano and acted like he was "playing" it for them but they noticed it was a "player piano" (I don't know if that's the right term for it) that can play the music itself. That's how they immediately knew he was totally fraudulent and they wouldn't sign with him. The one thing with King is that he can't set up big fights, can't put his fighters in good positions, so it's unlikely Stiverne is going to get destroyed. However, we know that it's the sub concussive repeated hits that do a lot of the damage, the athletic commissions should not license him or any fighter in bad condition. Unfortunately, many do anyways because of the money it makes and the cost to run tests on guys.

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All good to know, thanks.

I just watched the video, shows how wise Vitali Klitschko is, underrated fighter, and he saw through Don King. I think Marcos Villaegas was unprofessional to interview King at the end of 2019, now we know he's a fraud and a thief, Lamont Brewster was talking on the documentary that revisited the piano story, I assume he was talking about Mike Tyson when he said his friend signed a contract because he was promised up front money. King isn't too different to a loan shark is he? He's more manipulative, but I think there are similarities. That's believable, that's why no one, at least over here, has heard of Trevor Bryan. As you just said, sustained beatings are more damaging, he got dropped twice and took a lot of punishment against Bryan, fatuiged fighters, who can't keep their chins down, getting hit in high volume and breaking down from accumulation is very damaging, Stiverne took more miles against Bryan than he did against Wilder II or would against AJ, and King not being able to get him a big fight isn't good for him not only because he won't make as much money in the short term, but because he's more likely to continue fighting and take more damage if he can't cash out. I hadn't considered that, but that makes sense, medical tests need funding, similar to drug testing needing funding, but greed of some of these commissions is the problem.

Gold's picture

I agree, and Coppinger interviewing Kinahan is similar to me. King is a part of the bygone era of blatant thief promoters, it was far worse back in the day. I haven't seen the Bryan fight (because I assume it was trash lol) but that makes sense, a better fighter can blow him out and someone like Bryan can't. Another problem with these commissions is it is generally difficult to get qualified people to do that kind of work because of how much nepotism and other relationships with the powers drive things like that.

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It was trash from what I saw, Bryan didn't raise his stock, he'd have stopped Stiverne a lot earlier if he hadn't been so heavy, but his preparation was terrible. Another fighter to be concerned for is Anthony Mundine, he's been knocked down at least 15 times, was pummeled and dropped 4 times against Hatley, dropped 5 times against Clottey, he's 45, Horn, at 160, knocked him out with 1 shot in the first round, which shows how shot he was even then, he shouldn't be fighting, nevermind fighting Zerafa.

Do you mean nepotism in terms of how testing and health assessments are conducted? I hadn't considered that, most boxing fans complain about judging and referees stopping fights too early, and why wouldn't they? When those are worst cases of possible corruption or even just incompetence they're aware of?

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Mundine also had a career before as a rugby player that couldn't have been good for him, I agree he's someone who shouldn't be fighting.

I was thinking more in terms of who is on the commission and who sets the rules/assessment guidelines, but that may happen as well. In my opinion it's better than the other way around, if fights like Duran vs. Moore happened now there's no way Moore would have been allowed to continue after he got floored the first time. It's harder to know about that kind of stuff generally, I don't know a lot about it. I don't blame fans, they aren't investigative journalists or watchdogs.