Jono Carroll vs Scott Quigg Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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JONO CARROLL
10
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100
SCOTT QUIGG
9
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90

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Gold's picture

Hey man, what's your opinion on Ryan Garcia vs. Luke Campbell if it happens? Looks like it is the most likely option at the moment and would be a great fight in my opinion.

Champion97's picture

Hey man. It's an interesting fight, I think Linares stopping Morales worried Garcia's handlers, and stopped that fight happening, I think at this stage, Eddie Reynoso said he isn't ready for Linares, and Campbell is definitely higher risk than Linares, so I think it's a mistake, and Campbell is being underestimated. I think Garcia should have fought Linares, Campbell deserves to fight for the vacant title against Fortuna, is Campbell vs Garcia for the title? Or is an eliminator? Garcia has been written off by some as a hype job before he's been tested, he proved in his last two fights he could punch, made a statement in both fights, but he still has a lot to prove, is untested in a lot of aspects, and I think Campbell has the beating of him, I know Garcia isn't inexperienced, especially for his age, but I still think Campbell is too seasoned, but it's a great learing fight for Garcia even if he loses. It wouldn't surprise me if Garcia knocked Campbell out, he can definitely hurt him, can do more damage in the fight, but I don't think he would find Campbell's chin, I think Garcia is defensively sloppy, and Campbell will get his shots off, but it's important not to give Garcia the ground he needs, to throw combinations, but 2-3 shot combinations, stick and move, and not stand and trade. If Campbell beats Garcia, he undoubtably deserves another shot, but if he loses, I don't think he'll fight for a world title again, I think it's now or never for Campbell.

Gold's picture

I disagree with that, I think it is just COVID related that the fight isn't happening, and the fact that Garcia has bigger opportunities like him versus Campbell. Garcia has come some way since he fought Morales. If Reynoso didn't think he has a good chance versus Campbell they would go the WBO mandatory route they've been offered. It should be Haney vs. Campbell for the title or Fortuna vs. Campbell eliminator to fight Haney in my opinion. Campbell vs. Garcia is for the interim title, whatever that means in the ridiculous title picture the WBC has created at Lightweight. I don't think Garcia is a hype job for the reasons you mentioned, he looks like he has been improving in his last two fights and he is still young. If they weren't confident in him and they wanted to milk it more they certainly could. Doesn't inherently mean he will beat Campbell but I think they must be confident in their chances. Campbell certainly has more experience but I wonder if Campbell's trajectory is stagnant or going down and Garcia's is going up quickly. One thing that is interesting if you look at Garcia's record is that he has only gone eight rounds or more three times, and the last time was vs. Morales in 2018. So even though he's clearly improving I wonder if he is really getting the in fight experience he may need versus Campbell. I wouldn't be surprised if Campbell used his good pedigree and experience to win on points, keeping him honest as you said, but I think Garcia is going to win, to be honest. I don't know if that is a surprise to you or not that I think that but I think Garcia will win because of his offense and athletic ability, but I expect it will be a very good and interesting match. Whoever wins deserves a shot at Haney which would be a big fight especially if Garcia won. I don't know how long Campbell wants to stay in the game but he's 32 and if Lomachenko moves down or retires it could open up the title picture even if he were to lose. I agree it seems unlikely though.

Champion97's picture

For name value, why is Campbell a bigger opportunity than Linares on paper? Linares is a three weight world champion. I don't doubt the Reynosos are confident Garcia beats Campbell, I'm saying they're underestimating Campbell. Garcia will definitely have improved since he fought Morales, but they probably won't have expected Linares to stop him. Eddie Reynoso definitely said Garcia isn't ready for Linares, maybe Chepo and/or Garcia disagreed and convinced Eddie he is ready for Linares or an opponent on that level, e.g Campbell. If Garcia wins, I reckon they'll make him the champion and call Haney the franchise champion, like they did with Charlo and Canelo. Good point, but I think sparring makes a much bigger difference when you haven't been a certain distance in a while than if you haven't done the distance at all, but I suppose we don't know how many rounds he spars, hasn't been 12 rounds, Campbell has been 12 rounds 5 times, and his last two fights didn't go one full round. Not a surprise at all because Campbell can definitely be hurt, been down 4 times, Garcia has proven he can punch in his last 2 fights, has the momentum, and although Campbell is a good fighter, a walk in the park for no one, he isn't as good a professional as he was an amateur, hasn't transitioned the worst from amateur to professional, but not the best, I would be more confident if Garcia hadn't been 10 rounds against Morales and Velez, and had over 200 rounds, but he isn't that inexperienced, so it is a 50/50 fight. I don't think Garcia has better athletic ability than Campbell, stamina improves throughout your twenties, Garcia is explsoive, but so is Campbell. Strength will be interesting, Campbell is used to being the bigger fighter, I know Garcia fought at 130, but he is very tall for 135. I think Campbell can deal with a strength disadvantage better than Garcia, and I don't think Garica has fought as big a lightweight as Campbell, so if Campbell can back Garcia up, Garcia will have problems. I think this is make or break for Campbell at 32, that's certainly not young for a lightweight, he doesn't have too many miles, but he peaked in 2017 or 18, and will be declining soon if he isn't already.

Gold's picture

Linares is considered shot by many including myself and Campbell is somewhat of a name in the UK. If Linares vs. Campbell II was made I would be confident picking Campbell for example. If Lomachenko moves down? Right now Lomachenko is the "franchise champion". Hard to say who can get sparring and of what quality during this time as well. Mostly agree with the rest of what you said, it will be interesting to see if Garcia can make Campbell tentative early with his power.

Champion97's picture

I think if Linares was shot like we both thought, he spilt gave held up so well in those first two rounds, and been able to stop Morales like that, I think we were both proven wrong there, still, he's past his best, and I'd be confident Campbell would beat him now. I forgot Lomachenko was the franchise champion, but the I'd imagine the WBC can make money on terms of building a fighter's status, and collect more fees, by having two champions, because if they call the likely best in the division, but give the proper belt to a fighter who hasn't earned it, they have two champions. Good point, I'm they'll still sparr fighters in the same stable, but it will be harder for sparring partners to travel. I don't think he can because Campbell is very experienced, and I think he will be able to find the balance between fighting the puncher's fight, and being gun shy.

Gold's picture

I think he is still shot, Morales is not good, Garcia just needed that fight to make a change in his career which has allowed him to develop significantly. Linares has a ton of miles on him and didn't look good in his fight in Japan either. If you think Campbell has peaked do you think that it is possible Garcia could use his athleticism and power to negate Campbell's experience? Also have you seen Jared Anderson on these Top Rank cards recently? He looks like a very good heavyweight prospect but he's early on in his career.

Champion97's picture

Shot is a term some people use more often than others, but in my opinion, a fighter isn't shot until his resistance is gone, and when he sees shots coming, he can't avoid it even though he knows how to, and the knowledge and experience is there, but the reflexes aren't, and the body doesn't follow, Linares isn't at that point based on the Morales fight, however, shot or not shot, he's past his best, and I'd be confident that Campbell would beat him now. I think Campbell is higher risk, lower reward than Linares, you'll know better than me how highly Campbell is rated in the US, and how much beating him would raise Garcia's stock, but on paper, Linares would be a better win, as he's a three weight world champion, and Campbell, who he beat, isn't, and we agree Campbell is higher risk, so I don't think it's good management for Garcia, I know he's been fast tracked, is getting opportunities, but that doesn't mean he's well managed. I think it's possible if Campbell has declined significantly, and Garcia has the right game plan, makes Campbell feel the power early, pushes him back, makes him work, but I don't think he will use those strengths to negate Campbell's experience, I'm not convinced he's more of an athlete than Campbell at this stage. I think Garcia will struggle with Campbell's angles, lateral movement, and Campbell goes to the body, which pays dividends later in the fight, I think he will be a step ahead in the early rounds, and come on strong at the end, it's the mid and early late rounds when Garcia will have the best chance in my opinion, I haven't seen enough of Garcia to break down what he does and doesn't do well, with confidence, but it will be interesting to see who is a better inside fighter, it wouldn't surprise me if he got the better of Campbell on the inside, and I'd be shocked if he couldn't hurt Campbell based on Campbells chin history, and Garcia's last few fights, but I wouldn't rule out Campbell being stronger than Garcia, I don't think he will be, but both are big for the weight, I think he can push him back in the early rounds because of the threat of his power, but I don't think he can bully Campbell onto a survival mission, and in the second half, when there is more inside fighting, it will be more of a test of sheer physical strength rather than who is the aggressor and will come off best in a gunslinger.

I haven't, but it looks like the it's a competitive new generation of fighters, I'll watch Anderson fight at some stage. Did you hear Fulton vs Leo is on? What's your take on that fight?