Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury II Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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DEONTAY WILDER
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52
TYSON FURY
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59

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What a fight!! Joshua has to be next.

Champion97's picture

I don't think it will happen this year, but eventually.

He says that he will retire after the Joshua fight, do you believe him? Also Fury's performance was top notch he fought the perfect fight against Wilder and did as he said. Props to him. I saw a tweet of Furys dating back to 2013 saying the biggest fight of his era was going to be Wilder and that he would knock him out.

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Can't say I do or don't believe him, he is too unpredictable.

He's way too unpredictable. Realistically what is next for Fury? I just don't see Joshua being next for him. I think best case scenario late 2020 is when they will fight. This fight is bigger then what Joshua Wilder would've been, it needs to happen soon.

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I think either the third Wilder fight or Whyte, unless Top Rank make Fury vs Miller, I'd say the trilogy is the most likely.

I can see it being Wilder Fury 3, and Joshua vs Pulev, then them fighting late 2020, early 2021. Three big fights for Fury might be too much. He didn't take much damage against Wilder surprisingly.

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I think the only fight an on form Fury would take damage in at this stage is the Joshua fight, and I wouldn't even if Joshua a good shot to beat him to be honest, I knew Fury had the potential to be this good, but I didn't think Fury could get back to his best after the layoff, he proved me wrong.

Great card in Oxon Hill on April 17, Campbell vs Fortuna, Prograis vs Hooker.

I agree with you. I hope he doesnt retire after the Joshua fight. I still want to see him fight Dubois and a few others before he retires. Do you think he can be considered a top 10 heavyweight with a lacking resume compared to others? Like ali or Lewis. He's proved me wrong a lot too. I picked Klitchsko the first time because i knew a little more about Klitschko and i didn't have enough knowledge on Fury at the time of making my prediction.

That's a great card. I heard Fury Wilder 3 is official, is that true?

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I think Dubois is part of a different era, he isn't ready for Fury, I like that fight if it happens in a few years, but I think all Fury needs to do is beat Joshua. He is the best heavyweight of all time in my opinion because I think he would beat any heavyweight, but in terms of resume, which is different to what I mean when I say he's the best, does it lack if he beats Joshua? I don't think so, because if he beats Joshua, he beats all the other top heavyweights in his era, he doesn't have a lot of wins over top 10 heavyweights, might not have any wins over top 10 heavyweights outside his best wins, but does it matter? Because he's beaten 2 hall of famers, 2 who had a good case for them the best in the division, and if he beats Joshua, that's 3. It's interesting to compare Fury's resume to that of Ali and Lewis, let's look at Ali and Lewis's 3 best wins, I'd say Foreman, Liston, Frazier for Ali, Tyson, Vitali, Holyfield for Lewis, no question Fury's resume is the weakest outside of their top 2 wins, but it depends on how high you rate Wlad, Wilder, and the opponents from the other eras.

Not a done deal yet, but it is targeted for July 18 at the MGM Grand.

That is true, once Dubois gets older, he'll get other top competition. I think Joshua is a huge fight and will cement his legacy. I personally love watching Fury fight and would like to see him fight other names too. I'd love to see the Usyk fight, Ortiz and maybe someone else. I would've loved to see him fight Haye back in the day, but that was all out of his control. His wins over Chisora were pretty good, he was a tough fight in his time. I think all things considered, he should be at least top 10 of all time. I'm not sure exactly where I'd rank him. I rank Wlad very highly because he is also a top 10 HW of all time as well and Fury made him look bad.

I'm kind of over the trilogy to be honest. I rather see Fury fight Joshua or Usyk. Well Usyk for now since Joshua is booked.

Also did you hear about Fury allegdly cheating? Do you think it's legit or that it's excuses from Wilder fans?

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Maybe Usyk if he does well at heavyweight, but apart from that, Joshua is the only important fight for Fury in my opinion. I believe he would have beaten Haye very, very easily, and it wouldn't have been a good fight. It depends on what the criteria is, I think the term for who would beat who and who was better than who is head to head, but who has the best resume and legacy is different. In terms of legacy it's tough for me to say, but I definitely think Fury would beat any heavyweight in the history of boxing.

So is Usyk, he is fighting Chisora in May, and the Wilder fight is highly likely to happen now Wilder hasn't taken the step aside money, has officially activated the rematch clause.

I think it's just an excuse, a representative from Wilder's team will have been in the dressing room and will have seen everything.

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Congrats on your correct prediction! Didn't think there was any chance Fury could win by KO like that. Truly a great fighter.

Champion97's picture

Thanks man. I didn't think he would be that dominant, but I was confident he would win. Do you think Fury vs Joshua will happen this year?

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Not at all because they both have obligations. All promoters do this but Hearn is especially bad at calling for fights with his guys versus opponents who have fights booked/will have fights booked so he can look like he's the one trying to make it happen. I think there will be Fury vs. Wilder III sometime in the summer because it's a lot of money for Wilder and I don't know where else he'd go. Then Fury will likely fight Whyte as the mandatory. If I remember correctly he only has something like three fights left on his contract before he says he wants to retire, so perhaps him versus AJ will be his last one towards the beginning of 2021.

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I agree it won't happen this year. It's a cash out for Wilder I suppose, I think he will activate the rematch clause, but I think if he does, and the WBC order the third fight, Fury will vacate the belt, he doesn't want to fight Wilder again and he will never be a fighter who does what an organisation tells him. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't fight again, it also wouldn't surprise me if he went to PBC after his Top Rank contract is up, he is so unpredictable. Wilder vs Whyte would be a good fight if Fury vacates, but if Whyte beats Povetkin and Wilder doesn't activate the rematch clause, Fury vs Whyte isn't a bad fight, a tune up in theory, but I don't think Fury would be as good against Whyte as against Wilder because he wouldn't be as motivated.

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I don't think it is a cash out for Wilder, Wilder can still win if he makes the right changes, has the right mentality and Fury comes in mediocre shape, but those are a lot of "if"s. What makes you think Fury would vacate? It is a huge check for him and certainly a fight he is favored to win. I didn't see anything about him not wanting to fight Wilder again. Also, it has nothing to do with the WBC mandating it, it is a contract rematch clause which is enforceable in court unless Fury retires. I don't think this fight really changes my predictions about Wilder vs. the rest of the division. It is a lot easier said than done to do what Fury did, he just made it look easy because he's that good. I don't think Fury would be as good versus Whyte either but he'd still school him with this new style. I hope he can keep it on track and Sugar Hill doesn't retire because it looks like Fury is hitting a new level in putting together all aspects of his game.

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I don't think he can beat Fury now unless Fury makes mistakes in or out the ring. I don't think Fury will want to bother with Wilder again, I don't think he would get up for that fight. My bad, and I suppose if there is that much money at stake, Fury might take the third fight. Me neither in terms of his level, but after that, will he be the same? I 100% agree, Fury made Klitschko and Wilder look terrible because he's that good. How new is his style? Because I think he's always been versatile, has always been a great inside fighter.

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He has the ultimate puncher's chance so I still think he can win if he can somehow land a punch that Fury can't see. Going to be hard to do though because Fury's style made him really uncomfortable and when Wilder tried to land the right hand in the first Fury leaned back and rode the punch. Are you basing that off of something Fury said? I haven't heard anything from him that would make me think he wouldn't take the third fight. It isn't new now that you mentioned that, he used a similar style versus Cunningham if I remember correctly. It's just that he showed up in great shape physically and mentally in this fight. A lot of people thought there was no way he'd walk Wilder down because of Wilder's reputation as a puncher but that didn't affect Fury at all. When there is a rematch people sometimes ask if it will be a continuation of their first fight or a new fight entirely. I think there is something to saying it was a continuation of their first fight when Fury got up in the 12th and had success walking him down. He just took that to another level.

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Still seems like a cash out, but I see that a puncher like Wilder will always have confidence he can win. No I'm not, but nowadays, with lineal champions like Canelo, Fury, belts get vacated, I'm not saying he will do it, but I won't be surprised if he does. He was able to collapse the pocket, and once they were in close, and Wilder didn't have the space to get his right hand off. Fury also did a lot of damage to the body in this fight, he broke Wilder down. I agree in that he picked up where he left off.

Jay Deas reckons Wilder's ring entrance outfit was one of the reasons he lost, I've heard some ridiculous excuses in boxing, but that might be the worst, he said the stoppage was premature, I don't know why Breland isn't the head trainer, that might have been a factor in terms of Wilder not making adjustments, because Deas isn't a good trainer. I wonder how good a fighter Wilder would have been if he'd started earlier and more importantly worked on his skills.

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We talked before the fight about how we didn't think being on the inside was bad for Fury, it was just the question of if he could close the distance, but he did that easily in this fight. The way he put together his punches was great, I thought the left hook to the body that dropped Wilder for the second time was a great punch.

It is completely ridiculous, and after you posted that Wilder just doubled down on it and said that it was the costume's fault his legs weren't there and that he was considering firing Breland. If he fires Breland and that's his mentality going into the third fight, he's going to get beaten badly again, and hopefully, the referee will have mercy on him because I worry Deas won't. I agree that Breland should be the head trainer, he has a lot of experience and had a similar build when he fought at 147 so he can help Wilder with building his skills. If he would have started from day one with someone like Steward he could have been great. I think Wilder did some things right early in this fight, his strengths like his jab which he used to Fury's body, but he is limited.

Champion97's picture

Yes, because he was patient, and he made Wilder give up his ground, applied educated pressure, to make it harder for Wilder to catch him coming in, because Wilder isn't great at attacking off the back foot.

I heard he did fire Breland, which is a joke, I wonder if Wilder has seen the replay, because sometimes fighters think a stoppage was premature, see the replay, and chanve their mind, like Quillin against Jacobs. Deas is a fool, I agree it's dangerous for Wilder to fight Fury again with him as his trainer, he eityer doesn't care or more likely doesn't understand how dangerous boxing can be.

Great card confirmed for April 17 in Oxon hill.

Gold's picture

I don't think it is about the replay because it's been two days. I think it's just a defensive response to protect his ego which is a problem because he won't improve like that. For all of the issues Fury has, he could have felt sorry for himself with the draw in the first fight but he improved his gameplan and fitness significantly and beat Wilder badly. I can't see any way Wilder improves like that after seeing how he has reacted.

With Prograis vs. Hooker and Campbell vs. Fortuna? I think Prograis should beat Hooker convincingly but Campbell vs. Fortuna will be a really good fight. Good two fights to headline though.

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Did you see the rumor that Arum is trying to make Pacquiao vs. Crawford for the summer? Highly doubtful it will happen because it's a classic Bob move to do a bait and switch like that and it would have to be another cross-promotional fight, but what would you make of that? I want to see it, to be honest. As you likely know by this point they are two of my favorite fighters. Even though I think there isn't a very good chance Pacquiao wins, it is high risk and high reward. Pacquiao/Roach didn't want the fight when they were both at TR, Crawford's style is bad for Pacquiao. However, if Pacquiao wins it would be another huge legacy win, and if he loses to Crawford it would be a good profile boosting win for Crawford and I don't think it would count against Pacquiao.

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No I didn't. I think it would be a good fight, definitely an interesting fight, Crawford would have to be the favourite, but I can't pick against Pacquiao with too much confidence, he's made me look an idiot in his last 3 fights. It would be interesting to see if Crawford could neutralise Pacquiao like Mayweather did, I don't think he's as good as Mayweather, but almost. Definitely bad since Pacquiao hasn't fought a southpaw in so long, and we've seen him struggle with fighters who move, he couldn't deal with Mayweather's movement and Bradley gave him problems by using the ring, so I agree on that. I agree on that as well, the pressure would be on Crawford, it's his era, Pacquiao has already made history, doesn't need to add anything to his resume, but Crawford still needs at least one career defining win.

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Agree fully, just one more day and there is another rumor about Pac vs. Mikey (assuming he wins) in Saudi Arabia on DAZN. Thinking that is actually less likely unless Pac's PBC contract is up which I haven't heard anything about. Why would Al send an A-side to another network? Would make no sense.