Sun, 2019-11-10 07:34
What did you think of the YouTubers, and the card as a whole? BJS struggled, but got the big KO. Had been hearing he was next for Canelo for awhile, wonder if this fight cemented that, or cost him money. Guess it depends on what Canelo is looking for. Haney was okay, but still looks to need some more development. May be on the shelf for a bit, as o think he dislocated his right shoulder. Rios looked really good though.
Sun, 2019-11-10 07:42
I haven't watched it yet, but I plan on watching it today, so I'll have to get back to you on it.
Sun, 2019-11-10 07:47
Gotcha. Yeah, I’m going to try to finally catch Inoue-Donaire today myself. Too much going on. Messaged Zoe again about the new rash of spammers.
Mon, 2019-11-11 11:26
I thought KSI vs. Logan Paul was pretty decent in terms of entertainment and their skill level wasn't as bad as some people made out that it would be before the fight. I thought Logan Paul gave the fight away with his low activity but credit to KSI for gritting it out. Very strange and poor referee performance by someone who is usually great in Jack Reiss. BJS looked very poor but it is tough to say with him. Like Fury, BJS seems to train and fight to the level of his opponent. What I really didn't like was that his feet were slower and he doesn't look as slick as at 160. If he fights like that or near that level versus Canelo he gets stopped. I don't think it affects his chances to get the Canelo fight though, the appeal of the BJS fight for Canelo is his belt. I thought Haney looked good given the circumstances of the short turnaround and a decent opponent. I would like to see him work on his inside/clinch game more though. I didn't watch the Rios fight but it will be interesting to see where Golden Boy goes with him as obviously they weren't planning for him to beat DDLH.
Mon, 2019-11-11 11:47
With Rios, he’s now in the top 10 in the WBC, and has the WBA gold belt, so imagine those would be his routes if they were going to get him a title shot. They promote Vargas, so maybe a voluntary at some point. Matchroom and GB are fairly thin at Super Bantamweight though, so not a ton of viable in house options.
Who do you think has a better shot with Loma, Haney or Teo?
I agree. No better time than now to get BJS in against Canelo, as he’s got the belt and his stock likely doesn’t get higher. I’ve just never thought he was very good, at least not on the level of GGG and Canelo like people have placed him.
You believe Canelo ever come back to 160? If not, you have an eye on anyone that would ascend to a title shot, other than the champions and SD?
Mon, 2019-11-11 13:51
Hope you don't mind me chiming in.
Rios has proven he is good outside of the De La Hoya fight, but why did De La Hoya's team let him fight at 122 after he collapsed and was hospitalised trying to make the weight?, that doesn't need to happen for you to know it's time to move up.
I think Haney is better than Lopez, but 'hype job exposed', just because he had a competitive fight against Nakatani is ridiculous, and both have a lot of potential. Haney vs Campbell should happen next year in my opinion, maybe in March, would be a similar fight to Commey vs Lopez.
Mon, 2019-11-11 14:44
Both Haney vs. Campbell and Commey vs. Lopez would give us a real gauge of where both guys are at instead of the speculation phase we are currently at. I think Eddie will make the fight for Haney and it will be a great one for fans.
Mon, 2019-11-11 14:59
I think Commey will edge Lopez, but I think he would win if it was just a year later, I think now that he has been 12 rounds, had a learning fight, he will be a better fighter. I assume you think both prospects would win, I know you would have Haney over Campbell, it's highly likely Lopez and Haney have the potential to be better than Campbell and Commey, but it's a question of whether they can beat them now, when they still have a lot to learn.
Mon, 2019-11-11 16:34
I'm not sure about my prediction for Commey vs. Lopez, I want to see some more information on his camp and mentality going into the fight because that had me really concerned after the Nakatani fight. Right, and I agree that it is about timing, I feel like Haney can beat Campbell now but I'm not sure if Lopez can beat Commey. Hopefully, for the sake of matchups, Lopez looks great versus Commey and it makes the fight versus Lomachenko more intriguing.
Mon, 2019-11-11 16:50
Why did it concern you? That was just after he hired a new nutritionist, he might just be arrogant, embarrassed he couldn't blast through Nakatani and keep people fooled into thinking he is a threat to Lomachenko, but maybe there were problems in camp, his dad is not an experienced or established trainer. We disagree on how good Campbell is, we had a long discussion, but it's interesting that I gave him 2 rounds against Lomachenko, you gave him 4, and it's you who favours a 20 year old prospect against him, Haney seems to be the business, is obviously more experienced than his age suggests, just went 12 rpunds for the first time, but he doesn't have the pedigree of Campbell, nowhere near. I might have asked you this before, I know you thought Lopez was better 6 months ago, but what about now?, I know you think Commey is better than Campbell, another thing we wil have to disagree on. I'm not rooting for Lopez, there are other fights for Lomachenko, but if he proves me wrong and beats Commey, that definitely builds the fight. I don't think we disagree on Haney, Lopez or Commey in terms of calibre and how good they are, but we have a different idea of how much preparation a prospect needs before they can beat a certain level of opponent.
I haven't seen Haney vs Santiago yet, the only comment I've seen from you was the joke about Haney beating Lomachenko easily, what did you make that fight?
Mon, 2019-11-11 17:38
Because of all of the camp/family conflicts (which are one and the same considering his dad is his trainer). It is hard to say, I think Lopez has shown better explosiveness and athleticism but has shown more issues as well. I think Haney is a more known quantity than Lopez but that'll change once Lopez fights Commey.
I thought Haney was good, I think Santiago was better than most gave him credit for and it was a short turn around for Haney. One clear thing I think Haney could improve on from that fight is working on the inside/getting out of clinches, as there were a few times Santiago was able to hold and reset where a more veteran fighter would be able to work the body.
Tue, 2019-11-12 11:19
I heard the rumours, but I wouldn't rule out it being an excuse for the Nakatani fight not being easy. I don't think Lopez has shown better athleticism, both have shown explosiveness, Lopez definitely seems to have the power, Haney is very fast. I think Lopez's chin is questionable, but to be fair, I think he tired against Nakatani after 9 rounds because he hadn't been there before, not because he has bad stamina, and he did well to pick it up in the last round when Nakatani seemed to be finishing stronger. I think Haney has the better reflexes, the better overall boxing skills.
Tue, 2019-11-12 15:33
I think I remember there being some good evidence of it being true but I don't keep stuff like that. Again, I think it is better to wait and see once we get the two step-up fights for these guys, then we will have a better idea of their levels.
Tue, 2019-11-12 15:41
I agree, but I'm just stating my opinion as it is now, it will be proven right or wrong what we are saying now.
Tue, 2019-11-12 16:33
For both you and Salt, have you guys seen the rumors in the last week or so that the reports about Spence escaping nearly unscathed were false and that he may have a long recovery period or may never return? Here are two of the tweets I saw:
I'm not very familiar with Spanish language boxing media obviously but to my knowledge the first guy has credibility. It is curious that no photos or video have come out of Spence, but it could also be them trying to sort out the legal issues and such privately.
Tue, 2019-11-12 16:49
O'Hara recently tweeted that Spence is targeting a March return so who knows:
Wed, 2019-11-13 00:45
'No broken bones I'm a savage', were his words after everyone was concerned for his life, he has been charged with DWI, everyone that has actually visited him doesn't seem worried. It's possible that he sustained an injury that is career threatening but not life threatening, but apart from a few broken teeth and being bashed up, we haven't heard about any injuries, and no broken bones. A bad concussion from the accident is a possible explanation, could have been a head injury he's recovered from has left a permanent vulnerability on the brain, but this is just speculation.
If Spence doesn't fight again, he won't be in the hall of fame, in all liklihood, but he was a unified champion, will be remembered as a very good fighter.
Tue, 2019-11-12 09:32
Haney vs. Fortuna ordered, I know we both were interested in Davis vs. Fortuna but this is good as well. It should be an interesting fight and good step up in opposition for Haney. If it goes to purse bid it should be interesting to see who wins between Matchroom and PBC.
Tue, 2019-11-12 11:04
Yes, but it's disappointing to me as a fan of Campbell. I agree it's a good step up for Haney, and that would be his first fight against a southpaw in at least 3 years, possibly more, he hasn't fought an opponent who is listed as a southpaw on BoxRec, and speaking of ths stance aspect, Ryder is Smith's first southpaw opponent 5 years, which makes that fight more interesting.
Tue, 2019-11-12 15:32
Do you think Campbell is significantly better than Fortuna? I would pick Campbell but I wouldn't be very sure about it.
Tue, 2019-11-12 15:46
I think Campbell would beat him, but Fortuna would give him problems, wouldn't be an easy fight. What I meant was, as a fan of Campbell, I want to see him get a winnable title shot, and a 20 year old Haney is a winnable fight in my opinion as I've said, that's what I meant more than Fortuna not being good enough in his own right, to fight for a world title, and he is a worthy challenger, I thought he got robbed against Easter, it was at least a fight that could have gine either way, he beat Bogere, who is decent, and he made a statement against Cuellar.
Tue, 2019-11-12 15:56
Mon, 2019-11-11 14:43
He's already fought Vargas and lost clearly so I think that may be off. I could see them targeting the WBA route or the WBA regular lol. I think they upgraded Roman to Super recently and both Roman and his mandatory Akhmadaliev fight on DAZN.
I'll get back to you after the Commey fight on that one? Personally, I don't see a very interesting future ahead for Lomachenko, especially if he does drop back down to 130 as he has said.
He can present an interesting style matchup if he performs at his peak level but I don't think he is as skilled in a pound for pound sense.
Perhaps but it is hard to say. If the big fights aren't there I don't think he will. That's part of the issue, I can't think of anyone else that is going to be ready in a reasonable timeframe for that level of fight, but there are some good prospects at and around Middleweight that are in the early stages of their career right now.
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