Oleksandr Gvozdyk vs Artur Beterbiev

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Oleksandr Gvozdyk vs Artur Beterbiev
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Date: 
Friday, October 18, 2019
Location: 
Liacouras Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
175
Titles at Stake: 
WBC (Gvozdyk's 2nd defence), IBF (Beterbiev's 3rd defence) Light Heavyweight World Titles
Referee: 
Gary Rosato

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IBF light heavyweight champion, Artur Beterbiev, defeats WBC champion, Oleksandr Gvozdyk, to unify the belts. Beterbiev stops Gvozdyk in round 10.

Gvozdyk was knocked down 3 times in round 10.

At the time of the stoppage, the fight was close, as expected. The judges disagreed amongst each other, two judges had Gvozdyk ahead, 86-85 and 87-84, while the other had Beterbiev ahead, 87-83.

Beterbiev was initially credited with a knockdown in round 1. However, the Pennsylvania athletic commission reviewed the matter between rounds and the decision was reversed.




Fan Cards: Oleksandr Gvozdyk vs Artur Beterbiev


scorecard by PHILLYPHAN69
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by DIEGOYEYE
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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84
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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87


scorecard by PETIEROACH
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by POWERPUNCHER999
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by MCPHILLY84
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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86
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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85


scorecard by GOOSU
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by JUPITER82
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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84
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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87


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by ONLY1
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by ABURIUS
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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86
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by LGWISEMAN
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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84
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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87


scorecard by STINGEV98
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by NF82
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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83
ARTUR BETERBIEV
9
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87


scorecard by LUKASZRPB
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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84
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by ALBERTOCASTANY
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by GUY INCOGNITO
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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86
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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85


scorecard by THE_SUN_ARCANA
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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83
ARTUR BETERBIEV
9
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87


scorecard by MINIMAXBOXING
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by BRAIN79
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by GOLD
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by AJ KNIGHT
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by THEUNDEFEATED
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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86


scorecard by MATCHROOM
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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86
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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85


scorecard by JAROD KILLIAN
Round
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
9
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85
ARTUR BETERBIEV
10
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86


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
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OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK
10
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86
ARTUR BETERBIEV
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85


Comments

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Both were very good amateurs, Beterbiev fought Usyk, beat Hunter, Dorticos, Mchunu, is a 2-time Olympian, didn't win a medal, but he got to the top 16, he also fought in at least 5 other world tournaments. Gvozdyk fought in the Olympics and 2 other world tournaments, doesn't have as much amateur pedigree as Beterbiev, but he won an Olympic bronze medal in 2012, so he was the more successful Olympian, he also had 9 WSB fights. Neither fighter has had a lot of pro fights, but given their amateur background, they've had enough fights to be experienced overall.

Beterbiev has 100% KOs, he stopped Tavoris Cloud a lot earlier than Stevenson, stopped Prieto, who Eleider Alvarez couldn't stop, in 1 round. Gvozdyk has won all but 3 of his fights by KO, he stopped Yunieski Gonzalez, who almost beat Jean Pascal, in 3 rounds, stopped Chilemba and beat him better than Kovalev or Bivol did. I don't think there is much in in it, but I think Beterbiev hits harder than Gvozdyk, and Gvozdyk's right hand is his power hand, whereas Beterbiev has top level power in both hands.

Both fighters have been down, Beterbiev twice, Gvozdyk once, he was hurt against Stevenson, but Stevenson was a top puncher, and against the rest of the opponents between them, Beterbiev has been down twice, Gvozdyk only once, so I think although both can be hurt, Gvozdyk has a better chin than Beterbiev.

As well as having the better resume, Gvozdyk has more experience over a longer distance. Beterbiev is a very aggressive fighter, starts fast, I don't think Gvozdyk starts as fast in fights as Beterbiev, he was down in the 1st round, Stevenson got off to a good start, he took time to get going against Baker. It's possible Beterbiev will do better in the first half, but Gvozdyk will do better in the second half, for these reasons.

However, Beterbiev applies educated pressure, he lets the opponent move, drain the legs, cuts off the ring, and when he's in range, he lets the shots go, doesn't load up, doesn't need to, but every shot has power, he mixes it up from head to body very well, gets the shots around the guard. If Beterbiev is able to walk Gvozdyk down early, and Gvozdyk doesn't make him back off by discouraging him, then Beterbiev can work the body, that will take a toll later in the fight, slow down Gvozdyk's movement, make him have to fight Beterbiev's fight.

I think Gvozdyk is the fundamentally better, is defensively better, doesn't make many mistakes, harder to counter than Beterbiev. Both fighters have great footwork, know how to use their feet, but Gvozdyk has faster feet, uses the ring better than Beterbiev. Neither fighter is one dimensional, but I think Gvozdyk has the better skilset overall.

Beterbiev is offensively brilliant, very heavy handed, has great power in both hands, he's a pressure fighter, more aggressive than Gvozdyk. I think Beterbiev is the better body puncher, is better at breaking down an opponent, he might have the better variety overall, and I think he is the better all round offensive fighter.

Gvozdyk's win over Stevenson is by far the best win between them, and he is not only more proven than Beterbiev, but he has that experience of fighting an opponent of the calibre of Stevenson, which Beterbiev doesn't have, that alone might make him a slight favourite, but he may win this not just because of the credibility the Stevenson win gives him but because he is the more complete boxer.

I think both fighters will be hurt, both will go down at least once, but I think Beterbiev wins this, I'm not confident in that prediction, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the better defensive, more compact fighter, and the better counter puncher, won the fight, but I think Beterbiev wins because he is more versatile, hits harder, has the higher volume, and I think he'll do more damage.

I think at times, Gvozdyk will make Beterbiev look limited, and when Beterbiev goes on the attack, he will get countered, and hurt, but I don't think Gvozdyk will be able to finish him, and once Beterbiev has recovered, I think he will be able to make it more and more his fight, Gvozdyk's feet will slow down, Beterbiev will break him down, and he will stop him late.

TheUndefeated's picture

Nice prediction Champ

I think this is going to be a close fight and will go the judges route and won't be a UD. I have a hunch that Beterbiev will pull thru and get the win on points. Needless to say, I have high hopes for this fight. I think it's going to be a great fight.

MINIMaxBOXING's picture

Gvozdyk TKO 10.
I think he'll get dropped early tho.

I think exactly the same. Beterbiev will hurt him bad early with an overhand right counter over Gvozdyks jab. But Gvozdyk will adapt and recover, slowly start to break Beterbiev down.

I was off on the outcome I thought Beterbiev would win on points but I just felt it. He already had bested Gvozdyk in the amateur. When I get a hunch, I bet on it.

MINIMaxBOXING's picture

The opposite of what I predicted lol!

Guy Incognito's picture

Gvozdyk wins either late stoppage or close decision. Both are dangerous punchers, and both seem to have dodgy chins at times. I am not entirely convinced by the toughness of either fighter. I think Gvozdyk has an edge in terms of speed, endurance and boxing IQ. All it takes is one shot from either fighter to turn things around. I expect fireworks, and it should be a good and entertaining fight.

The_Sun_Arcana's picture

People are REALLY sleeping on Beterbiev. So...I'm going with Beterbiev inside 6.

Guy Incognito's picture

It could happen. All it takes is one perfectly timed and perfectly landed shot. But I highly doubt that it will happen.

The_Sun_Arcana's picture

What I doubt is that Gvozdyk can outbox Beterbiev 12 rounds without being nailed to the ground. People often say that Beterbiev was floored by Johnson, and that's true, but people forget that Gvozdyk was floored by Karpency, who more or less has the same height-reach that Beterbiev, but Beterbiev it's a lot more stronger. What I mean is, people it's really thinking that Gvozdyk it's gonna school Beterbiev or something. That's just silly.

Guy Incognito's picture

I respect your opinion. And you're not alone in thinking Beterbiev will win. The latest issue of the Boxing News magazine agrees with you. They think Beterbiev will win a decision.

The_Sun_Arcana's picture

Neat. It's just kinda annoying the noise about Gvozdyk when this is one the very few fights that's truly a 50-50 or close.

Guy Incognito's picture

Very good point.

Champion97's picture

People definitely exaggerate and make slight favourites heavy favourites when they shouldn't be. It is worth noting that Beterbiev was also down against Page, but as you said, Gvozdyk was down and hurt against Karpency, so he has to be wary of Beterbiev's power as well as vice verse. I agree it's silly, Gvozdyk will be the slight favourite because of the Stevenson win, which is very understandable, but Beterbiev has a good chance, has the amateur pedigree, has been impressive as a professional overall, and I think this a 50/50 fight.

I think Beterbiev wins, 50-55% sure, I know I'm in the minority, but I think Beterbiev is more versatile, is the better offensive fighter, is a great inside fighter, has great variety, output, power, and I think he has enough skill, he isn't the best defensive fighter, but I think he'll be defensively better in this fight than in any of his other fights, he uses pivots, Beterbiev, and can cut off the ring very well.

It's plausible that Gvozdyk wins a clear UD, hard to see him schooling Beterbiev, but this is a very unpredictable fight, and Gvozdyk is a fundamentally good boxer, counter puncher, and Beterbiev does have slow feet, I think Gvozdyk will out box Beterbiev in the early rounds, I think both fighters will be hurt in this fight at least once.

The_Sun_Arcana's picture

I agree. It's a tough fight for both. One of the reasons why I favor Beterbiev it's because he's the only man able to knockdown Usyk. Also, although Usyk won both fights, the second (and some say the first too) was really close and could have gone for Beterbiev, which I agree. I think Usyk has some of the qualities of Gvozdyk, but better, and of course, he has his own. But even that, against Beterbiev that didn't work out like usually. Also, Beterbiev might have been down before, but when he's focused, he's a damn bull and can be really tough.

Champion97's picture

I didn't know he knocked down Usyk as an amateur, that's worth taking into consideration. Both of them can, both got up to stop their opponent when they were dropped, but I think the versatility of Beterbiev is the difference, I think he will do more damage, and I think he'll stop Gvozdyk. One thing I just realised is that Beterbiev got up off the deck to stop his opponent 1-2 rounds after he was dropped, it took Gvozdyk 5 rounds to stop Karpency after getting up, then again, he did stop Stevenson a couple of rounds after he was hurt, but Stevenson stopped Karpency in 3 rounds, Karpency isn't the most durable, so that suggests Gvozdyk takes longer to recover mentally and get the confidence and aggression back after being dropped than Beterbiev does.

You should join the prediction competition.

The_Sun_Arcana's picture

That's a nice point. Maybe I'll do it.

Chris M95's picture

Gvosdyk late stoppage for me

The_Sun_Arcana's picture

Beterbiev is a FUCKING ANIMAL. I have him in my top 10 pound x pound. I KNEW a lot of people was sleeping on him, but I was impressed by Gvozdyk heart. Props to both guys. Now, Beterbiev is the unified champion AND the strongest 175 on the world.

Guy Incognito's picture

Wow! Beterbiev impressed me! What a fight, and what a finish! I stand corrected.

Beterbiev is #1 at Light Heavyweight, period!

Champion97's picture

I haven't seen the fight, but I don't think you can write off Bivol.

I don't think Bivol is strong enough to keep Beterbiev at bay

Champion97's picture

Possibly not, and Beterbiev deserves the number 1 ranking, but I don't think he is 100% the best in the division, and would be although a rightful favourite, not a heavy favourite against Bivol or the winner of Kovalev vs Canelo.

Canelo would get send to the hospital. He would never fight Beterbiev and you and I know it. Let's be honest here

Champion97's picture

He's a lot better than Beterbiev in my opinion, I agree the difference in calibre is less than the size difference, and Beterbiev might be too high risk, low reward for Canelo, but if people who think this is De La Hoya vs Pacquiao II are proven right, you can't write him off, let's see if he beats Kovalev, if he takes Kovalev's power, doesn't get over powered too easily, then you'd have to at least give him a chance against Beterbiev, but it's highly likely the Kovalev fight will be very tough, and he is too small to beat Beterbiev, I agree he wouldn't fight Beterbiev if Kovalev hurts him and he has to take a beating on his way to victory and certainly not if he loses. How highly do you rate Kovalev? Because you said if there is no rehydration clause (which there isn't as far as I know), and it is at 175, that you would pick him to win in an instant.

I rate Kovalev very highly, but I realise he is way past his prime. I think in Kovalevs prime he was the best Light Heavyweight in the world.

I still haven't heard anything about a rehydration clause. So I can't make a prediction yet. One thing to notice is that Kov had very little time to rest and recover from the Yarde fight and then prepare for the biggest fight of his career Vs Canelo. That might be detrimental to his stamina and durability.

I read in a Boxingscene article that Canelo is looking to fight smart and not go to war with Kovalev. That was disappointing to read. Because I thought he was going to do that, try to walk Kovalev down. Now I think he will do what he did Vs Golovkin in the first fight. Move alot, land a few flashy combinations and let the judges bail him out. As Kov is the hardest puncher he ever fought and he has to get used to fighting at 175. I also think Kovalevs jab will be peppering him all night. Kov will probably win in most fans eyes, but Canelo gets the decision as usual. But if it was on an even level playing field, yes I would pick Kov. But there is too much corruption surrounding Canelo for me to trust it.

Champion97's picture

Ward beat him twice, proved he was better, so he wasn't the best, but before Ward moved up, I agree he was the best at 175.

How detrimental? Because Gold made a good point when we were discussing, and although I don't agree with fighting twoce a year being simply an invention by promoters, we didn't have an answer for Whitiker fighting De La Hoya 11 weeks after being dropped and hurt by Hurtado, it's 2-3 months, I agree it's too soon and he would be better with more time, but he was able to rest for a few weeks, a 6 week camp is short, but a lot of it depends on where you are at when you start camp.

Why would he try to walk Kovalev down if we agree that dangerous 175s can hurt him like dangerous 160s couldn't?, I think you are holding Canelo to unrealistic standards, I don't think the Golovkin trilogy would be a harder fight than Kovalev at 175, Kovalev is not shot, and old and past prime or not, he is at a big size advantage. No more reason to think the judges will bail him out than in his last two 12 round fights, and tell me a bad card in a Canelo fight since 2017, if Canelo lands more punches than Kovalev, does enough work to out box him, and he wins, you have to give him credit, different story if he makes Kovalev miss but doesn't make him pay though.

I think he'll struggle with the jab, and even though it won't hurt him itself, the jab will be a heavy shot he takes, it is draining to keep walking into a clean, forceful jab, and that jab will allow Kovalev to control the pace more. Let's have no more of that, not unless we see a repeat of a clearly biased card which we haven't seen in 2 years, Golovkin and Jacobs were given fair credit, I think Kovalev will be as well. I still don't understand how anyone can complain about it not being on an even level playing field when Canelo is jumping up 2 weights, judges favouring Canelo, possible rehydration clauses, too soon for Kovalev, all valid points, but still speculation and just potential problems for Kovalev, the size is a definite advantage for Kovalev. There has been corruption in the past, but there is no corruption around Canelo based on the last 2 years, do you disagree on that?

I definitely disagree with that. Canelo failed 2 PED tests and got a slap on the wrist. If Golovkin failed those tests he would have been crucified. He is a very protected fighter. If Kov gets robbed here don't be surprised. When has Canelo ever not gotten the benefit of the doubt? He clearly lost to GGG 1st fight, got clearly biased cards. Also Vs Lara, Trout, Cotto, Mayweather you had some ridiculous cards. That wasnt really noticeable in the Jacobs fight because they got so much criticism for it. This time, they will have to do it if Kov is winning. They ain't letting him get away, Kovalev..with the win. I don't think so. Why? Because if Kovalev loses he fights on DAZN. Thats very strange. Wouldn't you want to have him on DAZN if he beats your guy instead of loses?

And what I said about Walking Kov down I meant what he tried to do Vs GGG in the 2nd fight. Try and snatch his body. I thought Canelo would be arrogant enough to try that. But he knows that's too much of a risk Vs a hard puncher like Kovalev.

So yes, I think he survives the full 12 and probably gets the decision. Canelo, that is. You don't have to agree, but that's what I think will happen if Canelo moves around the ring. If he would have made it a war, I would have picked Kov. Now I'm picking a robbery. Sorry if you don't like to hear it. But I'm not going to change my opinion on the guy. He screams corruption

And I also disagree with you in that Ward fight, I had Kovalev winning the first fight. Ward had to make it dirty to compete. Kovalev was the better boxer in that fight. 2nd fight was disgusting to watch, Weeks did a horrible job.

Champion97's picture

If Golovkin failed a test, would you not have bought the tainted meat exucse and given him a pass? He's advised well, avoided Golovkin until 2017, but Canelo still gets in the ring against Golovkins, Kovalevs, wins, nobody took Golovkin's power for him.

I'd be less surprised if it was a repeat of the Golovkin rematch, close fight and biased people cry robbery. 7-8 rounds against Jacobs, 6-7 rounds against Golovkin II, can't complain about that. If Kovalev is winning, hopefully he will get scored ahead, and I think he will be based on Canelo's last 2-3 fights. There is more money to be made if Canelo wins it, I understand that, but it's all just theories, the only difference between our arguments is that I'm talking about the last 2 years.

Why would he do that when we agree he would get hurt against Beterbiev and Kovalev? Can Canelo earn your respect without going on a mission to lose?, to hold him to fighting a 175 puncher like he fought a puncher in his own weight class is ridiculous. Canelo is a smart fighter, I'd be shocked if he didn't respect Kovalev's power, so I agree he won't just walk forward with the mentality he had against Golovkin, but that is only grounds for criticism if he abandons his offence and goes on a survival mission.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing, what I'm saying is, you don't complain if he out boxes Kovalev, complain about a purely defensive fight with no offence to back it up? Fair enough, but it depends on whether he lands enough punches.

I'm not telling you to change your opinion on Canelo, you don't have to like him, but you can't deny you are biased, not ridiculously biased, but biased to some extent. The only things I don't like to hear are things you can't back up, if we go back 2 years, I would agree on the corruption, but your corruption theory can only be based on scorecards from 2 or more years ago, I think you hold Canelo to unrealistic standards, and give him too little credit, that's my opinion.

Kovalev wins a war but Kovalev gets robbed if Canelo doesn't go to war? You're just putting stock in the judges always being pro Canelo even though they haven't been since 2017. You will complain if Canelo is on a survuval mission, I'll also complain, I'd agree with you in that scenario, but what if Canelo does lands enough pucnhes to out box Kovalev? To pick a robbery just seems like you are preparing an excuse. Here's the question to clear up any confusion, can Canelo out box Kovalev? Or do you believe he can only go 12 if he abandons his offence and goes on a survival mission? Key question.

Couldn't disagree more, first fight was close, but HBO got in people's heads if you ask me. Very strongly disagree. If you watch the second fight, the right hand is what knocks it out of Kovalev, he was mentally beaten, I think he wanted to quit, not saying he did quit or would have done, but those body shots did far more damage than the low blows, the low blows were unintentional in all liklihood, Kovalev was bent over, wasn't in a position to defend himself, Ward was aiming for the body. Kovalev, in both Ward fights, gassed after 6 rounds. Kovalev wasn't the better boxer the second time in my opinion, Ward was the better counter puncher even if Kovalev did land the jab often. You are entitled to your own opinion if you believe what you say and aren't biased, but we couldn't disagree more on Kovalev vs Ward.

Also, about Kovalev, and I'm not telling you not to support him, I also enjoyed seeing Browne get decked and beat, but you don't like Browne because he's hit women? Kovalev has been charged with the same thing, what I take from that is, don't go against your own boxing knowledge just to be loyall to Kovalev.

I can't say I'm not biased, I am. I'm a big Kovalev fan, I love his fighting style. I don't like Browne because he is a dirty fighter. Not because he allegedly beat women.

And no if Golovkin failed 2 tests he would have just been a cheater like Canelo, nothing else.
I think Canelo fought more to go 12 rounds than to win Vs Golovkin in the first fight and I think he will do the same here. In the rematch of course it was different, could have gone either way.

If he genuinely outboxes Kovalev and clearly wins that's impressive. And yes what I'm talking about is a mostly defensive fight where he tries to land a few flashy combinations to try and steal the round. That's what i mean. I won't really respect that.

Do you really think Kov gets a fair shake on the scorecards? It's a bit silly to think that imo. Boxing is very corrupt. Having Kovalev beat Canelo makes no sense and would cost them alot of money. Kov is on his way out and he has never had a huge fanbase behind him. He was used to make Ward a star and it didn't work out. I think Canelo only has to win about 4 rounds to get a decision. Of course if Kovalev schools him 12-0 it would be a bit too obvious, but yeah it doesn't seem like it will be fair.
Because of course Canelo is able to steal some rounds, even if he is just looking to go 12. Land a few flashy combo's and that's it, judges will have it 10-9 Canelo. That's what I think.

"can Canelo out box Kovalev? Or do you believe he can only go 12 if he abandons his offence and goes on a survival mission?"
Outbox him clearly? I doubt it. But he could win legitimately like a 7-5 fight. Remains to be seen. Canelo is a tough guy, he has a great chin. I'm not sure how he handles Kovalevs punches. He can go 12 even if he makes it a real fight, but it would be very damaging to him.

I think Yarde did more damage than Ward did to Kovalev. And look at how Kovalev came back. It was a horrible stoppage, stopped on lowblows. Malignaggi called it one of the weirdest stoppages he has ever seen and I agree with him. Saying he wanted to quit is based on nothing. Of course his body language is bad when he gets hit below the belt. That freaking hurts. Kov got up from 3 KDs Vs Alvarez, he didn't quit when Yarde almost knocked him out. He came back and won the Alvarez rematch, he came back and KOd Yarde. He wasn't given that opportunity Vs Ward. He has alot of heart. Saying he wanted to quit is bad taste imo. Nevermind Kov's trainer was against him in that fight.

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Respect that pal, good to see honesty. Ok, people let their views on who boxers are as people get in the way too often.

I don't agree because his defence was brilliant, he out boxed Golovkin for the first 2-3 rounds, came back and rallied, tried to knock Golovkin out in the last 2-3 rounds, he just didn't throw enough punches to win the fight, because Golovkin bullied and outworked him, was more or less all Golovkin in rounds 4-9, and although I thought it was a close fight, almost even for power punches landed, Golovkin's jab won him rounds when he couldn't land power shots, and Canelo wasn't throwing them. We will see, it's an interesting fight, I think Canelo will find a balance between going to war with the most dangerous opponent of his career, and being purely defensive. Canelo should go to the body, he can hurt Kovalev to the body, obviously, but the question is, can he get to the body?, or will he be too wary of the power and will he not get past Kovalev's jab?

That's a skill in itself, is that not what Fury did in round 1 of the Wilder fight and probably some other rounds?

Why is it silly to think something that has happened in the last 2 instances will happen again?, I could just as easily say it's silly to think Kovalev will get robbed because of one bad card in 2017 and some bad cards before that. Golovkin got a fair shake in 2018, Jacobs wasn't robbed of rounds, why is it 99% guaranteed Kovalev will get robbed? Because he isn't a DAZN fighter? Golovkin hadn't signed the deal in the Canelo rematch, so I don't think that's why Canelo hasn't got any generous cards since 2017.

Kovalev's a popular fighter, if Canelo loses, rematch, that's the answer for them, Kovalev has to rematch Canelo if he wins, not vice verse for Canelo, he has had a few one way rematch clauses in the past, Canelo, might not be fair, but it doesn't mean they will pay judges to rob Kovalev. Ward was ranked pound for pound best by many after he beat Kovalev. I hope that isn't the case, I don't think it is, I think Canelo is more likely to get it if it could go either way, but I think Canelo needs to win a possible 7 rounds to get the decision, based on what? The Golovkin rematch, the Jacobs fight. Let's see who's right, hopefully Kovalev gets a fair shake. In a round where it is clearly not enough? Because I agree that's not fair, but as I said earlier, that's a skill in itself, nicking rounds when nobody has put a stamp on the rounds, so if a round is up for grabs after 2:50, and Canelo nicks it in the last 10 seconds with a clean combination or two, there's no corruption there.

Ok, but legitimately out box him for 50% of the fight and have a case for the win? Unless a misunderstood, you agreed on that, therefore, Canelo can out box Kovalev. Canelo proved he wasn't risk averse when it comes to damage in the Golovkin rematch, he wasn't defensive the first time because he was scared to get hit but because his game plan was to be negative and box on the back foot, his game plan worked better in the rematch, it was a better fight, he landed more punches, but also took more, and he soaked up Golovkin's power.

I disagree because Ward did damage to head and body, Yarde didn't have the skill to mix it up, doesn't have the variety of Ward, I get it looked like a worse beating, but when Ward stopped Kovalev, Kovalev sat down as the fight was stopped, didn't protest, I'm not reading too much into that, but Kovalev was in a bad way against Ward, was doubled over. If the Ward stoppage was premature, it was Kovalev's fault for almost quitting, failing to defend himself, he was looking at the canvas, can't do that in a fight, Ward broke his will in my opinion, I believe Kovalev now admits he was beaten by the better fighter.

I just told you what it's based on, watch it for yourself, it's there, in front of your eyes, agree, disagree, make your own mind up, but don't say my argument is baseless when I've told you what it's based on, if people can suggest Joshua wanted to quit when he confirmed to the referee he wanted to continue, my argument that Kovalev was mentally beaten and might have been about to quit, based on him looking at the canvas, bent over, defenceless, sitting as the referee stopped it, it valid.

I know what it feels like to get hit in the balls, nothing worse, but the shots didn't seem to hit him in the balls, and it was the right to the head, clean body shots that did the real damage, Kovalev is weak to the body, vodka wrecks havoc on the liver, Kovalev was already mentally done when any low blows landed and the only reason they landed was because he was bent over, I think the low blows were unintentional, why hit a guy low when he is there to be hit, static on the ropes, weak to the body? Makes no sense, it isn't rocket science, Kovalev would rather have been hit on the leg, he was trying to stop the body shots.

I'm not saying Kovalev doesn't have heart, he doesn't lack heart in general, he isn't a Walters, Andre Dirrell, Victor Ortiz, Kash Ali, Duran quit against Leonard, doesn't mean he isn't a warrior, one of the toughest fighters of all time, just because I think Kovalev was mentally beaten and on the verge of quitting against Ward doesn't mean I don't think he is a warrior, I think it's body shots he struggles with mentally, he doesn't have a great chin, but as you just said, he took those beatings and didn't quit.

It isn't in bad taste and the only reason you say that is because you are a big fan of Kovalev, I have made it clear I don't think he lacks heart in general, I haven't called Kovalev a pussy, coward or any shit like that, he took sickening body shots, maybe he wouldn't have quit, but would have taken a knee, spat out the mouthpiece, maybe not, we will never know, but quit or not, Kovalev was done, and I think you know it, he would have got the opportunity of he had made it clear to Weeks he could defend himself and wanted to continue, which he did not.

Jackson was not against Kovalev, to quote him, 'it would have taken fort knox for me to leave my fighter', Kovalev is ungrateful, it is not the trainer's responsibility to sack himself, if Jackson wasn't bringing the best out of him, he should have sacked him, Kovalev apparently under paid Jackson and didn't even pay his Russian trainer. Not sure how true that is, but don't take Kovalev's word for anything he says about Jackson.

I like you champ, but I think we just got to agree to disagree here. I do think the lowblows from Ward were intentional and that's based on his entire career. He has always used lowblows and headbutts as a way to bother his opponents. Just look at the Kessler fight. Listen to what his opponents tell us. They say he is a dirty fighter. He blatantly lowblowed Kovalev, Barrera and tons of other fighters. Froch and Kovalev told us, although some might argue that they are bitter. There is alot of truth to it. He even admits to being dirty while commentating on fights. Saying "I would have hit him there" when the ref yelled "break" in a fight and stuff like that. I have seen lots of boxing fans who don't even care about Kovalev, agree with me on this point. Malignaggi is very unbiased when it comes to Kovalev and Ward, he called the stoppage disgraceful.

I think it's a very weak argument to say that because people said AJ quit you can say Kovalev looked to quit. Makes no sense to me. I thought neither fighter quit, because 1 said he wanted to fight on and the other fight was controversially stopped (that's undeniable). Alot of people didn't agree with that stoppage, if I dare say most.

You're making alot of assumptions about Kovalev. Saying he was already mentally beaten, was done and that he would have rather got hit in the leg? Those are not facts my friend. Fact is that the fight got stopped on lowblows. And the other fights I pointed out shows he isn't done when he looks like that, he just wasn't given the opportunity to prove it Vs Ward. That's a false narrative HBO painted.
Kov still maintains that Ward never beat him cleanly and I agree with that. You can agree to disagree. I got nothing to say about the Alvarez loss? You know why? Because there wasn't any controversy. He did the job how it was supposed to be done. He knocked Kovalev out and Kov never complained about that did he? The proof is in the pudding.
Didn't Jackson go to wards team and tell them weaknesses about Kovalev? I know for sure there was a rat in the camp. And Kov has also mentioned that he was drinking from a different water bottle than the one they initially prepared and it made him feel funny...very strange and suspicious.

Now moving on...Canelo Vs Kovalev is an interesting fight. If I think Canelo legitimately beat him i will give him alot of credit even though I don't really like him anymore. I started disliking him after he failed those drug tests. He is one of the best guys in the sport, clean or not.

"Ok, but legitimately out box him for 50% of the fight and have a case for the win? Unless a misunderstood, you agreed on that, therefore, Canelo can out box Kovalev."
Outbox Kovalev, that's a big word. No I don't think so. Imo, Kovalev has never been outboxed by anyone. But he can edge it out on the scorecards legitimately, I wouldn't use the word outbox. Like I also didn't think Beterbiev outboxed Gvozdyk, but I had him ahead on the cards. But if you ask me if I think Canelo can actually win on the scorecards without corruption the answer would be yes.
Like you said, we will have to wait and see. I'm atleast excited for it. I'm just afraid Kov is going to get screwed again.

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Let's agree to disagree. If that's based on opponents aside from Froch, fair enough, but Froch is bitter, has to be said. I don't think being a dirty fighter is too immoral, pushing, shoving, if you can get away with it, it's a fight, some fighters use fouls to get their opppnents in position, Klitschko did it, Mayweather used the elbow, Hopkins was dirty, we are not talking about malicious tactics either, unless you think Ward was malicious, which I don't. I agree that if fighters are guilty of fouls, they have to accept a point deduction, I will say that, that's the deal, call for a point deduction, but don't hold rough house tactics against a fighter.

As far as I'm concerned, it is simply wrong to say Joshua quit, because the referee decided the fight was stopped, not Joshua, he asked if he wanted to continue, he didn't say, 'I want to continue but', he didn't say, 'I don't want to quit', and he didn't do what Brook, Davies did, and blank the referee, shake his head at his corner, he gave the referee a straight answer, there is no more grounds to say Joshua quit against Ruiz than Kovalev against Ward, neither actually quit, neither stopped the fight or said they wanted it stopped, the referee stopped it both fights, but both's body language suggested they were mentally beaten and didn't want to continue, don't prove that was the case, but based on their reactions, I think although Joshua was concussed, Kovalev was the more likely to quit, he sat down as the fight was stopped, Joshua protested, not a lot to go on, but don't get overly defensive about Kovalev just because you are a fan of his, I've given a valid explanation, and it is baseless to say it's in bad taste to say Kovalev wanted to quit and it's fine to say Joshua did quit.

It was a controversial stoppage because he hadn't been down, hadn't taken a lot of punches, hadn't been in trouble for a long period of time, but that doesn't prove he didn't want to quit, but think about what I've said, it makes sense, you disagree he wanted to quit, only Kovalev knows that. I know, that's a valid point, but I think Kovalev was about to take a knee, and Kovalev is 6 round fighter, maybe more of an 8 round fighter now, stamina can be built and improved if you do it right, Kovalev stopped Yarde in 11, but I think Yarde's tank was fully empty. What I'm getting at is, whether Kovalev wanted to quit or didn't, it is hard to argue that was going to be anything other than a Ward win, you don't have to agree with him, but you ventured Paulie's opinion, well Paulie also said Ward was on his way to winning, and said the referee robbed both fighters.

It's an opinion that I can back up, let's not go round in circles, agree or disagree, but answer my explanation for my opinion, Kovalev was doubled over, he went against the moto 'protect yourself at all times', he was looking at the canvas, went into no man's land, and as the referee stopped it, he sat down, looked like he was feeling sorry for himself, maybe I misinterpreted it, but the signs were there, whether you agree they mean he was mentally beaten or not.

They're not facts, neither is Kovalev not wanting to quit, neither of us can state facts for our arguments, because only Kovalev will ever know the truth. Do you believe Kovalev, the fighter who is known for being weak to the body, who puts away the vodka (that's relevant because it damages the liver and makes you more vulnerable to body shots) would rather have taken another sickening body shot than a shot to the leg?

That is not a fact my friend, the fight was not stopped on lowblows, the fight was stopped on Kovalev's inability to defend himself, he was not focused on the fight, the right hand to the head, the clean body shots, they are what I'm 90% certain did the real damage, and it is almost certain that those shots were what made Weeks look out for Kovalev, and it was Kovalev's reaction which prompted him to stop the fight. Against Alvarez, Yarde, Kovalev was not bent over like that, looking like he was feeling sorry for himself, that's the difference, he took worse beatings in those fights, but he didn't take his eyes off his opponent in those fights, didn't look like he wanted to quit, I think body shots are the difference. Does he? Because I remember coming across a video with a title that suggested otherwise. I think the Alvarez fight was stopped a punch too late, but Kovalev didn't wind up in the ICU, so I can't complain. Controversy is about the consensus differing from the thing that is controversial, but the majority is not always right, more often than not, but not always, I stand by my opinion, I'm happy to agree to disagree. There are many ways of looking at it, Ward, Weeks, Kovalev can all be blamed based on what you believe, did Ward do the most damage with low blows and win with dirty fighting?, did Weeks rob one of the fighters of a win and stop it too early?, or am I right?, and did Kovalev set Ward up as a dirty fighter by doubling over and causing Ward to hit him low?, did Kovalev prompt the referee to stop it by showing signs of a mentally beaten fighter? We will never know, but you know what I think.

90% sure that's bullshit. How do you know there was a rat in the camp? That is strange, but it's doesn't prove Jackson was against him, what's the theory behind that? Set him to fail a test?, could just as easily be Kovalev making stuff up and blaming Jackson for his own shortcomings, because Kovalev was not easy to coach, Jackson said he wasn't easy, but even though Ward's team made him an offer, I quoted what he said about it taking fort knox. I wouldn't take Kovalev's word for anything.

Can't ask for any more than that, it's the way it is, I don't like Fury but I have to give him credit for what he achieved in the Wilder fight, have to be honest and say the same thing I said when I was a fan of his and before I lost respect for him as a person, and that is that he had the talent to be the best boxer in the world, box rings around Joshua, Wilder, prime Klitschko, easy. Do you start disliking every boxer who fails a test? Because a lot of fighters fail tests, I wouldn't put faith in any fighter for being clean.

That statement applies whether he out boxes him from start to finish and wins a shut out, or out boxes him for 50% of the fight and scrapes an SD, you said he can edge it out on the cards legitimately, that's good enough for me, and I can see why you think it does Kovalev a disservice to say he will be out boxed, but Saunders out boxed Lee, Groves out boxed DeGale, those were close fights, if you win and out boxing your opponent even if not for long, is the crucial difference, you out boxed him. I think Ward out boxed Kovalev at times in the first fight, he judged the distance, Kovalev couldn't hit him clean and get his shots off, when Ward timed the counter right over the jab, he out boxed him, I wouldn't say he out boxed him all in all, because out hustling Kovalev on the inside was also part of his plan, but Kovalev getting out boxed wouldn't be the most shocking thing even though he is very good on the outside, then again, even for Canelo, out boxing Kovalev will not be easy, he would do well to out box him for enough rounds to win the fight.

I'm not saying being ahead on the cards means you are out boxing an opponent, I don't think Kovalev out boxed Hopkins, he bullied him, made Hopkins feel the power early, and Hopkins couldn't let the shots go, had no success, but he didn't out box Hopkins in my opinion.

Hopefully we see a great, fair fight.

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But Bivol may be able to outbox Beterbiev.

I'll agree with you on this one. I would pick Bivol to edge Beterbiev out on points if this fight where to take place.

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What about Kovalev and Bivol? While he should be ranked #1, he could still be defeated by them.

MattDixon's picture

Perfect prediction matey

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Cheers pal, I've made my share of faulty predictions, been well off the mark, but it's always good when you get it right.

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Beterbiev was brilliant, knew what Gvozdyk's weaknesses were, was patient, knew he could break him. Gvozdyk boxed very well at times, frustrated Beterbiev, but not to the extent that Beterbiev got desperate and started walking onto counters, he couldn't hurt Beterbiev, which surprised me because Beterbiev has been down twice in 14 fights, but whenever they landed simultaneous right hands, it was always Gvozdyk who came off worse.

I think Beterbiev has a good chin, Gvozdyk does not, and he didn't take the body shots well, I think he was mentally broken in rounds 9 and 10, had no confidence left, and it was disappointing from him, Atlas tried to motivate Gvozdyk, but he didn't tell him what to do. Gvozdyk took a time out in round 9, Beterbiev hurt him with a jab to the body, and I think Beterbiev assumed the referee had called break without him hearing, which is why he let Gvozdyk take a breather, but had he known the referee didn't call for a break, he would have stopped Gvozdyk at that stage, and that was a very bad sign for Gvozdyk, worst thing you can do when hurt is make it clear to your opponent, panic, and try to take a time out.

I think Beterbiev is the best at 175, he is very heavy handed, does damage with the jab, he is an ambush fighter, is deceptive, looks basic when he comes forward, he isn't fast, but he waits to get into range, brings the guard down, applies consistent pressure, break down to his opponent to head and body. Beterbiev was a brilliant amateur, and his style is transitioning very well to the professionals. I don't think Beterbiev vs Bivol will happen because I think Bivol will move down, but I think Beterbiev would beat Bivol.