I've explained this before but I'll explain it again. Canelo is better now, not because of the weight, but because he has improved as a fighter, aside from weight, fighters can do well a weight or two above their natural weight, why do you think we rarely see a 5 weight world champion? There is only so much you can do about natural size, however, you can build into the division above you and be strong at that weight, doesn't mean it is your natural weight, otherwise there would be no 2 weight world champions who weren't weaker at a certain weight than another, look at Lomachencko, he is strong at lightweight, has the athleticism, he has said a few times that he is a natural super featherweight, but because he has done the weight right, he can do well at 135, he could probably do well at 140 if he had enough time, but he will never be strong at 147, just like Canelo, a natural 154lb fighter, is strong at 160, could maybe even build himself into 168, but he is not a natural middleweight, and he will never be strong at light heavyweight.
Re: Let's just call it how it is: Canelo is only fighting... For NF
Canelo was originally fighting at WW, then made his championship career at 154. He's now a "natural MW", but was indeed a natural SWW during the majority of his career. He'll never be a natural SMW or LHW, no matter if he fights for titles at those weights, the same way Manny and Floyd weren't natural WW or SWW, in spite of fighting for titles at those weights. This is a ridiculous argument against him fighting Kovalev, and I'm not a Canelo fan. Kovalev will be the one with the title, and in spite of Canelo being the A-side, he won't be able to make Kovalev fight at a catch for that title.
Is he though? He hasn’t had the number of defenses at 160 compared to 154, and at least 2 of his fights as a full MW, ones where he won titles, have been highly controversial decisions, and he’s barely defended those belts and even let 2 get dropped...
If he was struggling, it was because he carries a lot of muscle, but I will say this one last time, he fought Smith at 154 after he fought Khan and Cotto at 155, and he was not weight drained in the Smith fight, hadn't cut much if any muscle either, just water. You are what you are, Canelo wasn't at his natural size as a kid, so that is irrelevant. He is not necessarily faster, he is stronger, but his stamina isn't necessarily better, fighters, if they do it right, take the time, can carry power and stamina up as they build muscle, but usually one one or two weights above their natural weight class, a natural light middleweight, if they do the weight right, don't rush it, can put on muscle, adapt to their own weight and the power and stamina back, and get used to fighting middleweights, that's what we've seen from Canelo in the last 2 years, he is big enough to be strong at middleweight, but his natural weight class is light middleweight, and one thing is 99% for certain, Alvarez is naturally too small to build all that muscle and be strong at 175, without killig his stamina and agility, and you can build all the muscle you want, it doesn't give you punch power.
'has considers himself too week(not strong enought) for midleweight so he did all the catcweight that he could', right, so what does that tell you? He has the bottle to fight a heavy handed light heavyweight, so why not fighting at 160 rather than messing around with 155 and 154 if that was his natural weight? He is strong at 160, fast, sharp, because he has built into the division, and he has been able to do that because 154 ans 160 are only 6 lbs, one division apart, but a division you have to build into is not your natural weight.
The reason Canelo couldn't hurt Chavez Jr was because his punching technique wasn't as good as it is now. Vs Rocky Fielding his punching technique was far superior and he could hurt the bigger guy
Come on man, Canelo's punching technique was almost as good then as it is now, Chavez might have been on a survival mission, to be fair, maybe Alvarez could have stopped a more positive Chavez, but size was a big factor there, Chavez was able to soak up Canelo's power for a few reasons, and the main reason is the weight.
no he wasn't he did a lot of cutting
He didn't cut that much if any muscle, what he does is boils himself down to a very low weight and rehydrates, that isn't what Donaire just did against Burnett, he cuts water, not, muscle, if he wanted to cut muscle, if the bigger fights were at 154 than 160-175, I reckon he could get down to 154, he would have to cut muscle, would be very tough, because cutting muscle is a lot harder than building muscle or cutting fat, but Alvarez makes 160 easy, has bulked up.
his natural weight is 165 or something like that
His natural weight is 165? That's ridiculous, his natural weight is 154. Why do you think he hits so much harder at 160 than 168?
no I strongly disagree on this point
you don't have any kind of element to tell that he hit harder at 160 than 168 tell that to fielding lol
I repeat, against Fielding, like Joe Louis said during Liston vs Clay, 'kill the body, and the head will die', he didn't have as much sheer power in that fight. Understand what I'm saying, Canelo has a fair bit of power, couldn't hurt a punching bag in Chavez at all, the weight was the reason he couldn't hurt him and Jacobs also said that, and against Fielding, he didn't have devastating power in that fight, he just has easy access to go to the body, clean, do you understand how much damage you can do to the body?, with that level of accessibility to land clean, when your opponent is static and under pressure, he landed a phenomenal amount of punches, and that right hand to the head that dropped Fielding, read the Joe Louis quote I ventured, your resistance goes when you have been broken down like that, dropped clean twice with sickening body shots, those were 2 long rounds for Fielding, but a lot of sheer punch power is not the only way to stop an opponent, and it definitely isn't how Canelo stopped Fielding.
Good point. Canelo is a bit of a coward.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. No matter how bizarre it is.
No matter how bizzare it is? You're saying a top pound for pound fighter is a coward, your opinion is the one that's bizzare, and based on stupidity, one thing you should understand is that there are no cowards at the top of this sport, if you don't like a fighter, that's fine, but there is no need to be stupid.
What are you talking about?
Didn't you say parker beats chisora nah son
The fight is at 175, no rehydration clause, what's your take on it now?
Canelo is a cherry picker in my humble opinion and the common denominator is Golden Boy.
Mayweather did exactly the same thing for years. Ironically, Mayweather cherry picked Canelo when he was young which was a smart move because Floyd knew he'd have to beat him before he retired, getting him out the way early made for a much easier fight.
Canelo fighting Rocky Fielding was a ridiculous mismatch and Canelo knew it. Yet he got away with it because he was moving up a weight to beat a world champion (one of the worst super middle world champions ever). He clearly didn't want any of GGG but that fight became inevitable for Canelo to remain the cash cow he is. In my opinion, he waited as long as he could for GGG to get that little bit older.
The Kovalev fight is another cherry pick. Don't get me wrong, it's not a fight without risk but it's a clever calculation of the biggest name that's in reality a weak champion. I'm a huge Kovalev fan but what I mean by that is he's clearly ready to be beaten by a younger gun, Canelo has jumped to the front of the queue.
This is one where Canelo is hoping to get a load of credit by moving up 2 divisions, probably breaking some kind of record by doing so if he wins, taking on the biggest puncher blah blah. This is a retirement fight for Kovalev.
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