Keith Thurman vs Manny Pacquiao Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
KEITH THURMAN
8
9
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
112
MANNY PACQUIAO
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
10
9
10
115

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Champion97's picture

Props to you pal, you called Pacquiao by SD, got yourself 6 points, I was wrong on this one. I thought it was an easy fight to score apart from round 8, I thought Pacquiao clearly won, don't see how Thurman won more than 5 rounds.

I was thinking that as they were calling the cards, like if Pacquiao gets this split decision I'll get more points. I thought Pacquiao was winning, pretty convincingly the first 5 rounds. As I was scoring, I felt like I was biased because I really didn't give Thurman much till the 6th, but it seems like a lot of other people gave Pacquiao the first five rounds. What did you think of the fight? Personally the fight of the year for me, Pacquiao and Thurman never put on boring fights. I did feel that Thurman made a lot of mistakes in this fight though, he also had good moments too.

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He won the first 5 rounds on my card as well, he was the aggressor, but he was also the counter puncher in there. No you weren't biased, it seems the 3rd was close, but apart fro, that, it seems we are all in agreement Pacquiao won the first 5 rounds, and also the 10th and 12th, the 8th was a close one as well. Awesome, Thurman showed a lot of heart, relied on his power, didn't get gun shy, but Pacquiao knew he could hurt Thurman. I think Thurman would have won had he had one more fight, one fight is not enough to come back from 2 years out, but had he fought Pacquiao in January, he would have been stopped. Pacquiao's age was a factor in this fight, he was tired in the second half, but he knew to rest when he didn't need to on the attack, Thurman couldn't really set him up, and he still had the fitness and stamina in the late rounds even if he couldn't be relentless like in his prime. I don't think we've seen the last of Thurman, I think he has a great chance in the rematch if that happens, but I think he has at least one year before retirement. I wonder if Pacquiao will fight Ugas next, Ugas is ranked higher with the WBC, but he isn't the mandatory at this stage, and he was very impressive against Figueroa, fought on Pacquiao's undercard in the co-main event which means the the the time would be right.

Like there would be moments where Thurman looked like he was going to win a round, then Pacquiao would do something to win it. He would have a big rally and just start teeing off and Thurman and steal the round from him. I felt like Thurman made some mistakes that could've really cost him if he fought 09 Pacman. Like him backing straight up wasn't the best move, or when he momentarily stopped after that body shot. He was able to get away with it because Pacquiao was gassed. But you can see Thurman retiring soon? I think that would be a shame, he is in his physical prime and fought 3 times in 4 years. I think he'd fight Ugas, but I rather see him fight the Spence/Porter winner. If the Ugas fight happens I'd like to see it in like December. How do you see Pacquiao vs Spence/Porter winner going?

I know you are skeptical of Manny being clean, did you think he was for this fight? I saw some people saying he didn't look clean in this fight.

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100% agree, going back in straight lines is not something you get away with at this level. I think Pacquiao would have stopped this Thurman in his prime, and it would not have been a tough fight, I think Thurman will be better in his next fight if he returns next year. I think he'll return, provided there are no injuries (which you have to consider a possibility unfortunately), he will be better next year, should match or even be better than he was against Porter and Garcia. I wouldn't, because he knows he wouldn't win, he admitted he doesn't want to fight Spence, Spence against a prime Pacquiao would have been a great fight, but Spence, Crawford, they are on a different level to Thurman in my opinion, and Pacquiao might still be able to beat a lot of good fighters, but he knows he can't beat Spence and Crawford. Fairly easy win for Spence, Pacquiao doesn't want the fight. You? Also, how do you rate Thurman now as a fighter compared to the other welterweights? And how do you think Spence vs Thurman would go?

Very unlikely he's clean, he probably is a drug cheat, but at the end of the day, we don't know how many fighters are deug cheats, and whether Pacquiao is clean or takes everything he can get away with, he has still done very well, and he doesn't think he's going to kill anyone, people can get carried away, calling it attempted murder, Pacquiao probably is a drug cheat, but he doesn't want to do serious long term damage, he's never caused a brain injury as far as I know, and I think he's 90% an unclean fighter.

I agree on that, I just don't think Thurman was ever as good as Pacquiao. Honestly, I don't know where Thurman goes from here. He might go on another hiatus, who knows. Pacquiao admitted that he wouldn't fight Spence? I didn't see that. I think Pacquiao would lose to Spence, but Porter is a toss up for me. For Pacquiao, I think he beats everyone but Crawford and Spence. I rate Thurman fairly well, he's still top 5 to me. I had him at top 3 before, but now Pacquiao took that spot. He's probably the fourth best in the division. I think Spence would beat Thurman pretty easily, what do you think?

I know as a whole you don't think he was clean, but what about for this fight? It sucks that we'll never really know whos cheating and whos not for 100 percent certainty now, because just because you pass drug tests doesn't mean youre not cheating.

Also, I just heard about Maxim Dadashev, Rest in peace. Just horrible to hear.

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It depends on whether or not he's injured. Yes, just after the Mikey Garcia fight, he admitted he didn't want that fight, he ducked Crawford as well, he knows he can't win those fights. I think so, I think Porter would edge Pacquiao, but I wouldn't be confident on that one, and like Thurman, Porter would have had a 1% chance against a prime Pacquiao, that's my opinion anyway. After Spence and Crawford, Garcia, Porter, Ugas, Pacquiao, Thurman, hard to rank them. I think so, Crawford and Spence are a threat to each other, but no other welterweight can challenge them a lot, those fighters I listed can give them a few problems in my opinion, but not a lot.

Same as always, if he's doing anything, he'll be less clean, take something new or more likely higher doses, but I don't think he was clean in this fight, maybe he was clean in 2016 and 17, would make sense, but maybe not, I'm not a PED expert, so my opinion doesn't matter that much, but I think he's a drug cheat.

Very, very sad, thoughts and prayers for his family. Very dangerous sport boxing, fighters put their lives on the line when they step in the ring.

Damn, I didn't hear that. I think Crawford and Spence are out of the question. Porter is a close call and probably the most winnable out of the other 3. I personally believe a prime Pacquiao would beat everyone convincingly except for Crawford. Not just by a stoppage but like a wide UD as well.

Ok I get what you're saying. It's just hard to say for 100 percent certainty unless they failed a test. That was a big problem in baseball when players got caught juicing without failing a test.

That's horrible to hear. I just hope more fans realize what the fighters do for our entertainment.

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It doesn't matter, part of being an intelligent fighter, a veteran, is knowing when you won't win. Very hard to rank them, I think Porter's style is wrong for Pacquiao, I will say that, but they are 50/50 fights because Pacquiao is 40. You are not sold on Spence as a great fighter are you? We'll see man, but he does have a better resume than Crawford in my opinion. It is very tough to say, but Spence, Pacquiao, Crawford, if they were all at their best, great fights, probably 50/50 fights, I could see Crawford and Spence beating Pacquiao, but Pacquiao would beat everyone else at 147.

Yes, but the problem is, we don't know if fighters just take drugs because they think everyone else is doing it, and if they are, it is easier to understand, it's not right, but the more fighters take drugs, the harder it is to criticise one fighter, it was different with Miller though because he failed 3 tests.

I think Broner might yap his way into a Thurman fight, people can hate him as mich as they like, but he sells tickets, that's a good comeback fight for Thurman, not easy, but winnable, both PBC fighters, could potentially earn a world title shot with a win, I think we might see that fight early next year, but I believe Broner has a fight scheduled against Ivan Redkach.

Yes, it's an issue, non-boxers will never 100% understand, it's a running joke over here, 'at least Bellew got hom safe to his wife and kids', like Bellew is a hypochondriac and he's paranoid, well Leavander Johnson, Bradley Stone, Mike Towell, and now Maxim Dadashev are proof that it is not guaranteed you go home safe to your family, that list goes on, and a fighter who is putting his life on the line should not be ridiculed for telling the truth, any pussy who thinks that's funny should be sent to the boxing gym for a punishment. It is great that a GoFund Me has been started, I'll contribute to that, because it's Dadashev's family who are suffering, money is not compensation, but we all want to help them in any way we can.

I'm sold on Spence, what makes you think I'm not? I think he's the second best welterweight right now, and I feel that Crawford has accomplished more to prove to me that he's good enough to beat Spence. Crawford being an undisputed champ and 3 division champ is a pretty good accomplishment.

I think some take over the counter stuff that is banned in boxing. They probably don't think it's bad taking over the counter stuff at a gnc, then doing something real serious like steroids. I heard Whyte just got popped on a failed drug test.

I still like Broner but I just feel there's no chance for him to win against Thurman. He just doesn't let his hands go in the big fights. Broner vs Redkach isn't that bad of a fight.

It's just horrible to hear, I just hope fans understand what boxers go through to entertain fans.

Also what fight is most likely of an upset?
Kovalev vs Yarde
Farmer vs Frenois
Hooker vs Ramirez

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'I personally believe a prime Pacquiao would beat everyone convincingly except for Crawford', if you are sold on Spence as a great fighter, my bad.

True, but Brook, Garcia, are they not better wins than most of Crawford's wins?, maybe not, Gamboa, Postol, Indongo, these are very good wins, like you said, you don't win belts in 2 divisions and clean out a division if you are not a great fighter, but it's interesting, that's a 50/50 fight, hopefully it gets made next year.

Yes, very disappointing, we'll see what the excuse is, and what the ramifications are.

No I don't think so either, especially not considering it's supposed to be a tune up for Broner.

Well Ramirez vs Hooker is a pick'em, I don't think either winning would be much of an upset, so I'll say that one. I wouldn't be that shocked if Frenois won. I wouldn't be shocked if Yarde proved to be that good, beat Kovalev, but I'm 75% sure Kovalev wins that. You?

I lost most of my comment.

Do you think the Spence Crawford fight will be made next year?

I also heard Rivas was dirty for the fight too, wonder what will happen.

I think that Farmer would be the most likely to lose. I'm just not sold on him yet. He's a good boxer, but he doesn't have enough power to keep guys like Tank Davis off him, and he really hasn't fought anyone of note in a long time.

Also have you ever had any issues dealing with boxrec?

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I do that all the time.

I think so, it depends on whether or not Haymon and Arum can work together and come to an agreement, nothing to do with the fighters themselves, no one is avoiding, it's the promoters.

Less chance of it being changed to an NC, but that's very poor, you have to wonder how many fighters are unclean, it's bad, you can't mess with people's lives.

I didn't like his game plan in his last two fights, if you have no natural power, there is nothing you can do about that, don't try to be a puncher, because that never works, power comes naturally, his last two fights were closer than they should have been in my opinion, partly because his performance suffered from him trying to force his power. Farmer should do what ue did against Dib and Tennyson, rely more on volume, work the body, because you do not have to be a puncher to break down an opponent by landing clean to head and body in high volume, round, after round.

Yes, took a lot of time to get an account, but also, it was under maintenance on Tuesday.

It's annoying.

I agree. Most fighters will fight anyone it's just promoter issues that get in the way.

It sucks because they let the fight go with all the dirty stuff happening without us knowing till after. It's a bad look for sure.

I agree on that. I think him not having power will hurt him against better names. He might give Davis problems early, then when it goes on later into the fight he'll just walk right through him. That's why I think he might be upset this fight, he's been in a lot of close fights lately.

I mean like in terms of viruses and stuff, like I can't even go on boxrec on my phone. It either redirects me somewhere or something pops up where I have to reset my phone. I just had to do that with my computer.

Any good fights on the Davis Nunes undercard?

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I had the exact same scorecard. :)

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Yeah man it wasn't the toughest one to score.

You have August done for the PCOM?