Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Julio Ceja Scorecard by Champion97


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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JULIO CEJA
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Gold's picture

Replying here so the page doesn't get too cluttered. I will be watching the Showtime card live because DAZN puts their cards up on demand and I'm more interested in Charlo and Lubin than anyone on the DAZN card. I'm interested to see where they go with Lubin, I could see them matching him with Gausha or Trout next. I still believe he can win a world title. I expect Andrade to win, I'm not impressed by either of them but I think Sulecki is the wrong style of fighter to give Andrade issues (and I wasn't impressed by him versus Rosado). I don't know if I would favor him but I think someone like Rob Brant could give Andrade a good fight. I think Andrade would have a lot of issues with Brant's pressure and workrate. The ESPN card is intriguing for me, I think Commey vs. Beltran should be a good scrap and I'm interested in Adames and Fa in their respective bouts. Apparently, Lopez may be there to call out the winner of Commey/Beltran in the ring. Did you see Vergil Ortiz is signed to fight Orozco? I'm high on Ortiz but that is aggressive matchmaking for a 21 year old prospect that hasn't gone past five rounds.

Champion97's picture

I agree, he is a talented fighter with a lot of time, and this is what I was saying when we were talking about Munguia and Lopez, a fighter in his early twenties, should not be rushed into big fights when he isn't ready, and Lubin against Charlo backs that up. He was very impressive for 8 rounds (you disagree on that?), but it is hard to be too impressed with that, given that late near-disaster for Sulecki, we saw him switch off, get complacent, he got hurt, took a beating, and was not far off getting stopped. I agree, let's see how Brant gets on Murata, but yes, based on the first Murata fight, Brant has improved a lot since losing to Braehmer, can give almost anyone problems. So am I, I wasn't impressed by Fa against Craig Lewis, but that might just have been inexperience, Adames has been impressive in his last few fights, he wasn't that impressive against Barrera, on the undercard of Linares vs Lomachencko, buta I think he has improved since then. That's the logical next fight for Lopez, he can't look past Nakatani, but if it is another easy win, he needs to step up, that doesn't mean chuck him in against Lomachencko, but Commey is a good balance between fights that are too easy and biting off more than he can chew, I don't like 'teofemale', as I like to call him, or his dad, but I was impressed by his last performance, I didn't expect him to stop Tatli in 5 rounds, he has a lot of potential, let's see how good he is, and let's see him tested before we call him the real deal, but Lopez is doing well. I saw that, great step up fight for Ortiz, young prospects like Lopez, Ortiz, who are blasting guys out easy, need learning fights, Herrera was supposed to be a learning fight, veteran who had never been stopped, but Herrera is shot, hopefully Orozco can come close to repeating his performance from the Ramirez fight, if so, good test for Ortiz, good learning fight.

Gold's picture

Yeah, the one point I would like to make regarding Munguia and Lopez is that some guys such as Munguia just stall out in their development, while others continually improve, so it isn't as bad to increase the level of competition for the latter boxer. Agreed about Sulecki vs. Rosado, the thing is that we know Rosado was well past his best, and Sulecki shouldn't have been nearly finished by him. I haven't seen Fa before so that's part of my curiosity, but I know he beat Parker in the amateurs and that rematch would surely have interest in New Zealand. I assume Fa tried to go for a second shot at the Olympics, he only turned pro in 2016 and they have really accelerated him with 17 bouts since then. I figure Orozco will be a much tougher test than Nakatani, but hopefully, I am wrong. I assume you saw the WBC non-sense about Canelo, I made a forum post about it for visibility if you want to check it out.

Champion97's picture

Yes, but the difference is, the fighter who seems to be improving more should step up to the level between a Magdelano or Cota, and a Lomachencko or Charlo, not be rushed into a big fight, whether they look like the real deal or not, when they are 21, not had 15 fights, not been past 7 rounds, and not fought a top 10 opponent in their division. In terms of prospects I'm most impressed by, Teofimo Lopez is up there, top 5, maybe even top 3, I dislike him, but he has a lot of potential, I am more impressed by Vergil Ortiz and Shakur Stevenson, although I don't like Lopez, at this stage, he seems to be improving faster, might have more potential than Haney, Ryan Garcia, others, it is too early to say that with confidence though. I might have asked you this before, but do you agree Lopez Sr is a liability to see his son as a fighter? Is the reason for his arrogance and could be his undoing?

True, but I didn't expect him to drop Rosado twice, be that dominant for 8 rounds, but yes, at the end of the day, it is never a great performance against a guy you are supposed to beat at least fairly comfortably, when you are dropped twice and nearly finished. Yes I think so, he fought on ShoBox I believe, it was on the Prograis vs Indongo undercard.

I agree on that, but I am still in disagreement with you on the capability of an unbeatem fighter who is confident, in his prime, who has a great opportunity, don't disagree so strongly I'm saying it's a 50/50 fight, but I think this will be the toughest fight of Lopez's career so far, not that that's saying much, but let's see if he can take him past 7 rounds.

I saw that and posted on the page, in a nutshell, seems like the whole "franchise" thing is about publicity, trying to protect Canelo's reputation.

Gold's picture

Means very little to me if boxers are seen as arrogant or not. Guys like Crawford and Spence surely believe in themselves as much as Lopez if not more, they just don't communicate it the same way. Lopez doesn't seem like someone who cuts corners, he seems like he takes it seriously which is the important part. The issue with his father being his trainer is often father trainers can only take their sons so far. Shane Mosley got very far with his natural ability and his father as his trainer, but his technical ability lacked because of it. Lopez seems like a good technical boxer so far but he hasn't been at the level where he has been challenged yet. If he fights Commey he will be.

There is a certain advantage in terms of mentality to a fighter being undefeated and/or a champion, but we have also seen plenty of fighters with losses this year out work and out grit undefeated fighters (Ruiz vs. Joshua, Williams vs. Hurd, Cancio vs. Machado). It is too individually determined to use a blanket statement about. To me, I look at Nakatani's record, he's 30 years old, 5'11 Lightweight, only has fought in Japan at a domestic level, it will likely be a levels fight.

Yeah, that is what I got out of it, and I have seen much more confusion and anger at the WBC than Canelo for vacating, so it seems it has worked.

Champion97's picture

Do you understand exactly what my point is? There is a difference between self belief, and arrogance, Broner, Arias, Eubank Jr, they have all suffered from arrogance and lack of respect for their opponent, and Lopez is deluded, unlike Crawford, Spence, Canelo, he doesn't understand where he is at, and whilst he is deluding himself, he is setting a terrible example for kids, and that is something you should take more seriously, you won't admit it, but AJ, Crolla, and to use some non-matchroom examples, to avoid going down that road again, Porter, JC Ramirez, Santa Cruz, are people who are good for the sport when it comes to setting examples for kids who are easily encouraged, unlike Fury, Lopez, Broner, Saunders. This might not be a topic you are interested in, but you can't deny I at least have a point.

Well does Lopez take it seriously? We will see, I think he takes his own work in the gym seriosuly, he just hired a nutritionist, which is wise for any athlete, but does he take his opponents seriously? I doubt it, and just because none of his opponents so far have made him pay, doesn't mean that won't be costly in the future, but I don't blame Jr, what fighter wouldn't think he beats everyone easy and everyone is a bum except him when you have Sr yapping on like a kid himself? Why as a trainer who is supposed to be wise, would you get it into your son's head that Haney, Garcia, these guys, his rivals, are terrible? He is getting it into his son's head that Lomachencko is easy work, you cannot do that as a trainer, that is a recipe for disaster, and not to mention his own arrogance, 'I'm the best trainer, I see things that nobody sees', none of us had heard of him before we had heard of his son, not saying that means he is definitely a terrible trainer, but it doesn't look good, and he has nothing to back up what he says. Yes he will be, but what about when it comes to having the right game plan, knowing how to deal with adversity?, will Sr know what to tell him? I doubt it.

Yes, but those were all favourites, this is a different scenario, Nakatani is the underdog. I don't know, I understand what you mean about levels how much less it means to be undefeated when you are fighting at a lower level, of course, but I'm talking about the mental aspects, and I think Nakatani will make it competitive against Lopez for that reason, might make a case for himself in a round or two, might take Lopez slightly further than he's been before, still, I agree it's levels, we will never agree on the value of an unbeaten record, professional boxing experience, but I agree Lopez will win, by stoppage, it won't go past 8, and he will be well ahead on the cards.

Does Lopez beat Commey and Campbell already?, or do you agree he is too inexperienced?

Gold's picture

Do you believe Jermall Charlo is deluded? I don't believe he is, I think he is similar to Lopez in that he talks a big game because it sells. Lopez wouldn't be lined up to fight Commey and then Lomachenko so quickly if he didn't talk a big game the way he does. Would you say Muhammad Ali set a terrible example? Danced around his opponents, talked massive amounts of trash, zero respect for them. Nearly every boxer would say Ali is their idol. My point is that there are different ways to go about it, some guys are quiet but confident like Hagler and Crawford, some guys talk a big game. Guys like Porter, Ramirez, and Santa Cruz are very boring to me personally, they don't seem to have the inner fire of someone like Crawford and they don't have the outward passion of someone like Fury. Just different strokes for different folks. You don't have to agree with me.

Again this is like the Jermall Charlo example for me, I don't think he actually believes Lomachenko will be easy work even if he is confident. He is just talking a big game. Maybe he won't be able to gameplan at the highest level, people could exploit unseen flaws, etc. It is hard to say if he will be able to step up or not, he's still in the prospect stage.

It is unpredictable, some guys with undefeated records in Nakatani's position are just happy to travel and collect a check. Stuff like amateur pedigree and competition are more meaningful. We saw Soto with one loss but some amateur background stand in there versus Acosta and win.

He probably can beat them right now. I'm not very big on anyone at the top of Lightweight, it is a weak division.

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I don't know. I don't believe that, because he didn't get KO of the year candidate against Menard by talking, prospects in general are getting more televised fights nowadays, there were talks of Haney against Campbell, Ortiz and Stevenson are doing well, progressing quickly, the only reason Lopez seems particularly close to a big fight is because he is both with the same network as a great fighter, and in the same relatively quiet division, he still would be those things and a prospect who seems to have a lot of potential, if he didn't talk crap. Yes he did, if we were in 1968, I would say as much about Ali being a bad role model as Lopez, but Ali got more mellow in his career. Well that annoys me when people say that, like the thread NF started about Joshua being boring, fighters are not monkeys, they don't do tricks, this is boxing, getting in there, doing their job, what inner fire do they lack? You seen how many punches they all throw and what they have all achieved in the ring?, no, I very strongly disagree with that, it takes nothing to talk, it is not interesting, it is dull, it sets a bad example, do your talking in the ring, that's the way to go about it, it's business, it sells?, so why are AJ and Canelo such big draws? Being a draw doesn't have to be about having a big mouth, not saying it doesn't sell, because too many people like trash talkers, but you do not need a big mouth to be a draw in boxing. Come on man, passion of someone like Fury? Fury was obese and inavtive in 2017, and there is no reason to think it unlikely he'll do the same, he is insecure, which is likely why he used to rip on Joshua, he lacks dicipline, I have no idea what this so called passion even is, Santa Cruz, Ramirez, Porter, do their business in the ring, so I can't disagree more on this topic, and even if the kid in you likes a war of words, you have to agree, whether it is entertaining or not, it is a bad example for kids. All I can do on this topic about big mouths and bad sportsmanship in boxing is disagree, unless there is anything you think I haven't considered or is improtant in this discussion, I think we should leave this topic.

Most fighters do what Charlo does and get carried away, I'm talking about Lopez sitting with the Top Rank pundits and saying what he said about Lomachencko being easy work, and more improtantly, I'm criticising Sr more than Jr, because Sr is getting it into his sons head that Lomachencko is easy work, the last thing a fighter needs is a trainer who thinks like a fighter. Exactly, so when you say he is a future champ, that's what I meant when I refereed to tabbing a fighter as good, he is unproven, may or may not be a future great fighter, we don't know.

I agree, but that just proves it isn't as predictable as you have made this sort of fight seem in the past. Yes that's something to take into account, but at the same time, amateur and professional boxing are not the same, there aspects which you don't get tested in amateur boxing, and I maintain that 90% of the reason Lomachencko lost to Salido was that he was 1-0, still, definitely something to take into account.

Well they would be good fights, I think they would both beat Lopez now on experience, I think when Lopez is at his best, in 5-8 years, he will be better than Campbell or Commey were at their best, but he will never be as good as a prime Lomachencko, I don't think.

SalTnutZ1's picture

Not jumping in the middle or trying to be controversial, but what are your thoughts on Stevenson? Personally, I can handle fighters talking trash, and downgrading other fighters compared to themselves. That’s part of building your name and a fight. He’s a kid still in terms of maturation, so he’ll likely evolve as he ages and matures. He doesn’t do bullshit outside the ring that’s bad. Wilder said he wanted to kill a Breazeale in the ring. Ali did what he did, as much to build himself up, but also create a platform for himself and his beliefs(most wouldn’t give up their prime of the lives and careers out of a principle, which is good examples to kids.) Stevenson and his friend, also a boxer, assaulted a group of pedestrians, including woman...I’d say his actions are far more egregious and are a much worse example than anything Lopez has ever done to this point.

Video in case anyone hadn’t seen it.
https://youtu.be/UxvG8ujv_wA

Champion97's picture

Stevenson is the best prospect in boxing in my opinion, he is not as arrogant as Lopez, but he has been involved in trouble with the law, poor, but let's see if he can get his act together. I don't think you need to do that to build your name and a fight, if you arevasked why you beat someone and how tough the fight is, you have the right to give an honest answer, if you weren't impressed by your opponent's last fight, you can say so, put it bluntly if you want, but there is no need to run your mouth like Broner, Arias, Lopez. I agree, what they did was very poor, we don't know the full story (I certainly don't), but you can't excuse it, I've seen the video, Stevenson looked like he was trying to impress Grayton. Fair point pal, I don't like Lopez, he is arrogant, has a big mouth, his dad has made him deluded, I will always root for his opponent, but none of that is anywhere near as bas as what Stevenson did.