Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz

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Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz
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Average: 4.8 (23 votes)

Date: 
Saturday, June 1, 2019
Location: 
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
Unlimited
Titles at Stake: 
WBA (Joshua's 4th defence), IBF (Joshua's 7th defence), WBO (Joshua's 2nd defence) Heavyweights World Titles
Referee: 
Michael Griffin

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Anthony Joshua loses his US debut, in a shocking upset which is even compared to James Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson, underdog, Andy Ruiz Jr, stops Joshua. Ruiz fights on 5-6 weeks notice, replacing Jarrell Miller (who failed 3 drug tests and lost his opportunity).

Andy Ruiz Jr became the first Mexican heavyweight world champion in the history of boxing.

Joshua put Ruiz down in round 3, but Ruiz came back to drop Joshua twice in the same round, in a strong candidate for Round of the Year.

Ruiz dropped Joshua twice in round 7, Joshua beat the count both times, but the referee wisely called a halt to the fight after Joshua got up from being dropped for the 4th time in the fight.

After 6 rounds, Ruiz was very slightly ahead, the fight was very close on the cards, the judges were split, one judge had Joshua ahead 57-56, but the other two had Ruiz ahead by the same score.




Fan Cards: Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz


scorecard by THECAPITALBAMA
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by JAROD KILLIAN
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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54
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by MATCHROOM
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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55
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by HART
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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57
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by ITESTR
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by SPORTSJINDC
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by OLAAIN1994
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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54
ANDY RUIZ JR
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57


scorecard by POWERPUNCHER999
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
10
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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57


scorecard by JONTAM23
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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54
ANDY RUIZ JR
10
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59


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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57
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by MARTIN EDEN
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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59


scorecard by STATICERUPTION
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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55
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by LEWGR10
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by STERLINGCOOPERDRAPERPRICE
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by ADAMJO260
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by DIEGOYEYE
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by PHILLYPHAN69
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by HTTP
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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57


scorecard by GOOSU
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by GOLD
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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55
ANDY RUIZ JR
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scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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55
ANDY RUIZ JR
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58


scorecard by MINIMAXBOXING
Round
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
10
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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57


scorecard by ONLY1
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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57


scorecard by NF82
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
10
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55
ANDY RUIZ JR
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58


scorecard by HAGLERGOAT
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
9
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54
ANDY RUIZ JR
10
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59


scorecard by STINGEV98
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
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54
ANDY RUIZ JR
10
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59


scorecard by BLOODMONEY80
Round
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
10
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55
ANDY RUIZ JR
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58


scorecard by OTURN10
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
10
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55
ANDY RUIZ JR
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56


scorecard by CHAMPION58
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
10
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
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58


scorecard by MIKE25
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
9
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54
ANDY RUIZ JR
10
9
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10
59


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
10
10
8
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56
ANDY RUIZ JR
9
9
10
10
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10
57


scorecard by PETIEROACH
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
9
9
8
9
9
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53
ANDY RUIZ JR
10
10
10
10
10
10
60


scorecard by WILLIAMBOXING
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
9
10
8
9
9
9
54
ANDY RUIZ JR
10
9
10
10
10
10
59


scorecard by ALBERTOCASTANY
Round
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ANTHONY JOSHUA
9
10
8
9
10
9
55
ANDY RUIZ JR
10
9
10
10
9
10
58


Comments

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Jarrell Miller let a lot of people down, failed 3 tests, isn't just a fighter who bends the rules with supplements, does something because a lot of other people are doing it, he took substances which would boost his stamina and power, I don't think he wanted to kill Joshua, but I wonder if he was scared, didn't know what to do.

It is one thing for a fighter to cheat, take something to boost their stamina rather than do what real athletes do and build up their stamina by training, but Miller took a substance which gave him unnatural power, which is disgraceful. Miller should have been banned for a lot longer than he was, I think he should be forced to fund more drug testing in boxing, but definitely, he doesn't deserve this opportunity, good thing he's out.

Ruiz is not a bad replacement at all, he is experienced, a young fighter, he is fairly active, he's in shape, and I think he is a very underrated fighter. Ruiz hasn't done anything in particular to deserve this opportunity, hasn't got any wins over top 15 opponents, so he's lucky to get the shot, but it is good to see a fighter get the opportunity to earn the recognition he deserves, and Ruiz is not less deserving of this shot that Miller was before he failed the tests, because he hadn't beaten a top 15 heavyweight either.

I think this will be somewhat reminiscent of Lewis vs Tua.

Ruiz, style wise, is not too different to Miller, no 2 fighters are exactly the same, but they are both come forward fighters who are aggressive, not the biggest punchers, but try to break down their opponents, attack body and head, so Joshua, when he's been preparing for Miller, doesn't have to make too many alterations, especially given that Ruiz was confirmed as the replacement, a good month before the fight.

Joshua is the heavy favourite, Joseph Parker is a common opponent, Joshua beat him by a wide UD, and Ruiz lost to Parker, Joshua as well, with the wins over Klitschko and Povetkin, his career has taken off, his resume is on a different level to Ruiz's.

I think Ruiz is top 10, I think is on the same level as Parker, Povetkin, he was not a bad amateur, over 100 bouts, fought Hunter, Rivas, and as a professional, he's had 30 fights. Ruiz's opposition, overall, hasn't been great, but he did a lot in the Parker fight, that was a very close fight, and he is coming off decent win and a solid performance against Dimitrenko.

I don't think Ruiz has been down in his career, Parker couldn't hurt him, he is a very durable fighter, his stamina is better than people think, he has more hand speed as well, he has slow feet, but not so slow that he can't sustain his pressure, he attacks the body, moves his head, throws punches going forward, I think if Joshua stands and fights him, it's a great fight, but if Joshua uses his jab to control the distance, he can make the fight easier for himself.

I think Ruiz can walk through Joshua's power, but I think if Joshua attacks the body, early, he can weaken Ruiz, and I think even though Ruiz has a good chin, if Joshua times the right uppercut, lands it clean, with full power, he can hurt Ruiz, but Joshua shouldn't go looking for the stoppage, he should use his jab, sustain a good work rate, keep Ruiz at the right range.

I think Joshua will frustrate Ruiz in the early rounds by using his jab, stopping Ruiz in his tracks, Ruiz will go forward, but Joshua will hit him on the counter as he comes in, Joshua will use his feet as well, be mobile and make it harder for Ruiz to get into range.

I think Ruiz will be more competitive in the mid rounds, if he finds the target once, he can follow it up, because he throws in clusters, and if he gets Joshua on the ropes, he can have success, but I think the fight is close on the inside, and in the mid rounds, if they exchange on the inside, I think Joshua will work the body, which will take a lot out of Ruiz, so in that sort of fight, the fight Ruiz wants, it's close, and that's the best scenario for Ruiz. I think in the mid rounds, Joshua will still do a good job of doing the basics at times, using his jab, picking up the points, not letting Ruiz apply his tactics.

I think in the late rounds, it will be more of a dogfight, Ruiz will swing for the fences, walk through Joshua's counter punches, but Joshua will fight in the pocket when Ruiz gets close, won't let Ruiz have a good late rally. I think Ruiz will punch himself out trying to get the KO he needs, and Joshua will finish the fight as the aggressor.

I think Joshua wins a UD, 117-111, 118-110, 119-109.

Joshua must make a statement in his USA debut. The fight will be competitive as long as Joshua wants it. It’s a show created for him therefore I think Joshua stops him in the mid rounds

albertocastany's picture

Joshua wins....but Ruiz has very good punching technique and can build cummulative damage.
This is a good test for AJ. Ruiz has the skills to pull an upset.

PhillyPhan69's picture

Well, you saw something I didn’t see calling a potential upset...good call, I didn’t give him a shot at all...oh well

Gold's picture

ANDY RUIZ GOAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST UPSETS OF ALL TIME

petieroach's picture

HOLY SHIT YES WHAT A WIN!!!

albertocastany's picture

Told ya :)

SalTnutZ1's picture

Wilder and Fury are somewhere losing their minds right now

Champion97's picture

Big upset!!
What a great fight, both getting hit with KO punches and firing back, that's what heavyweight boxing is all about.

Andy Ruiz is a great fighter! You have to be happy for Ruiz, never talks trash, is a humble fighter, always shows his opponent respect, it takes no heart or toughness to run your mouth, it takes hesrt and toughness to get in there and fight like Joshua and Ruiz both did, Ruiz proved as other fighters have that nice guys can be tough guys, can get in that ring, go to war, and deliver.

Joseph Parker said a few days ago that Ruiz was the hardest puncher he's faced, fighters say things that only fighters can know, people think they know better, don't believe them, and the proof is in the pudding, because Ruiz proved to be a devastating puncher.

Ruiz is not only a tough Mexican, but he understands the meaning of the traditional Mexican style, it is sustained, educated pressure, very offensive, very aggressive, but very smart, and that's how Ruiz fought in this fight. Ruiz walked Joshua down, he was patient, he was aggressive, but not reckless, and most improtantly, he did damage when he timed Joshua, because when he hit him clean and hurt him, his timing was spot on, that's what most fighters can't do so well at this level, that perfect timing is not something you get taught.

Both fighters got hit flush with devastating punches, but the crucial difference between the two fighters is, Ruiz has a granite chin, has the natural ability to recover, and the underrated fitness to back it up, fitness, conditioning, Joshua had that, probably even more than Ruiz, but the natural ability to recover quickly, a granite chin or even a good chin, Joshua does not have either, nothing you can do, these are things you either have or don't have.

Joshua has the mentality and heart of a champion, he is always very calm in fights, and not only does he has no quit in his whatsoever, he seems to be a fighter who is spurred and motivated when he is hurt, which isn't always a good thing, but Joshua is not a fighter who mentally comes apart, he has proven that time and time again, and he proved that in this fight, but his body let's him down, he wants to go to war, has the same heart, grit, fighting pride as Ruiz, but Ruiz was able to soak up the power, the only time he was really hurt, he recovered very quickly, and Joshua was badly hurt when he was hit clean with a dangerous counter, his chin simply couldn't hold up, and when he was badly hurt, he couldn't recover quickly.

Joshua took serious damage in this fight, he needs to rest, recover physically, but he also needs to ponder his career, evaluate his options, and if he takes the immediate rematch, he should do the same thing again in camp when it comes to physical preparation, but he needs a new game plan, needs to go into the rematch knowing how much damage Ruiz can do to him, needs to box more and fight less.

You have to question if Joshua will ever be the same after this loss, I think had the fight gone on, he wouldn't, and the fight might have ruined him, but I think the referee saved Joshua's career, and he can come back better.

dizzy's picture

Does anyone know how to score the round where both fighters get knocked down?

Guy Incognito's picture

Each round in boxing must end with at least one fighter having 10 points, excluding cases of point deductions. If a fighter gets knocked down once, that does not necessarily mean he will lose the round 10-8. If the floored fighter impresses the judges enough, he could earn himself a 10-9 loss in that round, and if the other fighter impresses the judges enough, he could earn himself a 10-7 victory in that round.

If both fighters are knocked down once in a single round, just remember that at least one fighter must have 10 points at the end of the round (unless a point deduction occurs). Perhaps the better fighter that round won 10-9. Perhaps the round ended in a 10-10 draw. Perhaps one fighter impressed the judges enough to earn himself a 10-8 victory.

Knockdowns do not always mean the fighter loses a point in that round. They usually do, but not always. One such example is the fifth round in Anthony Joshua's clash with Wladimir Klitschko. Klitschko was floored, but he managed to dominate the remainder of the session. When I watched that fight, I decided to score the round 10-9 in favour of Anthony Joshua, since Joshua scored a knockdown, but Klitschko did well enough to gain himself a point on my scorecard.

In the third round of this fight, Andy Ruiz Jr. was floored once and Anthony Joshua twice. I decided to score the round 10-8 in favour of Ruiz. If the Ruiz knockdown never took place, and neither fighter achieved anything notable that wasn't a knockdown, then I would have scored the round 10-7 in the American's favour. If the the Joshua knockdowns never took place, and neither fighter achieved anything notable that wasn't a knockdown, then I would have scored the round 10-8 in the Englishman's favour.

I hope that answers your question.

Champion97's picture

'If both fighters are knocked down once in a single round, just remember that at least one fighter must have 10 points at the end of the round (unless a point deduction occurs). Perhaps the better fighter that round won 10-9. Perhaps the round ended in a 10-10 draw. Perhaps one fighter impressed the judges enough to earn himself a 10-8 victory',

Is not the case, you can share the round and go 9-9 when they both score a knockdown, you can go 10-9 for the winner outisde the knockdown.

Guy Incognito's picture

'Is not the case, you can share the round and go 9-9 when they both score a knockdown'

You are forgetting the 10 points rule. I could be mistaken, but I believe the round could be scored 10-10, but not 9-9 (unless a point deduction occurred).

'you can go 10-9 for the winner outisde the knockdown.'

And I never said you could not. I was just giving some examples, not every single possible example.

Gold's picture

Correct, it is the ten point must system, the winner of the round has to have ten points unless there is a deduction.

Guy Incognito's picture

But why is Champion97 saying a round could end 9-9 without a deduction?

Champion97's picture

Who are you talking to? If you have a question for me, I'll answer it. The judges are people, they make their own minds, up, they can score a 9-9 round when there is no point deduction but a knockdown for either fighter, different judges have different methods, some judges score 10-8 rounds sheerly because they are one sided, others don't, some score 10-9 againstba fighter because he got dropped but rescued the point, some judges will score 9-9 when there is a knockdown each, others will go 10-9 for who won the rest of the round.

Guy Incognito's picture

Has there ever been a case of a judge scoring a fight 9-9, though?

Guy Incognito's picture

Could a judge score a round 8-8 as well?

PhillyPhan69's picture

I have never heard of a 9-9 round let alone 8-8. Boxing commentators (aka idiots) sometimes write these things down. I have checked and researched hundreds of cards and controversial contexts and have never seen an official judge give this type of ruling. I have been in communication with: https://www.abcboxing.com/ as well as the Pennsylvania State Athletic commission and am in the process of trying to get licensed through the Mid Atlantic Association. If you reach out to any of these organizations or those that are geographically relevant to where you live, it may take some persistence and research but you will get "official" answers.

albertocastany's picture

Closest thing I remember is an 8-7 round in an Andre Ward fight...i just dont remember against who. Both fighters were going dirty against each other. Referee deducted 2 points to each, meaning that if they get another deduction, they get disqualified and they are not elegible for compensation. Hard refereeing

PhillyPhan69's picture

Edwin Rodriguez round 4

albertocastany's picture

Thats the one..thanks

Gold's picture

He's wrong, I have made the mistake myself but reading on the topic I've seen professional judges make it clear you have to score ten points unless there is a deduction.

Steve Weisfeld, a longtime world championship judge, says: "Putting aside the possibility of a point deduction by the referee for repeated low blows or other infractions, the winner of a round must receive 10 points, and the loser nine or less. A typical round is 10-9."

https://www.premierboxingchampions.com/news/veteran-boxing-judge-steve-w...

That's why it is called the ten point "must" stystem. The winner "must" have ten points.

Champion97's picture

I'm right, you're wrong, you don't understand how boxing scoring works in the real world, not in the minds of people who think about meaningless stuff, but how judges actually score fights.

It means nothing, technically you are supposed to always give 10 points unless point deduction, but it is is not a strict, ironed on rule, you can score 9-8 as you yourself did, and there would be no consequence, but the meaninglessness of this ridiculous topic is stupid, 9-8 and 10-9 are the same thing.

Guy Incognito's picture

I think Gold and Steve Weisfeld are both right and you are wrong. Scoring a round 9-9, 8-8 or even 7-7 without any point deductions causes more problems than good. I get that this is meaningless, but it just creates confusion. I believe what I previously thought to be true, along with what Gold, Steve Weisfeld and the 10 point rule itself says. Four outnumber one. I'm sorry Champion97. You lose this argument. Better luck next time.

Champion97's picture

You're an idoit.

You don't even understand my argument, but that's fine, you will never learn anyway. I never said it is good to go against standard boxing scoring, I said it doesn't matter, it is the margin and the credit that matters, which is what you are too dim to understand.

Dorticos out classes Usyk and Ustinov pushes Joyce to a disputed decision, people don't get much stupider than that. That was 4 outnumber 1 as well, me Gold, goosu, clown.

Guy Incognito's picture

Please calm yourself (and perhaps you could work on your spelling and grammar). I accept that I was wrong about Ustinov and Joyce. There is no need for this to get heated. But I must say I am not surprised. You have had a history of insulting those who disagree with you, and I have been unfortunate enough to witness some of these rages.

But I still believe Dorticos is capable of out classing Usyk. Let's say I told you a couple of days ago that I thought Andy Ruiz Jr. was capable of defeating Anthony Joshua. Don't bother denying it, but I'd bet you would called me stupid then. I would not have called anyone who said that stupid, I would just politely disagree, which I am doing now. But the American underdog won. Perhaps the Cuban (who is considered to be an underdog) could defeat Usyk? Nobody can be too sure.

Please refrain from such unpleasant behaviour in the future.

Champion97's picture

Do you think you appear smart talking about grammar on a boxing forum?, that's pathetic.

That's laughable, it is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, you have a history of saying stupid things. To say Dorticos was beating Lebedev is wrong, Dorticos probably knew he was behind.

You are a joke, 'please refrain from such unpleasant behaviour in the future', using rich vocabulary doesn't make you right, doesn't make you knowledgeable, and if you antagonise someone, sorry, but they will respond, and they have every right to.

Guy Incognito's picture

If you are claiming to be more knowledgable than me, then how come you claimed Yunier Dorticos once fought Denis Lebedev? I think you meant to say Murat Gassiev. It is an easy mistake to make for boxing casuals such as yourself. Using false information makes you even less knowledgable and correct than someone who uses 'rich vocabulary' but correct information such as myself.

I apologise for being so unpleasant to you, but at least I was nowhere near as unpleasant as you were to me. Remember, 'if you antagonise someone, sorry, but they will respond, and they have every right to'.

Champion97's picture

The fact that you even use that shows how pathetic you are, simple mistake, means nothing, man you are a smartass, you knew who I meant. Don't call me a casual, you're the casual here, that much is clear, unlike you, I understand boxing, don't get upset just because someone tells you the truth. There we go again, it was a mis type, nothing to do with my boxing knowledge, which is far greater than yours.

Exactly, so bear that in mind next time you want to post some provocation like what you put earlier, people will respond and defend themselves, and when that happens, don't talk about 'unpleasant behaviour'.

Guy Incognito's picture

There is no need to be boastful about your apparent superior 'boxing knowledge'. Perhaps you are more knowledgable than me. After all, you are on the leaderboard and I am not. If I am in fact the casual here, then how come you misidentified Yunier Dorticos' opponent as Denis Lebedev, instead of Murat Gassiev? If you meant to say Gassiev, you really should think before you comment.

Also, since when was I upset about being told this 'truth'? When was I upset? And what was this 'truth'? Not to be rude (like yourself), but do you even have any idea what you are talking about?

Champion97's picture

It was a mis type, again, I knew who I meant. You knew I knew who I meant, you can't be that stupid that you think an error like that means anything.

Yes I understand what I'm talking about, what I meant was, you get upset when someone tells you the truth, ' you've lost the argument', I responded, and then you got upset and started talking about being rude, unpleasant behaviour, that's a reaction to provocation from you.

Also, about being rude, you've been worse than rude, because you've instigated this.

Guy Incognito's picture

And this is my fault? I was provocative? I instigated this? I got upset? You are making no sense at all! I don't think you do understand what you are talking about after all. If anything, it is your fault that this argument has gone on for so long. The only reason I replied to you was because you were insulting me, not vice versa. I, unlike you, have some dignity, and I am willing to defend it.

You wasted my time, not vice versa. You, unlike me, have no time, or life, to be wasted.

I apologise for insulting you so much, but remember, 'if you antagonise someone, sorry, but they will respond, and they have every right to'.

Champion97's picture

Yes you did, saying 'you've lost the argument, better luck next time', was that not a deliberate attempt to get a response? And what did I say to you before that? Is that enough sense for you? At least if you answer those questions, we might get somewhere. You've lost me, you insulted me first.

Guy Incognito's picture

This is not getting anywhere. I am so confused and tired, I can hardly even remember what we are arguing about. Let's just agree to disagree here. Since I believe I did insult you first, then I apologise. I was simply defending Gold, and you insulted him first.

Goodbye for now (hopefully).

:)

Champion97's picture

I did insult Gold first, based on him saying Joshua quit and there is no way around it, I was disgusted by it, when he didn't quit. I accept your apology. Smartass is mild language, lighten up, don't be so sensitive, but again, sorry for my part, I have done my fair share.

For the record, when it comes to what we are discussing, 10 points unless a PD is probably the best way to score, doesn't matter, but those are the standard rules, some people even go 10-10 when a fighter who won the round loses a point, which is just another method. I didn't lose the argument because the only disagreement was the importance and vaule of the 10 points, I didn't disagree about the rulebook, didn't say there was anything wrong the standard scoring method.

I hope we can bury the hatchet, as boxing fans and dog owners, one of mine left me a present on the carpet earlier, who'd have a dog eh?:)

Guy Incognito's picture

It's good that argument is finally out of the way.

I walked my pug dog Toby a few hours ago. He was being slow the whole way, but to be fair he is eight years old now. At least he has some excuse for being lazy all the time (except when it's feeding time. He'll liven up all of a sudden when I get out his food) :)

Champion97's picture

Our Charley will only walk in certain areas, if we take him to a field, he'll walk, if we take him locally, on the pavement, he stops, and we have to carry him, he's just a rascal. My other one likes walks but she's a handful, 16 months and she is still not house trained, I've been too soft on her, problem is, I prepare to tell her off, I look at her, and I just can't, :)

Guy Incognito's picture

Mine was a nuisance from day one. It took him a couple of years to be completely house trained, so there's no need to rush training them. It just takes time.

I need to pop out now. I'll see you around.

Gold's picture

Yeah, I guess Steve Weisfeld doesn't know about judging, he's "only" scored about 100 championship fights.

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Champion97's picture

Steve Weisfeld knows boxing, he was right about what he said, traditionally the boxing 10 poimts must scoring system means what you said, but no professional judges are wasting time talking about something as meaningless as the non-exsistent difference between 10-9 and 9-8, the rule is 10 points without a PD?, yes technically, but if a judge scored Ruiz winning round 3, 9-7, nobody would want an investigation, the judge wouldn't have his job terminated, and it doesn't matter.

When I said you don't understand, I meant you don't understand the mindset of a judge, in no aspects is boxing a sport when you focus on something that is meaningless, and a real judge thinks about what the actual score is, not the digits, but the margin, and in a boxing fight, it is all about the margin, 10-9 is 1-0, 10-8 is 2-0.

Guy Incognito's picture

And yet you still ignore the 10 point rule, which all judges must follow. Perhaps the judge would have his job terminated if he made this error. The 10 point rule is not meaningless. I trust the word of the official rules of boxing and the word of an experienced judge over the word of a single impolite contributor on eye on the ring.

Gold's picture

Not worth the argument, you'll be going on forever about this.

Guy Incognito's picture

Good point. I am tired of this endless bickering. Champion97 is simply not worth my time.

Champion97's picture

You are too dim to understand what I'm saying, I don't personally ignore the 10 point rule. Which all judges must follow? Again, why not follow the standard rules? Why make it more complicated than it needs to be, but if judges aren't getting sacked for going against it, then the rule can't be enforced, good thing too, because it is meaningless, and if someone didn't score 10 in a round without a PD, it wouldn't matter, the margin, the winner, would not change.

I can't believe you have wasted so much of mine and your time with this pointless topic.

Guy Incognito's picture

And this is my fault? If anything, it is your fault that this topic has gone on for so long. The only reason I replied to you was because you were insulting me, and, unlike you, I have some dignity, and I am willing to defend it.

You wasted my time, not vice versa. You, unlike me, have no time, or life, to be wasted.

I apologise for insulting you so much, but remember, 'if you antagonise someone, sorry, but they will respond, and they have every right to'.

Champion97's picture

It's both our faults but yours more than mine because of that initial comment.

I have more of a life than you do, you've wasted my time and your own.

So remember that, I hope you learned something, not about boxing, but about not being a smartass.

Guy Incognito's picture

At least you accepted it was the fault of both of us. You have learned something as well: how to take (some) responsibility for your actions. Now we can end this on a (somewhat) high note. Just refrain from calling me a 's******s'. This website should have a policy that bans foul language. Minors could have accounts on here!

Anyway, farewell for now (hopefully).

:)

Champion97's picture

It is the fault of both of us, I shouldn't have called you dim, and anyone can see this is 50/50, we are both responding. I've learned nothing, I can take responsibility for my actions, can you take responsibily for your part in this? I apologised to you last time for being disrespectful. You haven't answered my question, what did I say to you before you said 'You've lost the argument, better luck next time'?, and when what I'm saying isn't being understood, I'm just being dismissed when I'm trying to explain what I'm saying, can you see why I didn't take kindly to that? What bad word did I call you, I haven't called you a swearword today.

That's unrealistic and extreme, do you know how some people on YouTube talk, if you think I'm bad for language, you never go on the Internet. Still, keeping it clean for the reason you said is not a bad idea?