Josh Kelly vs Przemyslaw Runowski Scorecard by Gold


scorecard by GOLD
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JOSH KELLY
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100
PRZEMYSLAW RUNOWSKI
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87

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Gold's picture

Kelly has a lot of bad habits and a style that will not translate to the world level. He showboated the entire fight and still managed to be boring. It is clear to see why Booth and Kelly ducked Avaneysan.

SalTnutZ1's picture

Yeah, he fights like that against any belt holder, or even top 15 guy, he will be in a lot of trouble.

Gold's picture

The EBU situation with Kelly right now is kind of suspect in my opinion. I believe Avanesyan is contracted to fight a rematch with Lejarraga, but after that came out the EBU mandated Avanesyan to fight Kelly. Potentially did that to set up Kelly to fight for the vacant EBU title if Avanesyan is forced to honor his rematch with Lejarraga and the EBU doesn't give Avanesyan an exemption? That way Booth and Kelly can act like they tried to make the Avanesyan fight happen and that it was Avanesyan that walked away from it. That theory may be too conspiratorial though lol.

SalTnutZ1's picture

Probably not too far off. I think Kelly would have been KOd by Kerman fighting that way, let alone Avanesyan.

Just heard Whyte v Rivas is coming. Thought TR would hold Rivas for Fury’s next fight.

Gold's picture

So Whyte is with Top Rank now? Or is it just a one fight deal/co-promotion? If Whyte is with Top Rank now him versus Fury would be good.

SalTnutZ1's picture

Not sure how will work out. They mentioned it on the DAZN broadcast, so I’m guessing co-promotion.

Gold's picture

Oh okay, I am watching but I must have missed it. As you said, I am surprised they would burn Rivas on that fight if that is the case.

SalTnutZ1's picture

Bob will either be getting a real good deal out of Eddie on it, or truly believes Rivas can win it, or maybe both.

Gold's picture

Possibly, it seems like there have been more cross-promotional fights between Top Rank and Matchroom lately. Loma vs. Crolla, Crawford vs. Khan, Whyte vs. Rivas, potentially Crawford vs. Brook. What would you think of Crawford vs. Brook if that happens?

SalTnutZ1's picture

It’s probably better than anything TR could make internally, so I wouldn’t be mad at it. If Danny Garcia stays at 147, which he looked so weight drained yesterday, I’m wondering how long he can stay there, that would be possible as well, since I don’t see PBC letting any of their belt holders fight him until some internal unifications happen.

Gold's picture

Not good for Danny Garcia either, he would be fodder for any of the top guys at Super Welterweight. He's just too small. I don't see it happening but I would like to see Crawford vs. Garcia as a final big fight for Garcia at that weight.

Champion97's picture

Not having a pop, but 'Booth and Kelly ducked Avaneysan', is why Gill fought with food poisoning, because of the stick Kelly got for pulling out of a fight late, that not was a duck, he got ill, if you are going to duck an opponent, you don't get the fight on and pull out two days before the fight.

Gold's picture

Except there is evidence Kelly and his team wanted to pull out of the Avanyesan fight. Avanesyan would have beat Kelly and I don't think that is controversial, Avanesyan is a way better fighter than Tinoco. You can't say if Gill's excuse is true or not, it would make sense but he was also there to be hit from the beginning. If I assume it is true, they may have thought they could beat Tinoco regardless, but fighters make excuses for losing all the time. It happens more often than not that fights are pushed back or canceled for business reasons, I believe the Crawford Horn fight was pushed back not because Crawford bruised his hand but because they needed to wait to put it on ESPN+. A lot of people believe Tete pulled out of the WBSS tournament because of the WBSS's Sky TV deal conflicting with Warren's BT Sport deal and that Warren and Arum wanted to match Tete against Burnett while he has the title. I could see that happening. It is the similar to what happened with Avanesyan and Kelly, Kelly and his team got cold feet and pulled out as a business decision.

Champion97's picture

Not controversial he would have won, Avanesyan, but that doesn't suggest Kelly ducked him. Yes, but Coldwell, Gill's trainer himself said that Gill didn't pull out because of the "ducking" accusation Kelly got when he pulled out of the Avanesyan fight, due to illness. True, but that isn't the sort of excuse you likely make up, you said it, upsets are upsets for a reason, it is very believable, food poisoning happens, Gill had a bad night.

Well that's speculation, not saying it definitely didn't happen, but also, 'bruised his hand', I think it was a proper injury, bruised hands are common in boxing. I don't believe that for a second, not impossible, but that is more believable than Kelly ducking Avanesyan because when you come up with an alternate plan, network wise, pull out late, that isn't the same as deciding that you don't want to fight the guy you have been training to fight for weeks, maybe months.

I think that's nonsense, I think he was ill, pulled out, it was a wise decision, any trainer will pull a fighter out when they are ill, but Gill kept Coldwell in the dark about his ailment. You also have to remember what an upset Lejarraga vs Avanesyan was, was you say would be more believable if Kelly had pulled put of the fight after Avanesyan beat Lejarraga, but if you are Kelly, and you are not confident of beating a guy who got stopped in 6 by Kavaliaskas, beat by a past prime Peterson, then you must not have much confidence you can be a world champion or do as well as your trainer and team think you will.

In my opinion, ducking is rarely the case, not never, but rarely, and this is one of thise scenarios when there was no ducking.

Gold's picture

No one would have thought Gill was ducking a 17-5 fighter who lost every round to Devin Haney. Seems like an excuse by Coldwell. It can be a logical excuse whether it is true or not, there isn't any way to know if it is legitimate or not, but rematching Tinoco and winning would add credibility to it.

The Crawford vs. Horn example I definitely believe because of the timing makes sense with the ESPN+ launch. It has been stated Booth tried to change the number of rounds for Kelly vs. Avanesyan and wasn't doing his due diligence in the pre-fight which suggests he didn't plan on fighting.

It makes plenty of sense, they overestimated Kelly's experience to that point and then pulled out when they got cold feet about it and weren't able to pull one over on Avanesyan by changing it to a ten rounder. I gave Avanesyan a good chance versus Lejarraga but didn't think he could win, people knew he was a good gatekeeper level fighter at that point despite his loss to Kavaliauskas. Obviously, they didn't have much confidence in him versus Avanesyan if they tried to change it from a twelve round fight to a ten round fight. It was just too early in the building stage to face someone like Avanesyan. He looked very raw versus the low-level Polish fighter he just faced. It seems Matchroom and the EBU are trying to set up Kelly to fight for the vacant title down the line if Avanesyan has to fight a contracted rematch with Lejarraga. Then they could mandate he faces Kelly at the same time and he'll have to vacate.

This was a more obvious duck, Kelly acted like he couldn't make the weight afterward which he said is why he pulled out, but he's still fighting at Welterweight. Ducks don't happen as much as people say but in this case, where there is smoke there is fire.

Champion97's picture

They would, maybe the more analytical people wouldn't think he is a ducker, but he would have gotten a lot of stick. Well in that case, why did he lose? Was Tinoco even a step up from Gill's last two opponents, 95% guaranteed he had food poisoning.

It's plausible, but I just don't buy it. I didn't know that, that is a valid point, but it still doesn't prove they ducked Avanesyan, Leonard had a pot of demands, Mayweather, Canelo, and more importantly, Roach, a lot of other trainers probably as well, trying to knock off the last 2 rounds might just have been demand they made because the fight was high enough risk that they thought they would pull some strings, that is a good point, but I just don't think, if Booth was prepared to try to Dock the rounds, he'd be prepared to do anything to give his fighter the best chance of winning, that goes in favour of what you are saying, but you have to ask, why wait until fight week, cold feet? No, I don't buy the fight would have been signed, wasn't it even after the weigh in? After the media workout, I just think illness is more likely, two valid arguments, but best give a fighter the benefit of the doubt.

What doesn't make sense to me is the timing, trainers who push for the rounds to be changed, don't advise their fighter to take a fight unless they are confident they would win, if Booth thought Kelly was too inexperienced, I don't believe the fight would have been signed. Well that's not necessarily true, just because you want the last 2 rounds knocked off doesn't mean you don't think you can win, it might just be an advantage they thought they get away with getting.

We will have to disagree, I don't believe there was any ducking, if you believe so, can't change your opinion, you have a valid argument, we will never know who is right.

Did Pacquiao duck Horn in your mind? Because he turned down that fight, showed no enthusiasm for the rematch, knew the 'robbery, Pacquiao won wide, look at Horn's face, Pacquiao nearly killed him in round 9' was rubbish. Pacquiao ducked Spence, he admitted that, out of intelligence and realism, not cowardice, Pacquiao is a boxing legend, but still, he did duck Spence and I think he ducked Horn.

Gold's picture

No he wouldn't have, no one believed Tinoco would be a challenge while many believed Avanesyan would be for Kelly. That's the difference. I don't know what happened, so I want to see them run it back.

The fight was mandated to be a twelve round fight by the WBA and Booth tried to have it changed to a ten round fight the week of the fight, they were trying to pull one over on Avanesyan by doing that. Its different than making contractual demands when the fight is signed. They likely got cold feet after they couldn't change the rounds. In this case there is a lot more smoke suggesting it was a duck by Kelly vs. Avanesyan than smoke suggesting Gill was just outskilled by Tinoco.

Maybe they thought they'd get away with changing the rounds, I don't know. Many including myself thought the fight was too early for Kelly, and Avanesyan had gone twelve while Kelly hadn't, so it is definitely a disadvantage for Kelly.

Pretty much, there is too much that is unknown about this subject.

Boxing legends on retirement tours like Pacquiao, Mayweather, whoever should be exempted from any talk about ducking. When great boxers with big names are at the end of their careers they should get to pick the fights they take, they already had their prime where they fought the best.

Champion97's picture

You underestimate how harsh some boxing fans are, they don't like fighters pulling out, whether it is a good fight or a mismatch, he wouldn't necessarily have been called a ducker, different scenario because avanesyan is better than Tinoco, but at the end of the day, you pull out that late, you lose fans. I agree, the rematch should be next, I think Gill will shut Tinoco out like Haney did.

I don't doubt they were trying to pull one over on Avanesyan, I just don't think they signed for the fight, went to the trouble of getting the 10 rounds, just to pull out at the last minute, that seems unlikely to me, I think he was ill. As I say, I don't buy it, I think there was no ducking.

True, but you have to go 12 rounds at some point, if you think Booth is that risk averse as a trainer, you might be right, but he threw Burnett into the deep end against Zhakiyanov, Avanesyan wasn't rated that highly, so I just don't buy they got cold feet. If there was ahy reason to worry about the experience, Teofimo Lopez's team will have the same problem if he faces a Mendy, or Patera (I know the latter won't happen and he already has a fight, my point is, Avanesyan would have been a great learning fight for Kelly, not too much, too soon, Avanesyan is likely not top 70, if they got cold feet, Kelly is going nowhere, because his team can't have belief he can be a world champion.

I agree, as I said as well, I never said there is element of cowardice, just that Pacqiaao did duck Spence.

Now how about Dubois vs Gorman? It seems like the heavyweight DeGale vs Groves, fighting at about 10-0, at British level. I can't believe Joyce, the one who is pushed for time, is the one fighting old, shot fighters, he needs proper learning fights more than other prospects, if he fights the winner, that's a good fight, but he was on the cusp of a Luis Ortiz fight.