Sun, 2019-04-21 11:25
DSG looked really good in this fight, it will be interesting to see if they try to freeze Top Rank and Crawford out by keeping him busy for Spence or they make a deal with Top Rank because Garcia is actually not going to be able to make Welterweight anymore.
Sun, 2019-04-21 11:56
I think Garcia beats Porter and Thurman, is the best apart from the top 2.
Sun, 2019-04-21 14:11
Maybe, but he lost to Porter only a little more than a half a year ago even if it was really close. Garcia will likely have to sit on the shelf and face contenders for a little bit if he wants to face a PBC titlist. I would like to see Garcia vs. Ugas as a title eliminator personally as it seems like it will be Spence vs. Porter and Pacquiao vs. Thurman both on PPV. Crawford vs. Garcia seems like wishful thinking to be honest.
Sun, 2019-04-21 14:29
That's what I said, both PBC, easy fight to make, both in a similar spot. I agree, I don't think Crawford has a lot of realistic options because of the network, and Besputin, Adames, maybe Brook, might be the best we can hope to see Crawford in against this year, but the Spence fight has to happen eventually. I still think Adames is his best option for an opponent, unbeaten fighter who has been impressive in his last couple of fights, training with Robert Garcia now, he's been on Crawford's undercard at least twice, not the co-main event, but I think that is his best option.
Mon, 2019-04-22 18:48
I've asked before, but how do you know Adames can make Welterweight? He hasn't since 2017. Also, if Crawford were to fight Adames he'd have to be ranked at Welterweight by the WBO first, which may mean he would have to fight at Welterweight once first. Wouldn't you rather see Crawford face Brook first? That way, Adames (if he can make the weight) and Besputin can get 1-2 more fights in before they put them in the deep end.
Tue, 2019-04-23 02:35
For a start, I don't know, it's an assumption based on Adames being listed as welterweight on Wikipedia, and he has been training with Robert Garcia, is probably able to get down to a lower weight if he has a fight at 147, would train harder, work harder to get down than for Molina or Barrera. No guarantee Adames can make 147, but the same can be said for Brook, he has been at light middleweight in his last 2 fights, I know he came down to 150 for Zerafa, he could make 149, but it is that last pound or two which is the killer, Brook admitted after the Spence fight that coming back down to 147 was too much.
I would rather see him fight Adames or Besputin because they are young, fresh fighters, and Brook is past prime, but Crawford vs Brook is not a bad match up.
Tue, 2019-04-23 04:23
I went and checked the article history on Wikipedia and he was listed as a Welterweight when the article was created in 2017 (i.e. when he was at Welterweight). Unlike Boxrec, anyone can edit on Wikipedia and there are a lot of issues with it. Like you said that is just an assumption, maybe he can make it but there isn't hard evidence to say so. He would be a very big Welterweight if he got back down to the weight. Brook has publically said he could make it back to Welterweight, to an extent the weight may have been an excuse for his performance versus Spence. Whether that means he can actually make the weight again I don't know. As you said, the last few pounds would be the hardest party, but if he's interested in the fight he must think he can.
Tue, 2019-04-23 04:47
He also publicly said he shouldn't have come back down to fight Spence, he said he would be a beast at 160, so what he says publicly means nothing. It's possible, but I don't think so, I think it was touch and go, I'm sure he could make 149, 148 maybe, but the pounds get more stubborn, I don't think Brook can make 147 again without being weight drained in the fight.
Tue, 2019-04-23 04:57
Good point, Brook is delusional. It is hard to trust what he says. Both him and Eddie seem to have an interest in the fight though. I think both of them know it is his best chance to fight for a title in any reasonable timeframe. Realistically, there is little reason why guys like Brook and Garcia should have trouble making Welterweight. Both of them are too small to be at Super Welterweight.
Tue, 2019-04-23 06:22
It's the opportunity of a lifetime, so I can't blame them. Danny Garcia moving up to 154 makes no sense, he was obviously not weight drained against Granados. Brook's problem is, he is the almost the same size he was as a 148-149lb fighter who couldn't make 147, he didn't try to build into the 154lb division, that's why he made 150 against Zerafa.
Brook's best option, if Khan would fight him, would be the Khan fight at a catchweight of 149 or 150. Khan vs Brook, certainly in this country, would sell.
Tue, 2019-04-23 08:09
Yeah, he tooled Granados which I thought was a fight that had the potential to give Garcia some issues. Brook should theoretically be able to cut a little mass and make Welterweight but I certainly wouldn't bet on it. One potential issue for Brook in the past that wouldn't happen with the Crawford fight is the IBF rehydration clause. For a guy who rehydrates a lot and barely makes the weight anyways that can be an issue.
I think Brook's best option is doing the same thing Khan did, fight Crawford and then try to make the Khan vs. Brook fight. If I am Brook I don't let the opportunity slip away to fight Crawford, Khan holds the cards in their matchup. Brook is a bad matchup for Khan and because there is so much bad blood Khan may not want to take the risk of losing.
Tue, 2019-04-23 14:24
Good point, Brook will want to be about 160, but I thought it was the IBF that had the rehydration rule, not the WBO, for the Spence fight, they had to be 157 or less. I think kf fighters have a limit, and they usually fight heavier, they can rehydrate well enough wothout being too heavy if they drink more water, early, but still, Brook would need a good 10lbs.
I agree, but the fight won't happen if Brook can't make 147, and if he doesn't get the Crawford shot, then the Khan fight at a catchweight is the best option. Possible, but Khan will go down in history as a ducker if the fight doesn't happen, the money would be good, and if you are Khan, you must think you can beat Brook now.
Tue, 2019-04-23 15:51
Yeah, that is what I meant, sorry if I didn't make it clear. It is the IBF that has the rehydration clause, but it is waived for unifications.
I agree that is the logical path for him. If Khan goes on to fight other people and Brook is available I will agree he's ducking. To me, it is kind of hard to say how far gone Brook is. Was the Zerafa fight a poor performance at least in part because he isn't taking training and the opponent as seriously? At the time Brook beat Porter, I would have said he is the best Welterweight in the world, he really wasted his career. If it was prime versus prime between Khan and Brook I would favor Brook. He's a legitimate Welterweight and more technically polished, but in their current versions, it is harder to say. He may have a better chance versus Brook now. One thing that may scare Khan off is if the Crawford fight really broke his ego. By not taking the five minutes, he quit, and I say that as someone who generally thinks positively of Khan. In every other Khan loss (except the Prescott loss) he could at least say he was outboxing his opponent.
Tue, 2019-04-23 16:09
No worries, just a very small error.
It was a combination of a lot of things, but I think size was a factor, he went down to 150, fought a natural middleweight who had cut down to 154. He was definitely up there, but 2 of the 3 opponents he fought between Porter and GGG were mandatories, nothing he could do about that, didn't need to fight Gavin, but Dan and Bizier were mandatories, he would have lost the belt if he hadn't fought them.
I would also favour Brook, Khan's chin costs him in exchanges, and timing beats speed. Not taking the 5 minutes was just stupid, Hunter should have told him to take it.
Who do you want to see Joshua fight next?
Tue, 2019-04-23 18:18
He was supposed to fight Vargas in an IBF/WBO title unification the fight after he fought Bizier in 2016. I can't remember the details of why that went under and he took the Golovkin fight after Eubank Jr. pulled out, but I believe it had to do with Brook not wanting it for some reason. Edit: Part of what I meant by Brook wasting his career is that his career was mismanaged by Warren (and Hearn to a small extent, but as I said previously, Hearn lined up the title unification). It took him nearly ten years and thirty-two fights to get his first title shot, that is nearly unheard of.
I heard Andy Ruiz threw his name in, that would be a decent opponent but I can't see that happening given Ruiz is with PBC. I still think Hunter is the guy for the job unless they've already said that won't happen. It's in-house, Hunter is in camp, he's American, and he's good enough opponent to fill in but not dangerous enough to where it is a very risky fight. If Ruiz weren't with PBC I'd rather have him to be honest.
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