Errol Spence Jr vs Mikey Garcia

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Errol Spence Jr vs Mikey Garcia
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Average: 2.8 (12 votes)

Date: 
Saturday, March 16, 2019
Location: 
AT&T Stadium, Arlington, Texas, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
147
Titles at Stake: 
IBF Welterweight World Title (Spence's 3rd defence)
Referee: 
Jon Schorle

Official Judging
Alex Levin 120 - 108
Nelson Vazquez 120 - 108
Glenn Feldman 120 - 107

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IBF welterweight champion, Errol Spence Jr (24-0), makes the 3rd defence of his title, defends the belt in his home state, takes on 4 weight world champion, Mikey Garcia (39-0). Both fighters are highly ranked, but Mikey Garcia, a heavy underdog, the former featherweight champion, a much smaller fighter than Spence. Garcia moves from lightweight to welterweight, dares to be great.

The fight starts off tentatively, Spence throws a lot more punches, throws the jab early, but Mikey defends well, has success in a close round 2, lands a good, clean left hook to the body. Spence increases his output as the rounds go on, Mikey defends well, but gets thoroughly out worked, is inactive, and Spence is able to defend well himself.

Spence is clearly the stronger and more aggressive fighter in the mid rounds, as expected, but he also seems to be a step ahead of Garcia, who keeps trying to find openings, set Spence up, but can't have any success.

In round 9, Garcia takes more clean punches than in any other round, his defence isn't what it was earlier in the fight, and Spence has him in trouble, in a very one sided round, Garcia doesn't take a bad beating, has his legs beneath him, but takes a lot of clean punches, and it is one way traffic.

Garcia keeps trying to find a way to turn it around in the late rounds, but Spence continues to be on the front foot, sustains his work rate, and Garcia can't rally.

Spence boxes a technically brilliant 12 rounds, as well as bullying the smaller fighter.

Garcia loses a one sided fight, but despite the size disadvantage, is the first fighter to take Spence the full 12.

Spence wins a shutout on all 3 cards, even gets an extra point for a very one sided round, beats Garcia by UD.




Averaged Fan Card:

round 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Errol Spence Jr
                                                                    
9.97
9.65
10
10
9.97
9.94
9.97
10
10
10
9.97
10
Mikey Garcia
                                                                    
9.02
9.37
9
9
9.02
9.05
9.02
9
8.97
9
9.02
9.02


Fan Cards: Errol Spence Jr vs Mikey Garcia


scorecard by JPRADO218
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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109


scorecard by SPORTSJINDC
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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117
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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111


scorecard by ENDOFME1994
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
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108


scorecard by ZAC.RJ
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by YOUNG KILO
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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118
MIKEY GARCIA
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110


scorecard by THEICEMANJDOG
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by PHILLYPHAN69
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by STINGEV98
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by MIKE25
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by RAPID
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by EYE ON THE RING AVERAGES 85
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by POWERPUNCHER999
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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109


scorecard by NF82
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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109


scorecard by MINIMAXBOXING
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by PREMIER BOXING CHAMPIONS
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by GOOSU
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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109


scorecard by ARJ GUY
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by CHIN
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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118
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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110


scorecard by GUY INCOGNITO
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by GOLD
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by BESTINTHEWORLD2013
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by NAGABILLY
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by PETIEROACH
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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109


scorecard by ADAMJO260
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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10
10
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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109


scorecard by OTURN10
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by ONLY1
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by THEALTERPLACE
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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108


scorecard by HAGLERGOAT
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
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108


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
9
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
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109


scorecard by ALBERTOCASTANY
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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117
MIKEY GARCIA
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111


scorecard by JONISSIMO
Round
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
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108


scorecard by JHTERAN
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ERROL SPENCE JR
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
10
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109


scorecard by TJK146114
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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119
MIKEY GARCIA
9
10
9
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109


scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
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ERROL SPENCE JR
10
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10
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120
MIKEY GARCIA
9
9
9
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108


Comments

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Spence was the slightly better amateur, might have the best win between them with the Brook victory, but Garcia is a 4-weight world champion, he has had 39 fights, he is an absolute veteran, he's had 7 world title fights, so he is more experienced overall.

Garcia has never taken a sustained beating, been down once or twice like most fighters are, but he's fresh for his age, he has had a lot of fights, but he has not been in any very damaging fights, and the most bother we've seen him in was when his nose was smashed by a head clash. Garcia is consistent in the gym, is always there, training camps are gruelling, but less so when the fighter starts camp in shape. 31 isn't necessarily old in this era, and I think age, for Garcia, isn't an issue yet. I doubt there's an age factor in this fight, because neither fighter is old, neither fighter is inexperienced, but Mikey has an experience edge.

The reason why this one isn't the fight everyone wants to see, is the size aspect. Garcia is 5'6, has a reach of 68, was a world champion at 126, made 130 at 26, is strong, agile, hits hard at 135, has fought at 140 a few times, and since his long layoff, out of the 5 fights he's had, his best performances have been his 2 fights at 135, because at 140, Garcia is still agile, strong, but less so than at 135. Spence is 5'9, has a reach of 72, has fought at light middle a lot in his career, has even had one fight at middle, is a big welter, I don't think Spence could get below 145, and he has mentioned moving up before, going up to fight Canelo, as Garcia is doing against him now. At some point in 2012, and 2013, Mikey was fighting at feather, and Spence was fighting at light middle.

I think this will be a great fight, it will go the distance, but Garcia will win, it will be very close, but Mikey will win. I think Spence is great, and I would not be at all surprised if he won, he has a big size advantage, but it is very easy to underestimate an opponent, I think Garcia's career, legacy, depends on this fight, I think he knows none of his performances since he came back from his layoff have been him at his 100% best, and he wants to prove to the world that he is a special fighter, he has been through a lot, trained in tough conditions.

At 147, Spence is strong, dangerous, has great stamina, but Mikey, at 147, can't carry his power up, he won't be a non-puncher, but the natural power he has, will be badly compromised, he will carry unnatural weight, which doesn't give you power, and he will be hitting a naturally bigger opponent than he's ever hit before. I think in terms of strength and stamina, Mikey will do great at 147, because of how well he's done the weight, people will be surprised, but he won't hit anywhere as hard as he did at 135.

Mikey has been out for 8 months, not too much time out, probably the perfect amount, given that he has done 12 rounds 3 times in a row. Spence comes off 9 months out, not much longer than Garcia, but he didn't get taken into round 2, he hasn't been inactive, beat Brook in 17, fought twice in 18, looked great against Peterson, went 7 rounds, but 9 months might be slightly too long, and it will be 14 months between going past 1 round, which is not great.

I think Mikey will start well, Spence isn't the fastest starter, and Mikey is a great fundamental boxer, might the be the best basic boxer in the world.

I think Spence, early, will struggle with Garcia's ability to blast the 1, 2 through the guard, without even the first shot getting fully blocked.

I think Garcia will win the jab battle (that will be interesting because of Spence's reach advantage), and will out box Spence, use feints well, set Spence up and counter him, he'll just be one step ahead for the most part in the early rounds.

I think in the mid rounds, Spence will really impose his strength on Garcia, walk him down, will be frustrated, but he'll walk through Garcia's power.

When they are on the inside, I think Spence will attack the body, and that will sap a lot out of Garcia, but Spence will keep taking more than he is landing in exchanges.

I think after 8 rounds, Garcia will start to tire, and at that point, Spence will really come on strong, hurt Garcia, might drop him, but Garcia will be prepared to survive by being smart and killing time, or more likely gritting it out and fighting his way out of trouble.

Mikey will still have some power, and if Spence has him hurt, is trying to go for the finish, Garcia can recover quickly, and if Spence gets reckless, walks into one, Garcia can hurt him with a clean counter, but I don't think Mikey will be able to do anywhere near as much damage as Spence because he is too small.

I think Garcia beats Spence by SD, 112-115, 113-114, 115-112.

Mikey should be commended for taking this fight, the pressure is not on him to win, he is not expected to, probably 90% think he will lose, but he has to be respected, win or lose.

The pressure is on Spence, he can't overlook Mikey, size advantage or not, he's fighting a more experienced fighter who is not old, not declining yet, who will have a great game plan, and a fighter who has seen something in his work in the ring which is sloppy, he's seen a weakness, and Spence can't know what Garcia has seen, what he plans on exploiting, so Spence has to be adaptable. Spence should get immense credit if he wins this, because that would be a great win, size advantage or not, because a fighter who is not great, doesn't beat Garcia unless his size advantage is much more than this.

So I came to check the thread and noticed you deleted all my comments!? Why?
Anyways, it was a total mismatch and complete domination from Spence like I'd predicted, Mikey was in survival mode the entire fight so the only credit I give him is the chin and endurance he has.

So competitive for Mikey. Your bubu almost won girl, yayyy

I love Garcia. Spence is far from perfect and this could be a lot closer than people are expecting. But he's is too willing to brawl and walk through fire to be a good pick against a bigger boxer who is probably one of the best P4P in terms of one shot power. Mikey takes some early rounds but takes damage in the middle rounds and slows down late. Spence UD

Gold's picture

RIP Mickey

Champion97's picture

Nah man, he did himself proud, he was just in against an exceptional fighter.

Gold's picture

I disagree, this was close to the worst scenario for Mikey, he did very little effective work and ended up with a survival mission. Spence's skills looked good but the length and size of Spence was the main factor as far as I could tell.

Champion97's picture

Not a survival mission, he was coming forward, happy to take punches and stay in the deep end, he was looking for an opening, but he Spence controller the distance brilliantly, he couldn't find an opening, he gave it his best shot.

This was always a win/win for Mikey, he just went 12 against Spence, who has never been taken 11, is avoided, he took a chance, took a risk champions have to take, but he was out classed and beaten up because a great big'n will always beat a great little'n, and Spence is probably better than Mikey, hard to put a shut out, great technical performance 100% down to a size advantage.

Gold's picture

He had to come forward at times to keep Spence off of him which allowed him to survive. That's the problem that people who predicted Mikey didn't see, Spence is a good technical fighter and it was going to be really hard for Mikey to work in and out of range versus someone that much larger and more powerful. People were saying Mikey was in the low 150's to fight a big guy like Spence at Welterweight, that just isn't going to cut it. Crawford was 152 lbs versus Gamboa at Lightweight.

The fight definitely could have been stopped by Mikey's corner, again it was a survival mission once it got into the later rounds. The fact Spence is avoided is a testament to how much Thurman and Porter want to protect their records and belts. How sad is it that Spence is likely going to face Pacquiao because Thurman and Porter are nowhere to be found? No one said it was 100% due to size advantage, but Mikey definitely had a lot of difficulties countering and getting past Spence's jab because of the size.

Champion97's picture

It was not a survival mission, we will not agree on that. I would explain a few of the reaosns I say it was not a survival mission but what's the point? Agree to disagree.

Porter can't sell out a family dinner, haha. I wonder if the Crawford fight could happen, but I doubt Thurman or Porter fight him.

Well some people did, it is the reason Mikey was even an underdog at all, it is the reason why it isn't Garcia vs Loma or Spence vs Crawford, it was definitely a big factor last night, but not the only difference, and Spence deserves a lot of credit for that. What impressed me what Spence's control of the distance, Mikey couldn't find the right range, not something a size advantage helps you with, not when it comes to precise judgement of distance, and Spence did that very well.

Gold's picture

Agree to disagree.

I think it will happen as long as Spence can keep making Welterweight, both guys are moving in the right direction to make it happen. I think they will fight Spence eventually but Porter should be fighting Spence next. Pacquiao isn't what he once was, he'll do better than Mikey but I can't see how he beats Spence.

Mikey closed as a +230 underdog after the odds narrowed significantly, a vocal minority of fans and analysts picked Mikey to win as well. People legitimately thought he could win or at least make it very close. I agree Spence did well to control the distance which stopped Mikey before he could even get started, but he wouldn't be able to do that versus someone who can jab with him at range such as Crawford.

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He made not only 147 but 146.25, so he can't have been so tight at the weight that he is at his limit. I think it is the biggest fight to be made in boxing, it would be awesome. I don't think he'd NECESSARILY do better than Mikey because I don't think he would go the distance, but although size wise Pacquiao and Mikey are similar (both natural lightweights and not naturally big lightweights), Pacquiao has a lot more welterweight experience.

Yes, but he was still an underdog, and really Spence, before last night a possible great fighter but less proven than a Canelo, Usyk, even Crawford or Lomachencko, so part of that was some people questioning if Spence was as good as he had been made to look, and he proved he was every bit as good or better. I thought he could, I was wrong, full credit to Spence, he was too big, but also too good.

One thing I want to point out is the stance aspect, now although I'm not the biggest advocate of 'styles make fights', one thing that is stylistic and definitely a factor is stances, and Mikey hasn't fought a southpaw in 2 years, Spence is used to fighting orthodox opponents, came off at least 5 consecutive fights against orthodoxes, and of course Mikey is an orthodox, but against Crawford, different story, because he's a southpaw, and although Horn, Benavidez are orthodoxes, Indongo, Diaz, are southpaws, so Crawford is more adapted to fighting opponents who are also southpaw, than Spence is.

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It isn't that he is in danger of missing weight, but aging and doing big cuts over and over is going to see him move up, how far that is in the future I don't know. Joshua vs. Wilder and the Canelo vs. Golovkin trilogy are bigger fights, but Crawford vs. Spence definitely is the most intriguing fight that can be made. If Pacquiao won a few rounds but got stopped on his stool late in the fight I would say that is better. Brook got stopped and did better than Mikey because he won rounds and had success. Pac is faster than Mikey both in terms of hand and foot speed and has awkward timing which will give him a better chance to get in and out versus Spence.

That's true, and also with the size advantage, it was harder for Mikey to get in the right position to kickstart his offense. Mikey doesn't have that versatility that Crawford has, Crawford would be able to give Spence a lot of different looks by switching stances, moving, and making it hard for Spence to land with power.

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I agree, people don't realise how tough and toll taking making weight is when it is below your natural weight class, Spence is probably a natural light middleweight, probably naturally about the same size as Canelo. I don't think Canelo vs Golovkin III is bigger than those 2 or even Lomachencko vs Mikey or Tank, not that the first one wasn't a super fight, but people know about age in boxing and why the fight is not the 50/50 fight it was before, it isn't what it was for the same reason the Joshua vs Klitschko rematch wasn't anything special, because the older fighter, on the decline, if he loses the first one, unlikely he will win the second, not impossible, Ali beat Spinks in the rematch, but that was a very different scenario.

I agree he did better, Brook, but he didn't have the big size disadvantage and fought a less experienced Spence, that Brook fight was the making of him, it was the learning fight he needed. I agree, but he is easier to counter than Mikey, less defensively good, Pacquiao would give more and take more than Mikey because he is less of a thinking fighter. I think Pacquiao being so much more experienced at welterweight than Mikey is the main reason he might well do better than Mikey did, but also he is a southpaw.

Mikey used his jab well for 2 rounds, I thought he was boxing very well, but when Spence started to win the jab battle and control the distance, technically get the better of Mikey, he took over the fight, but yes, he couldn't back up Spence, couldn't take full advantage of openings because of his size disadvantage.

I don't know, Mikey is versatile, but maybe not as much as Crawford, and although he did well, won world titles at 2 weights, after he came back in 2016, he was still out for the same amount of time Tyson fury was out for, it is what Tony Bellew said when he fought David Haye, boxing is not a sport you can take long breaks from.

That is very true, Crawford does move, never walks into punches, makes it hard for his opponent to land with power, but that is something Spence did very well against Mikey.

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Spence is a big Welterweight but his size is a little exaggerated by most. Canelo is more filled out, if Canelo fought Spence right now it wouldn't be too far off from Spence vs. Mikey. Canelo vs. Golovkin II sold 1.1 million PPVs which is a huge number, there is a reason why DAZN is putting up all this money to set up the trilogy because it makes a ton of financial sense. People will buy DAZN if the trilogy happens, I don't think many people will not watch because they didn't like the results of the first two fights. It will be interesting to see how Spence vs. Mikey did for PPV buys, maybe I'd be wrong but I would be surprised if Crawford vs. Spence can have as much success as Canelo vs. Golovkin. I agree it isn't the 50/50 the first fight was because of aging, Golovkin can still win of course but Canelo is the favorite going into the third fight.

I think Pacquiao's movement and awkwardness would give Spence more trouble offensively than Mikey who is a very fundamentally sound defensive fighter for the reason I spoke on before, that it will make Spence have to move and he won't be able to plant his feet as easily as he did versus Mikey. Pacquiao is just a better athlete than Mikey which has allowed him to jump weights, Mikey could fight at Welterweight for the rest of his career and I don't think he would ever be able to carry the speed he had at Lightweight up to Welterweight as Pacquiao did.

I don't think that matters as much as people say, it just depends on how the layoff goes and where the layoff occurs in their career. Leonard was off nearly three years before beating Hagler and had only one fight in over five years. Tapia was off for over four years as a prospect and went on to have a Hall of Fame career. I don't think the layoff affected Mikey to be honest. If anything he is better than he was before.

This is something I believe even Mikey himself has talked about before, that when Crawford faces the top guys at Welterweight he's going to move and box more to point guys as he did versus Postol.

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I agree, he isn't a natural middleweight, he is a natural light middleweight, still, same for Canelo, and Canelo has had to build his way up to 160, but I suppose he might be naturally bigger because he couldn't make 147 and Spence fights at that weight. I very much disagree on that, Spence is much closer to Canelo's size than Mikey's, Mikey was a champion at 126, Spence is probably a division below Canelo, but Mikey is a good two divisions below Spence, he didn't even seem that physically strong at 140, Mikey. I suppose the second fight was a classic, was very close.

I think it is a combination of Pacquiao (possibly partly due to being Asian), handled the weight much better than Mikey, but I think Mikey would have been better had he fought at 147 first, still, we've seen Broner at 147, time and time again and he hasn't done as well as Pacquiao at 147.

It makes a difference (in or out the gym), sure, but like Ray Mancini said a couple of months back when talking about Thurman, you cannot be out for 2 years and be at your best.

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This is just repeating discussions we have had before, but Canelo couldn't make Super Welterweight again, he's a full fledged Middleweight. Wouldn't be that far off from Spence vs. Mikey in terms of competitiveness, Canelo would wreck Spence. Mikey's performance makes Loma seem smart for not wanting fights versus Pacquiao and Crawford, there is a point where the size is just too much.

That is baseless to say about Pacquiao vs. Mikey handling the weight better. I agree Mikey would look better if he took tuneup fights but realistically his weight cap is below Welterweight. As you said, Mikey didn't seem that physically strong at Super Lightweight either.

Not immediately, but with time they can get their level back or become even better if the layoff isn't too negative.

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He's adapted to Middleweight, has speed, strength, stamina at the weight, but he isn't a natural middleweight. Alvarez could make 156 if he put himself through a weight cut, might be able to get down to 154, possibly, but he could land himself in hospital, I agree, Alvarez has adapted to 160, is strong at the weight. I strongly disagree, Spence has what it takes to beat Alvarez, if he moves up, he wins that fight in my opinion, Spence, he is not that much smaller than Alvarez. Yes, that's why you see 5 weight world champions, one 6 weight world champion, most fighters can cut a division or even 2 at a push, below their natural weight class, and they can also build a certain amount of muscle and maintain their speed, stamina, agility, move up a couple of divisions

What's baseless?, Pacquiao has handled the weight better than Mikey would is what I said.

Tyson Fury returns on June 15 at the Thomas and Mack Center, don't know what happened to the Rivas fight, if that fight doesn't happen, realistically, who do you want to see him fight?

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He isn't a big Middleweight but he is a natural Middleweight given he logically filled out after fighting at Super Welterweight from age 20 to 27. A lot of guys are just getting to title or title contention level around the time Canelo moved up. If Canelo vs. Spence happens any time soon, which it won't, Spence would get beat badly. You just watched Canelo beat Golovkin. Golovkin is a natural Middleweight with a big punch, elite jab, and iron chin. Golovkin got backed up by Canelo, couldn't sit down on or land power punches like he usually did because he was being backed up, Canelo has fantastic upper body movement and the threat of Canelo's counters. Canelo would be able to do the same versus Spence but with much more success, Spence isn't as big as Golovkin, doesn't have the same power, jab or chin that Golovkin has. Most fighters cannot cut a division below their natural weight class because so much emphasis is put on big weight cuts to come in as big as possible on fight night, most fighters cannot go up in weight easily, which is why it is such a rare feat to be a legitimate four plus weight champion.

It is baseless to imply that it has anything to do with Pacquiao's race versus Mikey's.

I don't know why they can't make the Rivas fight now. It won't be anyone good, even asking for Kubrat Pulev would likely be too much.

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In my opinion, Spence is better than Canelo, but he wouldn't win at 160, not enough experience at 154 and no recent experience above 147, Canelo obviously can't make 147, and making 154 might too big and ask, not saying it will or should happen, but if Canelo somehow made 154, rehydrated fine (not saying he could), that would be a 50/50 fight and I would favour Spence. At 160, I think Canelo would be too much for Spence, it wouldn't be close, but it would still be a great fight.

Floyd Mayweather said a few years ago that Canelo and Spence would be the top 2 in the world, possible he was right.

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Well, you are not providing any explanation to why you think that, but you are entitled to your opinion I suppose.

I don't think Spence will ever be a top two pound for pound fighter personally and he isn't currently (I have him sixth), but knowing the way Floyd thinks that doesn't surprise me he said that. I really hope Crawford vs. Spence happens in the next two years because I strongly believe Crawford will outbox Spence and shock a lot of people who underrate him/overrate Spence.

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Darn right I'm entitled to my opinion pal, I'm not the only one who thinks that, there is no particular reason to think Spence wouldn't achieve what Canelo has given the chance.

I think Spence simply does most things better than Canelo, I think he hits harder (in his own right, he wouldn't hit Canelo harder at 160), has better stamina, controls the distance better, has a better jab, works the body very well, he doesn't seem to work the body as well as Canelo, doesn't seem to have as much variety, but he is a counter puncher, has more technical skill than his style makes him look like he does, his defence is very good. Both are great fighters, I rank Spence higher than Canelo, you don't, fair enough, but my opinion is not controversial, Spence shut Mikey out and beat him technically, was one step ahead of him, beat him at his own game, out timed him, he is a very dominant fighter.

Respect your opinion, but I disagree. Crawford is one of the best, I agree he is underrated if anything. In my opinion, Crawford vs Spence is 50/50, two best in the world. Also bear in mind that Crawford is a couple of crucial years older than Spence, and Crawford is an adapted welterweight, not too small a welterweight, but Spence is a big welterweight.

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There are a lot of reasons to believe Spence won't achieve it. Spence is older than Canelo and Canelo has fought in fourteen world title fights, if he retired today he would be in the HOF. Canelo has proven it and Spence hasn't, to say Spence could get a signature win is predicting rather than talking about something that actually happened.

Even if I assume all of that is true, which it isn't, it doesn't matter. It is all well and good to say this about a Welterweight, but remember you said the same thing about Mikey. Went down a list of things Mikey, a Lightweight, did better than Spence, and it didn't matter because he lost every round versus Spence. Mikey had little chance versus Spence, it is not as surprising as people are making it out to be that Spence controlled the distance and jabbed a much smaller fighter which is why it is annoying people are overrating Spence strictly because he beat Mikey. Spence did his job well, credit to him in that respect, but he was supposed to win the fight convincingly.

That's why I said if the fight happens in the next two years. Spence won't be a career Welterweight anyways, he will be moving up sooner rather than later.

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Like what? What weaknesses do you see from Spence? So what?, Canelo has had a phenomenal amount of opportunities that Crawford, Usyk, haven't. I know he would, he is definitely a great fighter, but I think Spence is better. I know, but that doesn't matter, when it comes to opinions, it is self explanatory that there is no definite answer, Spence is unbeaten and there is no reason to think he can't achieve what Canelo has achieved, he doesn't have his resume and he hasn't proven to be as good as Canelo, therefore, it is all about whether you think Spence would do better than Canelo against Golovkin (if they were the same size), whether you think he is better and hasn't proven it, there is no reliable argument that Spence is either better or worse than Canelo, but I understand that when it comes to official rankings, the fighter with the resume to back him up gets the benefit of the doubt. It isn't that Spence could well be better than Canelo just because he is unbeaten, but it is his dominance and ease against guys like Mikey and weaker, and against Brook after those 6 rounds he had which were tough probably more because of inexperience than anything else.

What isn't true?

I was wrong on that fight, I was not the only one, I've been right before, I've been wrong before, I believed Mikey would edge Spence, so Spence must be better than I thought, I might have overestimated Mikey or at least his ability to move up to 147 and win, but Spence is better than I thought.

It is surprising that for ring IQ, reactions, timing, he was a step ahead of Mikey and beat him in the departments Mikey was confident he could beat Spence in, you can't call that annoying, act as if Spence gets too much credit when he shut out Mikey Garcia. That was an easy fight for Spence. Nobody expected him to do that well technically, at let's not forget that it isn't just the Garcia win, he made absolute punch bags out of Algieri, Bundu, Peterson, he moved up to that level and it did not get more difficult, he absolutely dominated Kell after 6 rounds in a tough learning fight, he has been tabbed to be every but as good as Canelo by a lot of people with first hand boxing experience that we don't have, I ranked Spence well within the top 10 before he beat Mikey, and so did a lot of other people.

Ok, but if the fight happens this year, a 29 year old has a slight but definite age advantage over a 32 year old, and although Crawford is strong at 147 as I said he would be after a couple of fights to adapt to the weight, he will still struggle with big welterweights.

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This is just the same old forms of discussions I've already been through with you, I'm not going to repeat them again.

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Mikey looked bloated. He started to counter Spence like it was expected, but he looked too heavy for his frame. During the course of the fight it looked like he struggled, not with Spence, but with his own weight.

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I thought size played less of a factor in this fight than I expected, Spence was just the superior boxer in every facet. Spence upped himself to top 3 p4p with this performance for me - I see almost all big time fights for him from here on out.

Mikey should go back down to atleast super lightweight and build himself back up again. This was a brutal loss. Would be amazing if he somehow took ivan baranchyk's spot in the SuperSeries though.

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I wouldn't say Spence was a superior boxer. I'd say it was more about mikey having a disadvantage. During the first half of the fight, you could see Mikey was pulling some nice counters on Spence, but his movement was very compromised.

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Does Mikey usually get that baffled by southpaws? I haven't seen enough of his fights prior to this and I also thought he had a tough time with that factor

And I think the reach and size disadvantage played a part in this fight to a point but Spence simply outboxed him clearly

I think you're giving Spence too little credit here. He was going up to high in weight, but Spence still fought a brilliant fight.

He used his reach perfectly, and used his footwork to make Mikey miss constantly. Not to mention he knew how and when to apply pressure. Even then he was very defensively proficient.

It's like I said from the start, Mikey didn't have the speed to beat Spence, or the power and his boxing IQ didn't measure up to much here either.

He had some trouble at 140 too, so maybe he needs to stick to where he belongs naturally at 135.

He's never had very sharp defense, and when fighting heavier opponents it's too dangerous.

At least at 135, it's people about his size or smaller.

I give him full credit for having the guts to take this fight but it was a stupid move.

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Merit where is due. Spence improved his jab. But it still looked like it was more about not growing into a welterweight properly by Mikey.

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I don't think he is giving Spence too much credit, because he boxed a better fight than any of us thought he would.

Maybe it was a little bit stupid, but boxers are crazy people, they don't always think logically, they take risks, and Mikey believed he could win, he took the chance, he tried his best, no shame in being beaten by the better fighter.

Don't lump everyone of us together. Some of us expected Spence to dominate this fight. I thought Mikey would win an early round or two at best. What I am most surprised about is that Mikey survived the full 12 rounds. He must have an iron chin.

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What I mean is, most people didn't think Spence would box that well technically against Garcia, not saying most people didn't think he'd win or even dominate, I just mean he boxed better technically.

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I agree, I think a lot of people tricked themselves into thinking Mikey was going to win when the factors on paper pointed to Spence.

No excuses, Mikey didn't have them so why would you. He couldn't do anything against Spence other than survive for 12 rounds, he didn't even win 1 and his brother was about to throw in the towel.

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Great performance from Errol Spence Jr!
Mikey Garcia did himself proud, he showed a lot of heart, and he has balls to move up to 147 to fight Spence in the first place, but he got out classed and beaten up, because he was in against the much bigger and probably better fighter. What surprised me in this fight was the technical ability from Spence, he controlled range brilliantly, and when Mikey landed a clean shot, Spence was able to roll with the shot to take sting off it, he is a great technical fighter.

Spence vs Crawford has to happen, they both need it, but promotional issues might get in the way, hopefully, the fight will happen this year or next, and if it does, that's one of the, if not the biggest fight in boxing.

Mikey might retire, he is a 4-weight world champion, he is not improving, he has nothing to prove, but he might not want to go out on a loss, he shouldn't stay at 147, making 135 is a big ask, but he could make 140, there are potential fights there for him, only problem with that is, Hooker is with Top Rank, and Prograis, Taylor, are in the WBSS.

I predicted a close Spence win but certainly not the shut out that we witnessed. What I didn't anticipate is just how disciplined Spence would be in the first half of the first, happy to keep it long, keep Mikey at the end of his jab and frustrate him. He forced Mikey to take risks that he didn't want to take if he remotely wanted to have a chance. I think that's why Mikey was so inactive, he knew that he'd get hit hard if he came into range.

I thought both fighters came out with credit. Spence showed his skills and how well he can judge distance. Mikey got dominated almost every second of every round but showed incredible heart to hear the bell. As for gold saying it was a survival mission, my interpretation of that is that it was a survival mission from perhaps round 9 onwards. He had no chance of winning at that point.

On my last prediction before the fight I talked about what point Mikey would feel Spence's power and if early, may put him in a bit of a shell. I think that did happen early.

On another note, I realise boxing is subjective but I'm absolutely shocked that anyone could give Mikey a round other than the 2nd, which was the only one that you could say was competitive.

I predicted that it was gonna be a mismatch and it certainly was. Mikey didn’t do anything other than survive for 12 rounds. I give him credit for taking the fight but at the same time he didn’t perform like some people thought he would. It was clear that he didn’t deserve to be in a ring with Spence, I hope he moves back to 135 because at 140 is gonna be very hard for him to beat the likes of Pograis, Taylor, Baranchyk, etc

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No, 140 is more realistic, he put on 6-8 lbs of muscle, it will be very hard for him to get down to 135. Don't exaggerate just because you don't like Mikey. Mikey can beat anyone at 140, the problem is, Top Rank, and the WBSS, his best hope is if Baranchyk leaves the tournament.

Dude who said I didn’t like Mikey! You seriously must have a crush on him. Be realistic, you first said Mikey was gonna beat Spence, then considered Spence better than Canelo and moreover you deleted al the thread because it made you look dumb. Have some decency and know how to interact wth others who have other opinions and points of view. All I said
was how I think the fight was gonna be a mismatch and you bashed me for it. I was clearly right so accept it

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'You seriously must have a crush on him', then it's 'have some decency and know how to interact with others', hypocritical, derogatory.

'Good, competitive fight for 6-7 rounds, but it's a mismatch', that's a contradiction, 'I would not be surprised if he got stopped mid, but my prediction is he wins', is not a contradiction, again, hypocrite.

So Mikey runs from a chinny super featherweight Gamboa but has the guts to fight Spence? Seems unlikely, Mikey quit vs Salido?, well he didn't quit against Spence, he didn't quit against Saldio, he got his nose broke, the doctor advised his brother to stop the fight, so he did, you moron.

You deleted them because you are a punk and sore loser who knows nothing about boxing and cannot stand other's opinions. Who do you think you are? I know you have a crush on Mikey and that is okay but do not twist shit and make false accusations to make your point valid. Get off Mikey's dick you stupid clown

You deleted them because you are a punk and sore loser who knows nothing about boxing and cannot stand other's opinions. Who do you think you are? I know you have a crush on Mikey and that is okay but do not twist shit and make false accusations to make your point valid. Get off Mikey's dick you stupid clown

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You are seriously a frenzy bitch. Mikey's hoe per se ;)

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How's Mikey feeling girll

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Dumbass is what you are that's why you picked Mikey and I won big money on Spence you punk