I don't know what's the real level of jarrell miller what do you think?
Fringe world level I would say. I think he's likely to be a top 10 Heavyweight but probably the lower part of the top 10.
I have him 10th currently. Lack of depth in terms of guys ready to challenge. Only 10-12 guys to be world or contender level currently, another 6-10 prospects nearing that level, and a whole lot of opponents otherwise.
Low, the fact he is a bottom of the top 10 Heavyweight shows how bad the depth of the division is. They sorely need guys like Joyce, Hgrovic, Yoka, etc to pan out.
Depth of the division isn't bad in my opinion, not the best, but I think Miller, Whyte, Ortiz, Parker, Povetkin are all good enough that it isn't fair to say it is a weak division outside the top 3. The next generation look promising, I rate Dubois, Gorman, Joyce very highly.
All of those guys can be pretty easily criticized, when you look at divisions with good depth there are contenders that can potentially become a champion. Can't say that about any of those guys.
what do you think of yoka?
I saw his first fight versus Clark but haven't seen any other fights. Didn't think much of it as it was only his first fight, he did what he needed to do. Is the Allen fight his best one so far to watch?
cleary yeah you can also watch his fight against rice
I'm french and I have a lot of expectation about him
One thing I will say about him is a lot of people thought his Olympic decisions were questionable. I assume he is a draw in France and I heard he may fight Duhaupas in France but if he wants to make it big he's going to have to leave France. Duhaupas is a good step up for him but it will be hard for him to get the fights he needs and develop properly just fighting in France.
I think the only fight who was realy close was vs hergovic in semi( I have Yoka win this one) there's nothing scandalous in his victory there is a lot of decision in the history of olympic boxing who are more questionable then this. I'm not sure that he has to fight outside france to improuve because a lot of money was put on him ^by french tv and promoters this is the first time in history of french boxing that there is so munch financial means on the table.
I haven't seen the fights myself, just repeating what I have heard. I've heard people say Joshua vs. Savon was worse though which I have seen. Who do you think he should fight after Duhaupas then assuming that fight happens?
I would like to see him against chisora because it's exacly the type of fighter he needs to improve
'A champion' is ambiguous, but I think I get what you are saying. I think they are all more tha good enough to win world titles and defend them a few times, and there are a lot good potential match ups to be made, I mean, there are probably a good 10, good world level fighters there. I agree to an extent, let's say Whyte is 4th, he probably isn't as good as any of the top 5 at 175 or 147, but I don't think it is a weak division.
it's alway the same problems there is many big HW who are hard hiters but there's not so munch guys with tchenichal skills and good footwork
I think Miller beats everyone outside the top 3, he unbeaten at the end of the day, unproven as top 5, unproven as not top 5. Miller is the best body puncher, strongest and best pressure fighter in the division, and he will give Joshua a great fight.
Fair enough. To be clear, I believe Miller would beat all but 3 of the heavyweights out there, but he should not be ranked top 4 in the official rankings, and he should not get a world title shot before Whyte, and as we agreed, Pulev.
I don't think so I think he is 7 at best
We will see.
in heavyweights propect there is also a turkish guy ali eren demirezen
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