Devin Haney vs Xolisani Ndongeni Scorecard by Gold


scorecard by GOLD
Round
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3
4
5
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Total
DEVIN HANEY
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
100
XOLISANI NDONGENI
9
8
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
89

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Gold's picture

I would have liked to have seen Haney get the stoppage, but he still has a while to develop the strength he'll need at the highest level.

SalTnutZ1's picture

Who do you think is closer to a title shot, and who has the higher ceiling, between him, Lopez, and Ryan Garcia?

Gold's picture

I think Lopez and Haney are likely to be world champions and have the potential to be great fighters. I don't know if Garcia is likely to be a world champion, he is a lot rawer and has a lot further to go before he is ready for a title fight. I would be surprised if Garcia challenged for a title in 2019 while Lopez and Haney could realistically challenge for titles by the end of the year. For Lopez one potential path that doesn't involve Lomachenko is to fight Commey assuming he wins the vacant title. Lopez isn't ranked by the IBF at the moment but DiBella has been doing more business with Top Rank as of late, so it seems to be at least somewhat possible. Like we have discussed, Lopez needs to face a durable opponent that can give him rounds. He has never gone past six which is a testament to his power but also is a disadvantage. Haney has an advantage in this area going ten rounds multiple times. One interesting thing Haney has said is that he can fight at Super Featherweight for a title. If that's true, he could potentially fight Farmer, but it seems like Farmer's DAZN contract will be up by the end of the year and then DiBella will target the Davis unification. Again, the winner of the vacant IBF Lightweight title would be a good potential target for Haney who is ranked by the IBF. Another potential route for Haney and Lopez could be the WBC title if Mikey vacates it. Haney has a good ranking and there is a chance Mikey may not fight at Lightweight again.

Gold's picture

Loma is apparently signed to fight the vacant IBF title winner, so that title is no longer a possibility for either guy.

SalTnutZ1's picture

They really want him as undisputed champ don't they? Do you think there is a possibility, should he win his next fight, and unify the IBF most likely, that him and Lopez go end of 2019 or beginning of 2020? Seems the only way the kid gets an early title shot, short of WBC being vacated, or him moving up in weight, which I don't think is optimal. I know there is no rush, but they(both his team and TR) seem like they really want to fast track him. Am I misreading the tea leaves?

Gold's picture

It just makes the most business sense overall to target the IBF winner. They are the best opponent and it allows Top Rank to control another belt. If Mikey doesn't stay at Lightweight it is possible he could become undisputed. I don't think Top Rank will feed Lopez to Lomachenko in a year or less for the reason I explained previously, I don't think it makes business sense for Top Rank to put such a highly regarded prospect up against a pound for pound fighter in their first title attempt. In general, I just can't see something like that happening regardless of who the promoter is. It is theoretically possible he could get a WBC title shot, Campbell is the mandatory right now but I think Mikey could vacate. Historically, Top Rank hasn't worked a lot with the WBC, but Gvozdyk became the WBC mandatory and then WBC champion os it is possible. I don't really know how Crolla fits into Lomachenko's schedule given that Crolla is the WBA mandatory, but I'd much rather see Crolla vs. Lopez than Lomachenko vs. Crolla. I'm not super down on him fighting Jose Ramirez though, I definitely think if he keeps developing that is a winnable fight for him even if Lightweight is his optimal weight. What are your reservations about him moving up if the opportunity presents itself?

SalTnutZ1's picture

It’s not him necessarily that gives me reservations. I just think the depth at 140 is better than it is at 135, and thus fewer opportunities to compete for a title if he moves up soon, as many are either tied in the WBSS, or with other promotions. I don’t think they’d feed him to Loma either, but at some point, short of one of the 2 moving up, I just don’t know how long they’d want to shelve the kid with keep busy fights, or how long he’d be willing to wait. You think he has a better chance at a title at 140 with that depth, that very well could include Mikey very soon? I know he needs rounds to show he can go into deep waters against the top tier at either division, just not sure who will be able to give him those, that isn’t a top tier gatekeeper/challenger quality fighter. What do you think he should do? Stay in the hopes of getting a shot at Loma, or move up should the opportunity present itself?

Gold's picture

Yeah, the depth is better at Super Lightweight, but a fight with Ramirez is promotionally very possible and much more winnable than versus Lomachenko. Lopez still has 1-2 fights before title level, so he has a little bit of time to wait and see how things play out. I don't think Mikey will be trying to unify the Super Lightweight division which would include him facing some high risk and low reward fighters. I think if Lopez fights someone like Beltran, Mendy, or Crolla in the next two fights that would be a good benchmark to see if he can go some rounds. Overall, I think he should just wait and play it by ear, an opportunity will present itself for someone of his skill level that is being marketed the way he is.

SalTnutZ1's picture

You think they give him that shot, or hold that belt to fight Prograis, or the winner of the WBSS.

With Mikey, I’m merely guessing what his next move is. Should he beat Spence, which I think is extremely unlikely due to size and Spence’s body work, I doubt he stays at 147. Seems like he would be unlikely to go back to 135 for anyone other than Loma, so I just assumed 140 would be his landing point. Some of those guys have end up at 147 by that time, potentially opening that division up some.

You think the WBSS finishes? I keep hearing about financial issues, and would have assumed we would have heard some dates and venues by now.

Gold's picture

Yes, Ramirez and Lopez are both with Top Rank so it would be an easy in-house fight to make which is a Top Rank specialty. I also saw that Linares will likely sign with Top Rank after his upcoming fight and will likely fight Ramirez or rematch Lomachenko. The WBSS won't finish until the end of the year and whoever wins will be the unified WBA and IBF champion, and I believe theoretically the WBC mandatory, but that doesn't necessarily mean the fight will happen. There may not be enough money in it for both sides to be happy and the fight would be cross-promotional, although Prograis is a DiBella fighter.

I definitely think he would stay at Welterweight if he beat Spence if he doesn't retire because that's where the money fights are, but Spence would almost certainly have and activate a rematch clause if Mikey won. If Mikey beat Spence and Spence didn't have/didn't activate a rematch clause, Pacquiao beat Broner and didn't get the Floyd fight, then I could see Mikey fighting Pacquiao on PPV. The thing is that Mikey has said frequently he's only going for legacy fights, I don't really think he has a lot of fights left and I don't think he won't take fights versus low reward fighters anymore.

Sauerland says the finances are sorted out and the dates will be announced by the end of the month, so I believe it will happen.

SalTnutZ1's picture

If it’s a possibility, I’d like to see that fight then.

Mikey loses, then what? If he wins, him and Pac, Mayweather, and Crawford would be the 3 people I’d gun for if they could be made, then ride off into the sunset if I was him.

Good to hear. Had been hearing a lot of mixed messages around it, so was hoping it would get sorted.

You give Broner any shot against Pac this weekend?

Gold's picture

Mikey has little to lose even in a loss, maybe he will just retire or fight a few more times selectively. If Mikey beat Spence and retired he'd already be in the HOF, so anything beyond that would just boost him up further.

Yeah, I was really hoping it would work itself out too, I think there is a decent amount of information about how they will structure the next round and some potential dates if you look it up.

I haven't really changed my opinion from my prediction when the fight was announced. If anything I am slightly more optimistic that Pacquiao will win. I would give Broner a 25-35% chance to win, he's a +230 underdog right now apparently. Pacquiao is a bad stylistic matchup for Broner, Broner does poorly versus active fighters, fighters who throw combinations, and fighters with good footwork, all things Pacquiao can do. The problem is that Pacquiao is old, I think he was robbed versus Horn but he looked very poor in that fight. I thought Matthysse sucked but Pacquiao looked better to me, although it is hard to tell what is true level is right now. He's 40 years old, he can turn old in a day, so it is possible Broner could beat him if Pacquiao can't execute his usual win conditions. One thing I will say is that I'll never pick Broner to win a big fight. In this fight especially I don't believe he has prepared properly for this fight and I don't think he has the right mentality to win big fights. When things get tough he'll likely just try to go for a moral victory of going the distance versus Pacquiao. It'll probably be a 116-112 x3 Pacquiao type of fight in my opinion. What do you think?

SalTnutZ1's picture

I agree with most of that. Only chance I give Broner, is a KO, because he can punch a bit, and can counter punch, things which have caught Manny in the past. I think Broners only shot is a KO from a late counter shot, but I think that is more of a possibility than some do. Manny should win though. Wish I could talk myself into buying that PPV, but I don’t like the card enough to pop another $75 after doing it last month for Wilder-Fury.

Gold's picture

I don't think Broner's power has a good chance of being relevant in this fight. Yeah, he dropped Porter in 2015 but Broner's power was not relevant versus Mikey or Vargas. Broner tries to set up the perfect shot too often and will shell up when Pacquiao throws combinations instead of countering in between Pacquiao's shots. In my opinion, Pacquiao is too fast even at his age to get caught by Broner going in and out, Broner doesn't have a chance of landing a perfect shot as Marquez did. I won't be buying the PPV either, 75 dollars is overpriced. If I had more money I'd probably be more inclined to do so, but I will just stream it. The Warren vs. Oubaali and Jack vs. Browne fights are really good undercard fights to support the main event. That could be a Showtime card by itself.

SalTnutZ1's picture

I guess we’ll see which version of each guy shows up. I just hope it is a good fight.

Same. Between the fight I went to in November, which grand total for 2 tickets and a room at the casino, plus food, beer, etc, was near $550. Then the Wilder PPV. Then dropped $1300 on my car last week. Then lost all my food due to that bad storm that hit the Midwest and just blasted KC, some I was without power for 2 days. Allegedly supposed to be a worse one again this coming weekend'. So not only can I not afford it, I have to hope I even have power, ha.

Gold's picture

That's the reason I'm interested in the fight, both guys are unpredictable in terms of what level they'll bring to the fight.

Best of luck with the storm on Friday/Saturday, hopefully, it isn't too bad. I'm also in the Midwest and we were lucky to not have lost power with this last one.