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The numbers done on DAZN for Joshua vs Povetkin were just under what Joshua did on Showtime for Joshua vs Parker. Hearn is not going to make a statement like that if he knows a real number as low as 15,000 viewers is going to be released to the public. Use some commonsense here. Again, someone took that 15K of new subscribers that signed up for that fight and tried to spin it like that was all the views it did. 1.1+ million people have downloaded the app, I myself don't even use it, I watch from their website so who knows how many people have done the same thing. The LDBC would be all over a number like that making vid after vid slamming such a low number if it was legit. But you are only the second person I've seen try to pass this number off as number of views done. I've seen two LDBC videos of it one said 15K the other 300 to 2400 views. Completely made up by haters that don't want to see Hearn & Matchroom do well in America, slightly under AJ vs Parker views is probably something like 400K maybe more, not 15K. If it was the case don't you think news of such a flop would be a little more widespread than a couple LDBC haters on Youtube?

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I did some more looking and you are right, there is no good source that says it is 15k, I'm not sure where I saw that. On the other hand, DAZN didn't release the numbers themselves, Joshua vs. Parker did not do good numbers on Showtime, so whatever Joshua vs. Povetkin must not have been good. If the number was good, you best believe Eddie would be running to the media to share it, but its a project that still needs work. Joshua is not a draw in the US, him and the Matchroom fighters are not a good enough draw in the US to justify most casual fans buying a DAZN subscription, so it is a good thing for Matchroom that Canelo and Golden Boy signed with DAZN.

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I also saw that Rigondeaux signed with Al Haymon. Al is good at managing older fighters, but I'm not sure who he plans on matching Rigo against, he doesn't have a Super Bantamweight titleist. Maybe he is attempting to get Doheny to fight Rigo or try to set Rigo up to become a mandatory.

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Looks like Pac Man vs Broner in January. I still think Manny has enough in the tank to win this fight.

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Depends on Broner in my opinion, neither of them are big welterweights, they are both small for the weight, Pacquiao is better, Broner could be in his prime at 29, doesn't have too many miles to be in his prime, but does he have the dedication?, I don't think so.

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Yeah, it is all about dedication when it comes to my pick, and I just don't think that Broner will ever be as dedicated as he is talented. If he was, he would have an even bigger career. Sad to see him waste so much of it. I'm worried Tank is veering toward that path himself.

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Just reposting after I deleted my conversations with Gold, I think it makes it easier to talk on this forum page, because there are less pages of comments to go through.

I don't think so either, he cuts corners, to say the least. So am I, he has been in trouble for assault I believe, Marcus Browne as well, it is poor, very disappointing, to a degree, I can't them when I don't know, and nobody knows the full story apart from them, there is no excuse, they are letting themselves and their fans down. Tank is very young, hopefully, he will get his act together before he is too old, he has time, he shouldn't waste it.

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I definitely wouldn't say Broner is in his prime anymore, he isn't fighting at his ideal weights anymore (Lightweight/Super Lightweight) because he isn't motivated and his skills have degraded, although working with Cunningham has improved him from his worst. Part of the problem with Pacquiao was similar, he wasn't as disciplined as he should be. However, in his last fight versus Matthysse he looked a lot better, I think that is at least in part that is because he is more motivated being away from Top Rank, so I'd expect that to continue considering if Pac beats Broner, he'll get a big payday with Floyd. Theoretically, Pacquiao has a really good stylistic matchup versus Broner given Broner's inactivity, but guys of Pacquiao's age can become shot overnight.

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https://www.boxingscene.com/oquendo-turns-down-miller-wba-title-shot-ove...

Fres Oquendo’s overdue WBA world heavyweight title shot has been delayed yet again.

According to an ESPN.com report Wednesday night, the inactive, 45-year-old contender turned down a fight for what will be a vacant version of the WBA’s heavyweight title. Oquendo reportedly was offered $500,000 to fight unbeaten Jarrell Miller on November 17 in Atlantic City, New Jersey, but he declined that bout because Oquendo doesn’t think there’s enough time to properly implement Voluntary Anti-Doping Association testing for performance-enhancing drugs.

ESPN.com also reported Miller now likely will box Bogdan Dinu at Boardwalk Hall three weeks from Saturday night. Romania’s Dinu has accepted promoter Eddie Hearn’s offer to meet Miller, whose approval was needed as of Wednesday night to finalize the deal.

The 30-year-old Miller (22-0-1, 19 KOs) is less than three weeks removed from knocking out 41-year-old former contender Tomasz Adamek (53-6, 31 KOs) in the second round of their scheduled 12-rounder October 6 at Wintrust Arena in Chicago. The 32-year-old Dinu (18-0, 14 KOs) is scheduled to battle England’s Tom Little (10-6, 3 KOs) in a 10-rounder Saturday night in Sofia, Bulgaria, but assuming Miller agrees to terms, Dinu won’t proceed with that bout.

Hearn hopes to announce the bout between Miller, who’s ranked No. 2 by the WBA, and the ninth-ranked Dinu at a press conference scheduled for Saturday afternoon in New York to promote the November 17 card in Atlantic City.

Oquendo understandably wants VADA testing for what would be his first fight since losing a 12-round majority decision to Uzbekistan’s Ruslan Chagaev (34-3-1, 21 KOs) in their WBA title fight in July 2014 in Grozny, Russia. The WBA is legally obligated to afford Oquendo another title shot because he successfully sued the WBA to enforce a rematch clause in his contract for his loss to Chagaev, who has since retired.

The WBA’s first two attempts to meet its obligation to Oquendo were scrapped because his proposed opponents, Shannon Briggs and later Manuel Charr, failed PED tests.

Chicago’s Oquendo (37-8, 24 KOs) was supposed to challenge Charr (31-4, 17 KOs) for the WBA world heavyweight title September 29 in Cologne, Germany.

That fight was canceled on short notice because Charr tested positive for two anabolic steroids, drostanolone and trenbolone. The WBA is expected to strip him of a championship Charr won last November 25, when he defeated Russia’s Alexander Ustinov (34-2, 25 KOs) by 12-round unanimous decision in Oberhausen, Germany.

The Charr cancelation marked the second time in 16 months Oquendo’s overdue title shot was postponed due to a PED ordeal. He was supposed to box Brooklyn’s Shannon Briggs for that title in June 2017, but that bout was canceled on short notice once VADA determined Briggs (60-6-1, 53 KOs, 1 NC) had dramatically elevated levels of testosterone in his system.

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This whole situation is such a clown show, Miller has to fight someone who is even more of a bum because Oquendo pulls out and Oquendo will still be mandated to get a shot at the "title" at 45 years old, so we will be seeing Miller vs. Oquendo unless Miller drops the title in the future. I would be shocked if Miller fought a single top 10 Heavyweight before he fights Joshua in 1-2 years.

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Yeah, I may be going to that card, because we just don’t get fights around here that often, but I agree. He just can’t find a way to fight a legit contender.

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With that being said, just because it is a mismatch doesn't mean it won't be fun to see in person. If you are going hopefully it is entertaining and Eddie puts some good fights on the undercard.

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That's my hope, too. Nico Hernandez is supposed to be on this card, and he is a local kid who was an Olympian, and holds the IBA Flyweight title, which he won in his 5th fight(for what that is worth, lol), so that alone should be worth it. We were thinking of making the drive to OKC for the Saucedo-Hooker card, but with this one coming up and closer to us, plus a bit cheaper for tickets I'm guessing, it should be a fun little trip. This will be the first major card I've been to since about 95 or so, when I was 9. I was young and don't remember much of the entire card, but we got to see Morrison-Ruddock, and an old Duran, so that was a fun time. We don't get as many fights around here as we should, as KC is a big city with a number of venues.

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2 quick things I heard today.

Spence Jr, Mikey Garcia deal close, and would be for Feb 19.

Gary O'Sullivan likely returning 1-2 times this year, but moving down to Junior Middleweight.

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Poor that boxing politics dictates Mikey and Spence (two top 5 fighters in my opinion) can't fight their own rivals in their own weight classes (rivals who are also top 5 fighters IMO), so they have to fight each other to have the meaningful fight they both need, surely I'm not the only one who thinks it is a bad match up, and Garcia vs Lomachencko, Spence vs Crawford are some of the best fights that could happen in boxing.

He's a clown, after all the talk, he looked like an idiot after he got knocked out.

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Yeah, I worry about this one a bit. I think, worse case scenario for Mikey, this could be GGG vs Brook. May be too big a leap. And yeah, the politics in the sport is killing so many big events, it's sick.

For sure. He seemed somewhat humbled in the interview I watched, but did mention how his diet has changed and he quit drinking, so old issues he had making 160 are gone, and now he comes into the ring at less than 165 on fight night, which means he should be able to make 154 fairly easy. Don't know if it helps him much though, due to his age, and the depth of the division, with a lot of big, young champions.

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What do you think of the Charlos vs Monroe and Harrison?

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I think Charlo-Monroe is a stay busy, as I don't think Monroe has any shot. I would have rather seen Charlo-Murray, which would have been both a better fight, but also a better test, that would have been something bigger than a tune-up for him, as Murray is a legit MW, and one that has fought in numerous big fights. Would be the biggest name other than Trout on his resume.

Charlo-Harrison isn't as bad in terms of being competitive, as Harrison is a tough out, in his prime, and is both bigger and has longer reach than Jermell, so will be interesting to see how he does in that circumstance.

Both guys though, need to decide what they want to do. Jermall seems to be attempting to stay busy, waiting on a title shot that may or may not come anytime soon, which I get he doesn't have total control over, but waiting on Canelo may prove fruitless. He may even need to look up at 168 if he keeps getting stalled at 160. Not ideal, but he may not have a choice. Jermell, who I think is the better of the brothers, needs to push for a unification fight, as he may be, at this very moment, the best at 154, and should do what he can to maximize that before guys like Hurd and Munguia get healthy/improve more. I'd even like to see him against a Brian Castano is nothing else. And if he can get those big fights, and win, and his brother moves to 168, he could move to 160 and make title moves there, too. You?

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I agree, isn't the most mentally sound, lacks power and output. Meh, maybe, but I don't think Murray is a challenge either to be honest, and I wasn't impressed with his performance against Garcia. Biggest name, yes, but I don't think that's a more difficult fight than Williams, Murray is past his prime, but having said that, you make a good point, his experience.

Exactly, let's see how much better he handles those aspects than he did against John Jackson.

Unless I'm wrong, he's waiting for a WBC title shot, isn't that the point of an 'interim title'?, hopes it will be Alvarez, but first and foremost is waiting for a world title fight. I don't think Golden Boy want to risk losing the power Alvarez has against a Charlo or an Andrade. In my opinion, that's a bad move, he is not big enough for 168 yet, if he ever will be, which I think he probably won't be, he doesn't need to do that in my opinion, just wait, at 160, Alvarez might vacate the WBC, there are 3 other belts as well, he'll get a shot, and think the Charlos are both aiming to unify a division, 154 for Jermell, 160 for Jermall. He'll have a choice to not jump up in weight, it will just be about him being managed and advised properly, and maybe he needs a rival, who needs to beat him just like vise verse, Andrade for example, or Jacobs or Derevyanchenko, the problem is politics, Alvarez, who will want to quit while he's ahead, is a draw, is protected, but there are only so many Alvarez's out there. I don't think Hurd has any more improvement ahead of him than Jermell, Munguia, I think now, is a kid when it comes to fighting Hurds and Charlos, but has the potential to be a great fighter, but I think Hurd and Munguia will both move to 160 at some point, probably Munguia first because of his age, but Charlo should definitely target Hurd, and Hurd should target Charlo, for next year, don't see why the fight can't happen, can't think of any promoters, managers who don't want the fight to happen, both fighter have another belt or two and a great win to gain, a lot to lose, but if that discouraged fighters, this would be one boring sport. I don't know, I don't see the Charlos careers suffering as of yet, with them just fighting at this level, fighting names, not for Jermell, because he is defending a title, different scenario for Jermall, because he doesn't, but then again, there are champions who just keep defending, but never seem to be involved in the best fights in the divisions, like Stevenson, been champion for what?, 6 years?, until recently, you almost couldn't believe he was still around. I'm definitely against that last part, definitely, I'm not a fan of weight jumps at all, moving to 168, for either Charlo, in my opinion, will be a big mistake, if Jermell can make 154, he should stay there in my opinion, Jermall being the bigger puncher might be the reason he was the one who moved up, because he can easier afford the power compromise, but they both want to unify, in different divisions, I don't think there is a good reason for either to move up, Jermell could, but that would be a bad idea because his brother would be in the same division, and in my opinion, either going to 168 is a mistake, just like it is for Alvarez, I'm very confident that if it was Smith, Ramirez, Uzcategui, the size disadvantage would be too much and Alvarez would lose.

How would the Charlos do against Alvarez and Hurd?

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I just think given his experience, ringcraft, and grit, he would just make a better, more competitive fight for both Charlo and the fans. Monroe was putrid his last fight; most boring fight I've seen this year, right up with some of the recent stinkers at Cruiser. Made Murray against Garcia look like Floyd against Canelo.

I'm not saying moving up is the optimal move for either Charlo, just acknowledging what their options may be. But yes, if Canelo vacates to stay up at 168, that makes the need for either brother to move less.

In the perception of many here in the states, they are not well known for their talent level, and part of that is because they aren't being promoted the best or matched up in a lot of competitive fights overall.

I think Jermall would lose a fairly wide decision. His best shot would be a knockout. I don't think he is even close to the dynamic puncher, in terms of punch variety, counters, with the power, or GGG, Canelo, or Danny. I know a lot are high on him, but I don't see it as much with him as I do with his brother. I think Jermell beats everyone right now at 154, including my boy Munguia, but a year from now, I think that would be a very interesting fight, as I think Munguia will have 3 more fights between now and this time next year, and I bet the last 2 will be significant steps up. That is if he doesn't just move up, chasing one of those titles if Canelo vacates, as I think his down the line goal is a huge brawl with Canelo.

Side note: DAZN just moved that next Big Baby card to my area, and added that kid I mentioned before Nico Hernandez to the card. It's about 3 hours from me, but my gal and I are thinking of getting tickets and making a weekend of it.

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Sounds awesome bro I hope you both have a great time.

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I was really rooting for Monroe against Saunders, that was painful to watch.

I see, but I don't think that should be an option, not that my opinion matters at the end of the day, I'm just not a fan of weight jumps.

It can't be easy though, they have both been matched against unbeaten rivals who a lot of people doubted they could beat, Williams and Lubin, they sparked them, they've both been matched against Trout, but it doesn't surprise me what you're saying, they are not the only ones though right?, is Gary Russell well known for his talent level?, Crawford is now, but not as much as he should be in my opinion, and I just don't think he's had the publicity, the recognition as a great fighter he should have done.

I think he'd beat him. I disgaree with that, I think Charlo is one of the best punchers in the world. I do, that knockout against Williams was textbook, against Centeno as well, and I think Trout, against Charlo, was not far past his prime in 2016 if past his prime at all. I think Charlo's power, timing, precision, punch execution is exceptional. Can Munguia stay at 154 for that long?, if not, then you could have the same scenario but with him fighting Jermall and Andrade in a couple of years, not Jermell. I think Munguia should move up when making 154 becomes too much, because that is when a move up in weight is really necessary. I think Munguia should fight twice next year, and in an ideal world, take another 2 years, maybe 4 fights before fighting a Charlo, he has bags of time, why not use that time to build yourself up? I wouldn't mind seeing Munguia vs Lara late next year.

You'll enjoy that! I think DAZN is great. You know who Miller is fighting? I don't see how he expects to make a statement, earn an opportunity if he keeps fighting Adameks and Oquendos

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I did see he was fighting what is essentially another can, a guy named Bogdan Dinu. I'm more going for the whole card, Nico, and because it is close(about 3 hours or so to the West, in a little casino in Mulvane, KS. Miller needs to step up and fight at least a Breazeale level of opposition. This is getting ridiculous watching him fight a bunch of old dudes, haha

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http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=1-25084753 The announcement that I saw.

Matchroom Boxing promoter Eddie Hearn’s Nov. 17 DAZN card is being moved from Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey, to the Kansas Star Casino in Mulvane, Kansas, multiple sources involved in the event told ESPN on Thursday. It is slated to be headlined by a secondary heavyweight title bout between Jarrell “Big Baby” Miller and Bogdan Dinu, which is being finalized. The key reason for the move is the addition of 2016 Olympic bronze medalist Nico Hernandez (5-0, 4 KOs), a flyweight prospect and strong ticket seller from nearby Wichita, Kansas. He is expected at a news conference in New York on Saturday to announce the card, which will also include Brandon Rios against Ramon Alvarez (Canelo’s older brother) in a junior middleweight fight. It will be Garden City, Kansas, native Rios’ second fight in his birth state. He has lived in Southern California for many years and fought only once in Garden City – about a four-hour drive from Mulvane – in 2009. The card is also due to include unified women’s middleweight titlist Claressa Shields against Hannah Rankin, a middleweight fight between Gabriel Rosado and Luis Arias and an appearance by former three-division world titlist Ricky Burns in a lightweight fight.

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https://www.boxingscene.com/jarrell-miller-return-on-nov-17-undercard-ma...

Heavyweight star Jarrell Miller continues his rapid rise, Claressa Shields defends her IBF, WBA and WBC World Middleweight titles against Hannah Rankin and Brandon ‘Bam Bam’ Rios comes home in an all-Mexican clash in a huge night of action at the Kansas Star Arena and Casino in Mulvane, Kansas, on November 17, live on DAZN.
Miller has stepped up his pursuit of World title action and the unbeaten Brooklyn banger is fresh from demolishing Polish legend Tomasz Adamek inside two rounds in Chicago earlier in October to move to 22-0-1 with his 19th KO win, and his opponent for his fight on November 17 will be unveiled at a press conference in New York on Saturday evening.
Shields became a two-weight World ruler on home turf in Detroit in June in just her sixth pro fight with a points win over Hanna Gabriels to add the IBF and WBA straps at 160lbs to her IBF and WBC Super-Middleweight belts she claimed in August 2017 and defended in January.

‘T-Rex’ puts the Middleweight straps on the line against Scotland’s Rankin (5-2 1KO) who crossed the pond once again for a World title shot having challenged Alicia Napoleon for the WBA Super-Middleweight title in August in Long Island, NY, having picked up the WBC Silver Middleweight belt two months earlier in Scotland.
A stacked card in support of the World championship battles sees a homecoming for Rios, the former Lightweight World ruler and Welterweight title challenger who was born in Garden City, Kansas. ‘Bam Bam’ Rios (34-4-1 25KOs) is hunting a route back to World title level, and that leads him into an all-Mexican showdown with Ramon Alvarez (27-6-3 16KOs), the older brother of Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez looking for his own win on the big stage to set up a title shot in 2019.
A crunch battle at Middleweight sees Luis Arias and Gabriel Rosado clash. Arias (18-1 9KOs) is back in action after tasting defeat for the first time in his career against former World ruler and IBF title challenger this weekend Daniel Jacobs, and this is a must-win for the Wisconsin man if he wants to mix with the best names in the red hot 160lbs division. Rosado (24-11 14KOs) has twice boxed for the World title at Middleweight, and the Philadelphian is back in the ring after a year out following a return to winning ways in October 2017 when he stopped Glen Tapia in Las Vegas.
There’s more local flavor on the card in the shape of exciting young Wichita star Nico Hernandez, the 22 year old Team USA 2016 Olympic bronze medalist laces them up for the sixth time in the paid ranks, with four of his five wins to date coming inside the distance.
Three-weight World champion Ricky Burns is back in action on the bill and the Scottish ace (42-7-1 15KOs) is looking to return to the top table once again.
“Kansas is going to be wild!” said Eddie Hearn. “It’s another stacked card topped by Jarrell Miller who is making a real charge in the Heavyweight division. There is an all Mexican war between Kansas own Brandon Rios and Canelo brother Ramon. Luis Arias and Gabe Rosado go to battle with a potential World Middleweight title shot on the line.
“Off the back of huge network ratings, Claressa Shields defends her World titles against tough Scot Hannah Rankin. Kansas hero Nico Hernandez defends his title and three-weight World champ Ricky Burns also stars. This arena is going to fill up quick and we look forward to another stacked card on DAZN.”

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Good card, not big on Miller vs Dinu, but Rosado vs Big Mouth Arias should be good and let's hope Rosado can beat him (I don't think he will), Rios vs Alvarez should be a good fight.

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The PBC Welterweight landscape is such a trainwreck right now, Thurman still does not have a fight scheduled, still has not faced a WBA mandatory in three and a half years of holding the title. Porter is supposed to be facing Thurman as a mandatory because of the WBC's stupid two mandatory rule for vacant title winners, but would Thurman really take that fight as his first coming back? I don't think so. Danny Garcia doesn't want anything to do with Spence. So now instead of Mikey fighting a good mandatory in Commey, he's going up two weight classes to fight Spence because he's the only one willing to do it. Sad state of affairs. I just hope Mikey doesn't get beat up like Brook did or brutally stopped like Khan did when they went up two weights. Mikey is considerably more skilled than Spence in my opinion, but I can't see Mikey even winning rounds without getting in range of Spence and taking damage just because the size difference is so extreme. Since Mikey is going to drop his IBF Lightweight title it makes me think he doesn't really have faith that the Loma fight will happen anytime soon which is unfortunate.

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Hearing rumors, that for his next fight, GGG may fight...Callum Smith! I know there are a lot of fans of both guys on here, so not going to take a stance and rile feathers, lol. I'll just say, if it happens, I'll be excited to watch, as I think it would be a good scrap!

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https://www.boxingscene.com/kownacki-washington-set-126-fox-show-from-ba...

Adam Kownacki will continue his pursuit of a heavyweight title shot against Gerald Washington on January 26 in Brooklyn.
BoxingScene.com has confirmed that Kownacki-Washington will be part of a FOX broadcast that night at Barclays Center. Kownacki-Washington was first reported early Tuesday morning by ringpolska.pl.
The Kownacki-Washington bout will be officially announced Tuesday afternoon at a press conference in Los Angeles. During that expansive event, Premier Boxing Champions is expected to unveil at least its main events for FOX and FS1 broadcasts through March as part of the network’s new deal with Al Haymon’s organization.
Kownacki-Washington won’t be the main event January 26.
It’ll open a telecast that could feature the long-awaited return of Keith Thurman (28-0, 22 KOs, 1 NC). The unbeaten WBA welterweight champion is expected to fight Josesito Lopez (36-7, 19 KOs) in what would be the injury-plagued Thurman’s first fight since he defeated Danny Garcia by split decision in their welterweight title unification fight in March 2017 at Barclays Center.
Kownacki (18-0, 14 KOs) will make his third straight appearance and eighth overall at Barclays Center. The Polish-born, Brooklyn-bred Kownacki is 7-0, including four knockouts, at his hometown venue, including an impressive win against Charles Martin (25-2-1, 23 KOs) in his last fight.
The 6-feet-3 Kownacki, 29, defeated the former IBF heavyweight champion by unanimous decision in a 10-round, all-action brawl September 8.
The 6-feet-6 Washington (19-2-1, 12 KOs) won his last fight following back-to-back technical-knockout losses to WBC champ Deontay Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) and contender Jarrell Miller (22-0-1, 19 KOs) in 2017.
In that 10-round bout, the 36-year-old Washington beat another 6-feet-6 boxer, John Nofire (20-2, 16 KOs), by unanimous decision June 10 in Lancaster, California. A U.S. Navy veteran and former USC football player who began boxing at the late age of 30, Washington was 18-0-1 (12 KOs) entering his loss to Wilder in February 2017.
Washington out-boxed Wilder early and was even on two of the three official scorecards after four rounds before “The Bronze Bomber” dropped him once in advance of that fifth-round stoppage in Birmingham, Alabama.
Kownacki’s run of four straight stoppages ended against Martin.
In July 2017, Kownacki scored a fourth-round KO of another Polish contender, Artur Szpilka, in Uniondale, New York. That fight also was broadcast by FOX from Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum.

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