Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

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Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

vs Austin Trout. I had it 114-113 Alvarez. judges had 119-109,115-112,116-111
vs Floyd Mayweather. I had 120-108 FM. Judges 117-111, 116-112 and 114-114.
vs Erislandy Lara. I had 115-113 Lara. Judges 115-113, 117-111 and 113-115.
vs Miguel Cotto. I had it 114-114. Judges 119-109, 118-110, and 117-111.

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

1st fight vs GGG, 118-110, don't see anything better for Alvarez than a draw, cpuld have even been 8-4 for Golovkin.
Khan, two judges had him ahead, I thought that was a piece of cake to score, and Alvarez won nothing until round 5.

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This is not just a Canelo issue, it's a big money A-side issue in Las Vegas with boxers that tend to try to "steal" rounds with eye-catching combinations.

Ray Leonard:

Ray Leonard vs. Tommy Hearns II (Las Vegas)

Tom Kaczmarek 113-112
Dalby Shirley 112-112

Most scored it to Hearns clearly

Ray Leonard vs. Marvin Hagler (Las Vegas)

Jose Juan Guerra 118-110

The original 118-110

Oscar De La Hoya:

Oscar De La Hoya vs. Pernell Whitaker (Las Vegas)

Chuck Giampa 115-111
Jerry Roth 116-110
Dalby Shirley 116-110

Most people see this as a very close fight if not a draw/Whitaker win, granted this was an extremely difficult fight to score

Oscar De La Hoya vs. Ike Quartey (Las Vegas)

Ken Morita 116-112
John Keane 116-113

Most people see this as a very close fight if not a draw/Quartey win, both cards are very wide

Oscar De La Hoya vs. Felix Sturm (Las Vegas)

Mike Glienna 115-113
Paul Smith 115-113
Dave Moretti 115-113

This was a straight up robbery

Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr (Las Vegas)

Tom Kaczmarek 115-113

Trash scorecard, Oscar did well but won 4 rounds, 5 if you are really pushing it

In Oscar's defense, he was also robbed himself of at least a draw vs Trinidad and a win versus Mosley in the second fight.

Floyd Mayweather Jr:

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Jose Luis Castillo I (Las Vegas)

Anek Hongtongkam 116-111
John Keane 115-111
Jerry Roth 115-111

Most people see this as a very close fight if not a draw/Castillo win, certainly not 116-111

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Marcos Maidana I (Las Vegas)

Burt Clements 117-111
Dave Moretti 116-112

Most people see this as a very close fight if not a draw, both of those scorecards are terrible

Canelo Alvarez:

Canelo Alvarez vs. Austin Trout (San Antonio)

Stanley Christodoulou 118-109
Oren Shellenberger 116-111

Most people see this as a very close fight, I don't think a lot of people scored it to Trout but both of those cards are very wide

Canelo Alvarez vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr (Las Vegas)

CJ Ross 114-114

Canelo arguably was shut out

Canelo Alvarez vs. Erislandy Lara (Las Vegas)

Levin Martinez 117-111

Terrible scorecard, this was a very close fight if not a draw/Lara win

Canelo Alvarez vs. Miguel Cotto (Las Vegas)

Burt Clements 118-110
Dave Moretti 119-109
John McKaie 117-111

All three are terrible scorecards, Cotto did much better in this fight than those scores suggest

Canelo Alvarez vs. Gennady Golovkin (Las Vegas)

Adelaide Byrd 118-110

The new 118-110

With the exception of Canelo vs. Trout which was in Texas where a lot of sketchy decisions have happened as well, all of these were in Las Vegas with the A-side getting the benefit of the doubt or more than the benefit of the doubt.

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

I have a theory as well.
I think judges like talent, potential, and they favour younger, talented fighters often because of what they coudl achieve, rather than give a fair chance to an older, more experienced fighter, for example.

Fury vs McDermott
Figueroa vs Belmontes
Broner vs De Leon
Hall vs Butler
Benavidez vs Gavril

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

Also possible, but at some point it just comes down to incompetence/corruption, another example is Taylor vs. Postol, Taylor won but Postol's effort was not reflected on the scorecards, Taylor didn't win 119-108, 118-110, 117-110 in reality

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

Great example, might have been location, but whatever the reason, there is no pissible aspect of the consensus being wrong, because Taylor's own team said the cards were too wide, that's as good evidence for bad judging as you'll get.

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

Location definitely effects judging if the bout is in one fighter's hometown, in my estimation, Saucedo's chances of winning a decision definitely went up when Top Rank won the purse bid to have it in Oklahoma City.

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Good point, but some countries and states are worse than others in my opinion.

Finland
Abril vs Tatli 114-114
Chisora vs Helenius Robbery

Germany
Abraham vs Smith 119-109
Sturm vs Chudinov II Robbery
Sturm vs Macklin Robbery

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

Part of the problem is that Las Vegas ends up hosting almost every big money fight, so they will inherently have more bad decisions with a larger sample size. Given the number of fights that happen there, I think Germany has to be the worst. Sven Ottke has an unbelievable amount of robbery decisions in addition to the ones you listed. Michalczewski has the dubious DQ win over Rocchigiani.

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

in order to properly judge a fight you have to look at both fighters equally and what happens with the gloves. too often a judge will get mesmorized by a fighters style or there name. assumptions, giving benefit of the doubt. generally i agree with harold lederman (although he has a few duds)he looks at the fight and scores effective aggression and harder cleaner punches.

on the other hand, max kellerman is terrible with his scores when he scores. he goes by "the story of the fight" "what casuals look at" he defended canelo/ggg 1 hard for Alvarez

another example is George Foreman vs. Shannon Briggs where the judges gave it to the up and comer instead of the guy over the hill

Re: Canelo wide score when fight was much closer

Said the same thing recently, because ultimately, it is when the leather lands that the points score. Meh, always thought Lederman was a phoney in all honesty, Farhood is much better in my opinion.

He's a fool who got his job for the wrong reasons, very disrespectful.

Judges should look less at what could potentially happen and more at what is happening.