Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Alvarez II

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Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Alvarez II
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Date: 
Saturday, September 15, 2018
Location: 
T-Mobile Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
160
Titles at Stake: 
WBA (Golovkin's 20th defence) & WBC (Golovkin's 5th defence) Middleweight World Titles
Referee: 
Benjy Esteves Jr

Official Judging
Dave Moretti 113 - 115
Steve Weisfeld 113 - 115
Glenn Feldman 114 - 114

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In Las Vegas, Gennady Golovkin and Saul Alvarez battle it out in a highly anticipated rematch, having fought to a split draw 12 months earlier, Golovkin keeping his WBA, WBC, IBF belts without a win, having later had the IBF title taken from him for opting not to take his mandatory, Golovkin goes into the rematch, still as the WBA, WBC champion.

Golovkin, considered by many, unlucky not to have gotten the decision the first time, goes into the rematch, a slight favourite.

Unlike a respectful, professional fight the first time, the rematch, due to failed drug tests, insults, is a real grudge match, there is animosity between the two fighters, with Golovkin, questioning Alvarez's ability to fight like a proud Mexican warrior, Alvarez, admittedly, fuming with rage at Golovkin, the two have to be separated by security at the weigh in.

Round 1 is interesting, Alvarez meets Golovkin centre ring, holds his ground, Golovkin is cautious, but active with the jab, throwing most of the punches, landing his jab a lot, and probably edging the opener. Alvarez makes it harder for Golovkin to keep him at distance in round 2, and he lands a perfectly timed, flush left hook, Golovkin soaks it up, Alvarez is the aggressor in round 2, has Golovkin backing up.

Golovkin aims to jab in round 3, but Alvarez lands a couple of shots in the 1st minute, Golovkin throws in the mid minute, but Alvarez looks stronger, is defensive, both land late, but Alvarez seems to get the best of it. Golovkin's jab is good in the 1st minute of round 4, and Alvarez, hitting air, Golovkin out works Alvarez, mid, lands a good uppercut, Golovkin continues in the last minute, another right uppercut, and a stand out jab.

Golovkin does more early in round 5, lands the jab, the uppercut, but Alvarez is the aggressor, lands a big right hand, Golovkin throws more, mid, but Alvarez controls pace, jabs, it is then a jab match, late, Golovkin, quantity, Alvarez, quality. Alvarez dictates round 6, early, jabs, is aggressive, attacks the body, Golovkin out works Alvarez, mid, landing in variety, lands a couple of good shots, Alvarez is the aggressor, late, lands to the body, both land, but Alvarez, landing harder, pressing.

They open up in round 7, but 30 seconds in, Alvarez seems stronger, he then works on the inside, but Golovkin jabs, mid, lands clean, but Alvarez dictates, late, lands a great left uppercut, takes shots from Golovkin, but lands a couple of good shots. Alvarez lands a great right uppercut early in round 8, jabs with Golovkin, and lands, hard, but Golovkin out works him, mid, Alvarez seems to take his foot off the gas after missing, but defending well himself.

Golovkin has a good 1st minute to round 9, lands the jab, follows it up, does lots of work, Alvarez thumps a couple in, to the body, but out worked, Alvarez lands a hard right uppercut, mid, as well as a couple of clean crosses, but is still out worked, they slug it out, late, Alvarez, aggressive, but Golovkin, accurate. Golovkin starts round 10 with clean jabs, and doubles the clean right uppercut to the head, Alvarez lands, but Golovkin out works him, mid, lands a great, flush right hand, Golovkin takes an uppercut, but lands more shots, jabs very well, late.

Golovkin starts round 11 fast, lands a flush right hand, goes back to the jab, Golovkin lands hard power shots, mid, punishes Alvarez, Alvarez fires back, but Golovkin defends, both land the uppercut, late, both rest, but briefly attack, Golovkin lands more, Alvarez lands a stand out shot. Golovkin lands a flush left hook to start the last round, and then a jarring right uppercut, Alvarez tries to fire back, but falls down as Golovkin defends, but Alvarez then lands clean uppercuts of his own, mid, they go to war, both chins hold up, they brawl, late, but Alvarez rallies better, but then Golovkin lands a flush right uppercut, and the bell goes.

The fighters embrace as the fight ends, have clear mutual respect, and both seem very confident of victory.

There doesn't seem to be any general consensus, as some say Golovkin has clearly won, some say Alvarez has clearly won, and many say it could go either way.

It is announced that it is a majority decision, even on one card, the overruling two, scoring Alvarez a close winner.

Saul Alvarez beats Gennady Golovkin by Majority Decision, Alvarez gives a happy post fight interview, whilst a devastated Golovkin leaves the ring straight away.

At the post fight press conference, Golovkin is his usual humble self, is gracious in defeat, congratulates Alvarez, but is still clearly in strong disagreement with the decision, Abel Sanchez claims his fighter could have been tactically better, not unexpectedly protests for the trilogy.

Golovkin Quotes

'I'm not going to say who won tonight, because the victory belongs to Canelo, according to the judges. I thought it was a very good fight for the fans and very exciting. I thought I fought better than he did'.

Alvarez Quotes

'I feel satisfied because I gave a great fight. It was a clear victory'

Media opinions

Steve Bunce: 114-114
BoxingScene: 114-114
The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin
Bad Left Hook: 114-114, 116-112 Golovkin
CBS Sports: 116-112 Golovkin
The Telegraph: 116-112 Golovkin
News.AU: 115-113 Golovkin
BloodyElbow: 115-113 Golovkin
MMA Fighting: 114-114
Boxing News: 115-114 Golovkin
HBO: 116-112 Golovkin
Sports Illustrated: 114-114
Kevin Iole: 114-114
World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin
CBS Sports: 116-112 Golovkin
Michelle Joy Phelps: 115-113 Golovkin
The Ring Magazine: 114-114, 115-113 Golovkin
Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Golovkin
USA Today: 115-113 Golovkin
New York Post: 114-114
ESPN: 114-114
Forbes: 114-114
Complex Sports: 116-112 Golovkin
Boxing News: 115-114 Golovkin
talkSPORT: 116-112 Golovkin
Washington Post: 115-113 Golovkin
TV Azteca: 115-113 Golovkin
MonteroOnBoxing: 115-113 Golovkin
Televisa: 116-112 Golovkin
DailyMail: 116-113 Golovkin
The Sweet Science: 117-111 Alvarez
BBC Sport: 115-113 Golovkin
Saturday Night Boxing: 115-113 Golovkin
SecondsOut: 114-114

Boxing peoples' opinions

Andre Ward: Alvarez
David Lemieux: Alvarez
Jaime Munguia: Alvarez
Claressa Shields: Alvarez
Al Bernstein: Golovkin
Lou DiBella: Golovkin
Manny Pacquiao: Golovkin
Roy Jones Jr: Draw
Manny Pacquiao: Golovkin
Lennox Lewis: Golovkin
Danny Jacobs: Golovkin
Terence Crawford: Golovkin
Barry Jones: Golovkin
Matthew Macklin: Golovkin
Anthony Fowler: Alvarez
David Haye: Alvarez
Carl Frampton: Golovkin
Robert Garcia: Alvarez
George Foreman: Alvarez
Richie Woodhall: Golovkin
Mikey Garcia: Alvarez
Floyd Mayweather Sr: Alvarez
Dewey Cooper: Draw
Andrew Tabiti: Alvarez
Kevin Newman: Alvarez
Will Clemons: Draw
Rolando Romero: Alvarez
Luis Tapia: Alvarez
Rafael Garcia: Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi: Golovkin
Martin Murray: Alvarez
Victor Ortiz: Golovkin




Averaged Fan Card:

round 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Gennady Golovkin
                                                                    
9.78
9.02
9.52
9.95
9.73
9.19
9.41
9.43
9.76
9.97
9.86
9.65
Saul Alvarez
                                                                    
9.21
9.97
9.54
9.08
9.26
9.82
9.58
9.56
9.26
9.02
9.15
9.36


Fan Cards: Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Alvarez II


scorecard by TJK146114
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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9
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9
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116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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112


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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10
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10
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10
117
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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113


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
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10
10
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9
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113
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
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115


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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9
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9
9
10
10
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10
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10
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
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114


scorecard by KAISERKOBA
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
9
9
10
10
9
10
10
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9
9
114


scorecard by LEFT EYE
Round
1
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
10
113
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
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9
115


scorecard by SC
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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10
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
9
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
10
9
10
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9
10
9
112


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
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10
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10
113


scorecard by WINGSTOP
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
113
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
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10
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
115


scorecard by POWERPUNCHER999
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
113


scorecard by HAGLERGOAT
Round
1
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
10
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by ANGKAG
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
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9
9
113


scorecard by VOCK42
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
10
10
10
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
10
10
9
9
10
9
9
9
113


scorecard by NEWDOWN2031
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
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9
114


scorecard by DVERD33
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
10
9
10
10
10
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
9
10
9
9
9
113


scorecard by KMSCR83
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
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10
114


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
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10
114


scorecard by SULTH
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
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10
115


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
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10
113


scorecard by ARJ GUY
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
118
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
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10
110


scorecard by MOOOOVE
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
117
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
9
111


scorecard by MARTIN EDEN
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
118
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
110


scorecard by KEYBOARDWARRIOR
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
10
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112


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
117
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
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10
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10
111


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
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9
10
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10
9
10
10
9
10
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
9
10
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10
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114


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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10
10
9
9
10
10
9
10
10
9
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
10
10
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10
113


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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9
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by MARK ELDING
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
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10
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
118
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
9
10
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112


scorecard by THEUNDEFEATED
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
10
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10
9
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10
113


scorecard by CFCSONSTER
Round
1
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Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by ITESTR
Round
1
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Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
110
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
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119


scorecard by ADAMJO260
Round
1
2
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12
Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by BOXNATIONSCORES12
Round
1
2
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Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
112


scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
Round
1
2
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Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
9
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
10
10
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10
114


scorecard by HTTP
Round
1
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Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
117
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
111


scorecard by GOLD
Round
1
2
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9
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12
Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
114
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
114


scorecard by FLOYD TOUGH COMPETITOR MAYWEATHER
Round
1
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Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
10
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
9
10
10
9
9
9
113


scorecard by NAGABILLY
Round
1
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Total
GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by CHIEFSKINGDOM
Round
1
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
112
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
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9
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10
116


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Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
117
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by BLOODMONEY80
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
9
112


scorecard by BESTINTHEWORLD1992
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
10
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
9
112


scorecard by MATCHROOM
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
118
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
110


scorecard by LUKASZRPB
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
9
9
9
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
115
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
10
10
9
9
10
9
10
9
9
9
9
113


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
Round
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12
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
9
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
117
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
111


scorecard by ALBERTOCASTANY
Round
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GENNADY GOLOVKIN
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
116
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
112


Comments

Champion97's picture

Predictions.

Shawn Porter - Alvarez
Robert Garcia - Alvarez
Freddie Roach - Alvarez
Danny Jacobs - Golovkin
Johnny Nelson - Golovkin
Caleb Plant - Alvarez
Derrick Harmon - Alvarez
Juan Heraldez - Alvarez
Lanell Bellows - Golovkin
Stitch Duran - Alvarez
Dewey Cooper - Golovkin
Layla McCarter - Golovkin
Rolando Romero - Alvarez
Anthony Martin - Golovkin
Jordan Hardy - Golovkin
Sharif Bogere - Alvarez
Chanelle Skelly - Golovkin
Angelo Leo - Golovkin
Shane Mosely - Golovkin
Evander Holyfield - Golovkin
Kevin Kelly - Golovkin
Amer Abdallah - Golovkin
Badou Jack - Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi - Golovkin
Anna Woolhouse - Golovkin
Vasyl Lomachencko - Golovkin
Ruben Guerrero - Alvarez
Manny Pacquiao - Golovkin
Tim Bradley - Golovkin
Miguel Cotto - Alvarez
Pita Garcia - Alvarez
Lennox Lewis - Golovkin
Carl Frampton - Golovkin
Liam Smith - Golovkin
Josh Warrington - Golovkin
Martin Murray - Golovkin
Jamie Moore - Golovkin
Jaime Munguia - Alvarez
Jose Benavidez - Golovkin
David Benavidez - Golovkin
Claressa Shields - Alvarez
Amir Khan - Golovkin
Demetrius Andrade - Golovkin
Kevin Newman - Alvarez
Charvis Hollifield - Alvarez
Daquan Mays - Alvarez
Jhevani Dixon - Alvarez
Jim Gray - Alvarez
Richard Dwyer - Golovkin

Golovkin: 30
Alvarez: 20

SalTnutZ1's picture

Golovkin by TKO in 10th!

Champion97's picture

Interesting, we'll see.
Why do you think that?

SalTnutZ1's picture

Canelo, I think will be affected by this "steak" issue, as I think this isn't something new for him, and I can see him not coming into the ring as big as he was in the previous fight. I, too, think GGG left more on the table, as he focused on head hunting. I think he looks to break Canelo down in the body early, to keep him from running and work his pace since he's been out for a year. Canelo gave him his best shots last fight and never fazed GGG, so I don't think that changes, even with a year removed. I've never seen GGG in real trouble, so short of a Byrd card, I don't see GGG losing this one. Plus, you know he has to be motivated like no other, and the Terminator mode may step in. I'd love to see him press Alvarez from R1, and not try to feel him out. He has felt his power, no reason to dance early, and a lot of pent up animosity might just explode with devastating force on CA's face.

Champion97's picture

I see that, Keith Thurman and Tim Bradley (probably not the only ones either) have both said Golovkin should have gone to the body more.
I disagree with thise points because firstly, and I'm not saying he wasn't cheating, but I think Canelo was on a small substance, not a hardcore PED, and I don't think there will be much of a difference there. Also, I think body work takes more commitment, you make yourself more stationery, now, had Golovkin gone to the body more, how much of a risk of Canelo drawing him onto counters would he be at?, I don't think there was really a lack of body work.
Good point, a year out isn't ideal, and Golovkin has been more active, he didn't go 2 rounds, but still, better than nothing, which is what Canelo has done over the past year.
That goes both ways, both took each other's best punches, and I think both took damage in the first fight, Golovkin, as the older fighter, might have sustained more damage.
No neither have I apart from one early fight, it just seems likely his punch resistance will weaken, but you are right in that we haven't seen any evidence of that yet, it is just that there is alwayd a first, and him having a good chin, I don't think necessarily means he his fights have been less damaging, because fighters with good chins do have to soak up more punishment.
If the answer is no, you say that, I believe you, but is a lot of this motivated by the fact that you really dislike Canelo and like Golovkin? If so, I'm the same.
I think both will be very motivated, Golovkin is the one with the time pressure, but is that a good thing for his mentality?, or a bad thing?
Me too, but the heavier, faster, younger fighter is likely to start well as he did in the first fight, his feet are faster, and Golovkin pressing him, putting on the pressure, comes at a cost.
'He has felt his power, no reason to dance early, and a lot of pent up animosity might just explode with devastating force on CA's face'.
Not quite sure what you mean by that.

SalTnutZ1's picture

I actually used to really like Canelo, but like I mentioned before with Mike Vick, somethings you can't come back from, for me, and drug cheats in Boxing are among those people. Hurts more when you were actually a fan of the person, that is why I may seem a bit harsher.

What I meant by it was, in the first fight, and in the fight against Jacobs, I think GGG was trying to respect them too much early in those fights, and didn't press the action like he does against guys he knows he can get out of there. I believe he can get Alvarez out of there if he fights him aggressive early(like we saw he is capable of when he finally pressed Jacobs early in the fight and scored the knockdown), and due to his chin, even if he has to eat a few shots to get there, he is the bigger puncher who is the natural Middleweight, so this should be to his advantage both in terms of strength and size, as I truly believe Canelo won't be as big as GGG in this fight in terms of weight and we know GGG is the taller fighter , but we will have to wait and see on that one I guess. And if those things I said happen, which they I believe they will due to GGG being so damn frustrated by the whole mess, that cost him a title as well, he might just let it loose and knock him out, hence my prediction and the devastating force comment, haha.

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Even though this fight has been damaged by the failed drug tests, isn't as good for boxing as the first fight was, it is still one of the biggest fights of the year, the first fight was a draw, a rematch was always a great option, both fighters are still probably top 10 fighters, both have a lot to gain, both have a lot to lose.

This is a 50/50 fight, the first fight was a draw, the general consensus is that Golovkin deserved to win it by 2, maybe even 4 points, but the decision stands, a draw.

There are reasons either could manage to take the edge.

- Golovkin comes off 4 months out, it has been a year since he has gone past 3 rounds, but he looked great against Vanes Martirosyan in May. Alvarez comes off a year of inactivity
- Golovkin is generally considered the rightful winner of the first fight
- Alvarez is not composed, he is angry, Golovkin seems controlled, calm, does Golovkin have the mental edge going into this fight?
- Golovkin is still the much more experienced, and the natural middleweight
- Amongst fighters, the scenario seems to be that Alvarez was tactically better last time, and Golovkin has more extra potential that he can live up to this time
- Whatever Alvarez did, stood up to in the first fight, he did it with Clenbuterol in his system, what will being clean have taken out of him?

On the other hand

- Alvarez ages 27-28 between the two fights, an age when a fighter should be improving if anything, becoming experienced without physically declining, whereas Golovkin ages 35-36 between the two fights, an age when the fighter is in all realism, likely to be gradually losing speed, reflexes, stamina, resilience, recovery, agility
- Alvarez was at a bigger size disadvantage last time than he will be this time because now he has the experience, adaptation to 160, that the first fight provided him with
- Do we know Alvarez isn't still getting away with taking PEDs?, is he being thoroughly tested?
- Alvarez hit Golovkin with his best shots last time, he couldn't hurt Golovkin, but it is still a certain amount of miles, flush shots, clean, punch resistance aside, is damage, Alvarez took more punches than Golovkin, and he took hos fair share of damaging shots, but how much more did that fight take out of the 35 year old than the 27 year old?

Although I am only 55/45 or 60/40, maximum, of course, I hope Golovkin wins and will be rooting for him, and I would not be surprised if he won, I think the biggest difference, the most important factor, is age, and for that reason, I think Alvarez will win this, let's hope I'm wrong!

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For Golovkin, tactics wise, early, it should be about making Alvarez work hard, draining the legs. Golovkin shouldn't lead with power shots at all, all the power shots he throws should be set up by and follow the jab. Golovkin, when he has Alvarez in the right position, cornered, and has him trapped, he should make it his instinct to attack the body and not the head. Golovkin should keep his eyes on Alvarez's gloves, when Alvarez is tiring, just hit the guard, when those arms come down, when Alvarez can't counter, Golovkin should tee off, body to head, if he doesn't hurt Alvarez, he should wait for Alvarez to pull the trigger, and when he does, just shove the counter jab in his face, and if he is in position, thump in the right hand, and then start pressing again, keep making him move.

It will be very good for boxing if Golovkin wins this, Alvarez is a disgrace to the sport, a drug cheat, and ideally, would be banned for life.

Let's hope Golovkin beats Alvarez!

Matchroom's picture

Had 118-110 could see 117-111 possibly 116-112 but all for GGG. No way Canelo won this fight, just no way.

SalTnutZ1's picture

No.fucking.way

Matchroom's picture

No way it was a draw again either.

Matchroom's picture

GGG except for spurts here and there from Canelo bossed this whole fight imo.

albertocastany's picture

GGG got this

albertocastany's picture

I forgot this is Las Vegas..... Horrible decision

Matchroom's picture

Are you fucking joking me! After what GGG did I could have swore there would have been little doubt.

Champion97's picture

I don't agree with the decision, Alvarez was great, but I think Golovkin was as well, he was better. These are two of the most resilient fighters out there, that was a great fight, better than the first fight, but it was also more damaging than the first fight, and if they have a third fight, Golovkin, older, more miles, you'd wonder what this took out of him. I'm gutted for Golovkin, he needed this win for his legacy, life goes on, he has still had a great career, results wise, he has already sealed his legacy, it was just the win over a fighter of Alvarez's calibre, he did everything but win, it just didn't quite work for him in the end, he might retire, still go down in history, but he also might keep going, fight for world titles again.

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TheUndefeated's picture

Scores posted above speak for themselves. Official judging disappoints us once again.

Gold's picture

If people scored this wide they let their bias get in the way, this was a very close fight, the judging was fair on this one, it could have went either way 115-113 or a draw.

Champion97's picture

I had it 115-113, but emotions run high, if it wasn't for the failed drug tests, the controversy rating would probably be 50%, not 86%, or maybe 60 or 70, but if I'm honest, Golovkin did better than I thought he would, I thought 5 would be the maximum he'd win, but I think it is the minimum.

Edit.
Saw it again, great fight! One of the best of the year, a classic in my book. Had it a draw the second time, anyone's fight, could have gone either way, Alvarez got the benefit of the doubt, got the win, very close fight, awesome fight, but it was damaged by Alvarez's failed drug tests, that's for sure, which is why some people saw the fight to Golovkin by landslide margins.

I knew if it was close Canelo would get the decision, so at least I was prepared for it this time. It was also an amazing fight of the year type fight, but the poor judging does downgrade it a bit. GGG is probably going to have to live with not getting his fair shake from the judges. I thought he turned the momentum around and took over the fight as it went in to the last 4 rounds. He'll get a 3rd fight, but father time will win. As it often goes in boxing, the cashcow gets all the breaks and questionable scores.

Matchroom's picture

No point in a 3rd fight, don't want to see it anyway. Not watching a Golden Boy show again, wont be much of a bother. Wont bother me to not watch any of their fighters, only thing I'll miss is Steve Kim calling undercard fights, but I can still hear him do his thing on Thompson Boxing Promotions shows. I'm not even a fan of GGG really, but this decision hit hard, honestly right now I've lost my interest in the sport altogether. Watching a boxing match sounds really unappealing right now, but if I do watch it will be Matchroom, Top Rank, PBC or Queensberry shows, I'll never watch another Canelo, Munguia or Golden Boy fight again. If most of the good fights in the US didn't get done in Vegas I would be done with it too. Just about there anyway, can't stand the injustice of the sport much more.

Gold's picture

If you think this was a 118-110 robbery you should rewatch the fight without commentary or looking at unofficial scorecards because it was very close and Canelo definitely won more than two rounds, this was far from a Lara vs. Williams robbery.

Champion97's picture

You just can't hold people to the standards you hold yourself to in this scenario, we don't like Canelo, now, you and I want to score the fight, neutral, but if GGG fans who don't like the Cash Cow, Drug Cheat, want to give Golovkin a shutout, let them, why not?

Gold's picture

They are entitled to do that but it defeats the point of scoring fights and discussing them. It's just as bad as Byrd's scorecard to come in with an agenda looking to give Golovkin every round possible. It's hard to talk about a close, competitive fight when many people insist the fight was a robbery that wasn't even close.

Champion97's picture

Well, let's just discuss it amongst the people who didn't score a landslide margin for Golovkin, and let the understandably biased people cool off. Well the biggest difference, the only difference, is that BigLeftHook, Matchroom, Arj Guy aren't being paid, their scorecards have no impact on the fight, Byrd was a professional who did a terrible job. Not when you just talk to other people who scored it neutral, and leave the biased, partial people out of it.

Now for the fight, Golovkin landed more punches, he landed many more jabs, probably not more power punches, but he did land the cleaner, seemingly more hurtful power shots, although Alvarez actually did the more damage, he did all the body work, he was the aggressor, he held centre ring, and although Golovkin soaked up all Alvarez's shots, it seemed like he needed to take a second to soak them up, whereas Alvarez literally walked through Golovkin's power.

I think the Reynoso's got it spot on tactically in terms of pushing Golovkin back, I think that was a big factor in the fight. I think people don't give Golovkin enough credit for his jab, but I suppose he couldn't dictate Alvarez with the jab, still, landed plenty of clean jabs on Alvarez on the way in.

Gold's picture

I'm just saying that people who complain about Byrd's scoring but scored it super wide for Golovkin are doing the same thing but yeah, you are right that they are in way different positions.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with your assessment, and if one fighter (Golovkin) is more active, landing more but they are mostly jabs and the other (Canelo) is pushing the other back, landing mostly power punches and good ones at that, then it's not surprising judges would favor that. I think if Golovkin was 5 years younger he'd have a much easier time walking through Canelo's punches and wearing him down but that didn't happen. Both guys showed a great chin as usual.

That was one thing that really surprised me. I did not consider it a possibility for Canelo to come forward and work the body the way he did. I think that's pretty impressive to do versus a fighter of Golovkin's caliber considering that is not Canelo's style at all. Golovkin still has a great jab, one of the best in boxing, but it's clear other areas are degrading.

Champion97's picture

Hypocritical? Yes, I agree on that.

No not at all, that left hook in round 2 for example, caught him sweet as a nut, and it was the footwork, angles, speed, all the attributes of Alvarez combined with the aggression, he just had more aspects ti his game at times, Golovkin did the fundamentals better, but Alvarez was versatile. 100%, amd as much as we can't just discount Alvarez's win, a 28 year old beating a 36 year old narrowly doesn't necessarily mean he is better in his own right. Golovkin's punch resistance wasn't what it was last time, not much weaker, but slightly. I think the chin is the chin, it isn't like tactical discipline, defence, variety, it is predictable, we knew they had iron chins, the only question was what damage the first fight had done to the quite old fighter.

Very impressive, surprised me as well, and it was almost like roll reversal at times, Golovkin, landing devastating shots flush, but just simply not being able to hurt Alvarez. You have to credit Golovkin for his stamina, I thought he looked like he was gassing, mid, Alvarez had made him work hard, Golovkin looked less comfortable with the pace in the first half, but look at those last few rounds from Golovkin.

Gold's picture

It's not to say Golovkin didn't land good power punches in rounds he didn't win, but the generalization would be what I said. I don't know if I'd say Golovkin did the fundamentals better when Canelo was the one who was able to vary his punch selection successfully landing to the body and head and Canelo's defense was very good as well. It is surprising his footwork was good enough to set himself up, that has been one of the criticisms of Canelo throughout his career. Canelo is a very old 28 though, there are a lot of 28 year old fighters who have zero championship fights and he has well over 10 championship fights of experience. There were some people who predicted a Golovkin KO or a Canelo KO, so it wasn't unanimous that it would go the distance although I definitely thought it would unless one fighter took massive chances.

I don't know, I think Canelo's stamina was more impressive considering how he pushed the action and didn't still gas out like in the last fight. Golovkin hasn't had stamina issues before but he was definitely gassed in the middle rounds. Golovkin's recovery was very good though and without that he wouldn't have had the good finish to the fight he had.

Champion97's picture

The jab is the most fundamental weapon in boxing, and no question about who won the battle of the jabs. For straight shots, standard offence, Golovkin was better I think, but Canelo was more awkward, landed at angles, made Golovkin work, took more of a toll.

Yes but it doesn't matter yet, because it hasn't expired/caught up to him, I mean, 28, that is prime age, Alvarez has never been hurt, that was taxing last night, but usually, he doesn't take that much, he is not fresh as a daisy, but he is not that old for his age I don't think, on yne other hand, he does get hit, that was real damage he took last night, over 50 fights, if he has another 4 more fights like this one, I think we will see him struggle to take punches like he used to, but if the next couple of years aren't as taxing, Alvarez could have a few years yet. I know, but I always thought that was a bit dubious, and maybe some people were trying to win money by betting on a KO on a fight between the best chins in boxing.

He did gas though in rounds 10 and 11, but he had taken steam sapping punches. Golovkin won rounds 9-11 I think, so based on that alone, you can say more for his stamina than Alvarez's. Meh, he looked like he was going to gas, but it wasn't a stamina issue, it was that he was being made to work at a much higher pace, anyone would tire being pushed like that, but considering that, and remembering how he fought in the last 4 rounds, can you question his stamina?, I don't think so. Yes, it was important, and for a fighter approaching his late thirties, it is likely his recovery is declining, another reason why a third fight might seem like a bad idea for Golovkin,

Gold's picture

Okay, but the point of using his jab is to disrupt Canelo or to set up his own offense, and he had a lot of difficulties accomplishing that. Golovkin scoring with the jab only goes so far when Canelo is the more effective power puncher. It's not just about the jab either, Golovkin was effective in spots and won rounds but Canelo fought the cleaner more fundamentally sound fight in my opinion.

This is just nitpicking but he actually was hurt once when he was very young versus Jose Cotto. He's been in some tough competitive fights, not really taken a lot of damage but going the rounds certainly does put some miles on him, I think you'd struggle to find a lot of 28-year-old fighters with more miles on them right now even though I think he's in his prime and could be for at least a few more years. I'd hope people didn't bet on a KO, but a lot of people were really invested in the Golovkin revenge narrative so it's possible you are right.

He was still in the center of the ring boxing, Golovkin was dictating the action though. It wasn't like the first fight in the middle rounds where Canelo was on the ropes trying to conserve energy for quite some time. To me it seemed like Golovkin did gas in those middle rounds he lost, he looked very worn in the rounds and in the corner, so credit to him for finding another gear. I don't know if it was the pace that was the issue, but more of the age like you mentioned, the bodywork done by Canelo and the unexpected stylistic change by Canelo. Unless this fight did poorly in terms of sales which I doubt or Canelo doesn't want it, I think Golovkin will take the third fight, it is too much money to turn down.

Matchroom's picture

Golovkin should have won again, 116-112 at the least again. I'm not debating it, you can say all the normal lines it was close blah blah blah. I am not a fan of either fighter here but GGG won this fight, and was robbed of his record, titles and legacy over money. There is no give here. This is it, I am fed up. Just about with the whole damn thing. You can say I'm being blind fan or childish, and who knows maybe I am but this was just my tipping point. After years of being just like everyone else for years, and making the whole thing a joke as to not get mad about the injustice done by Vegas to the b-side fighter, I've had it. I don't expect you to agree or even understand this is a personal feeling and decision after decades of putting up with this. You do you, and I'll do me.

SalTnutZ1's picture

I hear ya man. Taking a break from the sport for a few days myself. Just disgusted. Call it closer than the first bout or not, both should have been decisions for GGG, not a Draw and an L.

Gold's picture

It should be interesting to see where they both go from here. Canelo has a date booked in December for MSG which would probably be versus Lemieux which sucks, but I don't know if they'll do that fight if they want to do the Golovkin trilogy fight in May. If Golovkin doesn't retire and doesn't get the rematch, I think he can get a fight with Saunders who I don't see Canelo wanting to fight any time soon.

Champion97's picture

I don't mind Alvarez vs Lemieux, fighters can't have 50/50 fights every time, sometimes, they need to stay busy, not fight bums, but a limited, technically poor fighter who has outstanding power, coming off a momentum boosting win, is sufficient for a fight which isnjust a defence, just activity.

Gold's picture

The fight sucks because Canelo has momentum and I don't think anyone who knows about boxing would give Lemieux even a 10% chance to win versus Canelo. If he turns it around quickly and fights again in May versus a good opponent I probably wouldn't complain too much though. Lemieux is a one trick pony, O'Sullivan played right into his hands where Canelo won't, and Canelo has a fantastic chin.

Champion97's picture

We're done with our back and fourth cirle arguments, so this is all I have to say. Yes, of course he would be given a 5% chance or less and a 0.1% chance if he wasn't such a puncher, but as I said, by the standards of an activity fight, coming off a war, a fight for Alvarez in between two big fights.

'if he turns it around quickly and fights again in May versus a good opponent I probably wouldn't complain too much'
That's what I'm saying, it is an activity fight, if this was billed as a meaningful fight, I would 100% agree, but by the standards of a stay busy defence for Alvarez, a fighter as dangerous as Lemieux, is not a bad opponent, by those standards.

All I have to say.

Canelo wins or draws every close fight he is in smdh.
boxing is corrupt as shit. Great fight but yeah.

Canelo wins or draws every close fight he is in smdh.
boxing is corrupt as shit. Great fight but yeah.

Need take out Lemieux and Munguia from the 'people who agreed with decision'. They are both Golden Boy. Else add in De La Hoya and Hopkins as agreeing with it, and all the Golovkin camp as disagreeing lol.

Gold's picture

Sanchez thought it was a draw for whatever that is worth

Champion97's picture

Definitely evidence for those who agree with the verdict, if Golovkin had been robbed, nis trainer would have said so. You have to take your hat off to Sanchez, think hiw easy it would have been to see Golovkin winning 10/12 rounds, but a good trainer, a professional, does not tell their fighter they're winning when they might not be.

Gold's picture

The Mayweather's channel put up a video asking who won the fight, some notable ones, if you want to add them to the description, were: Floyd Sr: Canelo, Andrew Tabiti: Canelo, Dewey Cooper: Draw. There were some people who thought Golovkin won but these were the most notable guys in the video.

Champion97's picture

They neutralised each other for most of the fight, one getting the upper hand for short periods every now and then, landing good shots on each other, but nothing definitive over the entirety of the fight. Golovkin 7-5 for me, but ok with a draw.

They need to do it again until there is a more definitive outcome. That's likely to be Canelo getting a win that everyone can agree with (Golovkin's age and all), but there is no fight out there for either of them that will generate the same amount of cash as III. Its arguably Canelo's least risky option too, as well as it being the most lucrative. Age alone means he'll outlast Golovkin eventually, whereas Jacobs might pose problems he hasn't seen yet. Trilogy it is.

To add to the unofficial scorecards, got this list from reddit (apologies if any duplications or errors):

Barry Jones: 116-112 Golovkin
Steve Bunce: 114-114
Richie Woodall: 115-114 Golovkin
BoxingScene: 114-114
The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin
Bad Left Hook: 114-114, 116-112 Golovkin
David Haye: 115-113 Alvarez
MMA Fighting: 114-114
Robert Garcia: 116-112 Alvarez
Stephen A. Smith (ESPN): 115-114 Golovkin
Teddy Atlas: 117-112 Golovkin
Sports Illustrated (Rollins): 114-114
Joe Castagnino: 115-113 Golovkin
Sporting News: 116-112 Golovkin
SB Nation (Brady): Golovkin (no score given)
USA today: Golovkin 115-113
Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw
Arash Markazi (ESPN): 114-114 draw
Brett Okamoto (ESPN): 114-114 draw
Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw
Eduardo Lamazón (Televisa): 116-112 Golovkin
Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin
Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin
Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin
Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin
Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw
Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin
Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw
Douglass Fischer (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw
Mike Baca II (Ring Magazine and Undisputed Champion Network): 115-113 Golovkin
Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports): Golovkin won
Sherdog.com: 116-112 Golovkin
Jai Bednall (news.com.au): 115-113 Golovkin
Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw
Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin
Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin
Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
The Associated Press: 114-114 draw
Adam Caparell (Complex Sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin
Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly): Canelo won
Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin
Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin
George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw
Gary Melo (SportsNet Canada): Golovkin won
Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin
World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin
Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin
Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV): 114-114 draw
Michelle Rosado (Raging Babe): 115-113 Canelo
Michelle Joy Phelps (Behind the Gloves): 115-113 Golovkin
Lennox Lewis: Golovkin won by 2 rounds
Fight Nights: 115-113 Golovkin
Michael Woods (NYFights.com): two point edge for Golovkin
Dieter Kurtenbach (San Jose Mercury News and the East Bay Times): Golovkin won by 3 rounds
Rafael G (the Fight City): 116-112 Golovkin

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39 for Golovkin, 4 for Canelo, 18 even. Average score (for those who gave them) is 114.84-113.25 for Golovkin

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Also not included that I've seen is George Foreman who said Canelo won 7 rounds and Terence Crawford who said Golovkin won (didn't specify rounds)

Lol so literally no one thought Canelo won this one eh ?

Its awful how Canelo always gets the decision, especially after everything he has done. Golovkin didnt deserve to lose this fight

Canelo will always get the benefit of the doubt.