Carlos Takam vs Dereck Chisora

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Carlos Takam vs Dereck Chisora
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Average: 4.8 (9 votes)

Date: 
Saturday, July 28, 2018
Location: 
O2 Arena, Greenwich, London, England, UK
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
Unlimited
Titles at Stake: 
WBA Heavyweight International Title
Referee: 
Howard Foster

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On the undercard of Dillian Whyte vs Joseph Parker, Carlos Takam (gave Povetkin, Parker problems), and Dereck Chisora (came very close to beating Whyte) battle it out.

The fight is very entertaining, as Takam gets off to a fast start, throwing in an extremely high volume, but Chisora, teak tough, fires back with the heavier punches. Although the slight favourite looks to be the less fatiuiged in rounds 6 and 7, is ahead in the fight, it is Chisora who finishes the fight in round 8, dropping Takam twice, knocking him out.

Dereck Chisora gets a career best win, pulls out a slight upset, beats Carlos Takam by knock out.




Fan Cards: Carlos Takam vs Dereck Chisora


scorecard by KAISERKOBA
Round
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CARLOS TAKAM
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
69
DERECK CHISORA
9
10
9
10
9
9
9
65


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
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CARLOS TAKAM
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
68
DERECK CHISORA
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
65


scorecard by PABLOESCOBAR57
Round
1
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CARLOS TAKAM
10
9
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10
10
10
9
68
DERECK CHISORA
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
65


scorecard by HTTP
Round
1
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4
5
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9
10
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CARLOS TAKAM
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
70
DERECK CHISORA
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
63


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
Round
1
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4
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9
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CARLOS TAKAM
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
69
DERECK CHISORA
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
64


scorecard by MATCHROOM
Round
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CARLOS TAKAM
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
68
DERECK CHISORA
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
65


scorecard by NEWDOWN2031
Round
1
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3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
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12
Total
CARLOS TAKAM
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
69
DERECK CHISORA
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
64


scorecard by MARTIN EDEN
Round
1
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3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
CARLOS TAKAM
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
69
DERECK CHISORA
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
64


scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
CARLOS TAKAM
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
69
DERECK CHISORA
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
64


scorecard by GOLD
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
CARLOS TAKAM
10
9
9
10
9
10
10
67
DERECK CHISORA
9
10
10
9
10
9
9
66


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
CARLOS TAKAM
10
9
9
10
9
10
9
66
DERECK CHISORA
9
10
10
9
10
9
10
67


scorecard by NEWDOWN2030
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
CARLOS TAKAM
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
7
76
DERECK CHISORA
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
74


Comments

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Good match!

I really like this fight.
This is an interesting fight, it has all the makings of an entertaining fight, and what a brilliant card it is part of, more than worth the Pay Per View price in my book.

I think Chisora is probably the favourite, he is more well known than Takam, he has been in more big fights, he is the home fighter, and he has the bigger, better reputation.
Chisora has fought Fury, Haye, Klitschko, Pulev, Whyte, Takam has fought Povetkin, Parker Joshua, just a few big fights, been in less of them than Chisora, he doesn't have as much high level experience, and it can't be a surprise he is the underdog in this fight because Chisora's reputation has been built more by him being in more world level fights.
Chisora is 34, Takam is 37, so Chisora, with a 3 year age advantage.

Takam has a very good chance.
Takam has half a foot of reach on Chisora.
Takam is probably the puncher in this fight, I have seen him and Chisora fight, and it seems almost definite that Takam punches with more power than Chisora, and Takam has a 12% higher KO percentage than Chisora has.
Takam has had a few fights more than Chisora, he has been a professional for a year longer.
Takam has the better amateur background of the two fighters.

For facts, you can definitely make a more convincing case for Chisora winning this, than you can for Takam, but in my opinion, there is more to say for Takam winning this fight than Chisora.

I think Takam will beat Chisora, I'm 60% sure he will win this fight, and I think that because I think Takam is the better athlete, I think he is a young 37 year old, and Chisora is an old 34 year old, Chisora has more miles than Takam.
Out of how they did in their fights which they lost, I have been much more impressed by Takam than Chisora.
After 8 rounds, against Povetkin, the fight was even on the scorecards, Takam was knocked out late, but he really gave Povetkin a challenge, more than most of Povetkin's opponents, he had Povetkin hurt as well. Takam won 4-5 rounds against Parker, didn't win the fight, but didn't let Parker make a big statement, really made a fight of it, showed good boxing ability, a 12 round engine, a granite chin. Against Joshua, Takam may have won only a round or two, or possibly none, and he was stopped, but not only was he stopped clearly prematurely, in round 10 (not bad to get that far against AJ), he was also unfortunate with a cut, and made it so that Joshua had to keep his focus, keep just winning round after round, there were no really outright one sided rounds I recall, and it was not a fight Takam wasn't in, he had a little bit of success, and I think had Phil Edwards not been so stupid, I think the fight would have gone 12.
Unlike Takam, Chisora does not always exceed expectations, he does not always make a fight of it, he was schooled by Pulev, he was schooled by Kabayel, I think he has been declining since the second Fury loss, he took damage in the Haye fight, took damage against Fury, and against Whyte, and against Kabayel, he looked awful, so slow, lethargic, punches didn't bounce off his forehead like they used to. Takam has never been in a fight he lost and not impressed at least slightly, but Chisora, in a few fights, has looked really poor.

You could argue that Takam is not only older than Chisora but less experienced, which is a bad combination, that is a fair point, and it isn't like Takam has lost by almost nothing, he was still very well beaten by Joshua, still knocked out by Povetkin, and on paper, Takam doesn't look better than Chisora, but based on what I have seen, Chisora has been in more toll taking fights, I have seen more decline from Chisora.

To the people who rate Chisora highly, yes, he went 12 with Vitali, won a couple of rounds, made a little bit tough for Klitschko, hurt Fury in their first fight, had a classic fight against Whyte, didn't look so bad against Haye, great, but it's never a win is it?, Chisora has 8 losses, he was unfortunate against Helenius to put it lightly, and if you want to call that a win, that is fair enough, and he beat a past prime Kevin Johnson, but still, those are not big wins at world level, he is much better known for his losses than his wins.
You could also argue, that Takam, well where are his wins?, did great against AJ, Parker, Povetkin, never a win, and you could say Tony Thompson was past prime when he beat him like with Chisora vs Johnson, but the point I'm making, is that in this regard, it's even, both are the same, and that Chisora shouldn't necessarily be the favourite, not necessarily the underdog, but based on this, it is 50/50.

I believe Takam will win this because I think his movement is better, he has a higher output, he is faster than Chisora in hand and foot, and Takam is known for his conditioning and fitness, Chisora has been inconsistent over the years, fought really out of shape, and in recent fights, his output has seemed low, he seems to have quite poor fitness, whenever he swings and misses a big shot, or let's a flurry go, he looks tired, and he needs to rest for a significant amount of time. I think Takam is the defensively stronger fighter of the two.

If Chisora can make it an inside fight, he could win, he is still good on the inside, Takam is not unbeatable, and Chisora has lost at a high level, also, I'm basing him being faded on the Pulev and Kabayel losses, for a good 8 rounds, he was great against Whyte, so maybe he isn't as faded as I think he is, he has been more active than Takam within the last year as well.

I just think that Chisora isn't motivated, consistent enough, and in the ring, he won't have the foot speed, fitness to walk Takam down, he won't be able to make it an inside fight, and he won't be able to deal with Takam's mobility, I think he will have success, Takam is not young, he is declining as well, whenever they exchange, Chisora can overpower Takam, outfight him, and whenever Takam's feet slow down, Chisora can put the pressure on Takam, drag him where he doesn't want to be, but I do not think it will happen often enough, I don't think Chisora will be able to overpower and out slug Takam as often as Takam will be able to move, outspeed, land clean on Chisora with combinations from range, I think Takam will beat him to the punch, I think Chisora will struggle for pace more than Takam, and I think ultimately, Takam will get a UD win.

Matchroom's picture

Great fight! This Matchroom card has been simply awesome.

Champion97's picture

And all those people complaining about it being PPV, especially Fish Eyes Frank Warren, who charged us over double the amount for Fury vs Seferi, tried to rip us off.

Champion97's picture

Gutted for Carlos Takam, but happy for Chisora, what a finish, I wasn't expecting that, I thought he would fade down the stretch, I thought he looked the more tired, he was struggling to produce the output, he took so many punches, but Takam worked at a pace no 37 year old heavyweight can work at for that long, took some big shots himself, and unfortunately for him, he just didn't hold up when he got caught, couldn't recover, and he got knocked flat out.

Takam should retire now, I think the 9-10 month gap wasn't great, but at 37, he still has a lot of miles, Povetkin, Parker, Joshua, all gruelling fights, he tried his best, gambled, fought the wrong fight in my opinion, and couldn't get the other guy out of there, maybe it was a resilience thing, Chisora has always had a good chin, Takam doesn't really I don't think, but he is not the fighter he used to be, even though he put up a great effort, was winning the fight, and could have won the fight in my opinion.

Chisora did very well to produce that finish, it shows, that when he trains his hardest, he can still win fights at this level, he isn't the fighter he used to be, but he proved he is still capable of being a much better fighter than he was against Kabayel. I wonder if Wilder would fight Chisora this year, if not the Whyte vs Parker winner.

SalTnutZ1's picture

I think I'd like to see him and Fury for a 3rd bout if no champ will give him a look. I think that would be a good test for Fury next year to see if he is truly back or not.

Champion97's picture

You ready for Whyte vs Parker?!

Gold's picture

If Takam doesn't have a good chin, what does that say about Joshua's performance versus him?

No way Wilder fights anyone even remotely related to Matchroom before he fights Joshua. That would be bad business by Wilder's team. It would be very ugly for Chisora if he fought Wilder but I wouldn't be mad if Chisora got a big opportunity for a final payday.

Champion97's picture

Do you want the answer? Or are you just making a nuisance of yourself?

Gold's picture

I'd like to hear your justification of it if you think Joshua is a big puncher.

Champion97's picture

Joshua vs Takam was a negative fight, Takam took little over the course of 9 rounds, landed very little, he survived for a while, when Joshua actually did land, you could see the reaction, he hurt Takam whenever he hit him clean, it was just a very negative fight, which is why it went 10. Joshua hits a lot harder than Chisora, but Takam fought a very different fight, Joshua would have needed him less fatuiged and less of a target than he was tonight to get a more explosive KO than Chisora did. Takam is a great athlete, a good fighter, got heart, but he doesn't have a great chin.

Gold's picture

Outright disagree. Perhaps you should search Joshua vs. Takam highlights and you can see all of the flush power shots Joshua hit Takam with and Takam stood in there. Takam did fight differently versus Chisora than Joshua, but he took more punishment and got busted up versus Joshua while Chisora's good clean shot was worth more than Joshua's.

Gold's picture

For the record, I think Joshua is a good cumulative puncher, he can wear guys down and has good power, but his one punch power is not as good as Wilder or Ortiz's.

Champion97's picture

Joshua's one punch power is better than Ortiz's!, not Wilder's, but Ortiz's. Joshua might be the best offensive heavyweight out there, he is accurate, and the way he can land that right uppercut, time it so well, the fight changer against Klitschko, the shot that sparked Whyte, that might be the worst head shot to take, and with that, with the chin-down policy of a boxer, it is a hard shot to lead sweet as a nut, but Joshua has the skill, accuracy, timing to land that shot.

Gold's picture

Joshua has really good skills, the uppercut is a great punch, but Wlad was an old man, not known for his chin and was gassing out. Jennings was competitive versus a younger Wlad who has a huge punch, went the distance with him and got seriously knocked out versus Ortiz. Joshua doesn't have good one punch knockouts on his resume for whatever that is worth.

Champion97's picture

He does not have a granite chin, put it that way. They were not flush shots, not Joshua's hardest because of Takam's mobility, there were not that many clean punches in that fight, Takam didn't let Joshua look good, but couldn't outbox Joshua, that is why people think it was a poor performance, although he was heavy for that fight, Joshua. Just think about it, Chisora had a fatuiged, vulnerable target, Joshua didn't, Chisora can not produce a gight finisher which is better than Joshua's best fight finisher or close, Takam was moving, defending against Joshua as Joshua threw, he respected Joshua's power, he didn't respect Chisora's power, and there was a lack of defence, lack of movement, which is why he took all Chisora's power but not all Joshua's, and Takam was using his brain, moving in that same gear against Joshua, against Chisora, he emptied his tank trying to get him out of there.

Gold's picture

The argument wasn't if he had a granite chin or not, its if he had a good one or not. That's the weight lifter's fault he couldn't cut off the ring because he was too heavy. Joshua did hit him with flush hard shots, I don't know why you would argue that when you can watch them yourself. He wasn't much heavier than he was versus Wlad. Chisora looked really faded himself, Takam was walking him down. What is Joshua's best fight finisher? Stopping Wlad on the ropes? Knocking out an absolute bum in Zumbano Love? If Takam didn't respect Chisora's power after he took a few rounds of those big body shots, I don't really know what to say. Takam looked better for wear going into the late rounds versus Chisora than Chisora did.

Champion97's picture

You are the most annoying shit I've ever come across on the Internet, you just make stuff up, can't handle anyone else making good points.

You can't be serious, you are talking down Joshua's power you idiot. Joshua hurts guys, is on top in one sided fights, the ref saves them from getting sparked. He stopped Wlad, look at those KDs, the Johnson KO, the Breazeale finish. He didn't hit Takam flush very often, it was a negative fight.

Sure, clown, the body shots from Chisora took their toll when it suited you, but Takam was fine and the KO was independent the next minute, make up your mind.

Gold's picture

Haha no need to get so revved up about it.

Takam, who did not run like you said, took flush power shots and stood in there versus Joshua. Joshua is an accumulation puncher versus top-level opposition. He went life and death with old man Wlad who is known for questionable chin and stamina off a one and a half year layoff after being shutout by Fury. Wlad nearly stopped Joshua but he gassed out and eventually finished on the ropes. You can watch the Takam fight yourself and see Joshua hit him plenty of times clean and Takam took them.

Chisora looked like he was going to lose going into the final round, that doesn't conflict with Takam getting damaged and dropping his hands because Chisora had invested in going to the body earlier. It wasn't an accumulation of punches that got the actual knockout for Chisora, but an accumulation of punches got Takam to lower his guard.

Champion97's picture

You been in the ring?

Gold's picture

Joshua may not even be the second best puncher at Heavyweight, I'd personally rate Ortiz better. When I think of great punchers at Heavyweight, I think of someone like young George Foreman, when he hit people with his best clean shot, they were hitting the deck, he didn't need rounds to build up the punishment. That version of George Foreman knocks out Anthony Joshua for my money.

Champion97's picture

Take that as a no.

Grow a pair before you run your mouth.

'Add that one round fight for me'
'You didn't watch that fight just scored it so I'm crying about it'
'David Price got a weak knockdown'
'You can move up to a new weight category, fight a career fighter at that weight and not be at a size disadvantage for that fight'
'Pacquiao is shot now, Horn beating him not impressive but he gives Lomachencko problems'
'I know boxing better than boxers'
'The champion isn't the A-side'
'2 good rounds and stopped in 8 is better than 3-5 rounds over 12'
'Paulie Malignaggi a bad analyst I hate his accent'
'I hate Horn because he believed he could beat Crawford'
'Extremely ugly and terrible fight'

Gold's picture

I believe I proved my point about all of those discussions, many of which you misrepresented, but you just didn't get it which is fine. I am fine with moving on, you are the one who consistently brings up old discussions.

Champion97's picture

Joshua finished off Whyte with a devastating right uppercut, sparked him.

I don't think KOs, one punch Knockouts!, are important, not the be all and end all, it is hard to say they aren't more impressive, because there is something about a one punch KO, but definitely, being smart, breaking fighter down, beating the fight out of him, is very impressive in a different way. Joshua might not have Wilder power, he doesn't have top top natural power, maybe not, but he still has a lot of power, is very heavy handed, his sheer size and bulk helps his power, but it is more tha he is a brilliant offensive fighter, has great output for a heavyweight, has great variety, and an uppercut, a classic, jarring uppercut, worst head shot to take probably, that is not an easy punch to land at this level, Joshua has the timing of a great fighter, the accuracy as well.

Gold's picture

His reliance on the uppercut may cause him issues versus Wilder/Fury (if Fury gets it together again). It's going to be really difficult for him to land it on them when they are taller opponents who want to box on the outside.

Champion97's picture

I don't think he relies on the uppercut, he doesn't throw it that much, he throws it at the right time, he has plenty of variety, Joshua, underrated jab. The height issue could be an adjustment for all of them, because none are used to fighting opponents nearly as tall as them, but Joshua is the shortest I suppose. I think Joshua is a great outside fighter, I was impressed with his jab against Parker, and I think we will see more his jab against Povetkin and in other fights. I think Joshua could still execute a good setup and land that devastating uppercut on Fury and Wilder, but it would take patience, I don't see an outside fight necessarily being a problem for Joshua. I think Joshua's jab to the body would be a good weapon against them, he used it well against Parker.

You got Joshua 2nd after Wilder?

Gold's picture

I don't know if it is true that the height will be an issue for any of them versus each other. They have all fought legitimate Super Heavyweights. I feel like the Whyte vs. Parker fight devalued the Parker win for Joshua but yeah he showed he can box well. It is very hard and risky to land the uppercut at Heavyweight when the other guy is taller. I don't think Joshua will try it often if he faces Wilder or Fury. The issue with Fury theoretically for Joshua is the same as it was for Wlad, he's going to move around a lot, use a lot of feints and strategically outpoint him, if theoretically Fury somehow got back up to his old abilities, I think Fury would be a big problem for Joshua on the outside. It would be interesting to see if Wilder could get Joshua a little gunshy on the outside because of his jab and power.

I have Joshua as my #1 Heavyweight due to his resume.

Champion97's picture

Devalued as in how it looks? Or do you now think Joshua's win over Parker is less impressive than you thought before Whyte beat him? No, I agree, but what I'm saying is, he won't and really doesn't throw it often, but when he has the timing on it right, positioning, he can land that shot like Fury and Wilder can't, with a certain amount of precision, it only takes one remember, when he beat Klitschko, it wasn't that the general pace was too much for Klitschko, he took most of Joshua's punches quite well, I don't even think Joshua's final punches were even hurting Klitschko that much in themselves, he just could not recover from that jarring right uppercut which jarred his head up extremely hard, I don't think any fighter can take that shot and not be hurt. I agree, Fury's movement, range control is brilliant, Joshua would take more risks than Klitschko, he would take more shots from Fury, but he do a lot more himself, Joshua is versatile, Fury was able to nullify Klitschko's jab, you'd think if he can do that to Klitschko, he could do the same against Joshua, but Joshua's output is higher, Fury might not nullify the jab to the body as easily, but definitely, if Joshua could make Fury work, take some risks, but let Fury move around and exert his legs, let Fury move, but make sure it is pressured movement. I think they'd both by gunshy, it would be about who can punish the other guy for a mistake.

But would he beat Wilder in your book?

Gold's picture

Devalued in that Whyte was able to beat him, granted, they were totally different fights. Yeah I agree, the uppercut is great but he has to be in position to land it, he was able to do it versus an old Wlad but will he be able to do it versus Wilder or Fury? That is yet to be determined. I agree he would take more risks than Wlad did, but I think stylistically the best version of Fury is all wrong for guys like Wlad and Joshua. I don't think Joshua has faster feet than Wlad did at that time, and that's one of the most important parts to punishing Fury's style. That's why I think Wilder is a worse matchup for Fury than Joshua, Wilder is faster and will be able to wear on Fury more easily. Wlad's output seems to be underrated now because of the Fury fight, he had better than average output for the Heavyweight division during his title reign. It's just that Fury's style really made it difficult for him.

Joshua vs. Wilder at this point is a 50/50 fight in my view

If Kovalev was to give it one more effort, would you like to see Kovalev vs. Beterbiev (assuming the boxing politics could work out)? I think Beterbiev is by far the weakest belt holder and it would be a good amateur grudge match given Kovalev believes he was robbed by Beterbiev back in the day.

Champion97's picture

I think Parker was not at his best against Whyte, it was too soon, but another way of looking at it, is that it might be ore of a positive for Whyte than a negative for Joshua. Good question, I think he can, Wlad doesn't have a good chin, but it has always been hard to find his chin, so it says a lot that Joshua could land it against him, I think he can definitely land it against Wilder, but I think against Fury as well. I agree, the best Firy is close to unbeatable. I don't think Joshua has slow feet, but I agree, he isn't as nimble as Klitschko was, but I just think with Joshua, Fury would struggle to engage, because of the power and variety of Joshua, and if Joshua knows that, he doesn't have to work too hard, he can just let Fury exert movement, and when they go into the trenches in the second half, Joshua can swing the fight in his favour. He's also more flawed, and easy to hit than Joshua, and although Wilder is more fleet footed than Joshua for the duration of the rounds, but he really holds his ground and sinks into the canvas when he throws, just the way he fights, but it makes him more vulnerable to taking the full power of a counter. I don't remember his output being that high, I remember him having that commanding jab, but he didn't struggle to do enough work against most opponents, but no wasn't Klitschko labelled 'boring' because he did what was necessary to keep winning the rounds? Wasn't he a smart, controlled fighter who threw just enough but nothing more than that? I think Klitschko was too intelligent for his own good against Fury, Klitschko throws when therevis an opening, when he is very confident it is going to land, but against Fury, he might have found literally less than 5 of those chances.

It was 90/10 for Joshua last September, what changed your mind? Wilder beat Ortiz but you said he looked terrible and hisnpower bailed him out, which I don't agree with, were you just not impressed by Joshua against Takam and Parker?

Not particularly, I think just retire, if now isn't the time to hang up the gloves, when is? We've seen his best, when he beat Hopkins, fought Ward and had a great 6 rounds in each fight, then won a world title again, what more does he have to prove? He just got battered, he is 35, only getting worse, no I don't want to see Kovalev in the ring again. So you think Kovalev vs Beterbiev would be interesting because Beterbiev is an ease off from Alvarez? Fair enough, but I don't agree, and I definitely thini Beterbiev is better than Stevenson at this point, so no, I don't want to see Kovalev fight any of the champions. Beterbiev vs Johnson should be good, but I know you don't like crediting fighters based on lower level wins when they haven't beaten anyone at woeld level, but I think Johnson is very good.

Gold's picture

The issue is that Whyte arguably lost to Derrick Chisora less than two years ago and I don't think he has improved much since then. Even though Parker looked really bad I also don't think he beats Parker with a good quality referee like Jack Reiss who wouldn't have called the knockdown and would have docked him a point for how dirty he was fighting. I don't really know how well I rate the Wlad win for Joshua, the guy was old and coming off a really long layoff, I definitely don't rate it better than Fury's win like some people somehow do but it was likely Joshua's best performance and win. Wlad wasn't at his best when Fury beat him either but Wlad still had an absolute cannon at that point, enough to put Joshua on the deck, but he just couldn't find the range/rhythm to land it versus Fury. I think Joshua would have the same issues versus prime Fury. I also don't think it is a given Joshua would be able to take it into the trenches versus Fury, we've seen Joshua have some difficulty with guys who will move before. It surprised me too when I looked it up a while back, but it is actually true about Wlad. He was really good at outpointing guys and Fury totally dominated him at that, I think that is a big credit to Fury. I think Joshua would have to fight more strategically versus Fury like he did versus Parker which is more like Wlad used to.

I watched the Wilder Ortiz fight again, I underrated Ortiz's ability and power. I do think Wilder's power bailed him out, but power also gave George Foreman blowout wins versus Joe Frazier and Ken Norton, when it is that much power sometimes not a lot else is needed. I wasn't impressed by Joshua versus Takam or Parker really but the Parker fight I kind of write off, I think Joshua could have done better if the referee let him work on the inside.

I think he should retire too, but I think Beterbiev would be an interesting fight. Beterbiev did not impress me at all versus Koelling, an opponent he should have definitely stopped earlier. I think Stevenson would win honestly after seeing him do well versus Badou Jack. I think Johnson has a good shot if he can box, I know he stopped Buglioni in one round but that's basically all I know about him.

What do you think about the potential fight between Big Baby and Adamek? I don't really understand why Eddie would make that fight, Miller is going to be expected to roll over Adamek, it is kind of a no win situation in my view.

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I feel like that Adamek fight is just red meat for the Polish fans in Chicago, as there are a ton, and to get Miller into the WBC rankings, as he isn't currently, and with Adamek ranked #24, a win against him would likely launch him into the rankings, whatever that's worth. Those are the only two reasons that make any sense, because otherwise, like you said, no win situation in terms of fan perspective.

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Those are really good points, I guess I always associate New Jersey and New York with Polish boxers in America so that wasn't on my radar. Adamek still has a name I guess but I would have rather seen Miller fight Pulev in Bulgaria. If he did that and won I would have given him a lot more credit than I would for beating Adamek.

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Same. I live in Kansas City, and have a lot friends/family in Chicago, so that is really the only reason I know/think about the Polish fans there; a huge amount. Adamek is big in that community for obvious reasons, and hasn't fought there much, so this as a send off fight in America could actually bring some fans to the arena, though it won't put any more eyes on the television to watch it. The WBC angle is the only other portion that makes sense, since somehow Miller isn't ranked at all by them currently. I would have rather seen that, too, as that would have been a more competitive fight, and would have proven more than beating Adamek at this point. This is a no win, as he either beats an old fighter, or somehow losses and all future opportunities are diminished significantly.

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I don't agree at this point, I don't think we should read much into that anymore, good fighters have close calls, granted, I wasn't impressed, but he's beaten Parker now, Parker boxed well against Joshua, beat Ruiz, Fury, Takam, I mean we knew he was a good fighter, I think Whyte has improved over the last year or two, and he could have done better against Chisora, and to be honest, I think Chisora is a drugs cheat, wouldn't put it past him, and I find the power we saw from him against Whyte and Takam, a bit suspicious, not devastating punchers are suspicious, but what is suspicious is him not being a puncher, and us never really seeing much power from him before he was 33, when a puncher is a puncher like Chisora seems to be now based on the Takam win, we see their developed power easily by the time they are 30. I am not saying Chisora IS on something, I'm saying I SUSPECT he is. I still don't agree about that being a seriously dirty fight, scrappy, messy. but nothing malicious. I think best vs best, Parker beats Whyte, but even if that is true, which it may or may not be (it's maybe 60-70% in my opinion), the fact is, Whyte won, fair and square, and we have to give him credit for that, Parker is young, might have his best years ahead of him, he is very good, but he is tested, he's been in against Joshua, we both thought Whyte would lose, he proved us both wrong, so we have to give him credit and acknowledge he's better than we thought.

You have to rate it, I mean, that was a motivated, conditioned, experienced Klitschko, and Joshua was 27, 18-0, hadn't fought anyone good apart from Whyte and that was a British level grudge match really, I mean if you don't give him credit for that, you must be able to count impressive wins on your fingers. Actually though, I strongly agree with what yiu say there, people say 'Joshua beat the better Klitschko, Klitschko didn't do anything against Fury and that's why he lost' well that's lack of thinking, because the facts are, Klitschko was a over a year younger when he fought Fury, he hadn't fought for twice as long as ideal, maybe more, and he was at home against Fury, away against Joshua, Fury made Klitschko look bad, made him look older than 39 if you ask me, Joshua fought a great fight, won, but he couldn't make Klitschko look bad, Canelo looked like he'd been hyped up, was not that good when he fought Mayweather because he fought Mayweather, Povetkin looked overrated when he fought Klitschko because he fought Klitschko, Postol looked clueless, very limited against Crawford, but at 34, quite inactive, he just legitimately made a fight against Josh Taylor, very close. It isn't a given, but I think he can. Boxing is about timing, Fury wasted a good 2 years, was obese, drugs, Joshua was active, consistent, I do not believe Fury can ever beat Joshua or Wilder now.

So did I, I read too much into his weak resume (you must have done as well) and how dreadful he was against Scott, but what we have to remember he is a hardcore deug cheat, failed at least two drug tests, he has high blood pressure, why does a 40 year old have high blood pressure? Stress?, I don't think so, I think he is too young, it is a side affect of steroid use. Well I think they were both robbed of success by Quarterone.

I didn't see that fight, Beterviev impressed me agaknst Prieto and Cloud, he is unbeaten, he didn't lose rounds vs Koelling did he? Beterbiev seems to be another one of these guys who has great amateur pedigree, and does well as a pro, not marketable, not well managed or promoted, but keeps winning. Well there is definitely an argument for that, but he is 40, and Jack is not top 5 in the division in my opinion, then again, he's easily top 10, strong at 175, and I predicted him to get stopped against Jack, it was a draw, so I underestimated Stevenson, but I still think he is the weakest of the 4 champions, and also, think about the damage and wear and tear from the Jack fight, 40 is always old in boxing as we both know. He's untested, let's see how he does against Beterbiev.

I don't know, I would definitely like to see him fight tougher opposition, he needs tests, but maybe that is all they could get. I wouldn't mind seeing Miller vs Ortiz. I agree, because he doesn't prove anything if he wins, it's better than nothing. I think Miller is very good, but I might be wrong, let's hope he gets tested sooner or later.

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That is true that a lot of good fighters have close calls or controversial decisions, but I just don't see a lot to be impressed with from Parker or Whyte. I don't know if I would say there is anything suspicious about Chisora, he is just a mercurial guy, some fights like versus Takam he seems in good shape and well prepared but others like the Kabayel fight he seems like he couldn't be bothered. If you remove the early prospect level points wins he has finished 21 out of 24 of his victories fighting at a British level or higher. He has had a good punch throughout his career. I really do believe it was a dirty fight but a lot of the blame goes to Ian John Lewis, he is supposed to stop that kind of stuff, he didn't, and Parker didn't retaliate when he should have after Ian John Lewis showed he didn't care. I don't really buy into him winning fair and square, if the knockdown was correctly ruled then it would have been a split draw. Not to be super negative but I doubt we will see Parker win another championship again, I just don't think the guy has the mentality to do that. One thing I will give Whyte credit for is he understands his strengths and weaknesses, he knew what fight he had to fight versus Parker to win even if it involved some illegal tactics.

Yeah, I do rate it, I just don't know how much I rate it. I agree with the rest of the paragraph except for the end, Fury is not old, it is still theoretically possible he could get back to the level he is at, but that is yet to be seen. If the Wilder vs. Fury fight actually happens and he somehow wins I personally would rate him as the #1 Heavyweight in the world, would you?

Yeah, I knew he could punch due to the Jennings fight, but he hadn't been proven at a high level, he didn't get the chances, partially because of the drug issues you mentioned and partially because of his style/background. Outside of the Joshua vs. Parker fight, Quarterone also notably scored Chisora vs. Helenius to Helenius, Andrade vs. Culcay to Culcay, Sturm vs. Chudinov rematch to Sturm, the guy just doesn't have a clue or is willfully ignorant I guess.

I haven't seen the Prieto fight but Cloud was a finished fighter by the time he got to Beterbiev. Unsurprisingly he is promoted by Yvon Michele who is an absolutely terrible promoter. He has done his job of winning every fight thus far, and he won every round versus Koelling but that was a layup fight where he seemed really complacent with just doing enough to win rounds until he finally stepped on the gas in the twelfth round and stopped Koelling which he seemingly could have done many rounds ago. The ESPN broadcast of that fight is really funny, Teddy Atlas can't pronounce Gvozdyk's name but uses Ingemar Johansson as a reference point for what Beterbiev should be doing and then has what seems to be a 15-minute argument with Mark Kriegel about who is making the fight bad, Beterbiev or Koelling. Far more entertaining than the fight itself. 40 is very old, I agree he could decline quickly but I was impressed to see his power and ability to set it up was still there.

I assume it was probably the best guy they could get since they didn't take the Pulev IBF eliminator fight. The fight is going to pay given it is on the new DAZN contract so I'm sure if there was a better opponent available they would have taken him. I would be surprised if they did much more than keep him busy with mid-grade prospects for a year or so more until he gets his shot at the Joshua sweepstakes.

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I know Fury is not old at all, especially for a heavyweight, but he already has miles from earlier fights, substance abuse is terrible, cocaine is bad for the brain, and most of all, will he stay consistent for very long? If Fury beat Wilder or Joshua then definitely, without a shadow of a doubt I would rank him number 1.

I didn't know that! What a buffoon! Those are 3 terrible, terrible cards, I had Culcay and Sturm winning 4 rounds, Helenius winning 3 rounds. Boxing in Finland is a mistake, Abril beat Tatli by a landslide, could have even been a shutout, but that was an MD. I wonder how much Quarterone was paid to take entertainment and interest away from a heavyweight unification fight, help rob 2 fighters and try to rob another.

True, I was just impressed by how dominant he was. Well based on what you say about the Koelling fight, maybe he needs to be challenged, lack of motivation to stop an opponent, carrying an opponent, when a fighter does that, the fighter is not occupied. So was I, if he was younger he would have won, be blew a gasket after 6 rounds, in 7-9, it looked like my prediction was right, but in round 10, even exhausted, Stevenson can still land a clever, spiteful shot, and I think as well, he couldn't regain his power, slow recovery, but I think hurting a fighter to the body doesn't always even take much power, just hit them with a clean body shot they don't see coming, a shot which hits the liver, and you will hurt them, I remember when Bundu almost knocked Gavin out, Bundu said, he hardly hit him, it was just accurate, and Gavin didn't see it coming.

Why not take the Pulev fight? If you are Miller, surely you want to make a statement, you can't make a statement against Adamek, you elevate your career if you beat a fighter of the calibre of Pulev.

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Another concern I have about Fury is that he isn't with Peter Fury anymore. Ben Davison is getting him back into shape but he isn't a real trainer like Peter Fury is.

Yeah if he stopped Koelling easily and early like he did with Cloud I would have been impressed too and I think there would be a lot more hype around Beterbiev. If he wasn't motivated I'm not sure what will make him motivated, that was his first big shot on network TV for a world title versus a German domestic level fighter.

Well, they lost the purse bid and the fight was going to be in Bulgaria, if I had to venture a guess I would say Miller wasn't very confident about his ability to stop Pulev and the scorecards could be a potential issue with Pulev being at home. That is just my guess though. Hearn doesn't need the IBF mandatory to get a fight between Joshua and Miller, but I guess it would have been at least somewhat worthwhile to control the mandatory position.

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Wow!! Definitely a fight of the year candidate! Takam really bulldozed Chisora and, frankly, I thought it wouldn't be long until the ref stopped it. Takam was really relentless and that was a great performance from him. But what a knockout!! Could be win the tripple crown of UPSET, KNOCKOUT and FIGHT OF THE YEAR, in my opninion!!

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In my opinion, Takam fought the wrong fight, put too much into it, Chisora has a great chin even now, why expend so much early? That was a great finish from Chisora, it has to be said, I think he should be in a big fight this year.