Seems like, whether through legit reasons or not, he found himself in the worst possible spot. Mandatory defense against a game, but older Murray, give that fight up for a big payday against GGG in a unification(which would have been a big payday at least for dumping the title), to now fighting a dangerous opponent in his prime, who is awkward, not a huge name, and will pay the least. Hopefully for him, his injury was legit, because if this was all business, he found himself in a real shitty spot. I wouldn't be surprised if he vacates, if he can secure a bigger payday against DeGale in a move up fight.
Murray was a voluntary defense, the WBO wouldn't remove someone's mandatory status just because the champion "can't" make it in the ring with them. I definitely don't think he will vacate the title, his title is his big ticket versus Golovkin or Canelo which is a lot bigger payday than he would get versus DeGale. Who do you like to win, Saunders or Andrade?
I meant to put voluntary, but was thinking of his mandatory in DA. I think that is the bigger fight, too. But by then, the winner of the IBF title fight could be the bigger payday compared to BJS, I'm not sure. I think BJS can be a slick fighter, but if you get in and rough him up, I think you can beat him. Can DA do that is the question?
I think Saunders vs Andrade would be awesome, 50/50 fight more or less, but you know what?, I'd lean towards Andrade, I think he has the skills, but he also has the work rate, the 12 round engine to beat Saunders, I think that might be the difference, both guys are southpaws, both guys are slick, both have a lot of skill, both are counter punchers, both have good amateur backgrounds, especially Andrade, but I think Andrade would just be more active, maybe take it from Saunders late, as the fighter with the better stamina, but Saunders is good, he isn't a puncher, but he uses every bit of power he has to set you up and make you vulnerable. That fight would be awesome, but I don't see Warren agreeing to it unless it is ordered.
"Jarrell Miller's promoter Dmitry Salita revealed they have NOT been able to make a deal with Kubrat Pulev's backers for their IBF final eliminator to take place in neutral territory, therefore HUGHIE FURY will now likely be called to face Pulev."
"Heavyweight contender Jarrell "Big Baby" Miller formally declined a world title elimination fight with Kubrat Pulev on Tuesday, opting instead to pursue a path with another organization.
On June 25, Epic Sports & Entertainment won an IBF purse bid to gain promotional rights for a fight meant to produce one of the mandatory challengers for unified world titleholder Anthony Joshua.
Epic Sports, which does not promote either fighter, bid a whopping $2,111,111 to beat the only other bidder, Team Sauerland, which bid $1,000,010. Team Sauerland promotes Pulev, but they are on the outs and Pulev's contract is soon to expire.
Miller would have earned a career-high purse of $527,777.75 (the 25 percent of the winning bid he was entitled to), but his co-promoters, Greg Cohen and Dmitry Salita, notified the IBF on Monday, which was the deadline to send the organization a signed contract, that Miller would not take part in the bout.
"On behalf of Jarrell Miller we are informing the IBF that we are turning down the fight offer to face Kubrat Pulev," the promoters wrote to sanctioning organization. "We greatly appreciate the opportunity the IBF has afforded us and look forward to continuing our close working relationship."
Epic Sports promoter John Wirt was disappointed Miller's camp rejected a high-stakes fight between two bona fide contenders.
"Miller lives up to his moniker, 'Big Baby,'" Wirt told ESPN.
Pulev (25-1, 13 KOs), 37, had already signed for the fight and returned the contract to the IBF. He is aiming to earn a second world title shot after suffering a fifth-round knockout loss to then-unified world champion Wladimir Klitschko in 2014. Pulev has won five fights in a row since and will be ordered to face another opponent by the IBF in the elimination bout. Dillian Whyte previously turned down the fight with Pulev after Epic Sports also won that purse bid in order to accept a better deal to face former titlist Joseph Parker on July 28.
Wirt tried to sell Pulev-Miller to HBO, which he said was not interested, so he planned to put the fight on Sept. 1 in Pulev's hometown of Sofia, Bulgaria, where is a superstar.
Cohen told ESPN that had the fight been set to take place in the United States, they may have accepted the bout.
"It didn't make sense to go over to Bulgaria. You know, overseas weird things happen. It wasn't meant to be," Cohen said. "So we are going the WBA route."
Cohen said Miller is already in position to be the mandatory challenger for the winner of the long overdue mandatory fight between Manuel Charr (31-4, 17 KOs), the WBA's secondary titlist, and Fres Oquendo (37-8, 24 KOs), who are scheduled to fight on Sept. 29 in Cologne, Germany.
"The winner of that fight must fight Jarrell Miller within 90 days," Cohen said. "We are considering a potential tune-up fight for sometime in September to early October for Jarrell. Dmitry and I are discussing some options, but the agenda now is to fight the winner of Charr and Oquendo for the WBA regular title."
Miller (21-0-1, 18 KOs), 29, of Brooklyn, New York, whose last two fights were televised by HBO, has defeated three consecutive former world title challengers: Gerald Washington by eighth-round knockout, Mariusz Wach by ninth-round stoppage and, on April 28, Johann Duhaupas by lopsided unanimous decision."
I think Miller beats Charr with less difficulty than Pulev, Pulev is awkward, good fighter, underrated in his prime, but I think Miller would have beaten him with consistent pressure, sustained bullying, and heavy hands, but I think Charr gives Miller about as much trouble as Washington, I think Charr is good, but he isn't on Miller's level. Miller, at the moment, I think is the biggest threat to Joshua and Wilder, I don't think he beats them, but I think he is top 3 in his division.
I think he is a good fighter, but I still think Parker is the 3rd best in the division. He is a very good boxer, with a great chin, and can have a good pace and work rate, and I think the shape he is in would give him the edge, even though I do know Miller carries his weight well. I don't know if Miller could slow him down enough or consistently outwork him. If both win their next fights, I think that would be a great proving ground match up for him.
Champ. What do you think of the matchup that may come out of this, being Hughie and Pulev? I think this would be a good opportunity for Hughie, should he win, to be in position for a real title shot again. This time next year, if all goes right, he might be looking at a World title shot.
Great fight, interesting fight, could be very technical. That would be a tricky test for Fury, Pulev is experienced, awkward, and very skilled, but I think Fury is good enough to beat him now, but still, interesting fight. In my opinion, Hughie Fury is a top 5 fighter at heavyweight, gives Joshua and Wilder real problems, I could see him beating Parker and Miller, maybe not, but those would be interesting fights, I think apart from maybe those 4, I think Fury beats everyone, even Povetkin and Ortiz, who are just behind him I think, as skilled, experienced fighters with great amateur pedigree, only lost once, but still have lost at the highest level, and both old.
If you can see him possibly beating Parker, what has changed since he lost to Parker?
I think that was the making of him, it was the experience he needed, he didn't get beaten up, he just got pressured and bullied, but it was 12 rounds, a level he hadn't been at before, and he's very young, at an age when he is only maturing and improving. Parker vs Fury would be a 50/50 fight in my opinion, but on the basis that boxing is a business, I think the rematch is unlikely.
"Earlier today, former unified heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, who has fought just once since defeating Wladimir Klitschko in 2015, revealed that a showdown with WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder is at an advanced stage of discussions.
Fury, 29, looked somewhat labored in his comeback fight, a fourth-round retirement of Sefer Seferi in June, in what was his first bout since the Klitchsko fight.
The Brit’s comeback continues on August 18 against Italian Francesco Pianeta at Northern Ireland’s Windsor Park, and if he comes through that unscathed, the focus will switch to Wilder later this year.
"I can confirm that me and Deontay Wilder are in negotiations and it's very close to being done,” Fury said via the Manchester Evening News.
“It's out there now and I can reveal that negotiations are very strong for December and we're almost done with this deal. I won't be overlooking Francesco Pianeta. He's going to give me the right fight and the right work to prepare me for Wilder."
“I'm going to flatten [Pianeta] first and then Wilder, let's dance. You've been dealing with Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua but I am a man of my word and if I say I'll fight you, I'll fight you. Prepare well, train hard and let's get the deal done. I will knock Pianeta into next week and then I'll knock you spark out too."
Representatives of Wilder confirmed Monday that they are negotiating a fight with Fury for the fall.
Wilder was last in action back in March, when he survived near disaster in a wild seventh round - to score a tenth round knockout over Luis Ortiz.
“Both teams want the biggest fight possible,” said Jay Deas, trainer and manager for Wilder, to the Tuscaloosa News.
“This would be an enormous fight, just enormous. One thing I can say for certain: If this can be worked out, Deontay Wilder would have been involved in the two biggest fights of 2018, Wilder-(Luis) Ortiz and Wilder-Fury. And if he were to win against Fury, as we fully expect, then Deontay would be an international superstar in control of the boxing world.
“This would be fight of the year. We’d have 13 feet, 4 inches (Fury is 6-foot-9, Wilder 6-7) and 500 pounds of hard-punching, trash-talking, knockout heavyweights.”"
It is somewhat hard to tell if this is just a part of negotiations for Joshua vs. Wilder and a way for Fury to get himself in the news or an actual negotiation. I think Fury may be crazy enough to do it, but I don't think he would have a good chance at this point in his comeback. I'd like to see him vs. Pianeta first though before I make a real prediction because it does look like he is getting more weight off. If it was right after Klitschko vs. Fury I'd predict Fury to win, but their styles really do clash heavily. Apparently, the WBC is okay with Wilder taking a voluntary defense, so it is possible for the Fury fight to happen instead of fighting Breazeale or Whyte.
With talks of Jaime Munguia appearing on the GGG-Canelo undercard, who do you guys believe could be, or should be his next opponent? With his mandatory out of the way, and a unification looking unlikely to materialize in this short of time frame, it looks like he'll grab someone from the WBO top 10. I'm hearing WBO #2 contender Dennis Hogan is being looked at to fight on the card already, so he'd make an obvious, albeit noncompetitive fight, in my estimation, but his holding of 2 WBO trinkets might make this match-up happen. Only other obvious fights seem to be Julian Williams, who expressed interest last week in the fight. Thoughts?
Hogan would make sense considering they likely want a showcase fight. I'd be surprised if they put him in there with Julian Williams because Williams will likely make it a competitive fight and has at least a shot at winning. Williams also has a promotional conflict as a PBC fighter. If Golden Boy can actually get Munguia as the co-main in a showcase, Lemieux vs. O'Sullivan and Chocolatito in a showcase that would be a massive improvement over the first Canelo vs. Golovkin undercard.
Yeah, I thought the Williams fight was less likely, just looking into it, he was the only other guy who was a serious challenger to express any interest in that fight. I agree, that lines up to be a very good undercard. I wonder how Lemieux will look back down at 160, after struggling to make weight just over and over. I don't rate him or Spike very high, but I've seen Lemieux at a higher level at his peak, so would expect him to be able to pull that out, though I know they are featuring him with the expectation of feeding him to Spike. The return of Chocolito will be good, too, though his fight looks like it would be less competitive. I wonder if they try to make a fight for Ryan Garcia on that card, too. I figure Oscar wants to promote one of his young prospects as well, and Tanajara is scheduled to fight this coming Friday, so he won't be able to turn around that quick.
Julian Williams would be a tough test, bold move, he is very good, but when he stepped up, fought Charlo, he got knocked out, so maybe with the Ali and Smith fights, Munguia should be ready for Williams. I wouldn't like to see Munguia on the undercard of Golovkin vs Alvarez II, I'd rather see him on the Jacobs vs Derevyanchenko undercard, he doesn't need to fight that often, not 2 months between world title fights is too often.
It'a certainly not ideal, but if he does, it would likely be Hogan, as they'd view that as an easy fight that shouldn't tax him much, then probably give him the rest of the year off. Otherwise, I agree that it would make a good undercard on Jacobs-Derevyanchenko. But, the draw of a Mexican-Irish rivalry matchup on a Mexican holiday may be too much money to pass up.
Yeah good points, I think you might be right, it's a business as well afterall.
Also, Canelo vs. Golovkin is a Golden Boy/360 Promotions card and Munguia is with Zanfer/Golden Boy so they will get the best deal by putting him on their own card. Plus being the co-main would give Munguia way more of a promotional push than he would ever get from fighting on the Jacobs vs. Derevyanchenko undercard, or any other undercard for that matter.
Brandon Cook, WBO #4 contender, is emerging as the likely opponent for this fight, according to BoxingScene. This lines up to be a better fight than the briefly talked about bout with Hogan. Thoughts?
Good fight for Munguia, not too easy, but not too tough not long after a gruelling 12 round war. On a different but not unrelated topic, do you rate Kanat Islam?
Hard to say. He is Kazakh, so you know he comes from good boxing roots, and is tough. Has fought well at International level, but that is it, as I don't know that Cook is above that yet. Plus he hasn't fought in a year, and no fight scheduled as far as I know, and with a few cancelled this year, who knows when he fights next. Would like to see him in a World level fight to actually know what he truly is, but don't know that we'll get to see it.
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