This fight isn't going to happen next, Hearn wants Joshua vs. Povetkin next to milk more money from the Joshua train which is disappointing.
I wouldn't mind seeing Joshua vs Povetkin this year, maybe Wilder vs Ruiz Jr, or Pulev maybe, and then next year, maybe in April, 90,000, Wembley, let's get ready to rumble!!!!!
Since his world title win over Sadam Ali in May there has been somewhat of a Mungíamania surrounding the young Tijuana native.
The power punching World Boxing Organization [WBO] champion spoke to BoxingScene.com last week and said he relishes the change of lifestyle.
“There’s a bit more pressure now but it is nice to be recognised and have people tell you nice things,” he said via telephone.
“It’s a lot of responsibility now, not only being a world champion but also the eyes of the boxing world are on you, everyone wants to see you. It gives me the motivation to get better and train harder.”
Speculation as to whom Munguía will fight later this year is rife but it is likely that he will make the first defence of his belt next month against former champion Liam Smith. Should he be successful, the 21-year-old wants to begin a process of unifying the belts at junior middleweight.
“I want to unify in this division first, I want to fight Jarrett Hurd and Jermell Charlo but I will go up to middleweight maybe in a year or so. I’ll be at this weight as long as my body can handle it! It wouldn’t be impossible even to make welterweight, but it would be an unnecessary exertion on my body. We’re thinking about 154lbs and then after that 160lbs.”
Charlo, the World Boxing Council [WBC] champion recently made comments to the media that Munguía was too green and makes lots of mistakes, but Jaime was in no mood to bite back.
“I really respect Jermell Charlo, he’s a great champion. For me he’s one of the best in the weight class. What can I say about his comments? We’ll see in the ring, that’s where one speaks. I want to fight him, and it would be a great fight.
“The best at the weight are Charlo and Hurd,” he opined.
“You’ve also got Kell Brook and Brian Castaño, so there is a long list of good fighters at super welterweight. I want to fight one of them this year after the Smith fight, I’d love that. I want to unify all the titles really, all four belts.
“I think Kell Brook is a very good boxer, if I fought him it would be great - I can beat him and it would be a good experience for my career.”
Back in Mexico, talk is already brewing that Munguía could at some point face off with fellow countryman Saúl ‘Canelo’ Álvarez, but the level-headed newly crowned champion quelled that possibility from happening for the moment.
“I’m still very young and I can improve, I will maybe get a bit stronger. I don’t see myself fighting ‘Canelo’ this year or anytime soon but fights between two Mexicans are always attractive and it would be a big fight if it did happen. I don’t know him personally, but I have followed him of course.”
Not looking beyond next month’s reported bout against Liverpool’s Smith, Munguía promised that the watching public in the United Kingdom as well as around the world can expect another explosive performance.
“We’re going to be looking for the knockout again and put on a good show for the fans. That’s what I like the most, for the fans to enjoy it and like my style of fighting. Thanks to everyone who has been supporting me since the start and who are supporting me now. I promise the Liam Smith fight will be a great fight.”
After Liam, who do you guys think should be next. I think, from what I've seen, Munguia is the biggest puncher at 154, and I'd put my money on him against Hurd or Charlo right now. Thoughts?
Regarding Munguia being the biggest puncher at 154, while I think Munguia has a good punch apparently Richard Commey (a lightweight) chinned Sadam Ali multiple times in the training camp for the Munguia fight. Ali was also seen as the clear weak link in the division which is why people like Kell Brook wanted the fight. Therefore, I am going to reserve some judgment for Munguia's power being greater than Hurd and Charlo until I see him versus more opponents. I think he will beat Liam Smith though, Smith likely really regrets not being able to fight Ali. I think he likely needs to be given a few bouts before we see him versus Hurd or Charlo, someone around the J-Rock Williams level would be a good opponent after Smith. If he can get Kell Brook I think that would be a good test as well for him but I'm not sure Kell wants that fight. If he blows Smith out though perhaps he is actually ready for the challenge versus Hurd or Charlo who will likely fight each other later this year or early next year.
I know to take that Ali fight with a grain of salt. Having seen some other fights of his, including against Navarrete(which I know is just an opponent), the way he sets his shots up, and his natural size advantage over either of those guys, makes me think he could catch them easier than they'd catch him. I think Hurd would be the better fight of the 2. Charlo, I think, falls into lulls of activity, and a strong, young, aggressive guy like Munguia could take him in my eyes.
I, too, would be interested in seeing him in any of those matchups. I just really enjoy his style. I know he has plans for 160 within 2 years, and I hear eventually getting to 168, so I wonder if him and his team try to accelerate the time table for him at 154. He has the frame to go up whenever he is ready. I love all of these potential fights from 154-168. I think we see a lot of these guys pick eachother off, and see the cream rise.
Yeah, I don't think he is super green, he definitely has a good base and has good physical advantages like you said. A guy like J-Rock Williams would even be a step up compared Ali and Navarrete so thats why I think he would be a good opponent but I suppose Liam Smith is in a similar tier as J-Rock Williams. I agree Hurd would be a great fight stylistically for fans and a potential FOTY. Charlo could be a good stylistic fight for Munguia but Munguia would have to be diligent in watching out for Charlo's counters. In the Trout fight, I think he got too focused on loading up on his punches trying to get the KO which hopefully his trainer can get him away from.
I agree he has a great frame for moving up in weight, he could even get up to 168 as you mentioned. If he does really well at 154 I think he should chase the Mexican war versus Canelo, that would be a really good payday for him and would be an interesting bout if Munguia proves to be the real deal.
Yep, I think that is a fight he should definitely look at, either at 160, or if Alvarez losses to GGG, I could see him going back to 154, as that special steak being gone may lead to Catchweight Canelo returning. I think Munguia should also look at JCC Jr., as that too would be a massive fight in both Mexico and in the Southwest US. Speaking of Alvarez/GGG, who you got?
I don't think Canelo could even make 154 anymore to be honest, he is only 5'8 (a lot of people say he actually shorter than that too) but he has a really stocky build. Caneloweight returning would be a funny result of a Canelo loss. I think Chavez would be a good fight for Munguia, Chavez has ruined his reputation with Mexican fans but he is still a greater draw than anyone at 154 save for possibly Kell Brook. I think Munguia beats him anyways at this stage in their respective careers but Chavez can't even make Middleweight and plans on coming back as a Super Middleweight. Munguia is also too high risk and low reward for Chavez, to my knowledge Munguia isn't really a draw at this point but surely he could become one if he continues to succeed. So for those reasons I don't think that fight is realistic to make.
I think Golovkin will win by close decision but I'm not really sure in saying that. Golovkin is fighting father time but Canelo has a lot of question marks as well. It is counter to the traditional logic of boxers doing better than punchers in rematches but I think Golovkin actually left more on the table than Canelo did in the first fight which is why I think he can edge out the victory. What do you think?
I wasn't talking the Munguia/Chavez now, but down the line, as both seem to be aiming at 168. Would be a huge Mexican domestic fight if both track right.
I think GGG wins by TKO late. Canelo I think will be affected by this "steak" issue, as I think this isn't something new for him, a la "Real Deal" and others who were able to skate. I, too, think GGG left more on the table, as he focused on head hunting. I think he looks to break Canelo down in the body early, to keep him from running. Canelo gave him his best shots last fight and never fazed GGG, so I don't think that changes, even with a year removed. I've never seen GGG in real trouble, so short of a Byrd card, I don't see GGG losing this one. Plus, you know he has to be motivated like no other, and the Terminator mode may step in. I'd love to see him press Alvarez from R1, and not try to feel him out. He has felt his power, no reason to dance early.
apparently Richard Commey (a lightweight) chinned Sadam Ali multiple times in the training camp for the Munguia fight
Don't read anything into that.
If someone is knocked out in sparring that is different than someone being beat in sparring, there is a physical toll that takes on the brain that lessens punch resistance.
Sparring should be confidential.
Most sparring knockdowns are probably half accidental, and blown way out of proportion, I don't know anything about you, I don't know how much first hand boxing you've been in front of, but there is a big difference between sparring and fighting, one of them is practice mode, the other is the test itself, the difference between revision and an exam, the difference between rehearsals and a movie,
If a fighter goes down on sparring, it can be about blance, mentality, too much aggressiveness from the opponent maybe, but you can't read anything into it, sparring is very important, but it is not informative.
Sometimes sparring is filmed and released but generally, I agree.
No, where I heard it from made it seem like he actually was knocked out by Commey. Some guys like to go hard in sparring, the Mayweather gym is famous or infamous for that. I agree that if guys are sparring correctly they shouldn't be getting KO'd but it definitely happens from time to time. Like I said before, if Commey actually did knock him out that likely hurt his punch resistance versus Munguia.
I think it is reckless to think Munguia is ready for Hurd and Charlo, he is very young, and hasn't had the chance to learn at this level, he showed his power, enthusiasm, potential in his destruction of Ali, but if he was in against a seasoned fighter in his prime, he sould be found wanting for experience at this level, and he would be exploited for being rushed.
Munguia looked great against Ali, like Davis looked great against Pedraza, but as everybody said then, about a 21 or 22 year old who is undefeated against low level opposition and then pulls out an upset and destroys a more experienced world champion, he wasn't ready for Lomachenko just because he looked great against Pedraza, just like, Munguia isn't ready for Charlo just because he looked good against Ali.
Munguia should focus on Liam Smith, if that fight is next, that's a good test, he could learn a lot in that fight, but at the same time, he'd be in against a guy who is particularly dangerous, and a fighter who may have been put in his place level wise against 'Clenelo', so not too much, too soon, but a test, a tough very opponent.
I agree to an extent, but Charlo and Hurd aren't Loma, and have showed many more flaws in their game comparatively. Plus, Munguia was Ring's Prospect of the year, and physically, is the most imposing in the division. I agree that he should focus on Smith, but I don't fault the kid for going after the guys he thinks he can beat, even if it's early. As we all know, only so much time in this game, and you have to go after the big fights and money when you can, and Munguia won't have a bigger opportunity to exploit his win over Ali than now, especially being a big name Mexican fighter, with so many other Mexican fighters in the same weight pocket.
I agree that they aren't Lomachenko, and I'm not saying that the Munguia is as far away now from being ready for Charlo as a January 2017 Davis was from being ready for Lomachenko, th scenarios aren't the same, but, I think there is a strong, strong element of Lomachenko/Davis in this discussion about Charlo/Munguia. I don't think Munguia is as good as Davis at this point, either, and I also think Charlo isn't that far behind Lomachenko.
No no I don't fault him, I like Munguia, I think he is mustard, could be a star in boxing, but I think his handlers should build him up and let him learn, at least get closer to reaching his prime before putting him in there with Charlo, I mean, what is the rush?, it is good to build up at a steady rate for very young fighters, but that being said, Munguia, if he fights, Castano, Smith, Brook, heck, he'll be challenged, so in terms of him using his time well, I wouldn't worry about that.
I agree on that, you don't waste time in boxing, but you also don't want to rush it, and the time pressure can only apply so much when we are talking about a 21 year old fighter, he migut improve over the next 4-5 years, and might have 10 more fights before he peaks, I don't think time is an issue for Munguia. Why can't he keep building, defend his title, work his way up, improve, and aim for the same kind of fights in 3 years or so? This is not the only time Munguia will have an opportunity to be in a big fight.
Only reason I see him pushing hard and fast, is that he expressed concerns about making the weight for the long-term, and said within 2 years he plans on being at 160, and talks of him being at 168 eventually have been discussed. So given that, I think that is why he is pushing early for these big fights at 154.
In my opinion (and of course that is all this is, and I respect your opinion 100%), that is no reason at all to push hard for fights, it doesn't matter whether it is Charlo, mall Charlo, Derevyanchenko, whoever, he will be ready when he will be ready, and the other top guys in the division will be the best in the division, it isn't personal, and there is no more reason why he should fight mell Charlo or Hurd than there is for him fighting the other Charlo, Saunders, or even Zeuge, Uzcategui if he goes to 168 one day.
I personally, don't want to see Munguia in these kind of superfights, really meaningful fights for at least 2 years, maybe 3, but I also think, in 3 years, he could be over 30-0, still in the first half of his twenties, but a fairly long time world champion, I mean, I don't see how that scenario isn't good enough, and I don't see any wasted talent at all in that scenario. I think the fact that Munguia is 6'0, could be 168 one day, shows how he hasn't matured yet, and at 21, putting him in there with Charlo and Hurd, in my opinion, would be a mistake, I think he would lose badly, because I think a young fighter who hasn't developed, shouldn't be put in there with world level experienced, 27-28 year old fully grown fighters who are in their absolute primes. I think ultimately, Munguia is not meant to unify and try to claim himself as the no.1 in his division, at 2018, at 154, because I think he isn't good enough?, absolutely not!, and do I think he could well unify and pretty much secure his place at the top of his division (160), in 2021?, and that a sort of 'battle for the top spot' unification fight at that time and weight would be a wise career move for Munguia?, absolutely!
"Frank Warren has revealed that Billy Joe Saunders' next fight could be against JAMES DEGALE. He has September 15th booked at the O2 Arena."
Would this be a catch, or BJS moving up? Interesting match up, but I wonder who is clamoring for this fight?
Rankings. Pretty complete list
I don't know. DuBois has a lot of talent, but I'm not sure I'd pick him to win this fight. Gorman has some talent, and can frustrate with his movement and the angles he can throw from. Slicker than you'd think looking at him. DuBois would have to move more, and use more head movement and feinting to get to him. Would definitely make DuBois show some evolution as a fighter.
I think Gorman would win now, not because Dubois doesn't move his head against guys who do well to survive and can't hurt or even hit Dubois, but because Gorman is slightly more experienced, mature, but, I do think, that in a few years, Dubois beats everyone, Gorman included.
You see DuBois taking the crown from Joshua or Wilder, or whoever may be the HW champ in a few years?
Absolutely, you can't guarantee anything, or be 95% sure, but I definitely see Dubois being top dog at heavyweight in a few years, only time will tell though. You?
I think of the current crop of youngins/up and comers, he has as good a shot as any, though I think he may be in trouble if he tries to move up the levels too quickly, as I do think he is a bit raw still, though very talented. I think Joyce is too stiff, mechanical, and a bit too old to be just starting to move up the levels. I like Hrgovic a lot, too, and think he could give DuBois trouble were they to meet. Guys like Schwarz, Zakhozhyi, and Teslenko will be moving up at a similar pace, and all I think could be good matchups. Of all of them, I don't know if I see a future Wilder or Joshua though; a true star. Only time will tell I guess.
Oh absolutely, whether we think he will be better than AJ and Wilder or not, he is nowhere near ready for big fights! I think at least 3 years, he is 8-0, 20, no he needs experience, he needs to keep active, and gradually work his way up through the levels, keep learning at a controlled rate. Not sure I agree about Joyce, I think a lot of heavyweights look like that when they stand there, nut I don't see him being mechanical costing him in the ring, but, that aside, one thing that will cost him, is his age, because if he does do far in boxing, he might be another Fury at best, a guy who has a very short time of top level success. All good fighters, unfortunately, Eastern European fighters don't get the recognition they deserve, they don't get known until they lose, which is why I think Povetkin, Pulev ars underrated, but no I agree, and Hrgovic seems very good. Yoka did well to stop Allen, but he's another one of these guys who I don't want to see succeed at the highest level, for the same reason I want to see Canelo crying like a baby in defeat against GGG like he was against Mayweather.
I think Joshua vs Povetkin will be confirmed very soon, it might nit be quite guaranteed just yet, but I think it is highly likely to be next, if so, that's not a bad fight at all!, but still, let's hope Joshua vs Wilder happens next year!!, and preferably within the first half if 2019.
Yeah, I'm hearing the same about Joshua-Povetkin. I hope Wilder fights someone better than Breazeale in the Fall for his stay busy fight. Would rather see him against Ortiz again, or Tony Bellew or Hughie Fury; someone who can test him and keep him ready for the Spring against Joshua, as I don't think Breazeale is much of a match up for Wilder.
Breazeale sounds like a good option to me when you mention Bellew and Hughie Fury. Breazeale will likely at least go a few rounds while he waits for Joshua. Bellew especially would be a true bloodletting. It is a shame Ortiz is going to get avoided by every Heavyweight with a name again, I hope the WBC will still give him a title eliminator bout after Whyte pulled out of it. He deserves that much at the very least.
You are right, Bellew would be a much better opponent option than Breazeale!, but that fight is unlikely I think, Bellew knows he wouldn't beat Wilder, and I think Hughie Fury, for the time being, is just building himself as an experienced fighter, and probably unlikely to fight Wilder anytime soon, but that fight could definitely happen in the long run.
Wilder vs Miller would be great, or Wilder vs Ruiz, Wilder vs Pulev, but Wilder vs Breazeale would be disappointing.
If you care about Bellew at all and/or consider yourself a fan of Bellew, the absolute last place you want to see him in boxing is fighting Deontay Wilder. Fury doesn't want to fight Wilder either, Fury has slim to no chance to beat Wilder. It is better for him to do what he is doing, building himself up and trying to eventually get a fight with Joshua.
I don't think Miller would be an interesting fight at this juncture, his most realistic route to victory is seemingly outworking Wilder over twelve rounds while avoiding Wilder's power which I don't see as a likely outcome. Miller does not have the power or countering ability of someone like Ortiz that could actually trouble Wilder. If he beats Pulev I think he would deserve a shot and vice versa, but that bout is for an IBF eliminator so I think they would rather take a Joshua bout that is guaranteed. Not a lot of people are lining up to fight Wilder at this point though so we may have to deal with Breazeale.
Sorry, what part of keep your whiney, irritating BS away from me don't you understand, buzz off.
Ok, no you know what, I'll talk to you.
I agree as it happens, with a lot of that. As I've said before, Bellew is a realist, he would give Wilder problems!, he gives anyone a tough fight, but he wouldn't win, he admits it, he knew he would beat Haye, he knew why, he knows he wouldn't beat Wilder, and he known why not!
I agree, Hughie is not ready, but do not write him off in the long run, he has as good a chance against Wilder as Ortiz of not better in my opinion, he would have a decent chance in a few years, or at least, not slim to none.
Here's the thing, I agree, Miller wouldn't beat Wilder, but why is the Ortiz rematcn a better idea when Miller is unbeaten, bigger, younger?, boxing is about timing, Miller wouldn't win, in a nutshell, is what I gather you were saying, agreed, neither would Breazeale, neither would Ortiz, so why not Miller? In my opinion, based on their records, Miller is the toughest opponent of the 3 for Deontay.
Wilder is all wrong for Bellew with his massive reach, height and athletic advantages, he'd be hitting Bellew at will and would spark him easily with his big right hand. Like you said, Bellew doesn't want to fight Wilder himself because he knows he has no chance of winning. There's no real logic to why Bellew could be remotely competitive versus Wilder except saying he did well versus old man Haye, therefore, he will do well versus Wilder which doesn't make sense because they have little in common.
Hughie has no power to get his respect, he looked decent moving and jabbing versus Parker which I think could buy him a little time but he doesn't have the offensive ability to outbox or overpower Wilder. Ortiz has much better power and boxing ability than Hughie while Hughie has better movement and jab. I think Hughie would do better than Bellew but not anywhere near as well as Ortiz did.
I don't want to see the Ortiz rematch either unless he wins an eliminator versus a decent to good opponent. Miller is unbeaten because he has only faced gatekeeper level opponents and he is bigger because he is fat. Sure he is younger, but I think that even old man Ortiz who may be over forty years old would stop Miller. I agree it can be about timing, but it is also about levels and Wilder is above Miller. I don't know how much comparing records tells you, Ortiz was ducked heavily in the past and is still ducked today. If Miller beats old Pulev I think he will have earned the shot, but at this point I don't think he is really anything special. The Heavyweight landscape is relatively barren outside of Joshua and Wilder.
What do you think of some of these young/new guys, like DuBois, Yoka, Joyce, Hrgovic? Who do you think is the next to ascend to stardom, if any?
All of them are very early into their development, I think if any of them make it to the title level it will be someone like Hrgovic or maybe Joyce. I don't think very highly of Dubois or Yoka personally but I don't really follow the prospect level. Once they get to fighting gatekeepers or title eliminators I'd feel more safe about analyzing them.
Gotcha. I follow a lot of prospect level guys, and guys who I'm familiar with from their amateur days. I am more worried about Joyce than the others, just due to his age, and I've seen him work sort of stiff. I know the level of comp is low for him right now, but you can still glean a lot from how they work and the speed and power of their punch. I rate Hrgovic the highest personally, but as you said, until they reach that gatekeeper level, it is all projection.
Fury just called out Wilder on Instagram, apologizing for AJ stringing him along, but then saying if he wants to fight him(being Fury) next, he merely needs to send him the contract. I think an in shape Fury makes it a good fight, but that could be a year or two away, if ever. If he tries to fight Wilder now, it would be a Povetkin-Price level KO.
Think those are facts? Pal, all you are doing is talking from an angle, a viewpoint, making a special effort to filter out the aspects that suit you.
That is an exaggeration, Bellew has a good working jab, an iron chin, he is a great student of the game, his awareness is second to none. Bellew could give Wilder a hell of a lot of problems, but he would not actually win, he knows it, because he is very, very intelligent. I could give you plenty of logic outisde of Haye, and by the way, again, you are just being unfair there, because Haye was a massive, massive favourite, he proved you wrong, same old man you predicted to beat him, Haye was in great shape, look at that beautiful defence from Bellew, and great offensive ability, Haye was past prime? Obviously!, but to beat him, like that, is still impressive, he was also at a weight disadvantage, did great in that second fight, showed skills in both Haye fights that were outside of the timing aspect, so stop making so many excuses.
Again, that's just a negative angle, Hughie Fury has a granite chin, moves very well, great boxung ability, he is 6'6, and he us developing more power as he is maturing, he could give anyone a lot of problems! He has the offensive ability to outbox anyone for a certain amount of time.
Again, more of that. Is he proven? No, so let's give him a chance you muppet, he isn't a fat guy, and you can't look at a fighter and form a reliable opinion, that's what people who don't know boxing do. He beat Duhaupas, Washington, was dominant, that is impressive, we don't know is the answer at world level, he might be better than Ortiz, maybe not, you seem to think untested means we know a fighter wouldn't do well. I think Miller would stop Ortiz. Is he? He might be, we don't know yet. Well, I don't what 'special' has to do with this, he deserves the shot. You have to be realistic, if a fighter doesn't get the opportunity to prove himself against a really good fighter who isn't past his prime, that doesn't prove he is gretpat or not great, don't doubt fighters for that reason, just simply leave the question mark. Well comparing records tells you a lot, who has Ortiz ever beaten? Who wasn't a gatekeeper?, you can either say a fighter looked dominant, or you can complain about the opposition, same with your ridiculously one sided, unrealistic analysis on Lomachenko, the truth is is a balance between the two extremes, you can say, let's not get carried away, but don't leave oyt key aspects just because you want to be right.
Jarrell Miller is 6'4 and over 300 lbs. That is fat for a professional boxer. He would be a considerably better boxer if he was 240 or 250. If you can't acknowledge that then I'm not going to respond to the rest of that.
In all honesty, you'll only annoy me, respond or don't, it is of no significance to me, I might be prepared to talk to you about other stuff, there is no reason for me to exert stress on myself by arguing with you.
Well there is it not definition answer, fat can be subjective. The point is, fat or not, he can go 12 rounds, win the last few rounds, I said, recently, that against Wilder or Joshua, he'd be best losing 30lbs or so, but I think he isn't as deconditioned as you think. Miller, in shape, is still bigger than AJ and Wilder wven though he is shorter, he might not be naturally smaller, but imagine AJ overpowered for 4-6 rounds.
So, Joshua vs Wilder isn't happening this year it seems, just as I thought, it looks more likely we will see Joshua vs Povetkin, you like that fight?
6'4 and 300lbs is not subjective, you could ask any trainer, boxer, analyst, etc. They would tell you that he would be better if he didn't have such a ridiculous weight. His conditioning isn't an issue, but he would certainly have better hand and footspeed if he had less weight to move around. I don't think he would outmuscle AJ, Miller is a very inefficient 300lbs, AJ is a very strong and lean 240lbs. I think Wilder would be able to keep Miller at range, he is a lot quicker than Miller.
I don't dislike Joshua vs Povetkin in isolation, Povetkin is definitely aging and isn't anywhere near his prime level he was at when he knocked out Takam but he has good boxing skills and should be able to push AJ a little. What do you think?
No, not as an amount of fat, but Miller carries a lot more muscle. Strongly disagree, have you seen how physically strong Miller is in the ring?, the way he makes opponents work so hard?, I definitely think he is the physically strongest known fighter out there. I don't know, Miller's jab is good, he would bully Wilder in the early rounds as well. Miller is a hardcore pressure fighter, speed isn't his style. Again, Miller shouldn't be 300lbs, but he is not simply fat, it is muscle, and if he fights at 270, he won't be fat, but to be honest, muscle can be hindrance just as fat can, so much muscle will weigh you down, I think Miller would gas against Joshua and Wilder, and if he got out down, it would be hard for him to get up.
I agree, Povetkin can definitely give anyone problems, he doesn't look spectacular when you see him throw shots, but he just keeps winning, he has so much pedigree, but I think Joshua is really improving technically, he has age, size on his side, and I think he wins, Povetkin isn't to be written off, but Joshua knows that, he is great at not overlooking fighters.
Who would you like to see Fury fight next?
He may be able to make Washington, Wach, and Duhapas work but those are gatekeeper level guys. He has a decent jab, I agree, but Wilder is much longer and more athletic than Miller and would be able to keep him at bay. He is definitely at least 40 lbs overweight, if he was carrying that much muscle he wouldn't be able to go twelve rounds at his pace. We saw Joshua have issues with stamina carrying around a ton of muscle at ~250 lbs. Fat weighs down like muscle but doesn't have the positives of it.
I just hope Povetkin can show us a few moments of brilliance, win a few rounds and make it interesting. If he can't do that it will make the fight look like a waste of time which will reflect negatively on Joshua and Hearn.
I'd like to see him fight Shannon Briggs because if Fury is going to fight bums he might as well fight someone who will make it entertaining. Briggs can be a good puncher for a few rounds before he gasses out too. After that, he needs to fight a decent gatekeeper level opponent though to get this comeback off the ground.
He pushed them back, made them work like Wilder, Klitschko couldn't, he is extremely physically strong! Could he? I'm not so sure, maybe, it is hard to know, but I think the battle of the jabs would be fascinating. But that's the thing though, Miller is good at making the other guy do all the work without exerting himself, not saying he can do it to the same extent against Wilder, but still to some extent. I agree on that last point, fat isn't strength, it is just unathletic. About Joshua, that is a good point, but against Klitschko and Takam, he still rallied late, and against Klitschko, yes he tired, but to start round 5, he put a phenomenal amount into that onslaught, but more importantly, it is about adapting, and what the fighter is used to, not just the number, Joshua was at a career heaviest, if Miller is used to doing 12 rounds at 300, or at least he has done it before, so 270, see what I mean?, is lighter, and he would be in the rhythm of building stamina.
You can see Povetkin doing very well, but it could also end early, although, Povetkin does not make many mistakes at all.
I'm not big on that fight, the build uo would be bigger than the fight itself. I'd like to see Fury face David Price, Herve Hubeaux, or Manuel Charr, all a step up from Seferi.
Wilder and Klitschko aren't trying to push guys back though, they are trying to box them and land power punches. That's where the whole jab and grab Klitschko perception came from. In regards to comparing their performances, Miller is facing older and more worn down versions than they faced. The point is not that Miller a decent Heavyweight (for whatever that is worth) at 300 lbs, it is that he could be much better if he was not 300 lbs. He would be better at 270 even if he wasn't used to it, he is essentially fighting twelve rounds with massive weights on him.
Yeah the build up would be greater than the fight, I agree with that. However, his last fight was absolutely terrible so theoretically, he can only go up from there. Herve Hubeaux he should beat easily, Price would be entertaining and Charr I wouldn't mind seeing but I don't think that will happen.
They are not pressure fighters like Miller, but pressure fighters often tend to be physically strong, obviously. It isn't much that I don't think, it is also because they take tneir time, Miller doesn't need to, he takes the authority very early. Sometimes it is just his presence, pushing a guy back seems so easy for him, and his bodyweight just soaks up punches, he doesn't get pushed back. In the early rounds, if he is 270, mostly muscle, and AJ is 240, then Miller will be physically stronger in the early stages, definitely physically stronger than Wilder, maybe not late, but early, nobody is overpowering Miller. It doesn't mean they can't take the lead though, Miller does walk into punches, with his bulk, it would be hard to exert his legs with head movement, and if he got hurt, dropped, it would be much harder for him to get up. I agree on that, but listen to what I said about adapting, because the fact that he used to carrying all that weight, counts for a lot.
Man, wouldn't it be awesome if Price beat Fury!!
I think Hubeaux would give him work to do, he is younger and bigger than Seferi, I don't think that would be an easy victory for Fury.
Amir Khan fighting Samuel Vargas! I wonder if he likes winding up the pulic and see if we will still pay to see him fight.
Miller has to take physical authority because he doesn't have the power that Wlad and Wilder have that takes authority. I agree to an extent that he creates a larger presence because of his weight, but as I have said before that comes with its own drawbacks which in my view he is going to pay for once he fights an elite fighter. It is about more than just weight, Joshua is a very efficient 240 in terms of strength. I suppose this is something we will have to wait to see.
It would be really funny if Price beat Fury, I think that fight can actually happen after their next bouts too. It seems like it would sell in the UK.
Samuel Vargas is a waste of time in my opinion, he is not much better than Phil Lo Greco, it will be an easy win for Khan. Right now, it doesn't seem like his plan of cashing out versus Brook is going to happen, I think he is going to end up fighting someone like Thurman, Porter, Garcia, or Spence. Bob Arum has thrown around Crawford vs. Khan but I don't think Crawford has a good enough risk/reward for Khan considering he will almost certainly lose.
No it's ease, it just comes naturally, this isn't rocket science, have you seen him fight? He is immensely physically strong early, he is very heavy, and he isn't fat, it is muscle. Yes it hs drawbacks, I'm saying that he is physically strong early. I know, but look at Miller fight, and in terms of weight, with 20lbs of muscle on Joshua, being shorter means even nore than that ratio wise, early, he will be physically stronger, Miller, in my opinion, is not better than Joshua, not less flawed, not the puncher, not better, but, he is a more forceful pressure fighter, and for a good 4 rounds, he is physically stronger.
Oh yeah it would sell, one of the nicest guys in boxing vs one of the nastiest, Price would have a chance, Fury is still rusty, he would tire as well, Fury, and Fury's punch resistance isn't great. I think Fury would beat Price, but man, if Price beat Fury, it wouldn't just be funny, but we would all be happy for a great guy who has had very bad luck in boxing, even you.
I agreed 100% an hour ago, Vargas isn't as bad as I thought, but not much, and I still 85% agree. Khan would love to fight Thurman, Thurman, with all his inactivity. In my opinion, Khan can't beat Porter, Garcia, Spence, or Crawford now.
Nah he is fat dude, I don't know what to tell you if you can't tell that by looking at him. You said yourself he could stand to lose at least 30 lbs. That doesn't mean he doesn't have muscle or is physically strong though.
Yeah, I think Price actually does have a chance, Fury looked quite poor still, if Price was motivated he could potentially catch Fury. I don't know if I would really be happy if Price won, if Fury can get back to a decent level he will certainly get a title shot which Price will almost certainly never get. Fury is more difficult stylistically than Price too for Joshua and Wilder. It would be entertaining though.
It all makes sense now why Vargas is the opponent now that they say it is possibly for a WBA Regular eliminator. Trying to force a fight with Pacquiao would be a big money maker for Khan if Pacquiao beats Matthysse. I think Khan vs. Thurman could be possible too especially if Thurman actually signs to Hearn and DAZN which has been rumored before. I don't give Khan a good chance versus those guys either but I think he has the best chance versus Thurman because of the inactivity you mentioned.
Miller, I said, at 270, is the physically strongest fighter in the world, understand? Maybe not for 12 rounds, because he's 6'4, he might not be naturally bigger than Joshua and Wilder because height is a great metric for natural size, but for a good 4 rounds, Miller is the physically strongest fighter in the world, he is not a fat guy, he is a muscle pumped heavyweight with some exterior excess fat which makes him look less conditioned than he is, it's like with Tony Bellew, Riddick Bowe, Andy Ruiz Jr, a lot of other heavyweights, don't look great, but they have the fitness, and don't pick apart at my examples, 'don't reply to that!', no no you go right ahead and reply, and sidetrack all you want, but there are more examples, those are not bad examples at all, my point is, with heavyweights, don't look for 6 packs, look for 12 round ability, Miller still won a good 9 rounds against Duhaupas, and that was when he was too heavy.
Doesn't matter, there are plenty of heavyweights out there with all the potential to take over heavyweight boxing, Daniel Dubois for example, Filip Hrgovic, Nathan Gorman, many others, or I think they have that potential, we don't need Fury as a boxer, and as a person, he is a piece of dogshit, and Price is a good guy, so if Price beat Fury, that would be my new profile picture, guaranteed.
Does Thurman really have the desire anymore? He hasn't fought for a while, I don't know if he's even definitely returning in August, he shouldn't still have a title, you should not be allowed to go a year and a half without a fight and remain champion in my opinion. I think Matthysse will spark and retire Pacquiao, and I think Khan might hope that doesn't happen, Pacquiao is still more difficult than Matthysse in many ways, but Pacquiao is further over the hill than Matthysse, has a bigger name, and Khan, sure he can school, otit move, out speed Matthysse, but one mistake, and he's done, a fighter with a good chin can get laid out cold against a puncher like Matthysse, 36KOs in 39 wins, that's not just a puncher, that's an outstanding puncher.
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