Rances Barthélemy vs Kiryl Relikh II Scorecard by mike25


scorecard by MIKE25
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KIRYL RELIKH
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What a weekend for your predictions!
I don't know about you, but I think Barthélemy is a disappointment, he has far more talanet than Relikh, but Relikh is a hard worker, he has desire, he sets goals, Barthélemy is lazy, and in this fight, and probably the preparations for it, he did not give his best efforts.

Most of mine were right? I know that the Garcia, Valdez and Barthelemy fights were accurate not sure on others. I agree on Barthlemy, he has the talent he's just stuck in the amateur style which isn't good in the pros.

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Man, you're being too hard on yourself, you called Relikh winning, you called Commey winning, you called Valdez winning, I got all three of those wrong!

I don't even think it's a case of that, it wasn't just about simply lacking the output, or having an issue with his work ethic, I think he didn't try his best, and is an example of wasted talent. I thought Barthélemy was disgraceful with the lowblows, you could sterilise someone, hitting them low like that, and at least one of those was intentional, disgusting, he should be ashamed. It might sound harsh, but the deal is, we give fighters credit even when they get knocked out or outright, clinically defeated, if they tried their best, Rios has nothing to be ashamed of, Klitschko has nothing to be ashamed of Briedis has nothing to be ashamed of, but that loses some meaning if we say it for all fighters who don't win, and Barthélemy, should be kicking himself, because he let himself down.

I was just wondering how my other picks since I only remembered the big fights.

I think it's a little of Barthelemy being overrated, he didn't throw many punches, and looked like he didn't want to be there. I'm a fan of his but his performance was awful, the low blows should of got him disqualified, he did it so much.

Lomachenko vs Linares for May, what do you think of that? Nothing official yet but I heard it's close.

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Ok, well, you did great for predictions this weekend, take the credit.

I don't think he's highly rated, he's hardly a household name, he's not underrated, I'll say that.

I love that fight! Let's hope it happens! If you want I'll leave the adding of that fight to you, I did add Joshua vs Parker I think it's only fair. Did you get my post about the new picture I found for Broner vs Vargas?, I suggested it because it is a poster for the whole event, I added Charlo vs Centeno ages ago, when it was meant for March 3, but maybe you could add Broner vs Vargas and Davis vs Cuellar, and see what you think about the poster

Thanks man.

That's true. I think Broner should fight Barthelemy after Vargas, that's a very winnable fight for him.

It's official now which is great. You can see that Lomachenko really wants to be great by challenging himself by going up in weight to fight a solid fighter in Linares. I heard Mikey wants to go back to 135, I say Mikey fights the winner of Loma vs Linares. What do you think? If those other fights still aren't up I'll add them. I like that this fight is free that is great.

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I don't even think that's really difficult, I think a 2013 Malignaggi could have beaten him, and Granados, and Broner beat both of them, I just think the speed in hand and foot, and the skill to back it up, and Broner is enough of a nightmare without not topping his output. I think Broner would destory Barthélemy, I might be biased because I very much dislike Barthélemy, but Broner wins that I would say.

Absolutely, you can't hide in boxing at this level, you get found out one way or another, and we know what Lomachenko is about! As a massive fan of his, I really hope he doesn't make the unwise move of going up to 147, because he is never will be a welterweight, and out of the 4 fights he's been in since his return, the one at 135, was hands down his best performance of the 4, better than the fights at 140, Mikey needs to stop talking about 140, 147, because fighting Spence, it is nuts, I'm confident that Robert and Eduardo will make sure he does what he should, and compete at 135, hopefully the prospect of a Lomachenko fight will increase his motivation to fight at 135. I think Garcia vs Lomachenko could be as big as Golovkin vs Canelo.

Joshua vs Parker is getting close! You excited for that fight?

I agree on that. I think Malinaggi, Broner and Granados can beat them. I really think Broner could put a number on him. I might be a little biased to but I do think Broner beats Barthelemy pretty good.

I believe him when he says he only wants to fight the best, that's what it looks like. Minus the Marriaga fight he has a very solid resume for someone with his pro experience. For Mikey, it's the same thing. I think he should take fights like Easter, Linares Lomachenko winner or good fights at 140. I rather see Mikey fight Lomachenko then Spence, going to 147 just seems like a bad idea he's fighting at such a disadvantage. When do you think a potential Mikey Garcia vs Lomachenko Linares winner should take place?

I am very excited for the fight, any time Anthony Joshua is in a big fight I'm going to watch. I'm rooting for Joshua so we get to see the Wilder fight soon, but I hope Parker gives him a good fight.

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Well, as someone who doesn't particularly like Broner, I can tell you, I would consider Broner's chances very high in that fight. Broner struggles with discipline and mental health, he is hardly a choir boy, but at least when he's in there he tries his best rather than let his own chances go down the toilet, and deliberately, maliciously hit someone in the nuts, that's a bitch move that.

I think even Marriaga was a very good opponent for a stay busy fight, but I agree he is a level below Sosa, Walters, Rigondeaux, but that just shows, Lomachenko doesn't embarrass, beat up, dismantle bums, he does that to good world level fighters. In his last 4 fights, did you see anything about Lomachenko, any weaknesses which an opponent could capitalise upon?, because I didn't, I just think he and Crawford are the combination of talent, dedication, they can fight, they can box, they are complete, compact fighters, and I think they are the top 2.

In my opinion, 140 is a bad idea, he should go 135, and stay there, but the issue is, boxers are crazy, if they see a packed division full of challenges which they could compete at, no matter how reckless the move would be, logic isn't in their mind, the main thing is, Robert and his dad make it clear to Mikey that they will have no part in him going anywhere near 147, and hopefully he can apply his obsession, desire to fight Spence and Thurman, he can apply that to working towards fighting Lomachenko. If Mikey is convinced the Lomachenko fight will happen, I think he will follow his brother's advice, stay at 135, be smart, and continue to accomplish. I think Mikey should fight either Easter or Beltran this year. I mean, Spence and Thurman, early in their careers, were at 154, Mikey was at 126, featherweights fighting welterweights shouldn't happen, jumping up in weight should stop, I think moving up in weight is good for fighters who started young, and naturally outgrow their division, seriously struggle to make the weight to the point of real concern, but even then, move up one weight class, or two, tops, I think it is clear to see that Roman Gonzalez did himself no favours by jumping up in weight, he's a modern example, but there are many historic examples as well. Hopefully, I think 2019, I would love to see Lomachenko and Mikey both fight in say November, each fight Beltran/Easter, that way they would fight next year with 2 belts each! You agree?

I think it will be as good as Joshua vs Klitschko, I think Joshua is the most marketable athlete in the world, he can dish it out, he can take it, and Parker, not only is he hands down in the top 2 of Joshua's opponents so far, but him and Klitschko are cheese and chalk. If Joshua beats Parker, he deserves a massive amount of credit. I like the sportsmanship in this fight, I think both are great role models for kids, on boxing, another sport, or maybe aspiring to something other than sport, after Tyson Fury pissed on our cornflakes, let us all down, it is great to see some positive competition in the heavyweight division. I honestly don't mind who wins the fight.

I don't doubt Broners chances either. I think with a fighter that doesn't throw many punches in Barthelemy, Broner could exploit that. I like Barthelemy but he fought a terrible fight last week.

The only thing about Marriaga was he was going up in weight to fight, I don't mind it anymore because I think there wasn't any big names available at the time. He also fought Rigondeaux after. I really can't complain about Lomachenkos resume because it is phoneminal for the amount of fights he's had.

I wouldn't mind 140, but that's the limit for me. I think his best weight is at 135, he's stronger and has more power. That's the thing with fighters they want to prove they are the best so they go up in weight, Mikey might do it but I think staying at 135 and wait on a Lomachenko fight is the best idea. I hope to see Loma vs Mikey as soon as possible.

I think it will be a great fight. Joshua has to be one of the most marketable athletes out there. He's a big guy, has lots of power and is a good division. Also I saw Tyson Fury is looking in good shape now hopefully he gets back in the ring.

Thoughts on Davis vs Cueller?

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with his opposition, Walters, Rigondeaux, these are really, really good fighters, both have victories over Nonito Donaire (strong pound for pound candidate at one point), and he won every round against both of them, boxed them both into submission.

Well put it this way, since his break, 4 fights, 3 at 140, 1 at 135, which was his best performance? I agree, that is the best fight in boxing in my opinion, apart from maybe Joshua vs Wilder, Spence Jr vs Crawford, they are the top 3 potential future fights in my opinion.

Don't agree on Fury, I think boxing is better without him, as of now, he's still irrelevant, he's been inactive for 28 months. I'll tell you something, unlike the ridiculous biased ,edia over here, Joshua is being reasonable, he gives Parker the credit he desreves, and he said, quite truthfully, "Tyson is a clown, I'll knock him out the ring", Fury is a disgrace to the sport. If Fury fights, is active, he can be a good fighter again, but until he has his next fight confirmed, he's nothing, and he is never going to be as good as Joshua or Wilder, and like I said before, in my opinion, he had the talent to be the best heavyweight that has ever lived, better than Ali, Louis, Lewis, Foreman, Marciano, Tyson, but not now, he's let himself down, and it kills him that less talented boxers, but more dedicated, professional athletes are where he wants to be, he only has himself to blame, I would feel sorry for him, of he wasn't such a disgusting human being.

Good fight, I think Davis wins, and I think he wins big, he has age, size, activity on his size, and I don't think Cuellar was ever on his level, but Cuellar was good in his prime, he was a world champion, so he should be able to make it competitive, but I do not think it goes 6. What do you think?

Exactly, his opposition has been great. I personally think he should be undefeated because I felt he did to pull it off against Salido. I think that the loss shouldn't effect his pound for pound status because it was a fight I felt he won and he's improved so much since.

Probably the Dejan fight was his best. Those 3 fights, are the top 3 fights in boxing that need to happen.

I think the boxing world can take it or leave it on Fury, he's a good addition to the division. I think we shouldn't take him serious until an official fight date is in place. He seems to be in good shape there could be a comeback ready. He had the talent to go far but ruined it for himself.

I think it's a decent fight, I expect Davis to win impressively. I expect him to win because he's more active and is the bigger guy.

Kovalev vs Browne is in the works what do you think of that fight?

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I thought it was a draw, but he lost, he didn't get the decision. I agree, with what he has accomplished since, he has earned his status, a loss or two doesn't take you out of a hugh ranking, not necessarily, Canelo lost to Mayweather, I know Salido isn't Mayweather but Lomachenko was 1-0, I mean, you can't fight for a world title that early. It is hard to make much of loss considering everything Lomachenko has achieved since and at the level he has competed at.

I'd say definitely. There is no good reason for Mikey to compete above 135 at any point in my opinion. Who wins?, I think Wilder, Lomachenko, Spence.

I think he can still be a good fighter, if he regains his activity, he can win a British title, even a European title, and if he fights the right opponent, he can win a world title, but I would be quite surprised if he even achieved any of this, he doesn't have a fight set up, he should definitely retire, and for the sport, good riddance.

It's good for Davis to be busy, and consistent, maybe he could take on Machado or Berchelt in a unification fight later this year.

Very interesting one, I think it depends on Browne, he has power, skills, talent, but what level is he on? If Browne is good enough to take Kovalev where he doesn't want to be (and that will be evidence of being a top level light heavyweight), then he can definitely win, but it won't be easy, and if Kovalev can make it his fight, for a good 4 rounds, he is very dangerous. I think the questions are about Browne, I think we know how good Kovalev is, and we know he is declining. What do you think?

It was a close fight that could've went either way in my opinion. I thought that it was a little early for Lomachenko to fight for a world title in his second pro fight, it was also a big risk to fight Gary Russell after that. But yes, Canelo and Lomachenko got a lot better since their loss.

I say 140 is the absolute most for Mikey. I'm picking Wilder, Lomachenko and Crawford.

I agree. I wonder how far he would make it at a world level if he takes a couple tune up fights.

Agreed.

I like the fight, Kovalev is easily Brownes best opponent, I think the step up might be a little too much for Browne. I think Kovalev is still a great fighter even though he is declined, unless he has like a Pacquiao like fall off I expect Kovalev to win.

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I agree on that. It definitely was, people underestimate the experience aspect and the value of 5-10 pro fights, and that is for a mature fighter with a great amateur background, you just can't fight at that level at 1-0, Lomachenko did well to make it close. Absolutely, and he won that comfortably, I think that was his introduction to boxing, ever since then, he's been building, and I think when he made that phenomenal statement against Roman Martinez, he sped up his improvement and rate of reputation enhancement, ever since then, maybe have called him the best, and he might be, he has absolutely dominated all his fights since that fight, and that one of course, but I think against Rigondeaux, that was his best performance, from 2015-17, that was probably the best Lomachenko we will ever see, he has a lot to accomplish, and I think given that he is fighting Linares, and the Garcia fight looks likely for the future, he can really achieve in boxing over the next 2 or 3 years. I think Lomachenko should retire after maybe 6 more fights, or maybe 8, but that would be under 20 fights, and not at all an under achieving career.

It is so easy to see either guy winning in each fight, they really are superfights.

I'll tell you what I think, I think he could look like a demoted version of his 2015 self against guys like Hammer, Chisora, maybe not that much though, at least not until maybe 2020, but against Joshua or Wilder, his body would let him down, he might be awkward for 2 or 3 rounds, but as soon as either of them land clean, Fury gets battered if not knocked out cold. These gypsy fighters, who grow up fighting every day, they are tough as nails, but a lot of them take drugs as Fury has, a lot of them train the wrong way, and they do not last long, Fury's age I think will be a problem as early as 30, he's wasted his best years, the only way he can get back to the top if if he takes drugs, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. I wonder when and who Fury will fight next, he can post as much as he wants on Twitter and all the other stupid social media websites, but it means nothing. Fury might be doing a bit of a Kovalev, letting himself down, leaving his trainer, blaming his trainer.

Could be the case, I don't think he will plummet drastically, but he is getting worse each fight, he doesn't take punches well, he gasses, he can't fight on the inside, he's certainly beatable, I don't think he will be much worse than against Mikhalkin, but slightly worse. It is Browne who has something to prove, a statement to make, we know how good Kovalev is, but how good Bronwe?, if Browne can take Kovalev through the rounds, attack the body, get in close at times, disallow Kovalev from using that dominant 1, 2 from long range, he should definitely win, but to do those things, it has taken Andre Ward so far, Hopkins, Pascal couldn't do it.

What's your take on Ryoichi Taguchi as a fighter?

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I agree on that. It definitely was, people underestimate the experience aspect and the value of 5-10 pro fights, and that is for a mature fighter with a great amateur background, you just can't fight at that level at 1-0, Lomachenko did well to make it close. Absolutely, and he won that comfortably, I think that was his introduction to boxing, ever since then, he's been building, and I think when he made that phenomenal statement against Roman Martinez, he sped up his improvement and rate of reputation enhancement, ever since then, maybe have called him the best, and he might be, he has absolutely dominated all his fights since that fight, and that one of course, but I think against Rigondeaux, that was his best performance, from 2015-17, that was probably the best Lomachenko we will ever see, he has a lot to accomplish, and I think given that he is fighting Linares, and the Garcia fight looks likely for the future, he can really achieve in boxing over the next 2 or 3 years. I think Lomachenko should retire after maybe 6 more fights, or maybe 8, but that would be under 20 fights, and not at all an under achieving career.

It is so easy to see either guy winning in each fight, they really are superfights.

I'll tell you what I think, I think he could look like a demoted version of his 2015 self against guys like Hammer, Chisora, maybe not that much though, at least not until maybe 2020, but against Joshua or Wilder, his body would let him down, he might be awkward for 2 or 3 rounds, but as soon as either of them land clean, Fury gets battered if not knocked out cold. These gypsy fighters, who grow up fighting every day, they are tough as nails, but a lot of them take drugs as Fury has, a lot of them train the wrong way, and they do not last long, Fury's age I think will be a problem as early as 30, he's wasted his best years, the only way he can get back to the top if if he takes drugs, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. I wonder when and who Fury will fight next, he can post as much as he wants on Twitter and all the other stupid social media websites, but it means nothing. Fury might be doing a bit of a Kovalev, letting himself down, leaving his trainer, blaming his trainer.

Could be the case, I don't think he will plummet drastically, but he is getting worse each fight, he doesn't take punches well, he gasses, he can't fight on the inside, he's certainly beatable, I don't think he will be much worse than against Mikhalkin, but slightly worse. It is Browne who has something to prove, a statement to make, we know how good Kovalev is, but how good Bronwe?, if Browne can take Kovalev through the rounds, attack the body, get in close at times, disallow Kovalev from using that dominant 1, 2 from long range, he should definitely win, but to do those things, it has taken Andre Ward so far, Hopkins, Pascal couldn't do it.

What's your take on Ryoichi Taguchi as a fighter?

I think he was pro ready for many years before he turned pro and that what made him mature earlier as a fighter. I thought it was the Walters fight that really got his reputation as a pound for pound contender going. Walters was undefeated and a huge puncher and Lomachenko made it look easy in there. I think his career should last a good bit, but for me it depends how much damage he takes.

Oh for sure, that's what makes these fights so great.

He looks in great shape now, but how long can he keep up is my question. I think he can do well for a few years, then later on is the real question. It's all a mystery for now on Fury. All I know is that I wanna see a fight with Joshua, what do you think of a potential Joshua fight?

I don't either. I guess you can think of it as a test for Kovalev since this is his first big fight since Ward and we can see where he's at against a rising star in the division. It also shows how good Browne is in this fight.

I really haven't watched much of him yet to be honest.

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Yes absolutely, but even so, he fought Salido too early. It certainly heightened it, both were significant victories, but the Walters win was meaningful, I think his 3 best wins, 3 meaningful wins are Russell, Walters, and Rigondeaux. I say get out before that happens, like Lennox Lewis, Floyd Mayweather Jr, I think Lomachenko shouldn't box anymore than 19-1, but is more than it sounds, it isn't even a short cereer as such, it is just that he was fast tracked to the top.

I think there is a good chance all of them will happen!

I'm not going to give Fury a medal for being in shape, for crying out loud I'm running and in shape, many of us are, we don't claim to be what he is claiming to be, and in current terms, he is nothing in boxing, why?, because he's fat?, because he's training or not training?, no, because he hasn't fought in 28 months. I should think he is shape, well done to Fury for doing what all professional boxers do, train, get in shape, if he isn't in shape, then he knows he can't do well at world level, so don't read too much into him being in shape. Do well at what level?, I think Fury, for a few years, if he does everything right, can be a demoted version of himself, win a British title no problem, he can win a world title if he fights Manuel Charr (but that would be a good fight), but I'm 95% sure he can't do well against AJ and Wilder, he'll be at least 30 at the earliest time he could fight either of them, think how much timing, age matters in boxing, and think how long it will take him to get consistency back, not in the gym, in the ring, I'd say at least 2 fights, think how Joshua has been improving over the past two years, what was Fury doing?, and trust me, Fury will age quickly. I think Wilder and Joshua would both knock Fury out. I don't think it is much of a mystery to be honest, but that is only in terms of what I think, not what I know, I don't know the future. I don't want to see that fight, and at the moment, we can't even talk about them in the same sentence, I can't wait for Joshua vs Parker, and I would love to see Joshua vs Wilder, but at this point, I have no interest in seeing Tyson Fury fight. I don't like the fight, because Fury is completely irrelevant, Joshua has said himself many times, why think about an opponent who has done nothing for years? In theory, Fury is the fight for Joshua, money, publicity, and come fight time, get the guy out of there early, it is not a tough fight. One thing I will say is this, I believe Fury, from 2015-18, could've been the greatest heavyweight in boxing history, better than Ali, better than Louis, but here's the thing, boxing is about timing.

I just think he's predictable, there is no reason for him not to be slightly worse than against Mikhalkin. That's the real question, how good is Browne, so you think Kovalev stops him?, could happen, Kovalev is I think the biggest puncher at 175, that jab is destructive, he is great at long range, he can bully his opponent, keep them off his case, and for a few long rounds, Kovalev, as we saw against Shabranskyy, is still dangerous, Kovalev will destory any guy who can't make him fight a fight he doesn't want to fight.

I think he is the best at 108.

I have a fight recommendation, Buckland vs Ress I and II.

Agreed. Also, did you hear about Lennox Lewis's feud with Showtime boxing.

I agree.

True, him being in good shape means nothing unless he's actually fighting. I know you don't like him, but I'm interested in seeing how he does in his return. I mean some of his antics are a little too much but I like watching him fight. It's a shame that Fury wasted his best years on nonsense. Even though hes' not what he once was, I still want to see the Joshua fight at least.

I think he won't decline serverly since he's fighting pretty frequently. I think Kovalev could stop him possibly if he fights the right fight.

I'll have to check him out.

I'll watch them after I watch that Melvin Jursalem fight you told me about.

Two Topics I wanna hear your input on.

Anthony Joshua- The UFC is interested in paying him half a billion dollars to fight in the UFC. What do you think of that. Personally, I wanna see Joshua fight a lot more before joining, I at least wanna see Joshua fight Wilder and Fury before it's all said and done. I wouldn't have a problem with him doing UFC after his boxing career is over.

The Canelo GGG situation. GGG is saying that Canelo is cheating and Canelo was calling him a bitch and saying he was going to beat his ass, what do you make of that?

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No. What's the issue?

I understand, it is interesting, I don't find his disgusting personality entertaining, but as a fighter, of course I'm a fan, I maintain that he is the most talented heavyweight who has ever lived. I'm interested to see to a degree, I would like to see how good he will be, if he returns and is marginally better than I expect, fair play, but if proves me wrong, then I won't accept that, and I'll accuse him of taking something, but back to the point, it is predictable in my opinion. Well I mean, in a sense, I get that, seeing them fight for the sake of seeing the fighter you know as Joshua, fight the fighter you know as Fury, and I wouldn't mind seeing that to be honest, but it wouldn't be a great fight, and Joshua has no interest in fighting Fury at the moment, he wouldn't be motivated in training, because Fury has been 28 months inactive. Let's also remember that Fury was deemed medically unfit to fight, whilst he uses the "mental health issues" as an excuse for being the skumbag he is, there is a downside to that, he will have to be questioned as a stable athlete, is that ring a place for someone in his mental state? I say Fury should just be happy with the Klitschko win, and call it a day.

I think the issue with inactivity at his age isn't that it ages you itself, but it wastes time, and you have to invest time when you return, which is time you have to spend getting your activity back, which means you're even older when you get back into that solid rhythm. Kovalev should be getting slightly worse by the fight, if he genuinely believes all that nonsense about this new trainer being better than John David Jackson, and that he is better than ever before, then he is deluded, and he will suffer in his next couple of fights. All fighters who do well at Kovalev's age, know where they're at. Well again, it doesn't depend on Kovalev, it depends on Browne, if Browne's chin is vulnerable, he can't bring up his skill and overall ability to this level, he'll get stopped in 6, or maybe later or outpointed if after 6 rounds, he is in too much of a bad way, or too timid to stop Kovalev dropping the pace and taking rests. If he has a really good chin, and he is up there with Bivol, Beterbiev, nearly as good as Ward was, then he should win, if he has the adaptability, he will surely struggle for a few rounds, he has never fought anyone as dangerous or at the level of Kovalev. I think Browne could well be a top light heavyweight, he looked great on the Spence Jr vs Peterson undercard, he was great against Thomas Williams Jr, he is just untested at the moment, but that changes when he fights Kovalev, will Kovalev put him in his place?, will Browne prove himself at this level and do what only Andre Ward has done before?, it would be a massive statement.

Well UFC know they are nowhere near as big a sport as boxing, host events which are nowhere near the magnitude of big boxing events, they need to spend big in order for some publicity like that, they might be desperate. I do NOT want to see AJ in UFC, not now, not ever, I personally hate all this nonsense about mixing the two sports, they are two different sports. I think this whole topic absolutely stinks to be honest, if it wasn't for the money, Joshua would undoubtedly be a fool to cut his career short for UFC. In a few years, how do we know how competitive the heavyweight division will be? I think it is a stupid idea, let's hope he doesn't do it! The reason why it is even a discussion, is money, because ridiculous idea or not, £500, 000, 000 that's big money, he could get his parents top, top care in their declining years, he could give his kids great educational support or invest in a business or something, and still live the life himself, so I do understand, if you get offered money like that, you are going to hesitate to say an outright "no", but let's just hope that he gets all the moeny he needs from boxing.

Well for a start, I think Canelo is way out of line, it is words, words mean nothing, it isn't like he has sent a death threat, just called him a name, I'm not interested in wasting time talking about petty suff like name calling, but for Canelo to react like that, is reckless, he isn't helping himself at all. Here's the deal, in this sport, you risk your life, anyone who takes drugs, SHOULD be BANNED, not warned, fined, given a second chance, BANNED!!, because I say so?, no, because Tony Bellew, George Groves, and many, many others say so. Golovkin, having fought Canelo, risked his life against him, has every damn right to protest against this, I mean, Canelo failed a test, nothing is being done, you heard Canelo is being punished?, I haven't, well that stinks, he is being accused of being a cheat, because he failed a drug test, but but, tainted meat, only a small about, it was only one test....., blah blah blah, you fail a test, you fail a test, and also, Golovkin has said he knows Canelo injected himself before their first fight, well that should be investigated, Golovkin has been very patient, and now, quite understandably, he is furious, his opponent has failed a test, he has done nothing wrong, Canelo should not react like that. I suspect Canelo might be a cheat, if he is, then that is terrible, and I'm gutted for all his opponents, Liam Smith isn't happy this is being overlooked. One thing I will say is this, me, you, fans, we shouldn't get a say, people who work for organisations, they have control, but professional boxers are the people who have the right to have their views taken very seriously, if they say a drug cheat is banned, a drug cheat is banned.

One of the showtime announcers said that Lennox Lewis wasn't undisputed heavyweight champ because the WBO wasn't recognized at the time he fought. He said that it was a big belt because so many fighters dropped the belt. I think he was undisputed, and if some say he wasn't he's still one of the best heavweights ever, top 5 for me at least.

I agree with you to some extent. There would be a lot of questions if he beats a Wilder or Joshua, because it would be hard to keep up with them since they don't use drugs or have to lose a lot of weight before a fight.

Oh for sure it ages you. When you're out of the ring you lose momentum, and develop ring rust and stuff like that. I agree it depends on Browne. Kovalev is the best fighter he's fought and we don't know how his chin or anything will hold up or how much power he has. He has to show levels against Kovalev.

I agree on that. Also I think it's a dumb idea to go into the UFC in your prime like that. He has a lot of good fights with Wilder and Fury. I mean once his career is over in boxing for good and he wants to pursue a UFC career, I'm for it, but I think it's stupid to do it now when you're one of the best fighters in the world. I really hope he stays in boxing. Also how do you think Joshua would've done against Ortiz?

I think so to, my guess is he's trying to be the bad guy. What I think is ridiculous is people are saying that GGG is looking for excuses by calling him out. It's legitimite because he fought the guy and would know more then us. I think Canelo should be investigated for sure. I found it funny how when Floyd insinuated Manny Pacquiao was taking steroids people didn't think that was excuses not to fight, but when GGG says that Canelo got caught it's saying he's making excuses for if he loses a rematch. If Canelo is proven guilty he should be punished heavily.

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Who said that?

I wouldn't put that past him, he is jealous of AJ, he might well take drugs, Fury.

Well yeah like I said ring rust, but what I was saying is a layoff, in itself, doesn't age you, it wastes time, and takes you ofd your game, also, if you miss a lot of years, you don't learn how to work around your decline. I suppose when you are inactive it could make you decline faster, but I don't know, I'm not a 100% expert, but we cam certainly agree, that inactivity is not good, it eats away your years, and it is not good for the timing aspect of boxing. I don't think Kovalev is hard to prepare for if you are good enough, Browne should know what he has to do, but having a good game plan, getting great sparring, although it is very good, it doesn't guarantee he won't get found out as not quite on this level, and get beaten, he could be another Anthony Joshua, Gervonta Davis, Errol Spence Jr, he could also be another Chris Eubank Jr, Cletus Seldin, Rob Brant.

Fury isn't worth anything at the moment, as far as Joshua is concerned, there is no Tyson Fury in boxing, he wouldn't stay in boxing to fight a guy who hasn't fought since 2015, so Fury isn't part of the topic, but Wilder, absolutely, and just making the most of his prime years, it is important. Ok but I'm not! Well I'm 99% sure Ortiz was on drugs against Wilder, and would be against Joshua, so I think it would be a hard fight for AJ, he'd get hurt, but he'd get through it, and stop Ortiz, to stop Joshua, you have to nail him to the canvas, even as a cheat, Ortiz doesn't have that in the tank, and Joshua, late, with that counter right uppercut, desire, aggression, he'd get Ortiz out of there. Clean, Wilder and Joshua stop Ortiz in 6, no real difficulty, but anyway, although it didn't happen like it should have done, Ortiz got mashed.

What trying to get out of the fight?, well, dear me, best thing to do Mike, pretend they are just trash on the ground, ignore them, the other day, I had one telling me Anthony Joshua was a coward, and also, not lying, one was saying Crawford isn't good, these fools suck. Golovkin has never shown anything but sportsmanship and guts, so why is there any reason for an idiot to accuse him of anything.

I really, really hope Canelo is not really guilty, and it is just an issue of tainted meat, slipped through the net, or maybe he was partying and wasn't in training, let's not forget, he didn't fail a test just before the fight, we are still many weeks out, 5, and it was a bit ago now. Before a training camp, boxers can drink, take drugs if they want, anything would be ouf of their system by the fight, and that is fine, it is their business, and good idea or not, they are not doing anybody else any harm, so I really hope it is one of those two things. This is terrible for the sport, if Canelo is guilty, I really, really hope he is not!, but if Canelo is guilty, then the likelihood is, this is the first time he has been caught, but he has done it many times. I think Glenn Foot is on Steroids or something, that I'm almost certain of, and like I said I think believing Ortiz is clean is a little bit silly, but I just hope there aren't too many of these drug users in boxing, if it keeps happening, I'll be done with watching boxing, it makes me sick!

I think maybe we should give Canelo the benefit of the doubt, be optimistic, but if he has taken PEDs deliberately, he should be banned, permanently!

One of the guys from the showtime announcing crew, I think Ranallo.

I never listen to Fury's opinion of AJ, because every time he asks he picks him to lose and he is biased.

That's the thing in all sports I feel, if you are out a long time you get rusty and it's hard to get back in. I agree with on you that Kovalev isn't hard to beat if you have the skill set and gameplan. I feel like there's a blueprint to beat him. He said in the first fight that he was gassed after a little bit, and Kovalev did well in that fight. This will be Marcus Brownes time to prove himself as a legit threat at 175.

I like that Joshua isn't focusing on Fury unitl he's actually relevant. I like that he's focusing on guys like Wilder and most importantly Parker. I think Joshua would've struggled a bit with Ortiz but ultimately beat him. I would like to see him beat Ortiz.

Yeah I really should ignore the idiots of boxing, it's good people like me and you are objective and can look at things realistically. GGG has legit concerns.

I hope so to. Julian Williams and Paulie Malinaggi think he's juicing but who knows I'm giving Canelo a fair shake. If he's proven guilty then he should be out the sport.

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If he does, then that's great for the division, I think Bivol is the top man, but Beterbiev, Kovalev, Jack, maybe Browne of he comes through against Kovalev, Alvarez, maybe Yarde when he steps up, it is a good division.

He's a professional, and now, Fury is a has been, he isn't old, he is a waster. To be focusing on Fury now would be stupid, for Joshua, the objective is, prepare for the Parker fight, until after the fight, nothing but that! On a more interesting topic, how do you see the fight unfolding?, will they open up early? Or will the first few rounds by tentative? And here's a question I have, if Joshua punishes Parker for an early slip up, taggs him clean, maybe with just one decent shot, can he get his respect? To be honest I prefer thinking about the fight itself rather than talking about why other fights should happen and who ducking who and all that. I think Ortiz has to retire now, and even if he doesn't, there is no reason whatsoever for Joshua to fight him.

I don't even think he should fight Canelo, at least not until this investigation is over.

It is enough to put me off the sport, if too many more of these terrible cases are revealed, I'm done watching and following boxing, drugs in boxing must stop! I love boxing, and it makes me mad to see this shit happening, it is ruining the sport. I just hope beyond hope that not many boxers are unclean, I want to believe Canelo is clean, but I trust Paulie Malignaggi, I've always wondered why he hasn't liked Canelo in the past, and that would explain it.

For sure. I think Bivol is the best as well, then Kovalev then Jack then Beterbiev. Browne and Yarde can be rising stars in the division.

I think the fight will start off a little slow, both will be cautious. I also think Parker will try to box more against Joshua try to make him miss and waste energy. I rather talk about upcoming fights as well other then potential fights and the ducking business.

I think the fight is up in jeporday. I know we both don't like him, but Dan Rafael said that HBO didn't promote the fight on the Whyte vs Browne fight, HBO didn't add the fight to their upcoming fight calendat so I don't know what's going to happen, my guess is that it will be off.

I think there's also something up with Canelos team, I mean every big fight there's a terrible scorecard. I feel like Golovkin was put in a bad situation here with the poor judging, the possible cheating thing and so on. What do you think?

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Tactically, it is very interesting, because in theory, I would think that is wise against a dangerous fighter who starts well, is full of muscle, has speed, is powerful for the first few rounds, and Parker would be unwise to walk forward and disregard Joshua's power, but at the same time, when you are in against a guy who has a lot more height and reach on you, and you don't take risks, close the gap or really try to, then effectively, you might be surrendering the first few rounds, and Parker can't do that, so it is a case of finding a balance, being conservative, but confident, and making it as taxing for Joshua as possible. What about Joshua? If he hurts Parker early, should he put a lot of eggs in a basket?, should he aim to pot shot and point score his way through the first 3-6 rounds, or should he stamp, assert his authority on the fight early? I think it is important for Joshua that he makes Parker expend more than he does in the first half of the fight, and I think in the mid-late rounds, when the going gets tough, we know he has the balls, but does he have the survival instincts, the survival skills?, does he know what to do when hurt? I was impressed by Joshua's patience when he fought Dillian Whyte, his ability to revert back to the jab, recover naturally, but Parker is a different fighter, he won't be strong for a few minutes and then gas, he will sustain the pressure, and he knows how to break fighters gradually by working away to the body and head, and he is also great at hitting guys when they are coming towards shots, Joshua has to be very careful of that.

Well if Canelo is guilty, then it should be off. I'm very disappointed by Canelo regardless, any professional with his experience and with so much to lose to should be 100% certain they don't consume shit of any sort. I think if HBO know it might be off, why waste time talking about it?, Rafael says a lot, but it doesn't take intelligence, knowledge, or observance to see that HBO have stopped talking about the fight.

As much as I don't like winging, I don't like nitpicking, I also have to stipulate, that it is suspicious, every single fight Canelo has, there is at least one scorecard which seems to favour him a lot, and doesn't make sense, it is certainly a good idea to question it, and an investigation into that wouldn't hurt either. To be honest, although I don't want to believe it, I think Canelo has been taking drugs. I think the fight should be postponed for sure, I think the judges should be selected very carefully, they should have get British, French, or Australian judges, a judge who has never done a Canelo fight before. If Canelo is found out as a seriously unclean fighter, he should be immediately banned and very heavily fined, but even if not, he should be fined, because having Clenbuterol in his system, it is not good enough, it is not acceptable, and it MUSTN'T go unpunished.

Yeah I will. I forgot most of my comment so I'll try my best.

Parker needs to wear out Joshua in order to win, he can do that by investing to the body and boxing smart. Joshua needs to fight patient when he has Parker hurt. Also, did you hear Fury might enter the ring for the fight, and that Joshua said he'd knock him out if he does.

True. I think Canelo should know better then to eat bad meat considering other fighters have been caught with it before.

The corrupt judging should be investigated, 10-2 Canelo was the worst scorecard I've ever seen.