Tony Bellew vs David Haye II

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Tony Bellew vs David Haye II
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Date: 
Saturday, May 5, 2018
Location: 
O2 Arena, Greenwich, London, England, UK
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
Unlimited
Referee: 
Howard Foster

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Fan Cards: Tony Bellew vs David Haye II


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
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TONY BELLEW
9
9
10
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38
DAVID HAYE
10
10
7
9
36


scorecard by HTTP
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TONY BELLEW
10
9
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39
DAVID HAYE
9
10
7
9
35


scorecard by ZAC.RJ
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TONY BELLEW
9
9
10
10
38
DAVID HAYE
10
10
7
9
36


scorecard by ENDOFME1994
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TONY BELLEW
10
9
10
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39
DAVID HAYE
9
10
7
9
35


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
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TONY BELLEW
9
9
10
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38
DAVID HAYE
10
10
7
9
36


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
Round
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TONY BELLEW
9
9
10
10
38
DAVID HAYE
10
10
7
9
36


scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
Round
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TONY BELLEW
9
9
10
10
38
DAVID HAYE
10
10
7
9
36


scorecard by MIKE25
Round
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Total
TONY BELLEW
9
9
10
10
38
DAVID HAYE
10
10
7
9
36


scorecard by ADAMJO260
Round
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5
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12
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TONY BELLEW
9
9
10
10
38
DAVID HAYE
10
10
7
9
36


scorecard by LUKASZRPB
Round
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TONY BELLEW
9
9
DAVID HAYE
10
10


Comments

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

I like this fight, after the first fight, an upset, an unfortunate circumstance, and such a dramatic fight, the rematch was very necessary!

My understanding is that Haye is still the favourite, but not nearly as heavy a favourite as he was last time.

There is a strong argument that the outcome will be the same,

- Haye is a couple of years older than Bellew
- Bellew may be better prepared to compete at 200+ this time than last time, I think he will be more adapted to the weight, he may get some more of his power back as well.
- Haye can be as prepared as he likes, he is injury prone, he always has been, and with age, he is only becoming more vulnerable to injury
- We know Bellew does not respect Haye as a person, but that is meaningless, he respects him immensely as a fighter, and he is training for the fight of his life, and he is training for a win of any emphasis, with a realistic attitude, unlike Haye, who is out to whoop a fighter he should know is right on his level and who he should be trying to beat any which way
- Haye took more clean punches in the first fight, and took a sustained beating as well
- If Bellew can make Haye swing and miss, he can make him need to take rests, or with whatever tactic, he can make in an inside fight, then that could suit him down to the ground

On the other hand,

- Bellew had the vast upper hand in activity last time, this time, not so much, they are both coming off a 14 month layoff, we don't know how important that will be
- We talk about Haye being old, well Bellew has been in some tough fights, there are miles there, and at 35, he's not young himself
- Despite how well he took them, it was Bellew who took the punches from the adapted, experienced heavyweight, and took the more damaging shots in the first fight
- Everyone knows how injury prone Haye is, but nobody talks about the fact that Bellew broke his hand in the first fight, early as well, and that is not the first time it has happened, how brittle are his hands?
- I think you could definitely argue that because it was Haye who maybe fought recklessly last time, didn't have enough respect for his opponent, he is the one who under performed, maybe Bellew did what he was capable of in the first fight, and that's all his potential, and because of that, Haye has more room for improvement, more capability of building on his performance in the first fight
- If Haye can be more controlled this time in the early rounds, get behind his jab as his predominant weapon, then with his head movement, focus, speed, strength in the early rounds, and with the quality, skill of his jab, he can point score against, and frustrate Bellew

I think these guys are a similar size naturally, they are both 6'3, Haye has just competed at a higher weight class throughout his career, on the one hand, Haye is the more established, more adapted heavyweight, but on the other hand, pace wise, then being naturally a similar size could work in Bellew's favour, because on a relative scale, a heavyweight doesn't have the output of a fighter in a lower weight category, and in terms of extra weight, muscle mass, in relative to natural size, it is not at all helpful as the rounds go by, so Haye, having built up the muscle over the years to compete at heavyweight, will struggle more carrying the excess muscle in the late rounds, but of course, Haye is still the more familiar to and the more used to this weight having competed at the weight more times than Bellew has.

Bellew's punch resistance shocked Haye last time, and to me, that exploited Haye's lack of planning, lack of respect for his opponent, because in boxing, you can not go chasing a knockout that doesn't seem to be on it's way.

I think Haye will try to box Bellew for the first 6 rounds or so, he'll try to use his reach, get behind the jab, and make Bellew move, make him do all the work, throw in some feints, be economical, and step it up later in the fight, set Bellew up for shots. Haye should mix the jab up to head and body, point score, and try to knock steam out of Bellew as well, what he does not need is to throw power shots early unless the opening is right there, and with Haye being likely to tire, he has to be conservative, no unnecessary head movement, don't throw any extra punches. Haye has to stop Bellew from upping the tempo, closing the gap in the first 4 rounds, if Bellew begins to move forward, Haye has to punish him before he is in a fight that will go against him, and when Bellew does increase his aggresion, is when Haye does need to move his head, make it tough for Bellew to make it his fight, try to be slick, and re-establish the jab when Bellew isn't prepared for it.

Bellew started the first fight brilliantly, used his feet, waited for Haye to pull the trigger, and in the process of making Haye miss, he stepped in, and caught Haye with that counter left hook to the side of the head which shocked Haye and knocked him back. Bellew did a great job of making Haye miss closing distance briefly, and stepping in with his shots.

Haye isn't going to walk into Bellew's trap this time, Bellew has to prepare for Haye to be more tactical, and if Haye does aim to work off the jab early, Bellew is going to struggle to catch close the distance with the counter, he has to make Haye work in the early rounds, he has to move, but only when he should be mobile, and waste absolutely nothing, blocking the jab with his glove is a good idea, but he has to make Haye work, he has to make Haye work for rounds, not nick them, so he can't let the Haye jab dictate where he stands, he has to press the issue, maybe take the odd jab here and there, that isn't big price to pay, but he has to make Haye expend a lot, and when he does close the distance, even very briefly, he has to take advantage. Bellew has to make it a fight, maybe fight dirty, do whatever he can get away with, mess Haye around, but more importantly, for the first two rounds, don't let Haye work at his pace, and as the early rounds go by, make it an inside fight if you can, but be wary of how dangerous Haye can be if he can create distance.

I do believe that Haye is the slightly fresher fighter, and I don't think the inactivity will be nearly as much of a problem for Haye as it was last time, but I do think that could still be a factor as the rounds go on. I think Bellew should have slightly more power in this fight, maybe regaining some of the power which will have been compromised by the weight change.

I struggle to make a prediction, but gun to my head, I'll say Bellew makes it 2-0, but I don't say that with confidence.

I think Haye will be a little up in the fight thru 6, but I think Bellew will get the better of the second half. I think this will go the distance, it will be close, divided opinions, both guys thinking they've won, but I think Bellew takes it, maybe by split or majority decision.

I think both of them should and will weigh in lighter this time than last time. If Haye weighs 230 again, or heavier, it will go wrong for him, if he weighs in under 225, that is wise, if I had to guess, I'd say he will weigh 222, which will make him more agile, help him stamina wise, and the same for Bellew 213 would be more than ideal, his stamina will benefit, and he will not lose power!, if he weighs 210 or less. I reckon Haye will be around 222, and Bellew will be around 208, so Haye will outweigh Bellew by about a stone, but both will be significantly lighter than last time.

Champion97's picture

Tale of the tape

Bellew
Height: 191
Reach: 188
Age: 35
Year of debut: 2007
Fights: 32
Wins: 29
World title contests: 4
Losses: 2
Experiences above 200: 1
Knockdowns suffered in career: 6
Best win (opinionated) : David Haye (March 2017, TKO 11)
Career heaviest weight: 213
Career lightest weight: 174
Amateur record: 40-7
Amateur achievements: 3 ABAs
Fights from 2016-present: 3
Fights from 2014-present: 9
KO percentage: 59

Haye
Height: 191
Reach: 198
Age: 37
Year of debut: 2002
Fights: 31
Wins: 28
World title contests: 6
Losses: 3
Experiences above 200: 12
Knockdowns suffered in career: 5
Best win (opinionated): Nicolai Valuev (November 2009, MD)
Career heaviest weight: 227
Career lightest weight: 189
Amateur record: 83-13
Amateur achievements: Silver medal in a 2001 world competition
Fights from 2016-present: 3
Fights from 2014-present: 3
KO percentage: 84

Best opponents between them.
1. Wladimir Klitschko (Haye lost, UD)
2. Adonis Stevenson (Bellew lost, TKO 6)
3. Nicolai Valuev (Haye won, MD)
4. Illunga Makabu (Bellew won, KO 3)
5. Isaac Chilemba (Bellew drew with Chilemba. Bellew won, UD)
6. Carl Thompson (Haye lost, TKO 5)
7. Dereck Chisora (Haye won, TKO 5)
8. Nathan Cleverly (Bellew lost, MD. Bellew won, SD)
9. Masternak (Bellew won, UD)
10. Giacobbe Fragomeni (Haye won, TKO 9)

Champion97's picture

Predictions. (30)

Anthony Joshua - Bellew
Joseph Parker - Haye
Deontay Wilder - Haye
Teofimo Lopez - Bellew
Eddoe Mustafa Muhammad - Haye
Sharif Bogere - Bellew
Kevin Newman Jr - Bellew
Juan Heraldez - Bellew
Lanell Bellows - Bellew
Andrew Tabiti - Bellew
Kofi Jantuah - Haye
Charvis Holifield - Bellew
Junior Lopez - Haye
Nate Vasquez - Bellew
Jamie Cox - Bellew
Joe Cordina - Bellew
Glenn McCory - Bellew
Dillian Whyte - Bellew
Malik Scott - Haye
Joshua Buatsi - Bellew
Dereck Chisora - Bellew
Matthew Macklin - Bellew
Peter Fury - Bellew
Shane McGuigan - Haye
Frank Warren - Haye
The Telegraph - Haye
John Ryder - Bellew
James Tennyson - Bellew
Steve Bunce - Haye
BloodyElbow - Haye

Bellew: 19 (63%)
Haye: 11 (37%)

Champion58's picture

Predictions.
I think Bellew wins, it goes the distance, but he wins clearly. I think Haye will be dangerous early on, but I think Bellew will keep him at bay, outwork him down the stretch, and end up a clear winner, winning by good margins on all the cards.

Champion97's picture

Johnny Nelson's tactical analysis

Bellew

Working jab
"Tony has an excellent working jab, not a thudding jab, and excellent working jab, which means he's very good at setting you up for shots, he'll double it, triple it, tap, slap it, then all of a sudden, he'll drop his combinations in, he'll dummy the jab, and move it on, just to put you in position to get the right hand off, to set you up, back you off, and he's very good at it. This is called 'a working jab', to get your opponent in the position you want him in, when you can do that against any opponent, you've won half the battle because you know how to figure him out, you know how to size him up, you've got the range, the measure of your opponent, and that is when you can set the combinations up."

Awareness
"I think Bellew's ring awareness is second to none, he is an excellent student of the game, that means he watches so many fights, sees so many instinctive moves from fighters, that instinctively, he'll know what to do, when the shots are coming, he'llknow how they will flow through. When he boxed Haye last time, he was crafy, Haye was a Silver medalist in the world amateur games, he can fight, box as well, but Tony had to be smart, to make sure he didn't get dummied in, so when the shots came in, he rode the shots, he slid, slipped back from the shots, he knew exactly what to do, he always has that awareness of the shots that are coming through, last time, he had it figured out, he had it sussed".

Finishing
"Tony Bellew is a reckless, instinctive finisher, at times, when he goes to finish an opponent, you think he should back off and be more cautious, but this is what makes him different from a lot of fighters, because he has that confidence, and he can see the shot, at times it is reckless, but I think he is very, very good at it. Instinctively, when he has an opponent hurt, he jumps straight on him, no time for his opponent, he'll jump straight on him. The most impressive to me, was when he fought Makabu, to me, that showed Tony Bellew at his best, when he was clinical as the finish was nearing, we were all worried for him, he'd already been knocked down, Makabu is a puncher, but Tony backed him up against the ropes, at this point, Tony was able to watch out for any return shots from Makabu, avoid those shots, and when Makabu threw a big shot, Bellew slipped back, finished him off, that, really is what fighters do naturally, instinctively, but you have got to have it in the locker, you have got to have the bottle for that."

Haye

One punch power
This cannot be ignored, David's one punch power, is second to none, against Audley Harrison, you wouldn't have thought he had such power in him, and every shot, particularly the first clean shot he landed, he had Harrison in so much trouble, remember, this was a cruiserweight, fighting a heavyweight, a fully fledged, career heavyweight, and Haye consistently, hit him with that powerful shot, didn't let him off the hook, and he got through, Harrison wanted him out of the way so he could fall down. When David hits, he hurts, I've seen it in so many fights, Haye does it with ease, he's fast, accurate, and once he gets a clean shot in, he is a very, very dangerous individual, that is one thing Bellew has to look out for, he mustn't let him land a clean shot".

Defensive punching
"When you can score a knockdown off the back foot, it means you've got power, skill, accuracy, but it's an art, and against Ruiz, he had it off to a tee, again, a cruiserweight in against a heavyweight. David has speed, timing, power, accuracy. If you can do this, you are a very gifted fighter, I've seen this from David Haye many times before."

Determination
"We can't ignore what happened in the first fight, credit where it is due, this guy, no matter what, to the end, would not give up hope, the only other fighter who comes to mind, with that kind of attitude, was Evander Holyfield, to quote him, 'if I lose 11 rounds I still believe I'll win in the 12th round'. Haye's accilles had snapped, he was fighting on one foot, he felt the pain, he knew it was snapped, he knew he only had one leg,he was prepared to lean on the ropes, to fight a dangerous puncher, he was never, ever going to give up."

This fight is not a done deal, it is very hard to assess and pick a winner.

Champion97's picture

Good for both of them that they did the weight right, Bellew-3lbs, Haye-4lbs. The fight should be better this time, because both guys are lighter, they have more punches to throw, more gas in the tank. Haye has cut a lot more weight from last time than Bellew has, but that is because he made the real weight mistake last time.

Champion97's picture

Boom!
What a legend is Tony Bellew!
Haye should be proud of himself, he did not give up, he had dedicated himself, but in the end, the win for him, was not to be, he should retire now, and he knows it deep down, but at least now he knows he gave it his best. David Haye is a two-weight world champion, he has won more than two world titles in his time, isolating his comeback, he will go down as one of the true greats in British boxing, he should be very proud of himself for that, and that is not even considering the heart he showed in both Bellew fights.

I don't want to see Bellew fight again, his last few fights, I mean what a career he has had, but I think after sealing his legacy, doing what he has done against David Haye, winning the cruiserweight world title as well of course, it is time to retire now, he might decide he has a few fights left, he might go back down to cruiserweight, but if he does retire, which I think he will, what a great way to finish a boxing career.

Champion97's picture

I think Bellew adapted to the weight very well from the first fight, and he said before the fight, "whatever you think you've gone through in camp, you haven't felt the pain I have", I think Bellew trained like an absolute maniac. The age difference in there looked like more than 2 years, I think the last fight put a lot of damage on Haye. I don't think Haye injured his leg this time, but I do not think that saved him at all, and because he had his stable base, he was in more danger in that he was walking into the full force of Bellew's punches. Bellew is a great offensive fighter, he has variety, power, precision, when they opened up, that first knockdown, Haye was shaken to his boots, he didn't recover, and Bellew's work ethic, and mentality was great after that third round, he hunted Haye down, did not let him off the hook, he didn't over commit and get careless, he found the perfect balance, and late in round 5, that left hook, that was a beauty, Haye was done at that point, the stoppage was right in my opinion.

I thought the first two rounds were similar to how a lot of us predicted, both boxing well, but Haye maybe just edging it, and that right hand he landed in round 2 would have knocked out most 210 lb fighters, credit to Bellew for taking that shot so well.

I think the inactivity still really cost Haye, 2013, 14, 15, 3 full years out of the ring, and with his injuries, moving up in weight, at his age as well, he should never have come back in my opinion.