Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz

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Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz
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3.8
Average: 3.8 (10 votes)

Date: 
Saturday, March 3, 2018
Location: 
Barclay's Center, Brooklyn, New York, New York, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
Unlimited
Titles at Stake: 
WBC Heavyweight World Title (Wilder's 7th defence)
Referee: 
David Fields

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WBC heavyweight world champion, Alabama's Deontay Wilder, takes on his toughest opponent yet, as he is challenged by awkward, hard hitting Cuban, Luis Ortiz.

Wilder is a favourite, but some predict he will lose, and most, do not think the win will come easily.

The fight begins at a tentative pace, Wilder feinting, Ortiz, trying to bully the champion.

No punches are really thrown, very few are landed, for 3 negative, eye gripping rounds, Ortiz, landing the occasional power shot, hitting Wilder with a couple of lefts to the ribcage. Wilder hits Ortiz with a clean, sharp jab in the second, but is otherwise, without punches landed in the first 3 rounds.

The fight becomes more interesting in round 4, as Wilder begins to take a few more chances, he starts the round well, lands a good shot, but a controlled, and still bulldog like Ortiz is able to back him up, land some good shots of his own, at times, he has Wilder trapped in a corner, and struggling to block punches in bunches coming from the challenger, who seems to be winning the fight.

The fight continues to be interesting in round 5, and at the end of the round, it becomes more entertaining, as Wilder lands 2 clean right hands to the head of Ortiz, putting him on the canvas. Ortiz is hurt, but not out on his feet, and has a full minute to recover, but Wilder makes his first real breakthrough in the fight with the knockdown.

The champion is growing in confidence as he is able to have better control of the ring in the next round, Ortiz struggles to find good opportunities to let shots go without running into danger, and Wilder is able to pick Ortiz off with a couple of good straight shots.

Wilder seems to believe he is hurting a seemingly tiring Ortiz, and near the end of the seventh, after a couple of tentative minutes, Wilder goes on the offensive, lands some good shots, seems to have Ortiz where he wants him, but it is apparent that Ortiz is far from finished, as Wilder, walks into a lethal counter from Ortiz, Wilder is badly hurt, and Ortiz capitalises, batters the champion in a corner. For a long 40 seconds for Deontay Wilder, Ortiz does everything but knock the champion off his feet, as Wilder, without his legs, and fighting on fitness, courage, withstands heavy punishment, takes a brutal beating.

It seems as if Wilder is about to get stopped, but it is also clear that a 38 year old Ortiz, who has just thrown the kitchen sink at Wilder, is exhausted, and possibly unable to repeat his fantastic round of dominance.

For two nothing rounds, nobody can take their eyes off their screens, Ortiz, spent, Wilder, still not fully recovered, and wary of the risk of his opponent. Ortiz seems to steal the submissive eighth by landing more than nothing, and although very tired, doing a good job of not giving Wilder any big openings. Wilder responds by stealing the ninth, a narrow round, but Wilder, regaining confidence, in another nothing round, manages to land a few clean shots against a gassed Ortiz, and he throws them at the right time, at least, until he hits Ortiz after the bell and is warned by the referee.

The fight changes in round 10, as the champion, determined, gutsy, has found a second wind, and has fully recovered from the 7th round crisis he endured, and Ortiz can throw little, any punches he can produce only give Wilder more of a target. As an exhausted Ortiz tries to walk Wilder down, Wilder, off the back foot, lands a clean, brilliant right hand which badly hurts Ortiz, and he goes for the finish the split second he sees Ortiz is hurt. Ortiz is rocked, staying up on toughness, and after 4 smashing left hook/right hands flush on the chin, he falls down heavily, in agony, struggles for breath, but shows a warrior's heart, rises to his feet, only for Wilder to resume his attack, land a couple of crushing shots, which causes a defenceless, vulnerable Ortiz to hit the deck again, heavily, and referee David Fields, quite rightly, to call a halt to the contest.

Deontay Wilder achieves his best career win, makes a statement, comes through a torrid time, has a war, and wins it, defending his title, and proving himself. Wilder gives a very sportsman like post fight interview, he praises his outspoken opponent, who is gracious in defeat, but quite understandably devastated.

Interestingly, although most believe Ortiz was ahead in the fight, all three judges' scorecards read, 85-84 in favour of Deontay Wilder.




Fan Cards: Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz


scorecard by RUTHLESS-RKO
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
8
8
10
82
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by RUET
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by MJARSULIC
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
10
86
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
9
8
9
10
10
9
84


scorecard by BOXING PURIST
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
8
9
9
82
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
10
87


scorecard by LEWGR10
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
85
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
85


scorecard by BLOODMONEY80
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
9
10
10
8
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
85


scorecard by PREMIER BOXING CHAMPIONS
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
10
10
10
8
9
10
85
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
9
8
9
10
10
9
84


scorecard by SHOWTIME10
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
8
9
10
83
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by ADAMJO260
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
10
9
10
10
9
9
10
85
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by CHAMPION58
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
85
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
10
8
10
10
10
9
86


scorecard by WINGSTOP
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
8
9
10
83
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by MIKE25
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by JDTOMP29
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
85
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
85


scorecard by OASIS-OF-REASON
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
8
9
10
83
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
9
10
10
8
9
9
83
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
10
8
9
10
10
10
86


scorecard by MARTIN EDEN
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
8
9
9
82
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
10
87


scorecard by LUKASZRPB
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
9
10
10
8
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
85


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by ENDOFME1994
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by ZAC.RJ
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
8
9
10
83
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
85
LUIS ORTIZ
10
9
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
85


scorecard by GOLD
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


scorecard by TJK146114
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
DEONTAY WILDER
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
10
84
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
10
10
8
9
10
10
9
86


Comments

Champion97's picture

Predictions.

Anthony Joshua - Wilder
Eddie Hearn - Wilder
Lucas Browne - Wilder
Mikey Garcia - Wilder
Harold Lederman - Ortiz
Robert Garcia - Wilder
Dillian Whyte - Wilder
Paulie Malignaggi - Wilder
Malik Scott - Wilder
Spencer Fearon - Wilder
Lou DiBella - Wilder
Freddie Roach - Wilder
Bill Haney - Ortiz
Jesse Hart - Ortiz
Brandon Krause - Wilder
Robert Guerrero - Wilder
Coach Reg - Ortiz
Knocks Train - Wilder
Marcellus Williams - Ortiz
Dave Allen - Wilder
Richard Dwyer - Ortiz
Quatavious Cash - Wilder
Butch Gottlieb - Wilder
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad - Wilder
Dewey Cooper - Wilder
Ashley Theophane - Wilder
Keandre Gibson - Wilder
Sharif Bogere - Wilder
Kofi Jantuah - Wilder
Andrew Tabiti - Wilder
Nick Quigley - Wilder
Ladarius Miller - Wilder
Anthony Martin - Wilder
Amer Abdullah - Wilder
Dan Wettlauffer - Wilder
Charvis Holifield - Wilder
Elvis Grant - Wilder
Lamar - Draw

Wilder: 31
Ortiz: 6
Draw: 1

Champion97's picture
Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Most people consider this an interesting fight, maybe even a 50/50 fight, I think very differently. Luis Ortiz is very highly regarded, highly rated fighter, he's an awkward southpaw with a lot of tricks up his sleeve, he has great amateur pedigree, he hits hard, he moves quite well, he has good feet, he has a lot of good offensive skill. As well as being 38, I think Ortiz is very limited, I think he is overrated, and I think he will end up on his back in this fight.

Wilder is the favourite, a fairly heavy favourite, but not confidently predicted to win, by many, and some people (I would say maybe even as many as 20%) think Ortiz will win. I respect other peoples' opinions, not only that, but some people who think Ortiz wins this, know much more than I do about boxing, but I stand by my prediction, Wilder wins this, I'm almost certain of that, and I'm confident that this is a mismatch.

I don't think Luis Ortiz is nearly as good as he has been made to look, that's my opinion, but more importantly, the facts are, some of what he has achieved in the past, he's achieved with performance enhancing drugs in his system, he hasn't been very active, he has had one fight which went two rounds, in the space of 15 months, and he is nearly 40, in all realism, boxing is not for 40 year olds, and Ortiz, I think is every bit as vulnerable as you would expect a 38-40 year old fighter to be.

I think Wilder can easily negate the skills of Ortiz, and the use of his amateur pedigree, the long and the short of it is that if he lands clean with a serious shot, Ortiz will go, he doesn't need to land a good shot by his own standards, to hurt Ortiz, he has 6 years on this guy, he is far better conditioned, he is the more experienced professional, and he is the biggest puncher in boxing. Wilder can time punches, if Ortiz slows down, which he will, before long, Wilder will find it easier to time a shot, draw Ortiz onto a shot, and if he can do this early, the fight will end early, because once Wilder has caught Ortiz, he has caught him.

I think if Wilder hurts Ortiz, he will finish him before people can even process what has just happened, in their minds, Wilder is a fantastic finisher, when he hurts a guy, he is great at never letting them off the hook, and Ortiz, being so old, his knees aren't up to all that head movement, he's slow footed, he's poorly conditioned at this level, and I don't think he is resilient at all when it comes to taking punches from Deontay Wilder, so for Ortiz to get caught, and get through it, is a physical impossibility.

- I don't think Ortiz has the power or the strength to get Wilder's respect, back him away from an attack if Ortiz needs some respite
- I don't think Ortiz has the pedigree, the athleticism, or the 12 round skill to not get caught with a power shot

I don't think Ortiz can make any significance of his amateur background, the only thing he has on his side is his slight reach advantage.

People underestimate Wilder's skill, experience, and talent, he is a counter puncher, a dedicated athlete, and I believe the biggest puncher in boxing history, Luis Ortiz has fought poorer opponents than Wilder, he's a drug cheat, he's not disciplined, he's old, and he can't make this anything other than an early, easy win first Wilder, I'm 99% sure he gets knocked out and retired in this fight.

My prediction is Wilder by KO in 4.

Champion97's picture

Tale of the tape

Wilder
Height: 201
Reach: 211
Weighed in at: 214
Age: 32
Fights: 39
Wins: 39
World title contests: 7
KO percentage: 97
Best win (opinionated): Bermane Stiverne (January 2015, UD)
Year of debut: 2008
Amateur record: 30-5
Career heaviest weight: 229
Career lightest weight: 207
Unbeaten opponents: 6
Opponents with losing records: 7
Amateur CV: 2008 Olympic Bronze medalist
Time since last fight: 4 months
Current activity rate (2016-present): 4 fights

Ortiz
Height: 193
Reach: 213
Weighed in at: 241.25
Age: 38
Fights: 30
Wins: 28
World title contests: 0
KO percentage: 80
Best win (opinionated): Bryant Jennings (December 2015, TKO 7)
Year of debut: 2010
Amateur record: 349-19
Career heaviest weight: 243
Career lightest weight: 217
Unbeaten opponents: 0
Opponents with losing records: 8
Amateur CV: 2005 gold medalist in the Panamerican world championships in Brazil. Quarter finalist at the World amateur championships in China, in 2005.
Time since last fight: 3 months
Current activity rate (2016-present): 4 fights

Best opponents between them (opinionated).

1. Bermane Stiverne (Wilder won, UD. Wilder won, KO 1)
2. Bryant Jennings (Ortiz won, TKO 7)
3. Johann Duhaupas (Wilder won, TKO 11)
4. Eric Molina (Wilder won, KO 9)
5. Artur Szpilka (Wilder won, KO 9)
6. Lateef Kayode (Ortiz fought Kayode, no result)
7. Gerald Washington (Wilder won, TKO 5)
8. Chris Arreola (Wilder won, TKO 8)
9. Tony Thompson (Ortiz won, KO 6)
10. Malik Scott (Wilder won, KO 1. Ortiz won, UD)
11. Siarhei Liakhovich (Wilder won, KO 1)
12. David Allen (Ortiz won, TKO 7)
13. Nicolai Firtha (Wilder won, KO 4)
14. Kelvin Price (Wilder won, KO 3)
15. Monte Barrett (Ortiz won, KO 4)

Gold's picture

I think this is a decent fight. Luis Ortiz is definitely a top heavyweight contender and was the best guy available for Deontay Wilder to fight, so at least that much can be appreciated. Some people think Ortiz will give Wilder trouble but I think this is around an 85/15 fight for Wilder where Wilder would have to do a lot wrong to lose. I believe this is kind of a no-win fight for Wilder, if he wins and destroys Ortiz, then his detractors will just say he beat an old man, and if he has some difficulty, then he will continue to be seen as limited by his detractors.

In terms of outside factors, the fight is in New York City where Wilder has fought a few times. I assume he will have the home crowd advantage but there could be a small Cuban faction as well. Wilder is also the A-side champion with considerable promotional backing so Wilder may get the benefit of the doubt if things are really close.

For Wilder, he’s been at the world level for a few years now. He’s 32, in his prime as a big but trim heavyweight, 6’7 with an 83 inch reach but usually only weighs around 220 lbs. Wilder only started boxing at 19, and he apparently has a pretty good amateur pedigree where he won an Olympic Bronze in 2008, but it doesn’t really show in the ring. Wilder mainly has success through his athleticism and power. However, he does have a good jab and uses it well to push forward, setting up his big power right hand which is the biggest punch at Heavyweight. He won the title off of Bermane Stiverne in 2015, the only time he ever went the distance, where he hurt his hand but dominated Stiverne. Wilder was to fight Alexander Povetkin in Russia which would have been a great name on Wilder’s resume, but Povetkin popped for steroids. Since beating Stiverne, he has made six defenses of his title against mediocre opposition, dominating and knocking them all out.

For Ortiz, he has been just below the world level for quite some time now. He’s old, supposedly 40 years old, but he may be even older as Cuban defectors often have misrepresented birth dates. Ortiz is a good sized heavyweight, 6’4 with an 84 inch reach at around 240 lbs. He has a strong Cuban amateur pedigree, and he is a southpaw counterpuncher which is quite odd and rare at heavyweight. He has a pretty big punch which he used to knock out his best opponent Bryant Jennings. He has popped for steroids a few times now which has prevented him from fighting for legitimate world titles, making this his first world title appearance. Interestingly, Ortiz has only went ten or more rounds once in his entire professional career.

I think Wilder will win this fight pretty easily. For Ortiz to win, he is going to have to stay on his game the entire night, and I don’t know if he has the engine that Wilder does. I believe Ortiz may get exposed as well, he won’t be able to roid out given his doping program is not sophisticated enough to beat VADA testing, so we may see a quite limited version of Ortiz. It may take Wilder a moment to figure Ortiz out as Ortiz has such a strange style for heavyweight, but once he does I think Wilder will open up behind his jab and eventually knock Ortiz out.

Regardless of who wins, they will likely have to take one more fight between now and the anticipated undisputed heavyweight championship match-up between them and the winner of Joshua/Parker because of Povetkin’s WBA mandatory. If Wilder loses, I don’t think he is done, he is still relatively young for a heavyweight and can work his way back into contention. If Ortiz loses, I think he is definitely done as a top level heavyweight, he is old and won’t be in demand anymore.

Champion97's picture

I think Wilder's opposition is underrated, I mean, Gerald Washington beat Eddie Chambers, Artur Szpilka beat Tomasz Adamek, Johann Duhaupas beat Manuel Charr and Robert Helenius, Stieverne, a few years back, around and before the time of the Wilder fight, was a very good fighter, I'm not saying for a second that his opposition has been fantastic, but he hasn't been fighting guys with many losses, just fighters who aren't at the level that we would hope to see Wilder fight. People say Wilder fights bums, but they don't use their brains, it isn't the fights he has had, it is the important fight he has or hasn't had, his opposition, overall, would be great, had it been him who fought Klitschko and not Joshua.

I honestly think Ortiz is overrated, I certainly don't think he makes the top 5, no way.

Gold's picture

They aren't necessarily bad opponents, perhaps I should have said middling opposition instead of mediocre. I just don't think there are a lot of good heavyweight opponents in general though. Stiverne the first time around was his best opponent and a good resume name, I agree. Ortiz is overrated by some but heavyweight is so barren that he makes the top five for me: Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin, Ortiz. Who else could even make the top five? H. Fury who has almost no resume outside of losing to Parker? Pulev who wouldn't fight Joshua? After that it gets really sad, we are talking about the Big Baby Miller's and Whyte's of the world.

what_is_the_default_password's picture

I cannot help but agree with Tony Bellew that an Ortiz win would be 'disaster for boxing'. Despite the abysmal state of the heavyweight division, its champions would always be considered as the faces of boxing. Do we want someone who failed his drug test twice to be one of the faces? I know I rather have a windmilling fellow instead of someone who got caught doping twice.

Regardless, Wilder has youth on his side. He just need to know when (not) to use his windmills...

Champion97's picture

Trust me, this is a mismatch. Ortiz is not that good, he's old, not well conditioned, he can't take the wrath of his opponent, and he doesn't hit THAT hard, this mother*****r is going to sleep, and when he wakes up, he'll think he had a nightmare about being whopped, and put right in his place.

I hate that 'windmill' crap, I think we should leave that to the casuals, and the people who like to use their lack of knowledge to annoy. Wilder does throw wild over hands, but what you have to take from that is that he is unorthodox, and bear in mind, the shot he nearly killed Szpilka with, as a short, sweeping counter right, and the shot he hurt Stiverne with, was a solid straight right, straight down the middle, his left hook is very, very underrated, and Wilder may not be that selective with his shots, but he is very versatile, and he varies up his angles and distances when he throws his power shots, 'windmill', just like saying Mayweather is a ballet dancer, saying that Joshua is a bodybuilder, no Wilder is the real deal, I struggle to see how he isn't top 3 in anybody's mind, and at the moment, I think he is the top dog, followed by Joshua, followed by Parker.

what_is_the_default_password's picture

Wilder is certainly underrated in a technical perspective. In any case, a win over Ortiz will solidify his status as a truly elite Heavyweight for those who question his ability. Ortiz is the name Wilder needs on his resume; after Wilder get rid of that old doping fart he can move on to bigger names on his hit list.

The 'windmill' is meant to be a tongue-in-cheek meme, at least for those who understands what they are watching. Of course, there will always be 'casuals' who sprout these labels un-ironically, unfortunately. In any case, in this day and age of the internet I don't think it is bad for a fighter to become well-known (among casuals because the money that keeps the business going flows from their grubby wallets) because of some silly memes. There is no such a thing as bad publicity, or so the saying goes. 'Windmill' certainly sounds funnier than a 'bodybuilder' or a 'ballet dancer'...

Champion97's picture

100% agree.

Yeah OK I just fine it irritating because so many idiots use it, forget it, say it or don't, it doesn't matter. I agree, it isn't necessarily the general sports fans, who pay to watch fights who I'm referring to. Good point, but there is another way of looking at it, Wilder's legacy, it isn't what it should be, people talk about Ortiz being avoided, but I'll say, Wilder is the one who is avoided!

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A mismatch, Ortiz lost 2 rounds arguably 3 of the 9 completed rounds by the time he tired and got stopped. Joshua has been fighting top fighters time after time and fighting another in Parker in a couple weeks, Wilder has this single good win out of 40 and you want to call AJ vs Wilder 50-50. I highly doubt Wilder could make it through White, Breazeale, Klitschko, Takam & Parker undefeated, but lets put Wilder on a level playing field as AJ, ridiculous.

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Hahaha, oh come on, you fools can't still be around, I thought you had all shut your BSing mouths after the Ortiz fight. All of you idiots, you are damaging the sport.
40-0, 39 KOs, a counter puncher, stamina, Power!, work rate, variety, focus, discipline, 3 year defending world champion, and you compare Wilder to domestic level fighters like Whyte and Breazeale, You're ridiculous you oik.

Well here's something I've got to say to you pal, I think you're ridiculous, like the rest of the deluded fans over here in the UK.
Whyte is NOT better than Wilder, Parker, Wilder was fighting Povetkin until Povetkin failed the test, AJ has admitted Wilder is very, very dangerous, wants to fight him a lot later. Johann Duhaupas, Gerald Washington, Artur Szpilka, Bermane Stiverne (in 2015) (not saying they are very good at world level, but they are solid opponents whi are good enough to stop the likes of Chris Arreola, Robert Helenius, Eddie Chambers, by the way, Whyte couldn't stop Helenius, he can't be that much better than Duhaupas who Wilder gave a beatdown. You absolute idiot. I think you should delete your account and clear off, I'm furious that one of you wasters who talks s*** about Deontay Wilder is anywhere near EOTR, bugger off, and go back to the YouTube comments section.

A mismatch?, are you on a substance? Wilder was ahead, let's nkt forget he got the out of there, this is world level boxing, you win, you keep your belt, you do not have to look great in the process, and Ortiz is very highly rated, I can't believe you fools exist.

Again, I'm not happy, not at all, clear off, get off this site, and you and the rest of you stop talking BS about a 40-0 undefeated world champion!

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Do you want to actually discuss this?

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Do you want to actually discuss this?

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I like Anthony Joshua, I'm not going to rip on AJ, be a hypocrite, and join the opposing idiots. Klitschko, Takam, Parker, 3 in a row, which all make it harder and harder to criticise Joshua's opposition, but, before Klitschko, Wilder fought the better opponents than Joshua.

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Ok, haha, keep in mind that last thing you said, and keep in mind that a common opponent, Eric Molina, has said Wilder knocks Joshua out in rounds 3-7, Jarrett Hurd, Mikey Garcia, a lot of others think Wilder is better than Joshua, so keep running your mouth.

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Wilder by knockout, in 6 or 7.

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What a fight!
That wasn't as great as Joshua vs Klitschko, but it was still a great fight!
Ortiz did a lot better than I expected, he boxed very well early, showed a lot of good fundamentals, he was able to block well, he knew what he had to do to win a round without giving Wilder any opportunities.
I thought Ortiz was done after round 5, he got tagged with 2 clean right hands, and he was hurt, but he came back, and it was actually Wilder's decision to take the risk of going for it in that seventh, which put him in trouble, Ortiz is experienced, and he wasn't intimated, he countered, and he countered with natral power, it wasn't a tense, forced shot, it was accurate, it rattled Wilder's senses, and I think at that point, Ortiz was extremely confident, maybe even certain, that Wilder was about to get stopped, and after that, I think Ortiz couldn't find a second wind, and in round 10, Wilder had been patient, the more they opened up at that point, the more damage Wilder could do, and that finish was brutal, there were at least 5 huge punches there, I was worried for Ortiz, if there was anything wrong with him, he wouldn't be walking around talking, and he's doing that, so that's a relief.

Wilder showed a lot of class saluting Ortiz like that, mentioning that they both have the struggle in common, of having a daughter who is unwell, I think that makes a difference.
Wilder should be praised for his sportsmanship, let's not forget, that Ortiz probably wasn't clean in this fight, and he has wasted a lot of Wilder's time with his drug cheating, as well as doing the sport an injustice by doing that, he was very lucky to get this shot.

I'm very glad Wilder is finally getting the credit he deserves, and maybe now, Joshua vs Wilder will be looked at as the 50/50 fight it is!

If Joshua beats Parker, won't be easy, but I think he will win, then the Wilder fight should happen, and I think it will.

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Easy fight to score from 5-9, but I disagreed with the judges based on the first 4 rounds, they were close, but I gave them all to Ortiz, the judges must have given at least 2 of those rounds to Wilder.

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Terrible & corrupt judging. I can't fathom how there are people that actually think Wilder with his no technique and 1 win over a ranked opponent (a very old opponent) but still 1 win in 40 over a live body, and there are people that think this guy beats Joshua. Laughable, AJ is infinitely more skilled, is younger, hits just as hard, and has fought and stopped numerous top ranked opponents. There have been numerous HW's over the years with power like Wilder's (AJ being one of them) a punchers chance is all Wilder has, although bad news for him AJ has the same chance with his crazy power, but he can also box Wilder to a shutout. I believe AJ shuts Wilder out for 5 rounds then turns Wilder's lights out in the 6th.

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If you don't think Ortiz was a good win, AJ's best win is versus an old Wlad coming off a year and a half layoff after a loss and other than that we are talking about the Whytes and Breazales of the world, some "ranked" opponents. AJ's power is probably the most overrated at Heavyweight, either him or Povetkin at the moment. Just think of what Wilder would be if he didn't have all-world level power. He would never have world title let alone sparked Ortiz. Wilder would have gotten Takam out of there while AJ needed the referee to do it for him. Not saying that means AJ is trash, he is a better all-around boxer, but sometimes at Heavyweight power is the only relevant metric.

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You stink.

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Not you, BP sucks.

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Oh, okay

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You just disregard Wilder's counter punching ability, versatility?, athleticism?, you disregard a 40-0 record? You disregard 7 world title wins?

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Just to be clear, these unfriendly messages are for the ironically named Boxing Purist, the moron from the "Wilder is not a good fighter and has no chance against Joshua' club.

I like how early you were going to town, pulling no punches, but you are hiding away with your big mouth shut ever since I explained that people who know more about boxing than 10 of you put together, actual boxers, say Wilder beats Joshua.
What you don't understand, is that in boxing, you find a way to win, if you're opponent gasses, you punish, and pummel them, that's a way to win, clean, within the rules, it takes a dangerous, determined athlete to do it, and in boxing, screw your scorecard, complaining judges even though you suck at scoring fights, it does not have to be a flawless, technical masterpiece, but in boxing, at world level, it isn't even much about making statements, at this level, you win, and when a fighter does that, give them credit, and 'Ok fair play but he still gets stoppd in 6 easy rounds against AJ' is not giving him credit.

Even people from London, who were spirited Joshua fans before he was a star in boxing, think you people are boneheads.

Again,
Eric Molina
Jarrett Hurd
Mikey Garcia
Kenny Porter
Chris Arreola
Joe Cortez
Robert Guerrero
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

Just remember who exactly who you are insulting when you run your mouth you sucker.

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Dude, shut up. You have your opinions, and I have mine. You've been crying all day, I think Wilder sucks, I don't care if you don't agree. And I don't care to get in a back and forth with someone that loses their nut like you. You defend people that attack and threaten others for their scorecards, you've deleted fights I've asked for that you created over a comment about Deontay Wilder. Grow up and quit acting like a child throwing a all day temper tantrum, over some comments you don't agree with. I don't like the clear favoritism you show to certain people, even if they go off the deep end on someone unprovoked, but I'm not telling you to get off the site or throwing a hissy like you do about it. Grow up, man up, you need to do both, either way there is no need for us to talk to each other, but I'm not going anywhere. There are much worse offenders to other users here that you're chums with, so you have no business telling me to leave anyway.

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The fact that you say a 3 year unbeaten heavyweight world champion sucks, 40-0, says it all.
Again, Eric Molina, Mikey Garcia, Robert Guerrero, the list goes on, they all expose your argument as BS just by being themselves and explaining their view.
You don't know boxing, winging about how a fighter looks to you and styles not being pretty is amateurish, and the sign of a whiney diva, again, Heart, Dedication, Power, Stamina, Timing, this is fighting, yes there is technicality, DEFENCE involved but it is old school at the end of the day, it is combat, fighting, not tidley winks!

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I don't care though, just like you don't care that I think your opinion of Wilder is BS. Do you really think there aren't more than a few fighters in the boxing game that agree with my opinion? You'd be off if you did, I simply don't care to look. Just because I don't agree with you on Deontay fucking Wilder somehow means I don't know boxing, I mean could you act anymore like a child who doesn't get his way, in my view you don't know about boxing because you hold Wilder in such high regard/on a level of AJ. The guy is a can crusher with 1 good win to his name in 40 fights, double the amount of AJ who has more impressive wins in 20 fights. You can continue to cry and throw a fit all you like, but I'm not going to go back and forth with you. I simply don't care enough about you or the topic, and we're not going to change each others minds. You carry on throwing your hissy if you like, but I'm done with you.

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You're done with me - translation, I don't want to learn about boxing, I want to just stick to being stupid.
Agreeing, disagreeing, I'm going to make this simple, does Wilder beat Joshua?, that is a good question, THAT is a matter of opinion and agree/disagree, do either of them suck? Is it ridiculous to say it is a great fight? This is not about opinions, Wilder is at the TOP of his game, top of his sport, does he suck? Forget opinions, it isn't about opinions, there are limits to when you can hide behind that shit and when you've just got to accept that your talking rubbish.

You disgust me, after all the sacrifices Wilder has made, all he has achieved, all the years of hard work, fighting with broken hands and never complaining about it, working his way to the top, the hard way, and you fools go off on him for his opposition which are not as bad as you idiots said, and now he has finally beaten a big name, been tested, come through it, gotten the win, not an SD, not a premature stoppage, not facial damage, a beating, and finally, SURELY, you're all gone now, you're argument is over as the Canelo haters shut their mouths when he agreed to fight Golovkin, but no, disgustingly, even after proving himself, he still gets disrespected by oiks like you, it makes me very angry. This is very bad for the sport.

Does Wilder beat Joshua? Great question, it is a 50/50 fight, the biggest potential match up to be made in boxing!!! Remmeber that!! I coukd give you 10 reasons why each beat the other.

Does Joshua suck? Does Wilder suck? Does Golovkin suck? Does Spence suck? Does Crawford suck?
All unbeaten world champions!
The answer is easy, there IS a right answer, no they darn well do NOT suck!!

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And you should be Champion_Crybaby_Bitch97.

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You're the one calling me a piece a shit you moron, you are throwing a childish fit. Learn from a nut, you are off your rocker, how is this type of behavior allowed to go on here, you keep escalating. How many comments did you make insulting me before I said anything 10-15, just fuck off already man you seriously are coming off as crazy, you're not going to change my opinion.

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Before you said anything, you started this with your BS comment about DW!
I have been saying for years, that in boxing, fans are important, but you, you are the opposite of a fan, you disgust me, you sit there, and you tear down world champions, how you can have such a bad attitude towards a fighter is beyond me.

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Ok, I'm going to try to be fair, because believe it or not, I HATE confrontation.
I should not verbally abuse you, but, understand this, for years I have been defending Deontay Wilder, someone who I look up to as a fighter and person, against all the negative comments, all the disrespect, now, I should have been more gentlemanly, and explained why

Wilder vs Joshua is an interesting fight.
Wilder's opposition is underrated, better than Joshua pre Klitschko
Why Joshua beats Wilder
Why Wilder beats Joshua
Why they should both get respect
Why neither or them suck!
That is what I should have done, but at the same time, if you are anything better than all the names I've called you, you will topry to understand me.

No more insults from me! But I think that attitude towards a champion is bad for boxing, and hey, I'm going to be fair here, you know who are no better?
"Aj a hype job he on steroidds no chin gasses overrated wilder beat him easy"
"Mayweather a pussy runs away in fights"

Whether it is Joshua, Wilder, or Mayweather, acknowledge these unbeaten, experienced world champions, as the high achievers they are, and make it more positive, that is my final message, that is the root of this heated argument.

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I still think your original comment was way out of line, and you should edit it.

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