Vasyl Lomachenko vs Guillermo Rigondeaux

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Vasyl Lomachenko vs Guillermo Rigondeaux
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2.6
Average: 2.6 (5 votes)

Date: 
Saturday, December 9, 2017
Location: 
Madison Square Garden Theater, New York, New York, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
130
Titles at Stake: 
WBO World super featherweight title

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Fan Cards: Vasyl Lomachenko vs Guillermo Rigondeaux


scorecard by KAISERKOBA
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by ADAMJO260
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by GOOSU
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by RUTHLESS-RKO
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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59
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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54


scorecard by THEALTERPLACE
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by P4P
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by ABURIUS
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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53


scorecard by BOXNATIONSCORES12
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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54


scorecard by JEROMEANDRES
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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53


scorecard by HF86
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by MIKE25
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by ZAC.RJ
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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59
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by LEWGR10
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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59
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
10
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scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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44


scorecard by TALESFROMTHECRYPT
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by MONAGFAM
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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54


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
10
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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53


scorecard by NAGABILLY
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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59
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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scorecard by GOLD
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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59
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
10
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54


scorecard by TJK146114
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
10
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
9
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53


scorecard by ENDOFME1994
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
10
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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53


scorecard by ALBERTOCASTANY
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VASYL LOMACHENKO
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60
GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
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Comments

albertocastany's picture

Not sure if I like this fight or not. Yes, they are two masterclass fighters, but the terms of the fight are a slightly unfair for Rigo. Still, I don't think there's a better fight for both of them. Loma could have gone the Mikey Garcia way, but it would be a nightmare to make with Top Rank treating Mikey as persona non grata.

Champion97's picture

How can you not be sure if you like it?

what_is_the_default_password's picture

It is a do-or-die fight for Rigondeaux, given how badly stagnating his career has been. I wish it has taken place on more even grounds at the Featherweight division and when Rigodeaux was younger.

what_is_the_default_password's picture

My fear is that if Lomachenko beats Rigondeaux, which is likely, the consensus among the casuals would be that Rigodeaux was both over-rated and boring, when Rigondeaux is easily one of the most promising fighters in the decade who never really gets his chance to shine due to the horrible machinations of the business.

Champion97's picture

Tale of the tape

Lomachenko
Age - 29
Years a professional - 4
Professional fights - 10
Amateur record - 396-1
Height - 5'6in/168cm
Reach - 65in/166cm
Professional record - 9-1 (7KOs)
World title fights - 9
Best victory (opinionated) - Gary Russell Jr
Experiences of boxing 12 rounds - 3
Experiences of boxing 10 rounds or beyond - 3
Experiences of boxing at 130 - 4
Current regular weight - 130
Experiences of boxing outside of home country or the US - 1
Medals won as an amateur - 6
Gold medals won as an amateur - 5
Knockdowns suffered in professional career - 0
Disputed decision wins so far in career - 1
Last fight - August 2017
Consistency through the last 2 years - 5 fights
Rounds boxed as a professional - 87
Clear losses - 0
Pound for pound ranking (opinionated) - 4th

Rigondeaux
Age - 37
Years as a professional - 8
Professional fights - 18
Amateur record - 463-12
Height - 5'4in/163cm
Reach - 68in/173cm
Professional record - 17-0-0-1 (11KOs)
World title fights - 9
Best victory (opinionated) - Nonito Donaire
Experiences of boxing 12 rounds - 4
Experiences of boxing 10 rounds or beyond - 6
Experiences of boxing at 130 - 0
Current regular weight - 122
Experiences of boxing outside of home country or the US - 5
Medals won as an amateur - 10
Gold medals won as an amateur - 10
Knockdowns suffered in professional career - 4
Disputed decision wins so far in career - 1
Last fight - June 2017
Consistency through the last 2 years - 3 fights
Rounds boxed as a professional - 108
Clear losses - 0
Pound for pound ranking (opinionated) - 7th

Champion97's picture

10 Strongest opponents between Lomachenko and Rigondeaux (opinionated).

1. Gary Russell Jr - Lomachenko (won MD)
2. Nicholas Walters - Lomachenko (won RTD 7)
3. Ricardo Cordoba - Rigondeaux (won SD)
4. Nonito Donaire - Rigondeaux (won UD)
5. Roman Martinez - Lomachenko (won KO 5)
6. Orlando Salido - Lomachenko (lost SD)
7. Roberto Marroquin - Rigondeaux (won UD)
8. Rico Ramos - Rigondeaux (won KO 6)
9. Jason Sosa - Lomachenko (won TKO 10)
10. Joseph Agbeko - Rigondeaux (won UD)

Champion97's picture

Tactical advice for Rigondeaux

First six - Do not let him steal any of the first 3 rounds, attack the body in spurts, don't work regularly throughout rounds, pick your offensive periods, jump into range, use that left hand, with speed, precision, which he won't be used to, give him the pressure if needing to work. You've got longer arms than this dude, show him why that's a problem for him, at distance beat him to the punch, be economical, be conservative, but use that reach. Try to land some fast shots to his face, you don't have to load up, just let those fast hands go, try to open up some gashes, sting this guy, put the pain on him. If he showboats, at all, jump right on him, catch him where he is vulnerable, the liver, the temple, when he doesn't see it coming, you're faster than this guy thinks you are, take advantage of that.

Last six - You will be tired, he's going to try to knock you out, let him, as long as you have put the rounds in the bank, let him, make him miss when he swings for the fences, and whenever he needs a breather, punish him, if you haven't won enough rounds, then you must take risks, take the guy into deep waters, show the world you are not boring, bring the attack up from body to head, fight dirty if you can, try to nick rounds 9 and 10 if you can, by investing in those occasional, fast flurries, you've done the championship rounds more times than he has, you've been there, remind him who the veteran.

Tactical advice for Lomachenko

First six - Don't work yourself ragged in the first few rounds, it may well be unnecessary, you're the young guy, you've got the tougher chin, you're the natural featherweight, in the late rounds, this is yours, don't out work this old man in rounds 1 and 2, just pressure him, make him move, your the taller guy, you'll weigh more, bring everything onto your terms, land that uppercut to the body, whenever you have him backed into a corner, timing is paramount here, too early or too late, when you do let a hard shot go, and you will waste a lot of steam, maybe walk onto a counter as well. Whenever he lets anything go, use that footwork, pivert, make him hit thin air, but don't spend minutes waiting for him to give an opportunity for a counter, he's going to try and work in spurts. Whether you think there is nothing really in it, or you are 4-0 up in you mind, it would be a huge mistake to showboat against a spiteful punisher like this, you so much as smile, and Rigo will make you pay, you need focus, 180/12.

Last six - This is your territory, he's going to be fading, exploit that, you sense his legs slowing down, get him on the ropes, pin him down, over power him, wind up a couple of big punches that will knock even more out of him, but don't load up too much, you're naturally bigger, more natural force, raw more will flow through to your fists than he can produce with the same amount to effort. You shouldn't give him a second's breather for the sake of landing one big punch you think could knock him out unless you need a knockout and it is the last round, or he is running on empty and you are extremely confident, because in rounds 7-10, you must not give this guy a second's rest, make him work. If he tries to rough you up, fight dirty (and you should expect this) use that to work in your favour, your bigger, spin him, push him, shove him, anger won't help this guy, even if you can't affect him mentally, if you can even wrestle him down, getting up could take something out of him. In rounds 7 and 8, it is not the time to admire your work, you need to take risks, do anything you can to win the rounds, you may have to take punches to land them, walk through a couple of shots if you can land your own, with more authority. Late on, it may be more a case of landing more, rather than better, you can punch, this guy hasn't got a great chin, if you land it on his jaw, with a relatively hard shot, he may be shaken, if you do rock him, that's when you let the really big punches go.

Gold's picture

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for all of the analysis you post on fights. Keep up the good work!

Champion97's picture

Thanks man!
Yeah I enjoy analysing boxing, I've always found the sport very fascinating, I think it is scientific, and exciting, the way no other sport is.
I think this will be a very interesting fight, I think Rigondeaux has the ring IQ, the skill, the talent to beat almost anybody, maybe anybody full stop, but I think Lomachenko is a top 5 fighter, he makes the top 4 on my list, and I think he is too young, too big for Rigondeaux, therefore we will see him win, I can never write Rigondeaux off, but my prediction is Lomachenko, you agree?

Gold's picture

That's what drew me to boxing and keeps me around no matter how many stupid referees or judges I see. It's very exacting, technical, and as you said, exciting.
I think your assessment of Rigondeaux, what he needs to do, and his chances are spot on. I personally have Rigondeaux ranked #5 and Lomachenko ranked #9 on my pound for pound as I believe Rigondeaux has a somewhat better resume (I think Loma has an overrated/weak resume to be honest) and better skills. As you said Rigondeaux is a special fighter, but the weight and age will likely be a bridge too far. I hope Rigondeaux can win, as I think Lomachenko is overhyped by people like Teddy Atlas (who said Lomachenko was #1 p4p while standing between Ward and Crawford). Personally, I see a decisive 115-112ish decision for Loma. Rigondeaux will have to take some chances if he wants to win, and I think Lomachenko will be able to knock him down.

Champion97's picture

That's fair enough. I don't know if I agree, it is hard for me to say Nicholas Walters and Gary Russell Jr aren't very good fighters. I think they are both special fighters. I don't think he is overrated, but I do think it is wrong when the media, confirm!, like it is a newly discovered fact, that "this is settled, Lomachenko is the top man in boxing, the pound for pound number 1", how can anyone say that?, ridiculous, I think Crawford, Garcia might have ever so slightly too much adaptability, experience in the pro game for Lomachenko. Teddy Atlas is a terrible, terrible analyst, he talks so much s***, and shows such disrespect, and immaturity, it is quite sad to see. I agree on that prediction, I will wrote my actual prediction analysis soon.

I find the fight very interesting, Rigondeaux is not stupid, he's a realist, he knows he can't be as good as he once was, it is a virtual impossibility, he doesn't believe he "can beat anyone because no fighter in history was ever like me, and nobody ever will be as great as me", no, he knows what time it is, he must think, and be ready confident, that Lomachenko is not as good as he thinks he is, that Lomachenko will come apart, that he has had it made so that he looks better than he is, or Rigondeaux wouldn't go to Lomachenko's weight. Rigondeaux may be the smaller man, he may be a couple of inches shorter, but his arms are as long as heck, 4 inches on Lomachenko in reach, could that have an impact? I think it definitely could, interesting.

Gold's picture

The thing about Walters is that I don't think the Walters Lomachenko beat was nearly as good as the Walters who beat Donaire, and I don't think that Donaire was as good as the one Rigondeaux beat. I think Russell is his best win and a good one (and can go up in value if Russell does well in the future) but its mainly based on the eye test of Russell. I don't understand how Atlas and his analysis can be so stupid when he trained championship level fighters.

I applaud both fighters for taking this fight, Rigondeaux moving up two weights at his old age versus Lomachenko who has a lot to lose if Rigondeaux beats him, and if he wins there will be detractors because Rigondeaux is smaller and much older. To be honest, I didn't know Rigondeaux had a four inch reach advantage, but I don't think the reach advantage will end up making a difference. To my knowledge, Lomachenko has faced quite a few opponents with longer reaches. If Rigo fatigues and can't box and move it's going to be hard for him to make good use of it for the duration of the fight anyways.

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Super fight!

I think both these guys are top 10 world boxers. I say this would be a dead even 50/50 fight, but for two factors, age, and weight. Lomachenko being 29, and Rigondeaux being 37, besides, Lomachenko being familiar at 130, whilst Rigondeaux has been at 122 for years, means Lomachenko has 2 extreme advantages.

I think Lomachenko will win by decision, I think unanimous, and by a margin of at least 3 points, probably wider. If Lomachenko is not clearly behind after 6 rounds, I'm almost certain he'll have it in the bag, because the second half of the fight, this is the point in a fight when age really shows, and it is also a time when natural size, a weight advantage is more helpful for one fighter and problematic for his opponent, than in the first half. If Rigondeaux is ahead after 6 rounds, 4-2/5-1, then we'll be watching an interesting fight, and I'd give Rigondeaux a good shot at winning the fight, but if he is to have a chance of winning this, then a good start is of paramount importance.

Rigondeaux is not stupid, I don't think he is in the slightest bit deluded, about the realism of boxers at extreme disadvantages, he won't believe he is equally skilled to Lomachenko, equally athletic in his own wheelhouse, equally durable, because of he did, he wouldn't be follish enough, at 37, to move up 8 lbs, that's a massive amount for a bantamweight. Rigondeaux must believe, that in a completely fair fight, on neutral terms, he could do an absolute number on Lomachenko, he must consider himself substantially better than Lomachenko, so much that he can afford to let the opponent take the fight with these extreme advantages, at the expense of earning a lot more money, that is smart, but he had better not (and the same applies to his coach) have misjudged the scenario, because if so, this could end very badly for him, we have seen guys jump up in weight, not only dart into a big fight above a weight they weren't thoroughly drained at, but skip a full category, and leap up two divisions, and regret the bold move, we've also seen boxers overestimate themselves when at a certain age, and learn a torrid lesson about what happens to fighters in their late thirties, thinking the way they thought in their late twenties. Rigondeaux is taking both of these gambles, if he isn't considerably better than Lomachenko, relatively speaking, then he won't win this fight.

It looks like this fight suits Lomachenko down to the ground, it does, but at the same time, if he loses, it will put him in a very tough spot, it is a must win, there pressure really is on him. I do think Lomachenko's resumé is underrated, Walters, Russell, they are really good fighters, Martinez, Sosa are decent, and he has destructed most of these guys, he beat Russell, in I believe his third fight, by a wide margin, but nevertheless, he is yet to beat another top fighter, or a fighter who is just a notch below, he's beaten a guy with outstanding speed, Russell, he's beaten a guy who hits like a train, Walters, but he hasn't faced a ring genuis, with incredible ability to time punches, and the raw talent, 180 second per round focus, all the attributes Rigondeaux has which are so hard to negate, and can disarm any boxer, so this will be a tough test for the Ukrainian amateur boxing king, this is happening at a good time for Lomachenko, he is very lucky to even have any fight at his weight, against a guy who is coming directly from the division below, the division below his division, and there is no substitute for youth, if Lomachenko is as good as many people say, as good as those who go or have ever ranked him the very best boxer on the planet, say he is, he should defeat Rigondeaux, he won't be expected to absolutely breeze the fight, because of how experienced, awkward a fighter Rigondeaux is, but he should still be able to get the win.

I'll be very impressed if Lomachenko gets the better of the first half of this fight, I'd tell his fans to stop worrying at which point, I don't expect it to be the case, but if he does manage to build a lead, I think he would find himself pretty much, in the clear.

I think Rigondeaux has a very complicated game plan, I think Rigondeaux is going to try to cause some early damage, I wouldn't put it past him to specifically aim to break Lomachenko's jaw, open up cuts on his eyes, if he does it with punches, there is nothing illegal about it, this is boxing, it is fighting, cuts, fractures, they happen. I've seen an interestingly high number of Rigondeaux's opponents wind up with facial, structural damage, I wonder if he ever does it on purpose, deliberately lands with glancing blows that connect with the right amount of force, at the right, unlucky, agonising angle, to break something. If Rigondeaux does somehow manage to break Lomachenko's jaw, then Lomachenko will have a serious problem, and Rigondeaux will try to break him, if Rigondeaux can cause a gash or two, Lomachenko will have a tough time. It is also likely that Rigondeaux is not planning to try to cause facial damage, he may well be confident he can outbox Lomachenko early, nullify him with ring IQ, defence, boxing skills, maybe he is planning to invest in a high number of body shots, early, take something out of his opponent, maybe just one way or another, weaken his opponent, lessen his opponent in anticipation for the later rounds, possibly a combination of all these possibilities and other tactical ideas, but based on movement, output, relatively speaking, Rigondeaux is bound to tire before Lomachenko, it is Lomachenko who comes on strong, late, based on the fight scenario as it stands, so Rigondeaux's objective should be to apply a tactic that hinders this for Lomachenko, once he is in the ring, rather than trying to make it so he does such a lot of good work, he should try to make it so that Lomachenko can't do such a lot of good work, for Rigondeaux, rather than trying to make himself a better boxer, he needs to try to make Lomachenko a poorer boxer, disarm him, nullify him.

Lomachenko must not get cocky, consider the fight won before the bout has started, because that could be a terrible mistake. When the fight arrives, Lomachenko must, first and foremost, make it so that Rigondeaux can't get through the early rounds without working hard, he must keep the pace high, sustain pressure, make Rigondeaux work, in rounds 3-6, he should use his work rate, use his punch variety, try to outwork Rigondeaux, despite inevitably taking some good counter punches, he just has to try to outland his opponent, but in the second half of the fight he should really pile on the pressure, use his size, strength, make a fight of it, try to find Rigondeaux's chin if he can afford to gain that confidence in his own dominance.

I expect the fight to be more or less, in the balance, after 8 rounds, I think if Lomachenko is either at least 6-2 down, or behind at all, after 10 rounds, it will reach the point for him, when he has to put Rigondeaux on the canvas, I doubt Rigondeaux will put that many points in the bank, but if he does, and Lomachenko is frustrated, behind, but on the offensive, how will he deal with the pressure?, will he come apart, become reckless, desperate, make himself a target for Rigondeaux?, or will he do what champions do, show adaptability, use his frustration to his advantage, and pull out what could be one of the best victories of his career?

My prediction is Lomachenko by unanimous decision, 114-112, 115-111, 116-110.

Your prediction for this fight Is a UD win for loma with 114-112, 115-111 and 116-110... hmm interesting, so who gets put on the canvas then ?

Champion97's picture
EndOfMe1994's picture

Rigondeaux wins it with a vicious body shot KO/stoppage due to an accumulation of body punishment. Don't ask me why or what round.

Rigondeaux, on top being one of the P4P best fighters in the world, just seems to have a certain cold spitefulness to him. But he seems like someone who, when he sets his mind on doing something, he does it regardless of what it costs him. And you're making a horrible mistake if you get in his way or try to tell him "No". Maybe that's just the "vibe" he gives off, maybe that's just my imagination, idk. Lomachenko, to me, doesn't have that same spitefulness.

I'm going with my gut feeling here. Don't really care if I'm wrong.

Champion97's picture

You could be right.
Sometimes just going with your first instinct, just a bold estimation, is the answer, I wouldn't wrote Rigondeaux off.

what_is_the_default_password's picture

I'm rooting for Rigo, and I do hope he can pull that off. But realistically speaking, how well he carries that power up two weight classes is doubtful.

Champion58's picture

I agree on Rigondeaux winning.

what_is_the_default_password's picture

My thoughts on this fight:

Obviously with his age and size advantage, Lomachenko is favoured to win.

Most of us are excited about this fight because both men are arguably going to face the toughest opposition in each of their careers, and because both men are the most decorated amateurs in modern boxing history.

No doubt this fight is going to be highly technical, but I don't think it will happen the way some people imagine.

Both Lomachenko and Rigondeaux are technicians with some unique styles. However, their unique styles are unlikely to be apparent in this fight, at least not immediately.

Sometimes, Rigondeaux is practically a left-handed fighter. Jabs are hard to land in southpaw-orthodox match-ups, so instead of trying to land his right jabs Rigodeaux just paws slowly with his right and lull his opponent into a slow rhythm, before jolting them with quick and hard left hand.

Rigodeaux's modus operandi is not going to be as effective here as Lomechenko himself is another southpaw.

Sometimes Rigodeuax's defense involves bending at the waist to avoid punches.

While bending at the waist gives you upper body mobility, it sacrifices feet mobility, which might be dangerous against an opponent like Lomachenko who is active at taking angles.

Lomachenko is a fighter with a very high output, which is partly why casuals embraced him while they denigrate Rigondeaux as boring. However, among Lomachenko's output, many of them are pitter-patter punches for Lomachenko hide his hard shots amidst a sea of light punches. Watch any highlight reels of Lomachenko, most of it will be him raining punches on an opponent desperately trying to cover up with a high guard. Many of his opponents intimidated by his high output just put up a high guard. Ironically, the more you cover up the more Lomechenko will batter you, for his light punches obscures vision (which is already obscured when you put up an earmuff) and distracts kinesthetic senses, allowing him to set up his hard shots which most opponents had no idea where it would come.

Lomachenko cannot intimidate Rigondeaux with such a strategy. Rigondeaux does not use a high guard, in fact I rarely see him ever use any kind of guard. Such was his mastery of distance. Furthermore, I think a master boxer like Rigondeaux should be able to tell when Lomachenko is bluffing with his hands and when Lomachenko is really going to punch hard. So if Lomachenko bluffed too much or too obviously with his pitter-patter punches he would be countered to death by Rigondeaux.

Another reason why Lomachenko is so beloved is his fancy footwork. The hype surrounding it is making me sick. 'Is this the matrix fighter from the future' et cetera. Right now I feel it is hard to tell how much of his footwork is substance and how much is flash. If I am not mistaken Gary Roach is somewhat of a critic of Lomachenko's footwork, and personally sometimes I feel he moved more than necessary. Lomachenko does showboat occasionally and do some unnecessary moves, he should not showboat against Rigondeaux. The downside of Lomachenko's angles and pivots is that if Rigondeaux sees them coming, Rigondeaux can time them and nail Lomachenko. I cannot think of a better time to nail Lomachenko than that, if Loamachenko got hit with a hard shot mid-pivot he can be knocked down.

For all the differences in their usual strategies they have one stunning similarity: absolute confidence in one's own ability and absolute disdain for their opponents'. Rigondeaux does this by fighting down to his opponent's level, doing the barest minimum to cruise to a decision he is 100% certain he will win. Lomachenko does this with his showboating, which puts him at unnecessary risk.

Ultimately, both fighters have such distinct styles because they are fighting against inferior boxers and almost all these boxers are orthodox fighters.

Long story short, expect the fight to start conventionally and both fighters to fight more conventionally for their usual styles or strategies will not be effective against each other. Southpaw-southpaw match-ups are basically orthodox-orthodox match-ups in mirror image, so that means a battle of right jabs at the beginning. Both fighters are counter-punchers at heart, so whoever can bait the other to lead will have the upper hand.

I suppose one strategy that might work against Lomachenko is to run.

Uninformed casual fans call Rigondeaux a 'runner' but a runner he is not. Rigondeaux is extremely economical with his movements, he mostly takes small steps forward or backward or occasionally make pivots around his left foot.

If Rigondeaux really starts back-pedaling and move laterally with his back on the ropes he could give Lomachenko fits. Every boxing prospect or titlist looks awesome until the fans realise he cannot cut off the ring. Erislandy Lara gave Canelo fits simply because Canelo has no idea how to cut off Lara. As far as I am aware of in Lomachenko's short career so far his ring-cutting ability has not been really tested.

Of course, it is unlikely for Rigondeaux to break character and starts running, as Rigondeaux is a man of absolute integrity in his approach to boxing; he never breaks character. But if Floyd Mayweather could break character and fight Conor like a Mexican, why not Rigondeaux?

As to what strategies they will actually employ against each other, I have no idea. No doubt, this fight will involve a lot of feints. Feints are keys to finding out an opponent's habits and from there they can devise their own game plan. Just very generally speaking, which I think applies to just about every fight, whoever trained more appropriately and was smarter in the ring will come out of winner.

However, even if Rigondeaux proves to be the superior boxer he might still be overpowered by Lomachenko.

The Cuban is going up two weight classes, while he clearly bulked up physically whether his power and stamina carries up is another question. In recent memory, Juan Manuel Marquez fared disastrously when he climbed to meet Floyd Mayweather. We are far removed from the days of Harry Greb whipping opponents who outweighed him by like 20 pounds. If Rigondeaux cannot make Lomachenko respect his power, he is going to be in deep trouble. Rigondeaux is also pushing 40, and he is a smoker, plus he is climbing 2 weight classes, if he starts having stamina issues or starts slowing down he is a sitting duck.

Furthermore, there is that Bob Arum factor. The saying goes 'WBO' stands for 'Whatever Bob Orders'. If Arum somehow found a way to mess up Pacquiao-Horn scorecards as some boxing fans seem to believe, then Arum can potentially mess with the scoring of this fight too. My pessimistic gut feeling is that, if the fight does to a decision and if Rigondeaux does not dominate Lomachenko in a Donaire-esque performance then Rigondeaux will be badly screwed on the scorecards.

Which goes back to why I said Lomachenko is favoured to win.

However, I desperately want Rigondeaux to win this one. The man is an absolute maestro, the finest boxer to grace the pro scene since Floyd Mayweather. He left his entire life behind in Cuba just to pursue a career in the world of pro-boxing, and yet pro-boxing f***s him over. He put on a masterful performance against Nonito Donaire, only for be dismissed and insulted by reporters and his former promoter Bob Arum. They called him 'boring' and 'a pain in the ass to deal with' blah blah blah. Absolutely disgusting, reporters are supposed to understand the intricacies of boxing! How can watching a master ply his craft be boring? A promoter is supposed to promote his fighters! Arum's comments and actions against Rigondeaux are utterly disgraceful. Then there is all the ducking shenanigans, the Featherweight division is full of cowards who wanted no part of Rigondeaux.

On the other hand, I want to like Lomachenko but I am having a hard time liking him. The morbid marketing hype surrounding him and his fans who eat up the marketing wholesale is putting me off. He is not the greatest fighter since Muhammad Ali, he is not the next Pernell Whitaker, he is not a revolutionary fighter from the future. Dude only has 10 pro-fights under his belt, sure he is a two-divison world champion but titles come more easily in this era of alphabet soups, please stop comparing his greatness to all-time greats in the past when his career is still in its infancy. Lomachenko does have some interesting footwork, but cutting angles is nothing new under the sun, Orlando Canizales was doing it way before it was cool and I am sure there are even older fighters I do not know who can cut angles too.

If Rigondeaux beat Lomachenko, despite all the disadvantages, I would consider Rigondeaux Pound-for-Pound number one. If Lomachenko beats Rigondeaux, I would say good job he finally had a good name on his career.

I am really just ranting now, so I'll stop here.

Tl;dr-Both fighters fight conventionally, a good tactical battle, Lomachenko likely to win.

Champion58's picture

I think Rigondeaux will edge this one, beat Lomachenko with his movement, he's a clever chap is Rigondeaux. I think Rigondeaux, 8-4, something like that, Lomachenko to do a little bit better in the second half, but not enough.

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Although it wouldn't matter to me who won, I am pulling for Rigondeaux. It just feels like Loma isn't facing the same adversity that Rigo is (8 yrs older, physically smaller, moving up in weight).

Champion97's picture

Outstanding performance from Vasyl Lomachenko, he's a better boxer than I thought!
Very sad for Rigondeaux, but to have afforded the disadvantages in weight, age, he would have had to have been much, much better than Lomachenko, he didn't have the work rate, he couldn't his reach, and Lomachenko dominated that fight, he took him to pieces, and it was a master class from the Ukranian.

albertocastany's picture

Not surprised by the outcome. Loma just had to impose his bigger size against Rigo in close quarters. Although I thought Rigo would make it harder for Loma to change angles, Loma just walked him down and neglected Rigo's reach.
Everything was against Rigo in this fight. It might look good in paper, but don't think it's a great win for Loma. Just a win.

Champion97's picture

'Just a win'?!

what_is_the_default_password's picture

Yea, 'Just a win'. I think this win would have been more credible if Lomachenko fought Rigondeaux a few years earlier at Featherweight. Rigondeaux has no business at Super Featherweight.

Champion97's picture

Yeah but it's not just a win is it?, Rigondeaux is Rigondeaux! One of the most avoided fighters on the planet, to beat him, this is Lomachenko's best win by far, I mean, yeah I know about the weight, and age advantage, but still, it is a great victory, and to box like that, break down a guy like Rigondeaux with the jab, early, and to negate his reach advantage, phenomenal!

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I concede this is probably the best win in Lomachenko's career thus far, but if Lomachenko is going to be an all-time great like some fanboys are seemingly claiming him to be this cannot be Lomachenko's career-defining fight. I am just really bummed out by this fight, which I see it as the culmination of misfortune in Guillermo Rigondeaux's troubled pro-career.

Champion97's picture

No it's one of them, ultimately, if there is any of this now, then he can't win, because a win doesn't get more impressive than that, it was a masterclass! Yes there wss the age, weight, but still, Lomachenko boxed the guy's head off, he didn't let the reach play a part, I think this is a career defining victory.
Yeah it was disappointing.

Gold's picture

I think over time this may be remembered in a similar light to Trinidad giving Whitaker the first legitimate loss in his career (i.e. not as an all-time great level win) where older, smaller master boxers lost to a younger rising star and didn't look like they did in their primes. Really a shame for Rigondeaux and his career. Lomachenko proved he is a great and complete boxer but there will always be the question surrounding this win of what would have happened if they fought at Featherweight years earlier. If he wants to fight again at Super Featherweight for another fight hopefully its versus Berchelt as Salido is retired and seems totally shot. Lomachenko vs. any of the three belt holders at Lightweight would be really great if he chooses to move up.

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An apt comparison to Trinidad-Whitaker. I think Rigondeux kind of just aged overnight, it had happened to others before and it can happen to Rigondeaux. For all we know the Cuban is probably forty-something instead of being 37 years old, that is uncharted territory for these lower weight classes.

I honestly don't think Rigondeaux's inability to adapt to Lomachenko had anything to do with Rigondeaux's lack of ring IQ as some online 'analyst' have suggested, one simply does not win two Olympic gold medals without ring IQ. I suspect Rigondeaux's disappointing performance is more of a psychological issue: Lomachenko broke his ego. Rigondeaux has already experienced a lot of psychologically-troubling things given his origins as a Cuban exile, and the ring was his sanctuary; Lomachenko pissed on his sanctuary and Rigondeaux simply could not take it anymore...I think this fight was simply the straw that broke the camel's back, Rigondeaux got fed up with all sorts of road-blocks that kept piling up on him and he just quit (literally on his stool).

I really despise the keyboard warriors who mock Rigondeaux for retiring on his stool. They call Rigondeaux a coward, they called him a coward at the comfort of their homes having never experienced the kind of hardships Rigondeaux went through in life.

albertocastany's picture

Lomachenk post fight interview:
"He is a Good Fighter. He is a Top Fighter. He is the King in boxing. But he is king in boxing in his weight category. It's not his size, it's not his weight. So It's not a big win for me".

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Lomachenko summed up succinctly.

Poor Rigondeaux, his prime years are burned away fighting bum after bum because credible contenders would not fight him. I have a feeling we will never see Rigondeaux at his best in the pro-ranks, his Donaire performance a few years back is probably the closest we will ever get.

I have no idea what is going to happen to his career now, I think the alphabet soups will strip him now that he lost so Rigondeaux will not even have a base at Super Batamweight to go back to. The only reason why most Super Batamweights were willing to step into the ring with Rigondeaux was due to those belts, without his belts Rigondeuax is not a marketable fighter anyway he would become a worthless commodity in the business of pro-boxing. Who the hell at Super Batamweight or Featherweight is going to give Rigondeaux a title shot? I fear Rigondeaux career may have ended right there when he failed to come out in the 7th round.

Props to Lomachenko for being honest about the nature of this fight. It is really sad for me to see a faded, aging and maligned ring artist being dragged up two weight classes just to be fed to the boxing media's latest darling boy.

Champion97's picture

Haha, Lomachenko, like most, is negative regarding himself, it shouldn't have ben a question, it is obvious that this is a grear win!

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I gave Nicholas Walters so much criticism, for quitting against a guy who wasn't beating him up, just giving him a boxing lesson. Lomachenko was winning that fight, he wasn't giving him a boxing lesson, he was just better than Rigondeaux, and if Rigondeaux quit because of that, that is absolutely disgusting, and I wouldn't normally say this about any professional, but he doesn't deserve his purse, if he's quit because of that, because he was losing, feeling sorry for himself, because people have paid to watch this fight, two masters of their trade fighting. I can't believe I'm criticising a genius like Rigondeaux, it's almost embarrassing, but, it is an insult, to every honest professional fighter, and fan, to be honest, to see a guy like this with all this ability and skill, quit, because he was getting outboxed, if that's what happened, and out fought, by a better fighter.

I can't swallow that that was about the hand, I think he was feeling sorry for himself. If it is his hand, I apologise for that comment, but even then, I'm not even sure if it's a valid excuse, in a fight of this magnitude, the biggest fight of your life.

I don't see when in the fight he hurt his hand, that's the left hand which he wasn't using. I thought Rigondeaux was feelibg sorry for himself, and I thought he was going to get himself disqualified, and I had a horrible feeling in my head he was going to get himself disqualified, because, he was losing everything, and now there's an exucse for why he lost, he'll want a rematch, but it'll never happen, he's ruined his career, he'd have been better off, just getting beaten, being beaten fair and square.

Just like Walters, Rigondeaux wasn't getting beaten up, but he was getting frustrated and outboxed, but Rigondeaux wasn't really getting schooled.

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So what would you prefer to see? A master like Rigondeaux getting humiliated for six more rounds, possibly accumulating brain damage along the way, just so you can get your dollar's worth? Even if Rigondeaux was not getting 'beaten up', every punch landed goes a long way in setting up brain injury down the road in retirement. Or would you prefer Rigondeaux opening himself up trying to slug with Lomachenko (lol) and get knocked out concussively?

Yes, there are many fighters who displayed more heart than Rigondeaux or Walters. There were fighters who fought with a broken jaw, torn biceps and all sorts of agonizing injuries. However, as fight fans we should not see it as our right to see fighters continuing taking risks and damage just to entertain us when they are badly losing a fight, it is a privilege. The distinction between a right and a privilege should be obvious, I firmly believe fighters reserve the right to decide when to go easy on themselves.

Therefore, while I find Rigondeaux's decision to retire disappointing, I strongly condemn anyone who flippantly taunt and mock his corner retirement. Such taunts and mockeries carries a self-righteous attitude whereby they expect Rigondeaux to continue to take damage and humiliation just for their entertainment simply because they 'paid' (I am quite sure most of us actually watched it for free).

Only Rigondeaux will know why he quit. For the rest of us we can only speculate. Perhaps he really injured his hand when he appeared to land a punch on Lomachenko's elbow, or perhaps the hand injury is just an excuse. Maybe he really felt sorry for himself, maybe he was simply fed up with pro-boxing. If that is indeed the case, then I can sympathize with him. The business of pro-boxing mistreated him, paying fight fans are generally uninterested in his craft, and by the time this cruel world of pro-boxing decides to give him the spotlight again it was against the cocky but ultra-skilled media darling who has all the odds stacked in his favour. Why should Rigondeaux do the pro-boxing business a favour by playing the court jester with king Lomachenko when the business never played Rigondeaux any favour?

Regarding your comment about Rigondeaux's career in ruins, truth be told his career has always been in a state of limbo for about as far as I can remember, the poor man was never given a chance to really build a career. If nothing was really built, what could be ruined?

You said "he'd have been better off, just getting beaten, being beaten fair and square."

Here's my opinion, Rigondeaux's retirement is just as clear as any decision can indicate about Lomachenko's superiority. I will tell you what I prefer, Rigondeaux retiring with his wits intact instead of being humiliated and hurt by Lomachenko for six more rounds, just so that a few months down the road fight fans can make gifs and memes about the great Lomachenko making a fool out of Rigondeaux. In fact, these six rounds are already sufficient fodder for highlight reels and stuff, you want another six rounds of the same thing? Rigondeaux knew he was not figuring out Lomacheko anytime soon, or else he would not have quit.

You are certainly within your rights to be disappointed with Rigondeaux's performance. However, to suggest Rigondeaux was insulting other fighters or undeserving of his pay is really crossing the line.

Champion97's picture

You're a good guy mate! Good that some fans actually care for the well being of fighters! In my opinion, the disgreement there, is that BNS12, was saying that Rigondeaux quit because he wasn't fighting to keep his strong desire, he should have gone out there, kept up his defence, physical effort, everything, just tried until there was no more chance. I remember when I started boxing, you know what the poster just behind the ring said, 'it ain't over til it's over'.

I agree to an extent, but Rigondeaux is a master of his trade, as an amateur, his record, 463-12, it was the fight of his life, should he have decided to, as you say, go easy on himself after 6 rounds of a 12 round fight, in such a meaningful bout?

The people who mock, they're the same nasty bullies who force kids to fight at school, mentally, emotionally scare their victims for life, the same people who hide behind their screens throughout their lives. BNS12 wasn't taunting or mocking, just criticising, just expressing disappointment, they found nothing about it funny I can tell you that.

He quit because he lost belief he could win. There is no way it was about the hand, there wasn't even a fracture, it was just a bruise, let's just think about this for a second, through all thise amateur competitions, 20 professional fights, at 37, bad he never fought, battled through to the end with a bad hand before? Nobody made him go to 130, and I think when it is a question of quit or continue, it isn't about politics.

Yeah, only now, the questions have been answered, he's on the wrong side of 35, it may have been in limbo, now it's in a worse state than that. There were always some who believed he would have made the absolute most of opportunity against a Lomachenko, he could have changed his career in one night, what is really sad is that had he gone 12, he would be prasied for moving up 8 pounds, showing grit, seeing it out until the end, but he didn't do that, he'll be remembered as the guy who quit.

Oh yeah no that's a very valid point, he wasn't mentally fit for it anymore, but he shouldn't have let himself get in that position, is my point to counter what you're saying. I just thinkm that if Canelo can stay in there against Mayweather, try his absolute best, not be disheartened to the point he quits, and with the beating Smith took against Ward in 2015, toughing it out until his trainer had to throw the towell in, you really think the same shouldn't have been expected from Rigondeaux? Again a good point, but the idea is that fighters should respect that people have paid to watch, they have to remember the sacrifices they've made in preparation for the fight, and fight until they have got no fight left, that's what fighters do.

Tank Abbott's picture

No points for loma here. If loma went up 2 weight classes to fight crawford, people would be crying rivers when he got ko'd, yet it happens here and everything's supposed to be ok? Also, I watched the fight live and those commentators blew lomachenko the whole fight. They literally stated that fighting dirty made him a more complete fighter (in reference to leaning down of rigos head to get rigo to stop holding and loma losing to salido because salido smashed his groin). I know rigos no saint valentine (the nonsense with flores, hitting yotjan when they touched gloves, questionable holding tactics) but I never saw any of his usual stuff, all I saw was loma puching down on the back of rigos head and rabbit punching. I understand rigo is semi turned away from his opponent and likes to get low, but he never did anything illegal. Loma did. Those are the facts here. I liked loma, up until this point, but this was disgraceful. It reminds me of Wilder beating up that 180lb mentally handicapped guy, it's something that just cannot be excused. No matter what he does from here on out, this will forever be a blemish on him.

Champion97's picture

You don't like Lomachenko much do you?, I understand, people get carried away with the hype, it's annoying, just ignore the general Internet, but my advice is to give all these top fighters credit for their wins.

Tank Abbott's picture

Like I said, I liked him until people started doing the "pretty boy floyd" or "prime tyson" thing where they just invaded everything and all you saw from most boxing channels (despite the fact that I don't watch the larger casual channels, youtube still recommends me everything they create) was "LOMACHENKO DOES DA MATWIX?!?!?!??!??". I haven't run into a video about defensive boxing, speed, or footwork that wasn't flooded with comments about him. That's not why I posted this though... This just wasn't a win that deserves a 5 star rank. I'll give credit where it's due. Salido doesn't deserve credit for beating loma and, when loma does something almost identical, the same goes for loma. I could understand getting even after someone hits you low or headbutts and the ref won't do anything about it, but loma drew first blood here, and then he did it again, and then again.

Champion97's picture

I understand, but again, you are taking your frustration out when you give your opinion on Lomachenko as a fighter, now, YouTube will never change, in the boxing world, it is no place for knowledge, I'm not talking about Behind The Gloves, IFL, EsNews, SecondsOut, because obviously, that's worth watching because it is inside insight from the people who are famous boxers, people who know what they are talking about, but outside of that, maybe a guy called Dwyer is the exception, but people do not know boxing, they are there to mess around, Shady Slim stands out for his ridiculousness, but anyway, I've seen those stupid videos, people who need to grow up and get jobs, don't give these guys any attention, just stick to watching boxing fights and getting the opinions of boxers, trainers, and the fans on here.

Ultimately, this is fighting, and in fighting, be smart, if you choose to play dirty, play dirty, pushing, shoving, hitting low, if you think the referee doesn't keep the fight fair, that's not Lomachenko's problem, and for what it is worth, I think it was Rigondeaux who was the guilty party, and with all due respect, because of the ridiculous hype, which frustrates you, you don't want to give Lomachenko credit, you want to give him criticism, you are not neutral, and when you are looking for a reason to slate a fighter, you'll find your reasons.

Let's set this out.
There are wins fighters pull out, which are outstanding, there are wins fighters pull out, which are significant, very good, decent wins, then you go into the negatives, like when a fighter does less than expected, but of the 3, I don't know about you, but if Lomachenko had just beaten a Rigondeaux who wasn't disadvantaged the way he was, I would call that the first of those three, but yes, Rigondeaux, naturally too small, and old, therefore, it was the second of those things, that's the difference, but, when a guy fights an opponent with the skill of Rigondeaux, who has prepared well, not coming off a layoff, and you dominate him like that, win absolutely everything from first bell to last, show the intelligence and ring craft to get him into trouble, fight dirty to a degree, but box like that, and make the guy lose all hope of winning and therefore, quit, you have to be impressed by that, we all knew how old Rigondeaux was before the fight, we all knew about the weight, very few of us predicted that, but we expected Rigondeaux to be better?, no, he wasn't good, because Lomachenko made him look bad.

For what it is worth, I do agree that this is not a phenomenal victory that stands out as a great achievement, because he was fighting a guy who came up from 122, who was very old, but to exclude it from that group is all the discredit Lomachenko deserves, there was certainly nothing unimpressive about the performance.

Gold's picture

I definitely don't agree that this was disgraceful for Lomachenko. I thought the weight and age would be a bridge too far for Rigondeaux but this was a fight that the fans and fighters were calling for and it was a fight that could actually be made. To be fair, Rigondeaux was consistently bending below Lomachenko's waist, which is illegal in at least some rule sets because it gives nowhere to hit except for the back of the head.

Tank Abbott's picture

I already knew about that rule, but I'm pretty sure that only applies when the whole head dips below the beltline and rigo was like chin level with it throughout, from what I saw (in exception to when loma leaned on him, which is, of course, also illegal). If this rule does actually apply to anything above your neck then it is the only rule less enforced than the "no hitting behind the ear" rule in mma. See these fans that wanted this fight to happen are the same people who say Floyd dodged ggg and wanted to see that fight. The same fans that want to see fights like Prime mike tyson vs butterbean instead of the technical heavyweight masterclass of eric young vs chris byrd, because who the fuck are those two (maybe a handfull of them will remember young from the ali fight, but that's it)? They don't care for the sport, they just want to see two guys they've been told are impressive put on an exciting fight disregarding technical skill. These are the same people, who got talked into seats by pro wrestlers, back in the 80s. The same people who pay to see someone like ray leonard come back at 60+ just because he's a name. This fight should've never happened, at least not like this.

Gold's picture

I don't know the detail of the rule so you may very well be right, just that it is considered illegal to duck below the waistline. Yeah, I agree, it is on that level of being unenforced. It is not that I mind that it is an unenforced rule, just that if someone is ducking that low they will inevitably get rabbit punched and leaned on. This was the best fight that could be made for Rigondeaux, who again wanted the fight because everyone was scared of him as a low reward, high risk opponent in and around his weight class. In addition, it was likely the best fight that could be made for Lomachenko as well. It was nowhere near Floyd versus Golovkin levels of a mismatch if that is what is being implied. The size and weight difference is nowhere near that large, Loma vs. Rigo had a notable size difference but was not even comparable to a natural Super Featherweight versus a natural Middleweight. People wanted to see this fight specifically because of the technical skill of these guys which was the main selling point of this fight to the public, not because they wanted to see an exciting brawl. We were sold that the fight would be the two best amateur boxers of all time with incredible skill having a tactical chess match. If you dislike this fight that much, what fight would you have rather seen for Lomachenko that could have actually happened?

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I wasn't trying to imply that it was that level of a mismatch, I'm just stating it has that kind of disregard for the actual sport of things. You kinda stated what I was trying to say, when you said, "*We were sold that* the fight would be the two best amateur boxers of all time with incredible skill, having a tactical chess match". The same way people were sold a war between joey gamache and arturo gatti. Everyone got a technical chess match between loma and rigo...the same kind of chess match you'd get between the deep blue machine and Dr. Alexander Matos. Everyone got a war between Gatti and Gamache...the same kind of war that would occur between the U.S. and Mexico. I try not to pay attention to politics in boxing so I don't know if there is a reason that Lomachenko, Miguel Berchelt and Miguel roman won't touch each other, but unless he can get those arranged I'm saying he needs to just leave this dead division. He's p4p number 3 with only 10 wins he needs to start acting like it. Either move up to lightweight and start getting used to the weight there, with a few smaller fights, or go back down to featherweight, where there are actual contenders. I mean, out of the top 10 guys I see at featherweight, Loma only fought one of them (Gary Russels and Russles improved since then). Scott Quigg vs Oscar Valdez, Lee Selby vs Josh Warrington, and Leo Santa Cruz vs Abner Mares are all huge fights for the division that are going to seperate the wheat from the chaff. There will be 3 or 4 guys left, after these fights, that will make optimal opposition for loma. He could've been fighting these guys the whole time, but he moved up to super featherweight just to fight 2 good fights (walters and sosa). It also would've made the rigo fight less of a stretch and more credible. He has already said lightweight is a matter of when not if and I don't remember him saying making featherweight was an issue. Either would be better than where he is right now.

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There were some experts who though Rigondeaux would win and there was not the level of mismatch that we saw with the Gatti scale trick. However, I can see what you are saying though and I can agree to an extent that the weight and age were significant factors. I just don't think it's fair to use the fight as a negative for Lomachenko when he took the fight people wanted him to take. I don't agree that Roman would be a worthwhile fight at all, I am not a Lomachenko homer but he would absolutely work Roman. Berchelt would be a good fight especially given it would be a unification and relatively possible between Top Rank and Golden Boy, but I don't think without hindsight that Berchelt would be a better opponent. Some of those guys you listed at Featherweight weren't available for him when he was at Featherweight because they weren't at the level they are at now, like Valdez, or weren't at the weight, like Santa Cruz. I definitely don't think he will go back down to Featherweight, there isn't enough there for him considering promotional conflicts with guys you'd want to see him against like Santa Cruz. Like you I just don't want to see him wasting time making Chris Eubank Jr. style highlights versus overmatched opponents like Sosa or prospective overmatched opponents like Beltran. It seems we may get our wish of him having better quality bouts if the Linares fight happens for Lomachenko. That would be a great challenge for him moving up in weight versus a top Lightweight champion.