James Toney vs. Montell Griffin I

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James Toney vs. Montell Griffin I
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Date: 
Saturday, February 18, 1995
Location: 
Las Vegas, NV
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Referee: 
Joe Cortez

Official Judging
Duane Ford 114 - 114
Bill Graham 113 - 115
Art Lurie 112 - 116

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round 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
James Toney
                                                                    
9
9.25
10
9.75
9.75
9.75
9
10
9.75
10
9.75
9.75
Montell Griffin
                                                                    
10
9.75
8.75
9.25
9.50
9.25
10
9
9.25
9
9.25
9.25


Fan Cards: James Toney vs. Montell Griffin I


scorecard by WHAT_IS_THE_DEFAULT_PASSWORD
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JAMES TONEY
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
9
116
MONTELL GRIFFIN
10
9
9
9
10
9
10
9
10
9
9
10
113


scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JAMES TONEY
9
9
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
9
10
115
MONTELL GRIFFIN
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
10
9
113


scorecard by RORSCHACH
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JAMES TONEY
9
9
10
10
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
116
MONTELL GRIFFIN
10
10
8
9
10
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
111


scorecard by TALESFROMTHECRYPT
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
JAMES TONEY
9
9
10
9
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
116
MONTELL GRIFFIN
10
10
9
10
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
112


Comments

rorschach's picture

Toney was jobbed imo.

what_is_the_default_password's picture

Maybe this entry should be deleted? There's another page of this exact same fight but with the fight poster http://eyeonthering.com/boxing/ready-or-not-james-toney-vs-montell-griff...

That other page has all the scorecards posted here and more. There is no reason for this page to exist at all.

Champion97's picture

Good eye, but I'm sure you can agree, that there are worse things in the world, and two pages of the same fight, it's not really a problem, is it?

what_is_the_default_password's picture

I personally do not mind, but I suspect some other users and potential users will.

what_is_the_default_password's picture

"An insult to a great night."
-George Foreman, when asked about the decision after it was announced.

This was quite a good fight, Griffin had his moments but the match was not a close one. Ultimately Toney won more of their exchanges and he should have been given the decision.

Robbery aside, the fight was intriguing for stylistic reasons. Both Toney and Griffin fought out of their classic shells (now dubbed 'Philly Shell' thanks to a video game and achieved immortal infamy as Floyd Mayweather Jr used a similar-looking shell defense), and both fought out of an old-school crouch with their heads off the centre lines. As a result, the whole fight revolves around cracking the holes in their respective shells.

Toney was larger, arguably stronger, hits harder and was more experienced. Griffin appears to had a slight advantage in speed.

I liked what I saw with Griffin. He was active at taking angles and using his left hooks, both of which are a must against shoulder roll users. Roy Jones Jr cracked Toney's shell by constantly hopping to a different angle where Toney's body was exposed, while Emmanuel Augustus managed to make Mayweather abandon his 'philly shell' by spamming left hooks. By active, I meant Griffin at times lead with left hooks (instead of jabs) and occasionally Griffin deftly spun himself to a different angle while in the clinch with Toney. Sometimes Griffin would stick out his hands after punching to either stiff arm Toney or use Toney as a physical leverage to move to a new location in the ring.

Toney was slower, so he was not able to do what Griffin did to him. However, Toney quickly adjusted when he realised while Griffin could slip and roll away from headshots well Griffin was not as effective at defending body shots with his shell. Furthermore, Griffin's inside game with his shell was not as refined as Toney's (Toney's inside-game was a thing of beauty, with none of the elbow shenanigans Mayweather was infamous for). Therefore Toney targeted Griffin's body to wear him down (an unusual tactic as Toney was the larger guy), and suckered Griffin into fighting on the inside when Griffin should be doing hit-and-run.

Toney's display of superior inside game convinced me he won the fight. Unfortunately I suppose the subtle things that made inside-fighting a beautiful and lost art completely went over the head of three judges.

Griffin impressed, but Toney made the impression with his ring generalship and inside-game. In the grand scheme of things though, this fight is just another robbery in boxing's long history of highly questionable decisions, and it is hardly the worst one.

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