Erislandy Lara vs Terrell Gausha Scorecard by Champion97


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TERRELL GAUSHA
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How was the fight night? I saw the ko of Lubin, still need to see the Trout fight.

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Great! Best I've seen in a while, apart from Gennady Golovkin vs Saul Alvarez of course, I think it might have been second best to Brook vs Spence. Man, what a great bill, a fascinating, but entertaining gritty war between Jarrett Hurd and Austin Trout, then Jermell Charlo showing a bully what's what, and then Lara just putting up a master class display of boxing skill and ring intelligence.

That was an awesome shot that was, only a certain sort of fighter can land a shit like that, I think Lubin and his team's behaviour was appalling, they threw a chair at Jermall, and they might have thrown something else, because Derrick James got hit as well, had a lump on his head, really not good to see that.

I only got to see the Charlo knockout. I can't believe it happened so quick. I still want to see the other fights. So far my favorite nights of boxing were the Joshua fight, and GGG Canelo. I know Hurd got the stoppage on Trout which is very impressive. I heard Laras fight was disappointing, but I think I'll like it because I'm a fan.

I heard about the chair incident but what all happened in the build up? I didn't really pay attention to it much. But not good behavior by Lubins team.

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It was just a top class knockout, Lubin didn't see the shot, it just rattled his senses. Yeah that was another classic, it was the best I think in terms of fan entertainment and popularity, but for me, I just loved to Spence beat Brook!, Groves win his world title!!, and I didn't mind seeing Lenroy Thomas beat Dave Allen. Yeah he did great, Hurd, but Trout, I mean, what a warrior, and what a fighter, Hurd said he was really impressed, he didn't think Trout could stand and trade, last in deep waters like that. That's it, you'd like the fight, casuals won't.

Just a load of disrespect, belittled what he had already achieved, implied he was a fake champion, just a lot of bullying, and Charlo was quiet until the weigh in, and then, when in the ring, boom, goodnight Mr Lubin. They knew they were going to win, and Derrick James wore a T-shirt which said, "keep runnin ya mouth".

It looked great. It seemed like it a shot he didn't see coming and those are the worst. I liked seeing Spence win a world title, but I did feel for Brook with the eye injury. I would say the Joshua fight and Ward getting the stoppage over Kovalev were my 2 favorite moments. I still want to see Thomas vs Allen but can't find the full fight. I can't wait to see the other 2 fights. And I appreciate all styles of boxing, there can't be just one style of fights every single fight. There are some fighters who are boring but in my opinion Lara isn't one of them.

Ok, I get what you mean. I didn't really expect that from Lubin, I thought he was just a quiet guy. I saw the shirt, I might get one.

Joshua vs Pulev is in jeporday. You hear about that?

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Yeah, hats off to Charlo for landing that shot!, what a fighter! Yeah well that was unfortunate, but life goes on, I didn't feel sorry for him, he talked a lot of crap before the fight, and so did his mouthy trainer, and Spence and James, the were the guys who had the last laugh, Brook did good for 5 or 6 rounds, but once Spence hard work began to show, Brook got whooped, sad, yes, but I don't like bullies, I would have been gutted about Walsh vs Davis before I became a fan of Davis, because that was very sad for Walsh. Yeah two great times of the year for boxing. It was nothing special, the highlight was Allen realising he had lost, and Thomas realising he had been given the win by the judges. Yeah man that's great. No, well fighters who are boring are fighters who have reason to push a fight, and they let it slip, for example, Malik Scott, Willie Munroe Jr, he let himself down when he fought Billy Joe Saunders, but Lara, boring? Not at all, he is just a negative fighter, and Rigondeaux, well, his fights have been dull in the past, and he hasn't gone the extra mile to change that, but most of the reason is because he hasn't been challenged.

Haha, I didn't know they were for sale, man, I'd get one too, tough to order them outside of America.

No! Why? Blow for Joshua that.

I thought the fight would play to experience. Lubin looked like he wasn't protecting himself when he was in close, I think if there was a more experienced fighter in there they would've prevented. Now that the fight ended quicker then we thought, is Lubin as good as they say he is or is he overrater, or too soon? That's when a fight is boring when someone has the opportunity to push a fight but doesn't. I think Rigondeaux being underchallenged has made his fights boring.

He's selling them on his website I think. I've been trying to get an Anthony Joshua shirt but can't find one in America.

Shoulder injury by Pulev, Pulev wants to continue but the board won't let it since it's serious and might get called off. Now here's the tough part who is Joshua's replacement? Whyte is fighting, Ortiz can't fight, Wilder got a fight, Miller has a fight.

Takam is the replacement. Not a bad one at all.

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No not at all, a bit old, and he is coming off a long layoff, 16 months I think, but still, could have been a lot worse.

His last fight was in june I think. How do you see this going?

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Oh yeah he has had 2 fights since the Parker fight, no real decent opponents, but no bums, winning records, he won in 2 rounds and 4 rounds.

In terms of duration and dominance from Joshua, not too differently to how the Pulev fight would've gone, but Carlos Takam is not similar to Kubrat Pulev, maybe, he might be just slightly better, maybe, but no I think it will be interesting, because Joshua has been preparing for an awkward, negative boxer, who likes to make it messy on the inside, has a fantastic ability to land single punch counters, especially that railroad jab, who has a granite chin, and now he has to prepare for a superfit athlete, who hits really hard, lands with precision, speed, fast feet, good pressure fighter, I don't think he is as resistant to 1 punch as Pulev is, but I think he might handle the accumulation from Joshua better than Pulev would have done, I don't think he's as awkward, I don't think he has as good a jab, but he can counter punch himself, he hits harder I think, although he is 2-3 inches shorter than Pulev. I think Pulev and Takam are similar in terms of simply how good they are at what they do, so I don't think Joseph up is going to be outright more under challenged, nor more outright over challenged than he would have been had the Pulev injury not occured. How do you see it going?

True, but he is still active I guess.

I think this will be a fight better then expected. I would say it's a pretty solid replacement, because it is someone who is tough and awkward. I think Joshua will do better then Parker against Takam. I would agree on you about Takam being better at taking Joshua's punches better then Pulev. I see it being a one sided fight till it gets stopped, I say around round 10.

Saunders vs Lemieux is reportedly on.

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Yeah, I wasn't saying he had been seriously inactive, he isn't the worst replacement opponent, not by a long way.

I think Pulev is a better counter puncher, he's taller, and I think he has more of awkward, unpredictable style which is harder to prepare for. Yeah I think so, I think Joshua is a level above really, bigger, stronger, faster as well, Parker is very good though. I'm not sure, he might stop him in 8-10 I think, I don't think it will be one sided throughout, but it might well be one sided overall.

Right, great, I guess Saunders will hang onto that belt, Lemieux is dangerous, he won't stink out the Arena like Willie Munroe Jr did, but he doesn't have anything but a punch, not at this level, let's be honest, if he doesn't smack BS, then scumbag will box his ears off, but man, if Lemieux could spark the dickhead, result! Sorry, haha, I just don't like Saunders, or anyone from that Ingle team, I don't think he is all that, and when he faces a Danny Jacobs, or a Jermall Charlo, isolating the 2 top dogs in the division, he will get the whooping he has coming!

Yeah, there could've been a way worse replacement. Takam is solid.

Pulev might have the better skills and Takam might be better physically. Also with this fight do you think it's fair to compare Joshua and Parker based off Takam. Also this was another fight that me and you talked about that would be good for Joshua and it's happening. Hopefully we see the Pulev fight soon, or someone else who is great in the division.

It seems to be official now. I think Saunders wins a decision. Lemieux will at least try in this fight to beat Saunders. I think he'll make it hard for Saunders, but Saunders will pull it off in the 116-112 to 117-111 range. I think that Charlo and Jacobs would beat Saunders. The thing with Saunders is that he's good but not great.

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I think we are all in agreement about that mate.

Yeah I think that might be the long and the tall of it. Yes and no, I think it is fair to compare the two, take it into account, but I don't think it is fair to compare to two without considering the circumstances, Takam shouldn't be used as a ruler, but at the same time, you can look at how well Parker boxed when he fought Takam, and think about the comparison considering everything, it is certainly fair for Takam to be asked after the fight who is better, because he'll know first hand, and he'll know what was his inability in himself, and what was just the other guy being too good. Yeah I haven't forgotten, 18 months ago, it would have been great, at this stage, on 2 weeks notice, it isn't as good, but that's just me being too exact, it is still a very good test for Joshua, this guy is the best opponent he'll have fought apart from Klitschko, I think he's got less flaws than Dillian Whyte, far, far better conditioned, more power as well, I don't think he's a level above Pulev, but not a level below either, they are just stylistically very different fighters. Yeah well hopefully the Wilder fight will happen next year. The Stiverne fight is a waste of time for Wilder, and a bad one, I don't think it is going 90 seconds, maybe not even 60, I'd be shocked if it went past 2 rounds, and Joshua should get some good rounds against Takam.

Could do, Saunders doesn't do the 12 rounds well, he always gasses after 10, so as long as Lemieux hasn't drained himself by swinging and missing, he should give Saunders 6 nasty minutes in the championship rounds. Yeah that's fair, and it is so annoying that he has that belt, there are at least 4 great middleweights out there, who should be champions, and aren't, they are all good guys, and Saunders is having a good laugh while be sits at home with the belt in cupboard, untouched, gathering dust. I wonder if Lemieux could catch Saunders early, would be great if he could, he is very strong, he should be able to make Saunders have to move, Saunders is no Golovkin, if Lemieux beats Saunders, then awesome!

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Yeah I agree, I wonder if he doesn't take so well on the chin too, we'll see in the future, but maybe he can't take really good shots. Good question, the million dollar question isn't it really regarding Erikson Lubin, and my answer, my estimation, is that it is too soon, I mean, 22, that's no age at this level, and he was facing a great fighter in Jermell Charlo, but there is the possibility that he isn't as good as people said he was, we will see. The Lomachenko fight won't be boring, not for us purists, that I promise you.

Cool. I'm sure you will be able to buy them in the US soon, I got a Mikey Garcia T-shirt for my birthday, they don't make those in the UK, but I'm sure they will sell AJ T-shirts in the US soon.

Dang. If it's serious then it shouldn't happen, shame for both. Andy Ruiz Jr?, but is he in shape? He isn't the most consistent fighter out there, and with 2 weeks to go, I don't think that would be a good replacement. Christian Hammer? Alexander Ustinov? These guys haven't lost many, both on winning streaks, but there isn't a lot of preparation time for them on 12 days notice, what kind of shape they in?, I wonder if the fight will be postponed, nothing the biggest bill ever, Katie Tailor's world title shot, that's a massive fight, but Buglioni vs Johnson, Allen vs Thomas II, not fights which could stop them pushing back the event, obviously, they could push it back far enough that Pulev has recovered, but just how had is the injury? And does Joshua have a goal to fight before 2018?, before December?, very understandable if he does, would the whole card get scratched?, and Joshua fights when Pulev wouldn't be healed, but an Ustinov, Ruiz, Povetkin! (another option) is prepared?, maybe in late November.

I think it depends more of how he does in the future. His title shot might of been to early. I think we'll see how good he can take shots in the future once he gains experience. I question where he will be at mentally after this fight, I mean he talked a big game and lost embarrassingly, that might be hard to come back from.

That's cool you got one. The boxing shirts I have are Andre Ward, Muhammad Ali, and Adrien Broner. I'm trying to add Joshua, Canelo and GGG. I also might want to start collecting fight posters to.

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It was too early, they just didn't realise how good Charlo was, they shouldn't have judged him based off a few bad rounds against Jackson, he got the stoppage, and he was coming on in that fight, I never thought he would lose, it is 12 round fight for goodness sake, idiots, I mean, against a legitimate world champion, 22, that's too young. Yeah, I mean, I see where you are coming from, you want to be respectful to fighters, assume they can take punches rather than they can't, it is a bold statement to say, "he can not take punishment", but in reality, not every boxer out there is resistant to punches, some fighters do lack a certain level of endurance, relatively speaking. Yeah it will be an uphill battle, I don't think throwing chairs at the opposing team after they whooped your ass is a good start though. Haha, how about Brook vs Lubin at 154, the battle of the big mouths who got punished by Derrick James's fighters, no but seriously, there are fights out there for him, it is a good division, but it is hard to suggest an opponent for his next fight, Willie Nelson maybe?.

Yeah cool, I've got a Floyd Mayweather T-shirt as well. Cool, my friend gave me a Mike Tyson autograph, I have some Lennox Lewis posters, a Wilder poster, a Poster of Maidana against Broner (maybe I shouldn't have told you that haha), I also have a coaster of Broner vs Garcia, which isn't something you can buy in the UK.

Man, Anthony Joshua is smart guy, he recently admitted that he would rather face Wilder in 2020, I don't think he believes he wouldn't win tomorrow, but I think he knows Wilder is far more of a threat than most people think, but you have to take your hat off to Joshua for being honest, but also, having the vigilance to understand which fighters he might want to stay clear from for the time being, he has said he wants to fight Parker, and talked that up as a great fight worldwide, he knew Klitschko wouldn't be easy, he knows Wilder won't be easy, he knows these fights were/will be a massive deal, I think with Fury, that was more for the British fans who love a grudge match, for the world to see, but that's a fight he knows he would win easily, so although he called out Fury, I don't think he himself would really talk highly of that match up, but rather just hope the fans enjoy the build up, and the fight, for what does happen entertainment wise in the ring, and I think it would be the same for Ortiz. If Joshua is one of these guys who knows when he'll win, knows when he won't, knows when it will be easy, knows when it will be hard, that's good news for hardcore fans like you, that is a quality Sugar Ray Leonard, Floyd Mayweather Jr had.

Exactly. I think his team rushed him into a title fight too quick. When you are rushed into a big fight too quick it doesn't go well. Like for Lomachenko if he would've got a title shot in his 3rd or 4th fight he probably could still be undefeated. Luckily for Lomachenko he has improved so much since then, we have still yet to see from Lubin. I think it would be an uphill battle for Lubin to. I thought the chair throwing incident was before the fight not after, but that is horrible sportsmanship. If I was Lubins promoter I would keep him away from Brook for a while, I think he would get stopped. Nelson isn't a bad opponent for Lubin, maybe tony Harrison, or diego chaves.

That's sweet. I want to get a Lewis fight poster, maybe the one vs Tyson and one against Holyfield. I'll try to get fighters like Joshua and Canelo or ggg to. And the poster of Maidana is fine by me I like him.

I saw that. As a fan I want to see it next year and I think he'll do the fight when he thinks he's ready. If he fights guys like Parker it's fine, but I hope he doesn't fight a Charles Martin esque fighter. I like the Fury fight to be honest, it's a good rivalry and I give Joshua a good shot of beating Fury in the future. The fury fight is huge. Tyson said he's coming back in april of 2018 and will take 3 fights that year with the end of the year being a big name. Hopefully it's Joshua. I think Joshua is a smart guy and knows what he's doing, I think being with a legend like Mayweather helps him a lot.

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I mean, I think their problem was, they thought Charlo wasn't a champion, just a man with a belt, like Charles Martin was, but Charlo is no fake champion, and it was a mistake for his team to underestimate him based on the Jackson fight. Yeah you're probably right, I don't want to follow Lubin or support him as a fighter for the time being, I'm not a fan, he has a long way to go yet before he earns the right to call himself a top 154 lb fighter.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could buy the poster of GGG vs Canelo, which we selected for the main fight page for the fight. And I'm sure you could get a Joshua vs Klitschko poster, there should be plenty of them around.

So do I, and it might still happen then, but people should bear in mind what Joshua said, and stop it with the Wilder disrespect. He knows Parker is underrated, knows that isn't an easy fight, but he might fight him next year, maybe later than that, but the point is, Joshua is the kind of fighter who does his research on his opponents before getting in the ring with them. Haha, don't worry about that, Joshua isn't fighting him again, or anyone that bad, I highly, highly doubt. I don't, but obviously, the majority will, I like it from an entertainment stand point, but what I'm saying is that when the fight isn't right, and one of them isn't in a fit state to be in the ring, which cares if it is a hypothetically entertaining fight? The rivalry would be much better than the fight, and I absolutely think Joshua beats Fury, it wouldn't go 6 rounds, and Joshua would not have a tough time. Really?, well 2 weeks ago, he said "boxing is not for me", he looks at least 45, he sounds like a 70 year old thug, he is not consistent when he trains, and he changes his mind every day, I mean, how the heck is he going to do that?, he needs to get his licence, he gave up a few weeks ago, the board take it seriously when a fighter is deemed 'medically unfit' to fight, I mean, you have to look at that, with all the substance abuse, the mental issues, let's not kid ourselves, this guy has had it. If that happened, I would post a video on YouTube, for people to see and laugh at, and I'd wear a cap saying Conor McGregor on it or something I would never want to do like that, my point is, that won't happen, I guarantee it. Absolutely! Joshua will have a very good idea as well, in 7 or 8 years, when he is past his prime and ought to hang up the gloves, he has never stood there, called everyone out on the spot, and said he could beat them all the next day, he said at one point, that he wasn't read for Klitschko, and he got it spot on, in terms of waiting long enough that he believed he would win, but also not too long that Klitschko couldn't challenge him anymore, he had a torrid time, I think was losing, dropped, took a beating, but he came back, won fair and square, that says it all. As well, I think Joshua doesn't talk about certain fights because he knows they would disappoint, the critics who said he was running scared from Ortiz, well they were way off the mark, he didn't talk about Ortiz because he didn't really see that as a worthwhile fight, he doesn't talk about Fury much nowadays, on a worldwide basis, he'll wait for Parker to get a more impressive win I think before he talks about that fight again, but the Wilder fight, he's set his sights on that, he is right to revise in his mind for that fight in advance, come prepared, Wilder should be his target. Something else as well, is that in 2020, as you know, I don't think Wilder should still be fighting, he certainly won't be in his prime anymore, I think Joshua will be, so it is smart for Joshua to try to maybe smoke out Wilder a bit, "but, but, I hate that why Joshua be a pussy he tooo scared to fihte Wildeer now, wat a pusssy,,,,,,,,,,,k,,,,,,,,,,," he'll get a lot of that when an analyst suggests that this is what he is doing, but as you know, idiots aside, Joshua has absolutely nothing to prove heart, courage wise, he's fighting the most dangerous boxer who has ever lived (arguably), if he is going you use his brains, make it so that he has an advantage, make it work for himself, remembering that boxing is a business, smart move, just like Canelo with GGG.

Ok I get you. They thought he was a paper champion and underestimated him. Thinking about do you think there are any paper champions currently out there? As for Lubin, I don't hate him I'm just not a huge fan of him, I always thought that this title shot was a little early for him.

I think I can find the posters somewhere. Honestly after he said that I'm not sure when we will see the fight. Me personally I hope it happens when they are both still undefeated, preferably next year or early 2019. We praise Joshua for his intellligence in and out the ring. He shows things that I see from Ward and Mayweather, I'm not saying he's as good as them but he does the same things as them. They are always trying to do better and do their research on opponents before a fight. I agree I don't think Joshua will fight a Charles Martin like opponent, worst case he might as a late replacement for a fight or something. I just like the idea of the Joshua fighting Fury. I like a good rivalry, it builds a lot of hype and gets people watching the fight. I think with Fury we have to see it to believe it honestly. If he has an official date to comeback then we should take it seriously, and we have to see him train consistently as well. If he's serious about coming back he should use the rest of the year to get back in shape. The mental issues and drug problems is an uphill battle for him to to get back in the ring. For me I don't think Joshua, like you said acts like he's a tough guy by trash talking others and saying they can beat everyone up. He knows when and how to do thinngs. Also when do you think is a good time for Joshua Wilder to happen? Because as you said in 2020 you don't think Wilder should be in a ring. I think Joshua will get the Canelo treatment when dealing with the Wilder fight, he will be asked about it non stop. People need to realize boxing is a business to, and fighters maximize their dollar when fighting, because it is a dangerous sport and you need to support your family. I think fighters of our generation learn from the older fighters of what not to do with your money, like what happened with Tyson and many other boxers. Not all but some.

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And that was so irresponsible from his team, they should have taken Charlo's power more seriously, taken a leaf out of Jackson's book, because he actually did really well in that fight. Eubank Jr, Saunders, Flanagan.

I agree, and I think it will. He's a realist, long term, that is good, I mean, David Haye, after (according to him) Tony Bellew had said, "I wouldn't have beaten the old David Haye, but I'll beat you", and Haye said, "well what if this David Haye is better than the old David Haye?", that was when I knew Haye was really deluded, I mean, I just thought, "you're in for a shock here mate", and look what happened, after 5 rounds, he was winning, but he wasn't dominating, and he was really gassing at that point, Bellew had taken his best punches, he went wild, lost control of himself, and wound up rupturing his achilles, Joshua is a more poised, controlled fighter, he knows, realistically, when and why he can and can't win. So do I, it looks good, both at their best, one of the biggest fights in British boxing in decades, few would come close, bigger than Froch vs Groves, and that was a massive deal over here. Yes, and that's just it, it is very well liking the idea of the fight just as we would both like to drive a Mercedes, but when actually thinking expectantly about a fight between Joshua and Fury, the facts are, not only has he not got a fight lined up, he isn't licenced, he isn't fighting for his licence, not 2 weeks ago, he said, "it's (boxing) not for me", he is not in shape, he is not training consistently. If Fury, now, gets back to the gym, makes the steps towards getting his licence back, has his licence before the end of the year, fights in April, fights in September, looks good, stays consistent, then I wouldn't be against seeing him against Joshua in 2019, but I would not pick him to win, I'm 99% sure he can never be the same fighter he could have been, never the same as the Tyson Fury we saw against Klitschko, and that is assuming he does what I just said, which I'm 90% sure he won't, and let's fast forward 12 months, we are talking about the same thing, a year onwards, he would be 32, that isn't always old for fighters who can come of age, have those last couple of prime years, or almost, especially for a heavyweight, but for someone who has abused their body with substances, that is very old, so we can add age catching up with him into the equation. I don't think Joshua really wants the Fury fight, he knows he would just be beating the heck out of an unstable man, why would he want to do that?, no he wants Wilder, eventually, but for now, to stay active, fight twice a year, against good opponents, I think Joshua's got 15 fights left, that is more than it sounds at this level if you think about it.

Next year, I mean, if they come to a deal, Joshua feels ready, or is prepared to take a massive risk, if it doesn't happen next year, I'm not sure it will happen at all, because Wilder should retire I think in 2019. I think Joshua is just trying to prepare himself for a fight of that magnitude, and also wants people to understand that it is great to support him, but Wilder is not a bum, he is a threat, a very dangerous opponent. In all realism, "Wilder is a bum, windmill Wilder everyone nos,,,,,,,, LOL Wilder has no resoomae, lmoa,,,,, knocks owt bums, scared to fight AJ smh", that isn't doing Joshua any favours either, Joshua doesn't want to be given credit for a victory he hasn't secured yet, he doesn't want to be the opponent of a guy getting no credit, he wants to be in a superfight, which people understand is dangerous, I don't think he'd mind being the underdog, and I don't think he wants everybody to predict him to win. That's a good point, Paulie Malignaggi's first piece of advice to Gervonta Davis, when the interview asked him to give him some long term pointers, was "pay your taxes".

Burnett vs Zhakiyanov who you got?