Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch

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Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch
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3
Average: 3 (4 votes)

Date: 
Saturday, December 17, 2011
Location: 
Atlantic City, NJ
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
168
Titles at Stake: 
WBC/WBA Super Middleweight Championship
Referee: 
Steve Smoger

Official Judging
John Keane 118 - 110
Craig Metcalfe 115 - 113
John Stewart 115 - 113

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After two years and ten fights, the Super Six World Boxing Classic concludes with a unification bout between undefeated WBA Super Middleweight Champion Andre Ward and WBC Champion Carl Froch. On the stage of the finals in Atlantic City, Ward takes Froch to school, beating the Englishman to the punch in round after round. Froch attempts to stage a late rally, but Ward turns back his assault and coasts to a unanimous decision win to take the tournament trophy and the title of best super middleweight in the world.




Averaged Fan Card:

round 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Andre Ward
                                                                    
10
9.88
9.94
10
9.35
9.94
10
10
9.58
9.94
9.29
9.29
Carl Froch
                                                                    
9.11
9.11
9.11
9
9.64
9.05
9
9
9.41
9.11
9.70
9.70


Fan Cards: Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch


scorecard by KMSCR83
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
8
9
10
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12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
111


scorecard by GOLD
Round
1
2
3
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9
10
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12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
111


scorecard by OASIS-OF-REASON
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
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9
10
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Total
ANDRE WARD
10
9
10
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
115
CARL FROCH
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
116


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
111


scorecard by JDTOMP29
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
119
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
109


scorecard by BOXING KNOWLEDGE
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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7
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9
10
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12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
118
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
110


scorecard by COREY WILLINGER
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
120
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
108


scorecard by TALESFROMTHECRYPT
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117
CARL FROCH
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
111


scorecard by MIKE25
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
10
9
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
10
9
9
10
111


scorecard by CHRISTIANTHEPEARSON
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
10
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
10
9
10
9
111


scorecard by ARJ GUY
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
111


scorecard by ALARGAR
Round
1
2
3
4
5
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8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
9
10
10
9
10
10
9
9
9
9
114
CARL FROCH
9
9
10
9
9
10
9
9
10
10
10
10
114


scorecard by DANNYL12345
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
118
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
110


scorecard by SUPERWOLLY123
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
111


scorecard by PINOYPRODIGY
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
10
9
10
118
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
9
10
9
110


scorecard by MALDEN
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
118
CARL FROCH
10
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
9
10
111


scorecard by NICK_FOXX
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
ANDRE WARD
10
10
10
10
9
10
10
10
9
10
9
10
117
CARL FROCH
9
9
9
9
10
9
9
9
10
9
10
9
111


Comments

Champion97's picture

Master class performance from Andre Ward!
115-113, one two of the scorecards, Froch did come on strong in rounds 9-12, making a case for 3 of those 4 rounds, had Ward not won 7 or 8 of the first 8 rounds as he did, and the fight had been closer, he may have been robbed.

rorschach's picture

Froch's one true loss, he simply doesn't have the skill or the crushing power necessary to possibly beat Ward. But then again who does, Kovalev came the closest, but even he didn't have enough of what is needed to dethrone Ward.

rorschach's picture

Will officially score this fight after I finish watching Froch crush Groves in their rematch, but if I remember right I had Andre winning 9 rounds to 3 when I watched it live.

Winner: Carl Froch 116-115

Very close fight and there were some close rounds. I could see scores ranging from 116-112 Froch, to 116-113 Ward. I don't see the one sided fight for Ward that people make it out to be. I thought Froch edged it but really it was a very close call and Ward winning the two 115-113 cards I completely understand, but he in no way dominated Froch. With that being said, Ward fought an extremely dirty fight. A minute of every round was a Greco-Roman wrestling contest. He repeatedly hit way below the belt line, especially in the second half of the fight. The headbutts weren't as bad as he has done in the past but he still constantly uses it as a weapon. Extremely dirty fight. If the referee would have done his job, a point or two would have been taken and you could have seen a different fight all together.

Champion97's picture

Haha.

Champion97's picture

People have opinions, but there are limits, I mean, 113-116/116-112, not valid, but more importantly, Carl Froch did not beat Andre Ward!! Froch admitted he lost wide to Ward.

Champion97's picture

You're from Nottingham?, because if this is some British bias, hometown thing then fair enough.

I'm not, and I don't really care what Froch admitted. When I scored the fight on the night, I had 116-112 for Ward. When I just watched again, (An hour ago) I didn't see the one sided fight. So I watched half of the rounds again, the ones I wasn't 100% sold on. I turned the sound down, and went slow mo, rewind and pause, to make sure I'm seeing whats hitting for sure. Did this for about 45 minutes on those 6 rounds. Sure enough I had it a really close fight. It's fine if you don't buy it, but a rewatch might change your mind.

Champion97's picture

There's having an opinion, and then there's being stupid.

Yeah I wouldn't go there, I saw it recently, and scored it correctly, 9-3, I've seen it twice, 'a rewatch might change your mind', oh sure man, haha, rewatch Mayweather vs Alvarez, you might just have Alvarez winning, rewatch Alvarez vs Chavez Jr, you might just have Chavez Jr winning, don't be silly. You will look back on this ridiculous fight assessment, and you will laugh.

Honestly, if someone scores three rounds even it's a safe bet they are trying to fish for a certain score. Round 1 Ward pretty clearly wins by landing more and better punches (you scored it even). Rounds 2, 3 and 10 Ward lands far more meaningful and numerous shots, not even remotely close rounds (you scored 2 for Froch with 3 and 10 even). If you think Ward is a dirty fighter and a wrestler you must really hate guys like Roberto Duran. If you don't like the refereeing, don't hate the player, hate the game. Clearly, you are biased towards Froch but he was decisively beaten in this fight. He landed far fewer punches in total and punches of consequence. Despite this, losing versus Ward isn't some great shame to Froch's career. He was a great champion and despite how full of himself he is you can tell he knows he lost this based on the way he talks about the fight and Ward in general.

I never said I hated Ward. I think he is overrated and very dirty. If I was in his shoes though, people let me get away with it and that would mean more success, I would do the same. My problem was with the ref for allowing it. If the ref did his job and took points, the 115-113 cards could have been 114-113 or a 113-113 draw. If he stopped doing it, due to the ref taking points and possibly disqualifying him, maybe Froch even wins an extra round, which would have meant a win on the cards. I understand that you believe the refs were idiots, and believe me I hate on the refs as much as anyone, but that IS what would have happened regardless.

Now as I said, the final score I came up with was after watching the 6 rounds or so in slow mo and pausing/rewinding. Before I did that, the draw rounds I had for Ward. Assuming watching it that way takes away from the feel of what is actually happening, I can go back to the score I would have had, which is 115-113 Ward. Maybe that is a truer score to what I saw than the win for Froch, but I wanted to post the other one because I was hoping it would get a reaction haha. So maybe I don't quite think he won, but my main point is that it was actually pretty close. Now I know the other guy wants to call me "stupid", and maybe I haven't seen as many fights as you guys but I have seen many. I was introduced to the sport during the 2000 olympics and fell in love but I didn't have cable so I rarely got to watch until 2004 when I became a hardcore fan and have watched everything since then and a lot of older fights as well. So I would really appreciate not having an argument about who knows boxing more or a completely unverifiable argument about who is more intelligent. Like I said before, two of the three judges had the same 115-113 score and they are not by any means perfect but they know plenty enough. Also at least one judge gave Froch eight out of the ten rounds. The fact that honest and knowledgeable observers, which I honestly believe you are, find it so hard to see that this was a competitive fight is mind boggling.
If you like I can actually go round by round and tell you exactly how I came to these scores. I think that would be fun, so just let me know.

P.s.
I actually like Duran, much to your shock. He is actually a favorite of mine. I think he was plenty good without the dirty play. With that being said, his fight with Buchanan is a great example of a ref playing a major role in a fight. I think Duran would have won regardless, but who knows exactly how the fight would have turned out if it wasn't for the referee allowing all of that. Maybe it would have been a lot closer and maybe people would still remember him for what he was, an all time great lightweight.

I didn't say you hated Ward either :) Just that you are biased toward Froch. Ward has the best resume of this era north of 147 excluding Wlad, and only has one close fight you can argue he lost (vs. Kovalev I which he rematched) so I don't really see how he can be overrated. I didn't have a problem with the refereeing either, if Froch didn't like something that Ward was doing and he saw it to be illegal, he should have done it back to Ward. In terms of potential point deductions on the supposed fouls with already too close cards, like Tyson Fury said "If my granny had a pair of bollocks she'd be my granddad. If I could swim under the sea like a dolphin I could shag a whale."

I'm just looking for a reason why you can score the specific rounds I highlighted that way when Ward outlands him and lands better shots even if you play it upside down, slowmo and underwater. I'm not arguing that you DKSAB, but that you have a bad scorecard. Compubox isn't close to perfect but it's hard to argue that someone who lands far less punches (and less meaningful ones) but throws far more should be getting a decision. If you want to go round by round you can sure knock yourself out but it doesn't really matter to me as Ward got his rightful decision by the judges even if I think the cards are too close. The argument that the three judges collectively scored 8 rounds for Froch doesn't really matter to me when you can apply that same argument to Alvarez vs. Mayweather for example and argue Alvarez should have won.

In addition, I used Duran as an example not just because he boxed "dirty" like versus Buchanan as you pointed out, but because of his infighting prowess he displayed throughout his career which you referred to as greco-roman wrestling when Ward infought vs. Froch.

Champion97's picture

This fool isn't worth any more of your time, idiots will be idiots, if they enjoy themselves, then I guess that's fine, they can't force us to be idiots just as we can't force them not to be. This clown won't learn a thing from me or you, so I'd just leave it, talk to him of you want, but look at the Smith vs Canelo, Canelo vs Trout pages, and you'll see me waste hours of my time trying to teach a moron that basics of boxing, you might be wise to not waste your time.

I don't know what the other guys problem is but I would honestly like you to walk me through what you seen as well if you would. I just want to know what exactly I am missing for me to be sooo far from what everyone else seen in this fight. I'm definitely a Froch fan so I give you that, but I'm a much bigger Erik Morales fan and maybe that's why I thought he nudged the first fight with Barrera even though most thought the other way, but I had it extremely close still and I didn't just completely swing the scoring to his favor. Most fight's I agree with the masses, but some I just don't see what others do.

I will start with what I seen in the first round and you can tell me where I am not getting it.

At 2:37 on the clock, Ward MAY have landed a jab, but it is very unclear with the camera angle. At 2:33 Froch lands a right but its near the hip, doesn't get scored. Simultaneously Ward PROBABLY landed a body shot but it MAY have landed on Froch's arm, again bad angle. At 2:27 Ward MAY have grazed with a left hook to the chin but it looks to have missed. At 2:09 Ward lands a jab to the left pec of Froch. At 1:56 Ward grazes the left rib of Froch with a jab. At 1:50 Froch MAY have hit a jab on the left side of the forehead of Ward. Ward was moving his head and if it did land it wasn't solid. At 1:47 they both land a jab. Frochs lands on the left side of Wards chin. Wards lands on the left cheek area of Froch and made full solid contact. At 1:30 Ward MAY have landed a jab to the left ribs of Froch, but it looked like it missed and even if it hit something it could have been the shoulder or arm. At 1:21 Ward lands a very light jab to the midsection. At 1:19 Froch lands a jab to the left pectoral of Ward. It was close to the shoulder area but clearly hit the pec when you slow it down. At 1:14 Ward lands a clean jab on the chin of Froch. At 1:04 Froch lands a clean jab on the left cheek bone of Ward. At 1:00 Froch grazes Wards left arm with a jab. Doesn't count. At 0:56 Ward lands a low blow right on the groin. If you think that is fair, that is on you, but you don't score it. At 0:54 he threw another body shot with the right across Froch's midsection but it looks like it clearly missed. At 0:37 Ward came close on a jab but Froch tucked his chin and backstepped away from it. At 0:35 Froch hits a jab onto Wards left shoulder are which doesn't count and then grazes a right across the left ribs of Ward. He then throws a right over the top, Ward smothers it and it only grazes the ear area and ends up connecting on an elbow. You do not score the elbow. :)
At 0:34 Ward lands a week left hook behind the head. Doesn't count. At 0:29 Froch lands a clean jab on Wards nose. At 0:25 Froch lands a jab to the left ribs of Ward. Followed by Ward landing a jab to the left jaw of Froch. At 0:23 Froch MAY have grazed the left eyebrow of Ward with a jab. Followed by Ward definitely grazing the left jawline of Froch with his jab. At 0:17 Ward MAY have landed a right hand on the right side of the back of Froch's head. You can't tell if it hits or he rolled it but regardless it wouldn't count because it was the back of the head. At 0:13 Froch grazes a jab off the right side of Wards head just above the temple. I wouldn't count it. At 0:05 Froch lands a jab on the left pec area under the arm of Ward. Ward followed with two hooks. The second one missed, and the first looks to have missed but it MAY have grazed across the face. I don't think it did.
So I tally it up like so:

Froch: Hard=0 Clean=2 Soft=4 Grazed=1 Maybe=4 Total= 7
Ward: Hard=0 Clean=3 Soft=2 Grazed=2 Maybe=5 Total= 7

As you can see, I seen them each land 7 punches, none of which were hard aside from the one low blow Ward landed which doesn't score. If you count the ones that weren't clear it would be 12 and 11 which would still be very close. Compubox had Froch only landing the ones that were clear and gave Ward EVERY benefit of the doubt and counted 12. If you watch this round carefully I think you would agree with me on which punches landed or at the very least had them each landing about the same number of punches with nearly the same amount of them being effective. So if you still think Ward won the round that is fine but you said previously, "Round 1 Ward pretty clearly wins by landing more and better punches (you scored it even)." So I would like to know where exactly I am missing all of those "more and better punches". I don't know why this being a close round is "stupid", "bad scoring", and me being an "idiot". If I am wrong here that's fine, but I WOULD like to be corrected so I can not make those mistakes in the future.

I used the sky sports broadcast on .75 speed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMff4caMNeY) because it was the highest definition I could quickly find. I don't know why the clocks are different. 2:47-ish (clock doesn't show yet) Froch throws and has a close miss with a jab, 2:37 both are just pawing around, I wouldn't call either of them thrown punches. 2:29 Ward lands a nice body shot, Froch throws a big left hand but Ward ducks under it and clinches. Froch slaps around in the clinch but I wouldn't count them as actual thrown punches. 2:19 Ward hits Froch with a decent punch on the break but Froch got away from it for the most part. 2:01 Ward lands a jab to the chest of Froch, and again at 1:57. 1:55 Froch throws a jab and misses. 1:52 Froch throws a power shot and misses because Ward ducks under it and "wrestles" him. Froch throws a jab at 1:47 that Ward avoids while Ward lands a small body jab. 1:43 Froch throws a jab and Ward ducks under it again. 1:39 Froch throws another jab which misses while Ward fires the jab and lands on Froch's chin. 1:32 Froch throws a jab which doesn't appear to land but it's a bad camera angle. 1:26 Froch throws a left which misses entirely, then follows up with a jab at 1:24 which lands but is replied to by Ward who lands his own jab. At 1:19 Froch throws a jab which hits Wards guard then throws a wild right hand that Ward ducks under. 1:15 Froch throws a jab and misses, Ward throws his own jab to the body and lands. At 1:12 both throw punches which may have landed but it's a bad camera angle. At 1:08 Ward throws a little pawing jab which misses. At 1:06 they both throw jabs, Ward ducks under Froch's again and Ward lands his on the chin/neck area. At 1:03 they both throw little pawing jabs which land but have no real effect. 0:59 Ward throws a jab and misses, 0:58 Froch throws a little jab and misses. 0:55 they both throw jabs which seem to land. 0:53 Froch tries to jab the body but has a close miss. Froch throws another jab at 0:51 which misses, Ward lunges in and appears to land to the body, Froch throws a wild right hand and misses on the break. 0:44 Ward throws a body jab but Froch blocks it with his gloves. 0:38 Froch throws a jab which Ward appears to get out of the way of but its a bad camera angle, Ward throws and misses, then Froch throws and misses as well. 0:36 Ward throws a jab and misses. 0:30 Froch throws a jab which appears to be a close miss but may have touched Ward. 0:28 Ward jabs the body of Froch. 0:28 Froch lunges in and throws three punches which appear to miss and a little forearm to the edge of Ward's head. Ward throws his own two punch combination which misses. 0:23 Froch throws a lead hook which misses entirely, and follows it up with a jab which misses. 0:17 Froch jabs the body, Ward responds, Froch doubles up on his jab but both miss, and Ward connects on a jab. 0:10 Froch throws a jab which misses, Ward also throws a jab which misses. :07 Froch throws a jab and a two lead hooks which all miss. With a few seconds left Froch throws a little double jab which misses, Ward throws two power punches, one lands, Froch throws his own but seems to cuff the neck of Ward.

I had:

Froch jab: 3
Froch jab miss: 15
Froch jab %: 16.6%
Froch power punch: 1
Froch power punch miss: 9
Froch power punch %: 11.1%
Ward jab: 11
Ward jab miss: 6
Ward jab %: 65%
Ward power punch: 3
Ward power punch miss: 3
Ward power punch %: 50%

Couldn't tell Ward: 2
Couldn't tell Froch: 4

Compubox had:

Froch jab: 7
Froch jab miss: 21
Froch jab %: 25%
Froch power punch: 1
Froch power punch miss: 12
Froch power punch %: 8%
Ward jab: 12
Ward jab miss: 12
Ward jab %: 50%
Ward power punch: 2
Ward power punch miss: 5
Ward power punch %: 25%

I have absolutely no idea what you are watching basically. I didn't see anything regarding Ward fighting dirty, supposedly throwing elbows and low blows. Watching it again only reaffirms what I already knew, Ward landed more and better punches. There's a good reason even the most passionate Ward hater doesn't talk about this fight as if it's controversial: Because there's no actual argument for it being controversial.

Champion97's picture

OK, without being rude, I thought you were taking the Mickey, because to say Froch won this fight is so completely ridiculous, that you have to question why someone would be silly enough to score a fight that way. Ok, 2 things I'll say are this, you admit you are wrong?, that's fine, you had Morales beating Barrera in their first fight?, so did I, nothing wrong with that.

I will not invest my time in going through every single round with you, but what I will do, is give you a rough breakdown of the fight. Ward won 7-8 of the first 8 rounds, why?, because in 7 of the first 8, he landed more, he landed better, he controlled the pace, he beat Froch at his own game to establish Froch's inability to get the better of Ward the way he gets the better of most of his opponents, and Froch could never hurt Ward.

Right, I'd put money on it being the case, that through lack of perception, mental fatigue, whatever the reason, maybe a circumstance, rather than a genuine weakness in your ability to judge, to give you a fair shake here, you thought shots from Froch were landing when they weren't, you saw Froch throw, maybe touch the target whilst Ward moves in the same direction, and make the error of thinking it is impact, when really, it is Ward moving with the shot, taking the force off it, there are times as well, when you miss clean shots from Ward, you don't perceive the control Ward takes of the fight, you don't appreciate the skill of Ward, landing with authority, accuracy, and landing enough as well. Ward does fight dirty, but what's wrong with that?, within reason, we are not talking about a guy who smacks people in the balls, behind the head, does a Mike Tyson and disfigures his opponents with his teeth, but to use mildly illegal tactics, get away with it, to make the fight work for you overall, is smart, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Miguel Cotto, many of these fighters were good at fighting dirty, knowing how to get away with it, knowing how to make it benefit them, if Ward deserves punishment, at any point, not saying he does, that is on the referee, not Ward.

Ok, piece of advice, and take this from someone who was in your shoes 4 years ago, you do NOT count punches, ok, you don't do that, because you'll drive yourself crazy, that is no way to learn. Forget compubox, everyone who knows boxing knows that is BS.

Froch had a case to win 3 of the last 4 rounds, and I gave him the last 2, but nothing decisive. I think Ward seemed to tire after 10 rounds, Froch was a tough opponent, he did work the body quite well, rarely enough to win rounds early in the fight, but those shots still take something out of the fighter. Froch was very tough, jab, body work, it was good, he pressed on, landed some good body shots, caught Ward with good shots upstairs as well, made a case for himself in rounds 5, 9, 11, and 12, to be honest, I think 11-1, 10-2, 9-3 are the fairest scores, harsh on Froch not to give him a round, harsh on Ward to have it 8-4.

I agree going punch by punch is a total waste of time. Usually, from what I've seen, people break out the punch by punch argument to justify some crazy opinion (ex. the punch by punch Mayweather vs. Pacquiao videos to make it look like a decisive win for Pacquiao). I think compubox has more use than you are giving it credit for though. It's going to be off and will basically never score rounds 100% correct, but it can highlight overall trends in activity and effectiveness over a fight or over someone's career.

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I like infighting in general, just certain types of "infighting" I see a problem with. Take Wards fights with Kovalev as an example. The second fight there were excessive low blows, but I'm not so sure he wouldn't have won that fight without them. I also didn't see him "wrestling" in that one so props to him. I see it as a good win.

Their first fight though, in my opinion the wrestling was ridiculous and warrant points being taken or disqualified. I understand I am in the minority but it was terrible. At one point he actually shot in on a doubleleg takedown. It wasn't an accident, he knew how to do a double leg and he went for it haha. I guess that's just me but whatever. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuShrjyKBVk Go ahead and look for all the low blows in there (there aren't any actual ones, only a small number of borderline ones). The fact is Kovalev is a crybaby and wanted the referee to win the fight for him isn't Ward's fault. He should have taken charge of the matter like your favorite fighter Morales did when Pacquiao low blowed him and he didn't get a call. Ward was going to win regardless when he blasted Kovalev in the 8th with a big right after investing to the body. Kovalev was clearly looking for a way out when he was bending over.

The first fight Ward wasn't able to implement his gameplan in the beginning and he started to rough Kovalev up. It's dirty but it's smart, he did what he had to do to get back into the fight. Fighters can't rely on referees to win the fight for them, if they do, then they shouldn't be surprised when they lose.

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Do you realise that you lost any credibility when you introduced yourself as the village idiot?, your just wasting your time, we're not taking this crap seriously, it is basic, fundamental knowledge that Ward schooled Froch, just accept the truth, you are more than entitled to play these silly little games of you like and pretend he won, but don't try to have an adult conversation with us and try to convince us there is any validity in what you are saying, because your scoring absolutely stinks.